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Posted By: Larry Miller Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 05:01 AM
During this time of pause, Stony Brook Soccer Club has been working on many exciting initiatives in anticipation of re-opening our club.

We are excited to announce the following:
Stony Brook SC merges with Atletico FC for all age groups 2009 – 2002

Stony Brook SC phased approach to resuming activities

Stony Brook SC announces 2020 – 2021 Intramural season registration fee of $20
SBSC merges with Atletico FC for all age groups 2009 – 2002

Stony Brook Soccer Club and Atletico FC have successfully negotiated a merger of the Boys and Girls teams for all age groups 2009 – 2002 to be effectuated Fall 2020. This will allow the club to compete at the highest level possible across every age-group and gender. We are extremely excited about this merger and look forward to getting back out onto the fields.

Following the guidelines of US Soccer and New York State, Stony Brook Soccer Club may be able to start training our players as soon as July 13, 2020. In anticipation of re-opening, we have opened our registration system for players to enroll for the upcoming 2020-2021 season.

Please register at www.Stonybrooksoccer.com.

SBSC announces 2020 – 2021 Intramural season registration fee of $20

Stony Brook Soccer Club has decided to reduce its intramural fee to $20 for the 2020 – 2021 season in efforts to give back to the community and provide our children a place to play the game they love.
Posted By: Anonymous Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 05:39 AM
So is Mark going to train Kurt or Kurt going to train Mark? Lol

Or more likely is this Kurt’s exit strategy??
Posted By: Anonymous Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 12:01 PM
Didn’t this happen last year we played stoneybrook athletico
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t this happen last year we played stoneybrook athletico


All Boys and Girls teams 2002-2009 will be rebranded Stony Brook Atletico SC. So it’s a full on merger in those age groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Didn’t this happen last year we played stoneybrook athletico


All Boys and Girls teams 2002-2009 will be rebranded Stony Brook Atletico SC. So it’s a full on merger in those age groups.

Could be a good option.What are the fees??
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 01:36 PM
Very good training for the younger ages !
It's cheap compared to other non town teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 02:32 PM
What does that leave THE SURF? Thought they were lock for getting ECNL (that what their management told us)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 03:12 PM
The SUrf ? You mean Surf ?
That club is still around ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 03:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SUrf ? You mean Surf ?
That club is still around ?

Price way to high for a club in same league as everyone else.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 06:06 PM
Is this the same as SB Athletico?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is this the same as SB Athletico?

No. Not even close.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 06:24 PM
#NEWBS
It's a different lunatic yelling on the sidelines in spanish loudly/obnoxiously
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 06:26 PM
What do you mean “not even close”
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 06:29 PM
Thanks- I thought the SB was Stony Brook.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 06:29 PM
Just say yes Larry. It they do not know at this point after the years or people asking this stupid question just say nothing or yes.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do you mean “not even close”

The poster asked if this merger or Surf, (it was not a clear question), was the same as SB Atletico, and I responded it was not even close, and SB Atletico isn't. Obviously the poster doesn't understand the landscape or the names of teams. What is SB Atletico anyway, just another for profit moneymaker for someone taking advantage of clueless parents.

during this down time parents would take a step back and study the market instead of following the clowns who just want to get out there like it's 2019!!

Too many parents, teams, and clubs just got dumped on by NYCSL and now play for a league headquartered in Brooklyn. The CJSL record with girls soccer is abysmal. They only let girls in a few years ago.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do you mean “not even close”

The poster asked if this merger or Surf, (it was not a clear question), was the same as SB Atletico, and I responded it was not even close, and SB Atletico isn't. Obviously the poster doesn't understand the landscape or the names of teams. What is SB Atletico anyway, just another for profit moneymaker for someone taking advantage of clueless parents.

during this down time parents would take a step back and study the market instead of following the clowns who just want to get out there like it's 2019!!

Too many parents, teams, and clubs just got dumped on by NYCSL and now play for a league headquartered in Brooklyn. The CJSL record with girls soccer is abysmal. They only let girls in a few years ago.

Thank you for clearing it up- I was confused because there is also an SB Smithtown Athletico as well and I wasn't sure if that still existed in light of this SB and Atletico news.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 07:33 PM
My daughters 2010 team played sb athletico last fall and it was Stoney brook athletico
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughters 2010 team played sb athletico last fall and it was Stoney brook athletico

Ok. Add you to the clueless list (Check)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 06/30/20 11:35 PM
Why am I clueless ???? Someone said sb athletico wasn’t part of Stoney brook until now
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/01/20 12:31 AM
And the merry go round that is youth soccer keeps spinning along. But good luck to those guys, hoping egos don't clash and ruin things along the way.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/01/20 12:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why am I clueless ???? Someone said sb athletico wasn’t part of Stoney brook until now

The following clubs were all separate entities.

Smithtown Kickers
Atletico FC (KK Athletics)
Stony Brook (Three Village Soccer)
SB Athletico AKA SB Smithtown Athletico

That last club is where all the confusion comes from. Not only do they have Smithtown and Athletico in their names, making confusing them with the Smithtown Kickers and Atletico FC easy, but they also inconsistently call themselves different names, sometimes SB Athletico and sometimes SB Smithtown Athletico. Someone seeing SB Athletico would easily confuse that with the Stony Brook Atletico partnership.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/01/20 01:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughters 2010 team played sb athletico last fall and it was Stoney brook athletico

They were still separate teams 1 from KK, 1 from Stony Brook. Now they are merging all the top players together in each age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/01/20 01:31 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why am I clueless ???? Someone said sb athletico wasn’t part of Stoney brook until now

The following clubs were all separate entities.

Smithtown Kickers
Atletico FC (KK Athletics)
Stony Brook (Three Village Soccer)
SB Athletico AKA SB Smithtown Athletico

That last club is where all the confusion comes from. Not only do they have Smithtown and Athletico in their names, making confusing them with the Smithtown Kickers and Atletico FC easy, but they also inconsistently call themselves different names, sometimes SB Athletico and sometimes SB Smithtown Athletico. Someone seeing SB Athletico would easily confuse that with the Stony Brook Atletico partnership.

What idiot names a club after 3 other clubs??
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/01/20 01:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why am I clueless ???? Someone said sb athletico wasn’t part of Stoney brook until now

The following clubs were all separate entities.

Smithtown Kickers
Atletico FC (KK Athletics)
Stony Brook (Three Village Soccer)
SB Athletico AKA SB Smithtown Athletico

That last club is where all the confusion comes from. Not only do they have Smithtown and Athletico in their names, making confusing them with the Smithtown Kickers and Atletico FC easy, but they also inconsistently call themselves different names, sometimes SB Athletico and sometimes SB Smithtown Athletico. Someone seeing SB Athletico would easily confuse that with the Stony Brook Atletico partnership.

What idiot names a club after 3 other clubs??

An idiot looking to confuse the market and capitalize off of others. IOW, a dick.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/01/20 01:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why am I clueless ???? Someone said sb athletico wasn’t part of Stoney brook until now

The following clubs were all separate entities.

Smithtown Kickers
Atletico FC (KK Athletics)
Stony Brook (Three Village Soccer)
SB Athletico AKA SB Smithtown Athletico

That last club is where all the confusion comes from. Not only do they have Smithtown and Athletico in their names, making confusing them with the Smithtown Kickers and Atletico FC easy, but they also inconsistently call themselves different names, sometimes SB Athletico and sometimes SB Smithtown Athletico. Someone seeing SB Athletico would easily confuse that with the Stony Brook Atletico partnership.

What idiot names a club after 3 other clubs??

The story behind SB Smithtown Athletico is that there was a guy from VOB (Village of the Branch) who wasn't getting his way there and after first looking to drag a few teams to another club, ended up forming his own club instead. And with the new club being in the general area between Stony Brook and Smithtown he named the club SB Smithtown and added the Athletico for some unknown reason. If you ask me it was to take advantage of the name confusion to make it easier to get kids to show up to tryouts but that is only a guess.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/01/20 01:58 AM
how does a non profit acquire a for profit athletico? Does this just mean kurt becomes DOC for the new entity to get some cash for his teams? He should have sold the teams to SUSA like Ronnie did
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/01/20 01:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
how does a non profit acquire a for profit athletico? Does this just mean kurt becomes DOC for the new entity to get some cash for his teams? He should have sold the teams to SUSA like Ronnie did


Are you for real? Nothing was acquired here, it is a partnership and one that worked very well for the last year. Kurt would never sell out his teams to SUSA! Not going to happen!

I suggest that you go back to sleep.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/02/20 04:17 PM
Here comes CJ to the rescue. Wake up. Kurt has no teams worth selling. This isn't 2016 anymore.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/02/20 04:32 PM
She was just stating the fact. One of the only upstanding places around Long Island.
Customer service sucks and disorganized but still good training.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/02/20 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
how does a non profit acquire a for profit athletico? Does this just mean kurt becomes DOC for the new entity to get some cash for his teams? He should have sold the teams to SUSA like Ronnie did


Are you for real? Nothing was acquired here, it is a partnership and one that worked very well for the last year. Kurt would never sell out his teams to SUSA! Not going to happen!

I suggest that you go back to sleep.
LOL they are talking in their sleep. They need to wake the f**k up and learn to fact check before posting!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/02/20 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here comes CJ to the rescue. Wake up. Kurt has no teams worth selling. This isn't 2016 anymore.
If speaking facts is "rescuing" then I am with CJ. She has firsthand knowledge. The rest of the silly commentary is from uneducated people with nothing better to do
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/02/20 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here comes CJ to the rescue. Wake up. Kurt has no teams worth selling. This isn't 2016 anymore.
If speaking facts is "rescuing" then I am with CJ. She has firsthand knowledge. The rest of the silly commentary is from uneducated people with nothing better to do

CJ has been a blessing to Kurt. He should have had her on board even before DK left. But lets be real, Glenn has tried on many occasions to buy Kurt. He is one of the only ones to not give into the shady SUSA ways. Kudos to him!
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/02/20 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here comes CJ to the rescue. Wake up. Kurt has no teams worth selling. This isn't 2016 anymore.

Do you want to know some facts? I will give them to you, and my facts are exactly that, FACTS!

First of all, yes Kurt has had to rebuild because the SUSA group tried their very best to destroy him. Dan talked teams into going with him AND Moussa offers all of the Atletico players free registration and anything else to get them away from KK. KK is doing just fine, thank you. No need to worry about him!

Really nice to do this to the guy (Kurt Kelley) that sponsored both Moussa and Bouba to stay in this country and work with him. Gave Moussa a car so that he could get around and treated him like a brother. Did the same for Bouba and the nasty, narcissistic Dan K. None of them is worth a hair on Kurt's ass as a person OR a trainer. KK is an honorable person and doesn't talk about anyone including bragging about himself. Believe me, I have tried to get him to write a bio and he won't.

They continue to hate him because they will never be worth a quarter of what Kurt is and they know it.

As for organization, it is true, Kurt can be unorganized but guess what folks, I am not and as long as I am there, everyone will get their answers and have been. We have worked very hard to put it all back together after Dan K. destroyed as much as he could before he left.

We really don't care what morons like you think and feel free to come in here and talk smack but the facts are the facts and when Glen has had enough, Moussa will be right back where he started. You can only lie for so long. KK is not a liar and would NEVER sell out to the likes of SUSA!
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/02/20 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here comes CJ to the rescue. Wake up. Kurt has no teams worth selling. This isn't 2016 anymore.
If speaking facts is "rescuing" then I am with CJ. She has firsthand knowledge. The rest of the silly commentary is from uneducated people with nothing better to do

CJ has been a blessing to Kurt. He should have had her on board even before DK left. But lets be real, Glenn has tried on many occasions to buy Kurt. He is one of the only ones to not give into the shady SUSA ways. Kudos to him!

Thank you, that is very kind. Kurt is easy to work with and I am happy to be there. He will NEVER give in and sell out. NEVER!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/02/20 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughters 2010 team played sb athletico last fall and it was Stoney brook athletico

They were still separate teams 1 from KK, 1 from Stony Brook. Now they are merging all the top players together in each age group.
That's not completely accurate.

At the 09/10 levels they had SB teams, and KK teams. But kids from both orgs went back and forth there was even an SB Athletico team which was a mixture of SB/Athletico kids. It created a [****] show. Many of us saw this coming when it was announced over a year ago that this was gonna be the path forward.

It pitted kids against one another by dangling the 'elite' KK teams in front of kids when their only purpose in some cases was just to fill out rosters that KK couldn't do on their own. Taking young kids who are better served learning about team building and character than to be yelled at in a thick south American accent about how they're disappointing the coach because they're not perfect at 9/10/11 yrs old.

The merging with KK does not provide much benefit but to the kids who want to play at the highest levels. It takes a town club with near 40 years of history being an integral part of the community, and turns it into just another academy concerned only with winning and chest thumping about how many kids they can send to colleges and their Got Soccer rankings, at the expense of building character in young kids and perpetuating the weeding out process before kids ever hit puberty and have a chance to develop for talent identification. It also creates monsters of parents who have kids who are early developers in the way they handle their kids and then ostracize those who might not have developed at the same pace.

It ruined the organizational culture of putting the kids first, that SB had when I first came over here. Now it's just another money making arrangement. Sad to say I'm disappointed. Ask yourselves if you're a part of either group, and reading this, what is the organizational culture, and does that match what you want for your kids? If you're getting some of the KK trainers...would you ever allow anyone speak to your child in that manner?

Due to how it was handled last year, despite my kid getting tons of playing time and development, they are not happy with the culture that was create and might walk away. Thanks Mark. You had a good thing going.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/03/20 01:34 AM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here comes CJ to the rescue. Wake up. Kurt has no teams worth selling. This isn't 2016 anymore.

Do you want to know some facts? I will give them to you, and my facts are exactly that, FACTS!

First of all, yes Kurt has had to rebuild because the SUSA group tried their very best to destroy him. Dan talked teams into going with him AND Moussa offers all of the Atletico players free registration and anything else to get them away from KK. KK is doing just fine, thank you. No need to worry about him!

Really nice to do this to the guy (Kurt Kelley) that sponsored both Moussa and Bouba to stay in this country and work with him. Gave Moussa a car so that he could get around and treated him like a brother. Did the same for Bouba and the nasty, narcissistic Dan K. None of them is worth a hair on Kurt's ass as a person OR a trainer. KK is an honorable person and doesn't talk about anyone including bragging about himself. Believe me, I have tried to get him to write a bio and he won't.

They continue to hate him because they will never be worth a quarter of what Kurt is and they know it.

As for organization, it is true, Kurt can be unorganized but guess what folks, I am not and as long as I am there, everyone will get their answers and have been. We have worked very hard to put it all back together after Dan K. destroyed as much as he could before he left.

We really don't care what morons like you think and feel free to come in here and talk smack but the facts are the facts and when Glen has had enough, Moussa will be right back where he started. You can only lie for so long. KK is not a liar and would NEVER sell out to the likes of SUSA!

Preach! This is awesome and all true!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/03/20 02:17 AM
That 2010 coach was nuts screaming like a nut on sb athletico lol the kids weren’t sure what he was saying lol but he was screaming
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/03/20 01:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My daughters 2010 team played sb athletico last fall and it was Stoney brook athletico

They were still separate teams 1 from KK, 1 from Stony Brook. Now they are merging all the top players together in each age group.
That's not completely accurate.

At the 09/10 levels they had SB teams, and KK teams. But kids from both orgs went back and forth there was even an SB Athletico team which was a mixture of SB/Athletico kids. It created a [****] show. Many of us saw this coming when it was announced over a year ago that this was gonna be the path forward.

It pitted kids against one another by dangling the 'elite' KK teams in front of kids when their only purpose in some cases was just to fill out rosters that KK couldn't do on their own. Taking young kids who are better served learning about team building and character than to be yelled at in a thick south American accent about how they're disappointing the coach because they're not perfect at 9/10/11 yrs old.

The merging with KK does not provide much benefit but to the kids who want to play at the highest levels. It takes a town club with near 40 years of history being an integral part of the community, and turns it into just another academy concerned only with winning and chest thumping about how many kids they can send to colleges and their Got Soccer rankings, at the expense of building character in young kids and perpetuating the weeding out process before kids ever hit puberty and have a chance to develop for talent identification. It also creates monsters of parents who have kids who are early developers in the way they handle their kids and then ostracize those who might not have developed at the same pace.

It ruined the organizational culture of putting the kids first, that SB had when I first came over here. Now it's just another money making arrangement. Sad to say I'm disappointed. Ask yourselves if you're a part of either group, and reading this, what is the organizational culture, and does that match what you want for your kids? If you're getting some of the KK trainers...would you ever allow anyone speak to your child in that manner?

Due to how it was handled last year, despite my kid getting tons of playing time and development, they are not happy with the culture that was create and might walk away. Thanks Mark. You had a good thing going.

Community clubs are being eaten alive by the ‘for profits’ and combining resources with other groups to survive especially in Suffolk with SUSA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/03/20 01:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That 2010 coach was nuts screaming like a nut on sb athletico lol the kids weren’t sure what he was saying lol but he was screaming

I believe I saw that coach too. Our SB team actually played against an Athletico team and the parents and coach were just aholes. I would never, ever allow my kid to play for that coach, I don't care if that coach can get my kid a scholly or not, the lasting mental damage from being treated like that is not worth it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/05/20 07:08 PM
Why blame Mark? The club has a board that thinks the club should be more then a community club. He can only.do what they allow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/05/20 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why blame Mark? The club has a board that thinks the club should be more then a community club. He can only.do what they allow.
Because the board isn't filled with people who are supposed to be authorities and experts in long term athletic development.

Most people who join a board are the Uber competitive folks who will chase anything that brings with it prestige and the ability to compete with other adults using kids.

The DOC guides the culture and ethos of the organization. At least they should.

Whether mark sought this out or is along for the ride it's up to him to push what's best for the athletes not what is best for the adult egos.

The way this has always been pitched is providing more opportunities to play higher level soccer. Period full stop.

The top 10-15% of athletes, that's ok. Those opportunities exist for those kids and they will find them and the ability to play post graduation will be there for them. But by making that your ethos and your guiding principle you are ignoring 85%+ of the needs of the kids in your program.

The result is that training and opportunities to grow and advance for that 85% are put aside for that 15%. And that 85% sole purpose is to fund the program for those 15%. So the orgs lie about their objectives and try to keep families funneling money and promising opportunities that don't exist to them.

Don't claim to be a town program and integral to the community when all you care about is winning and got soccer rankings. Just be honest. Be transparent. The amount of salesmanship and half truths we parents have been told is frustrating. This is not the program we originally came to. It's heading in a self destructive direction. It will not end well. As is after it started they've lost entire teams to rival clubs due to the nature of things. It will not stop there.

Due to this on my kids team there's at least 2 kids quitting because of the culture and several more considering rival programs due to the this. It's just the beginning. It's going to backfire epicly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/05/20 09:16 PM
Mark good guy and trainer but can only do so much in a town club. That’s why top players leave to private clubs like kk athletics and SUSA. Certain parents can’t handle real coaching and pushing of the kids to excel and that’s why SB can’t beat those teams!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/05/20 10:11 PM
Agree with just about everything you said but the board is in place to protect the club and communities interest. This board just cares about their kids. They put out things like cheap intramurals to make it look like they care.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/05/20 11:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mark good guy and trainer but can only do so much in a town club. That’s why top players leave to private clubs like kk athletics and SUSA. Certain parents can’t handle real coaching and pushing of the kids to excel and that’s why SB can’t beat those teams!
Mark is a good guy. I like him.

If top players leave let them and wish them all the best. They represent the minority. Not the majority. The middle of a bell curve exists for a reason. You can serve and have a greater effect on the world of sports and community at large by serving the middle 50% of the bell curve than the top of it.

That middle of the bell curve that's where your coaches and trainers and future parents who keep their kids in sports when they grow up live. Not the top nor the bottom. These kids who they cut and don't give a crap about typically have siblings and cousins and friends in the area. You think after they get tossed aside by age 12 that they're gonna recommend this program?

The DOCs job is also to build sustainability for an org by creating a proper environment that encourages more kids to stick with it. If your retention starts to fall you're failing. Again a year ago SB lost an entire team of boys to Smithtown due to unhappiness.

Look my kid's done personal training with mark. He's good my kid learned a lot. I like him personally but there are bigger picture things he's missing. I've tried explaining it to him but got blown off. I've been in the youth sports game for over 20 years with and without my kids. I've seen it all go wrong. Mark my words. The kk sb merger is going to decimate Stony Brook. The winner here is Kurt. The losers are the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/06/20 12:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mark good guy and trainer but can only do so much in a town club. That’s why top players leave to private clubs like kk athletics and SUSA. Certain parents can’t handle real coaching and pushing of the kids to excel and that’s why SB can’t beat those teams!
Mark is a good guy. I like him.

If top players leave let them and wish them all the best. They represent the minority. Not the majority. The middle of a bell curve exists for a reason. You can serve and have a greater effect on the world of sports and community at large by serving the middle 50% of the bell curve than the top of it.

That middle of the bell curve that's where your coaches and trainers and future parents who keep their kids in sports when they grow up live. Not the top nor the bottom. These kids who they cut and don't give a crap about typically have siblings and cousins and friends in the area. You think after they get tossed aside by age 12 that they're gonna recommend this program?

The DOCs job is also to build sustainability for an org by creating a proper environment that encourages more kids to stick with it. If your retention starts to fall you're failing. Again a year ago SB lost an entire team of boys to Smithtown due to unhappiness.

Look my kid's done personal training with mark. He's good my kid learned a lot. I like him personally but there are bigger picture things he's missing. I've tried explaining it to him but got blown off. I've been in the youth sports game for over 20 years with and without my kids. I've seen it all go wrong. Mark my words. The kk sb merger is going to decimate Stony Brook. The winner here is Kurt. The losers are the kids.

You say a group of kids went to Smithtown? A club who have just merged with 4 other organizations so they can create higher level teams like KK and SB.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/06/20 12:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mark good guy and trainer but can only do so much in a town club. That’s why top players leave to private clubs like kk athletics and SUSA. Certain parents can’t handle real coaching and pushing of the kids to excel and that’s why SB can’t beat those teams!
Mark is a good guy. I like him.

If top players leave let them and wish them all the best. They represent the minority. Not the majority. The middle of a bell curve exists for a reason. You can serve and have a greater effect on the world of sports and community at large by serving the middle 50% of the bell curve than the top of it.

That middle of the bell curve that's where your coaches and trainers and future parents who keep their kids in sports when they grow up live. Not the top nor the bottom. These kids who they cut and don't give a crap about typically have siblings and cousins and friends in the area. You think after they get tossed aside by age 12 that they're gonna recommend this program?

The DOCs job is also to build sustainability for an org by creating a proper environment that encourages more kids to stick with it. If your retention starts to fall you're failing. Again a year ago SB lost an entire team of boys to Smithtown due to unhappiness.

Look my kid's done personal training with mark. He's good my kid learned a lot. I like him personally but there are bigger picture things he's missing. I've tried explaining it to him but got blown off. I've been in the youth sports game for over 20 years with and without my kids. I've seen it all go wrong. Mark my words. The kk sb merger is going to decimate Stony Brook. The winner here is Kurt. The losers are the kids.

You say a group of kids went to Smithtown? A club who have just merged with 4 other organizations so they can create higher level teams like KK and SB.

Don’t forget all the affiliate clubs that SUSA have in Suffolk as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/06/20 01:26 AM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Here comes CJ to the rescue. Wake up. Kurt has no teams worth selling. This isn't 2016 anymore.

Do you want to know some facts? I will give them to you, and my facts are exactly that, FACTS!

First of all, yes Kurt has had to rebuild because the SUSA group tried their very best to destroy him. Dan talked teams into going with him AND Moussa offers all of the Atletico players free registration and anything else to get them away from KK. KK is doing just fine, thank you. No need to worry about him!

Really nice to do this to the guy (Kurt Kelley) that sponsored both Moussa and Bouba to stay in this country and work with him. Gave Moussa a car so that he could get around and treated him like a brother. Did the same for Bouba and the nasty, narcissistic Dan K. None of them is worth a hair on Kurt's ass as a person OR a trainer. KK is an honorable person and doesn't talk about anyone including bragging about himself. Believe me, I have tried to get him to write a bio and he won't.

They continue to hate him because they will never be worth a quarter of what Kurt is and they know it.

As for organization, it is true, Kurt can be unorganized but guess what folks, I am not and as long as I am there, everyone will get their answers and have been. We have worked very hard to put it all back together after Dan K. destroyed as much as he could before he left.

We really don't care what morons like you think and feel free to come in here and talk smack but the facts are the facts and when Glen has had enough, Moussa will be right back where he started. You can only lie for so long. KK is not a liar and would NEVER sell out to the likes of SUSA!

Wow, this takes "disgusting" to a whole new level. Seeing how Bouba and Moussa (and Glenn) run an organization is disgusting as it is....How they treated/treat Kurt brings it to a whole new level. They should be ashamed of themselves but they're probably not capable of that as greed has taken over. Hopefully SUSA parents can see what they and SUSA are really about, MONEY. As for Dan, parents and kids can't stand him but management doesn't care. They'll take any trainer they can get.

#SUSALOVESYOURMONEY
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/06/20 01:30 AM
et's be very clear. Parents dont care. They simply dont. They are only care about what they were told and will put up with more crap from a trainer than they would from a school teacher. The stupidity of parents over the years is comical. Comical to me because it never affect my kids. See, I can be selfish too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/06/20 02:11 AM
I find it comical that all of these kids leave Atletico for other “opportunities” but week after week where do these kids still find themselves for training ??? Atletico. Atletico gives the best training. No question
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/06/20 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find it comical that all of these kids leave Atletico for other “opportunities” but week after week where do these kids still find themselves for training ??? Atletico. Atletico gives the best training. No question

I see alot of top players getting trained by Kurt from different clubs also.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/06/20 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mark good guy and trainer but can only do so much in a town club. That’s why top players leave to private clubs like kk athletics and SUSA. Certain parents can’t handle real coaching and pushing of the kids to excel and that’s why SB can’t beat those teams!
Mark is a good guy. I like him.

If top players leave let them and wish them all the best. They represent the minority. Not the majority. The middle of a bell curve exists for a reason. You can serve and have a greater effect on the world of sports and community at large by serving the middle 50% of the bell curve than the top of it.

That middle of the bell curve that's where your coaches and trainers and future parents who keep their kids in sports when they grow up live. Not the top nor the bottom. These kids who they cut and don't give a crap about typically have siblings and cousins and friends in the area. You think after they get tossed aside by age 12 that they're gonna recommend this program?

The DOCs job is also to build sustainability for an org by creating a proper environment that encourages more kids to stick with it. If your retention starts to fall you're failing. Again a year ago SB lost an entire team of boys to Smithtown due to unhappiness.

Look my kid's done personal training with mark. He's good my kid learned a lot. I like him personally but there are bigger picture things he's missing. I've tried explaining it to him but got blown off. I've been in the youth sports game for over 20 years with and without my kids. I've seen it all go wrong. Mark my words. The kk sb merger is going to decimate Stony Brook. The winner here is Kurt. The losers are the kids.

You say a group of kids went to Smithtown? A club who have just merged with 4 other organizations so they can create higher level teams like KK and SB.

That's Smithtown's problem.

I know at my kid's age group, Smithtown has 3 teams. At my kid's age group with SB/KK they don't even have enough for 2 fully rostered teams if they keep everyone from the past season. Which they wont have.

How it's played by SB last year was 'oh we will have all the kids train together and the kids will have an opportunity to play on the higher level teams and they will get the same training'.

How it really works, the top team is the top team, the bottom team doesn't have enough kids to fill out the roster week to week for games, top kids are asked to help out for game days, they either say no or when they do show they play more than the lower level kids and then play around them ignoring they're on the field and don't associate with them other kids at all. The trainer is usually committed to both squads but if there's ever a conflict the second team either gets an associate trainer who knows nothing of the kids, or a parent coach to fill in who doesn't abide by playing time commitments or how the team is supposed to be playing, as well as plays favorites.

The 2nd team gets crapped on is what it is. They get a fraction of the resources, support and effort.

To Larry's point the parents are the problem because there's a vocal, nay, psycho set of parents who derive their sole enjoyment out of winning and competing against other adults using their kids who push this type of environment.

If Smithtown has 3 teams at my kid's age group my kid can find the right environment that works for them. My kid is not uber competitive, but my kid doesn't want to be playing kickball with the butterfly chasers either. My kid is happily middle of the road, and I'm happy my kid is right there. We are considering Smithtown. We will see what tryouts they have, when and if it works for us from a culture standpoint.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 07/12/20 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mark good guy and trainer but can only do so much in a town club. That’s why top players leave to private clubs like kk athletics and SUSA. Certain parents can’t handle real coaching and pushing of the kids to excel and that’s why SB can’t beat those teams!
Mark is a good guy. I like him.

If top players leave let them and wish them all the best. They represent the minority. Not the majority. The middle of a bell curve exists for a reason. You can serve and have a greater effect on the world of sports and community at large by serving the middle 50% of the bell curve than the top of it.

That middle of the bell curve that's where your coaches and trainers and future parents who keep their kids in sports when they grow up live. Not the top nor the bottom. These kids who they cut and don't give a crap about typically have siblings and cousins and friends in the area. You think after they get tossed aside by age 12 that they're gonna recommend this program?

The DOCs job is also to build sustainability for an org by creating a proper environment that encourages more kids to stick with it. If your retention starts to fall you're failing. Again a year ago SB lost an entire team of boys to Smithtown due to unhappiness.

Look my kid's done personal training with mark. He's good my kid learned a lot. I like him personally but there are bigger picture things he's missing. I've tried explaining it to him but got blown off. I've been in the youth sports game for over 20 years with and without my kids. I've seen it all go wrong. Mark my words. The kk sb merger is going to decimate Stony Brook. The winner here is Kurt. The losers are the kids.

You say a group of kids went to Smithtown? A club who have just merged with 4 other organizations so they can create higher level teams like KK and SB.

That's Smithtown's problem.

I know at my kid's age group, Smithtown has 3 teams. At my kid's age group with SB/KK they don't even have enough for 2 fully rostered teams if they keep everyone from the past season. Which they wont have.

How it's played by SB last year was 'oh we will have all the kids train together and the kids will have an opportunity to play on the higher level teams and they will get the same training'.

How it really works, the top team is the top team, the bottom team doesn't have enough kids to fill out the roster week to week for games, top kids are asked to help out for game days, they either say no or when they do show they play more than the lower level kids and then play around them ignoring they're on the field and don't associate with them other kids at all. The trainer is usually committed to both squads but if there's ever a conflict the second team either gets an associate trainer who knows nothing of the kids, or a parent coach to fill in who doesn't abide by playing time commitments or how the team is supposed to be playing, as well as plays favorites.

The 2nd team gets crapped on is what it is. They get a fraction of the resources, support and effort.

To Larry's point the parents are the problem because there's a vocal, nay, psycho set of parents who derive their sole enjoyment out of winning and competing against other adults using their kids who push this type of environment.

If Smithtown has 3 teams at my kid's age group my kid can find the right environment that works for them. My kid is not uber competitive, but my kid doesn't want to be playing kickball with the butterfly chasers either. My kid is happily middle of the road, and I'm happy my kid is right there. We are considering Smithtown. We will see what tryouts they have, when and if it works for us from a culture standpoint.


Now that the merger with KK is complete it should be interesting to see the turnout for tryouts this week.
New year same nonsense...if this was 5 years ago when KK Atletico were good and relevant it would mean something...Now...just another soccer merger headline for a week...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 08/17/20 03:01 PM
Originally Posted by Cross It 4 Fun
New year same nonsense...if this was 5 years ago when KK Atletico were good and relevant it would mean something...Now...just another soccer merger headline for a week...
My daughter has played with Stony Brook for the last 5-6 years and loved it. But after the merger last year with the 2006 girls team it was a complete failure. And now my daughter has left Stony Brook with 12 other Girls she has played with over the years at Stony Brook, we hired our own coach and started our own team. And she loves it !!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 08/17/20 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Cross It 4 Fun
New year same nonsense...if this was 5 years ago when KK Atletico were good and relevant it would mean something...Now...just another soccer merger headline for a week...
My daughter has played with Stony Brook for the last 5-6 years and loved it. But after the merger last year with the 2006 girls team it was a complete failure. And now my daughter has left Stony Brook with 12 other Girls she has played with over the years at Stony Brook, we hired our own coach and started our own team. And she loves it !!!

What's the name of the team and what club?
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 08/17/20 03:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Cross It 4 Fun
New year same nonsense...if this was 5 years ago when KK Atletico were good and relevant it would mean something...Now...just another soccer merger headline for a week...
My daughter has played with Stony Brook for the last 5-6 years and loved it. But after the merger last year with the 2006 girls team it was a complete failure. And now my daughter has left Stony Brook with 12 other Girls she has played with over the years at Stony Brook, we hired our own coach and started our own team. And she loves it !!!


Good luck!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 08/17/20 04:47 PM
The top 05 team isn't even in the top bracket of East Meadow #Joke
Oh have the mighty fallen
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 08/17/20 05:44 PM
Many strong coaches and trainers. Kurt and Mark are both top notch. Really care about development and the players in general. They build on the love of the game. This was a great merger. No egos. About soccer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 08/17/20 05:53 PM
Just saw EDP 2008 there’s Stoney brook athletico. And there’s Stoney brook sc athletico
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 08/18/20 10:08 AM
I would reconsider Smithtown if I was you. The teams in EDP get the best trainers. Everyone else gets garbage and they poach players all the time. More than half of some teams are poached from village of the branch Sachem or SB. Very political environment. Good luck
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 08/18/20 12:06 PM
If this was such a great merger why has so many girls left the 2006 age group after 1 year ? We had around 30 girls on the Stony Brook Atletico team and almost half have left. I agree Mark, Kurt & Mike are great coach's and it was a very hard decision to leave Stony Brook after being there for so many years. But a lot of he girls were not not happy with the academy style. I think the board of directors at Stony Brook need to start listening to the parents and the kids and maybe they will not see so many kids leaving.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 08/18/20 01:56 PM
There is no leadership at the club. Only a few board members trying to do everything. Most only care about their kids team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 08/29/20 12:47 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If this was such a great merger why has so many girls left the 2006 age group after 1 year ? We had around 30 girls on the Stony Brook Atletico team and almost half have left. I agree Mark, Kurt & Mike are great coach's and it was a very hard decision to leave Stony Brook after being there for so many years. But a lot of he girls were not not happy with the academy style. I think the board of directors at Stony Brook need to start listening to the parents and the kids and maybe they will not see so many kids leaving.
We are with you. We moved to Smithtown landed on the 2nd team at my kids age group with the prospect of moving up to the top team which looks actually possible. My kid has also already made more friends than on the SB team and my kid went to school with some of them.

A great program has lost its way. I grew up in the area and this program was a big part of the community. It's not anymore. It's just another way for egotistical folks to stroke their egos using their kids.

Everything changes when puberty hits so it will be fun to see those egomaniac kids be brought down to earth by the kids who they thought sucked but worked hard at it.

Stony Brook and kk are about talent identification not development.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/21/20 04:11 PM
Is there a turnover among coaches. Heard that girls u17 is no longer there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/21/20 05:25 PM
GARBAGE! Going to lose the more talented players by end of the year not working for these kids!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/21/20 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there a turnover among coaches. Heard that girls u17 is no longer there.

ALWAYS! Trainers follow the money
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/23/20 01:39 AM
SB and Athletico merger falling apart, Athletico kids will leave. SB board running things and just political stuff and favoritism towards their players. This WON’T end well...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/23/20 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB and Athletico merger falling apart, Athletico kids will leave. SB board running things and just political stuff and favoritism towards their players. This WON’T end well...

There is no leadership at the club. Only a few board members put in some time. The rest just there to make sure their kid is taken care of.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/23/20 02:11 PM
SUSA will get the kk kids as usual unfortunate Kurt doesn't seem to care anymore?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/23/20 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SUSA will get the kk kids as usual unfortunate Kurt doesn't seem to care anymore?

A merge between a Non Profit and a For Profit was never going to work. SB Board should never have approved this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/24/20 02:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SUSA will get the kk kids as usual unfortunate Kurt doesn't seem to care anymore?

A merge between a Non Profit and a For Profit was never going to work. SB Board should never have approved this.
Yup. At my kids a age group the were to have 27 kids and two teams. Ended up with 20 so they're scrambling each week to roster out each team. Think the sb trainer my kid had last year who was great with my kid is no longer there.


So glad we moved.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/24/20 11:27 AM
2008 girls team had to cancel the first EDP game no coach available?? What kind of crap is that
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/24/20 11:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2008 girls team had to cancel the first EDP game no coach available?? What kind of crap is that


The new risk management stuff is a disaster. It might be related to that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/25/20 11:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2008 girls team had to cancel the first EDP game no coach available?? What kind of crap is that
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2008 girls team had to cancel the first EDP game no coach available?? What kind of crap is that

Get your facts straight. Obviously you not part of the club or the opposing team or you would know the truth.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/25/20 02:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2008 girls team had to cancel the first EDP game no coach available?? What kind of crap is that
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2008 girls team had to cancel the first EDP game no coach available?? What kind of crap is that

Get your facts straight. Obviously you not part of the club or the opposing team or you would know the truth.

Ok, so what is the truth?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/25/20 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2008 girls team had to cancel the first EDP game no coach available?? What kind of crap is that
Originally Posted by Anonymous
2008 girls team had to cancel the first EDP game no coach available?? What kind of crap is that

Get your facts straight. Obviously you not part of the club or the opposing team or you would know the truth.

Ok, so what is the truth?

They played in a tournament that weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/25/20 05:24 PM
did they play in the long island soccer classic?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/26/20 12:35 AM
No here’s the facts they had a scheduled EDP game vs LISC and told us they couldn’t use Stoney Brook university when LISC told them to use Mitchell they had no coach available those are the facts and who plays in a tournament over your first leauge game ???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 09/26/20 12:37 AM
I am part of the opposing team, your club canceled the game not LISC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/01/20 02:18 AM
Athletico had some good years unfortunately went down hill.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/01/20 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Athletico had some good years unfortunately went down hill.

I'd still put their training up against anyone's.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/01/20 03:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Athletico had some good years unfortunately went down hill.
They still have very good training. They suffered when many talented players left for the Farca Fiasco, especially at the 04 age group. And look where the Barca 04 team is at. All the top players have jumped that sinking ship. Kurt is a top trainer and he isn't using someone else' brand, it's all his own. What you see is what you get.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/01/20 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If this was such a great merger why has so many girls left the 2006 age group after 1 year ? We had around 30 girls on the Stony Brook Atletico team and almost half have left. I agree Mark, Kurt & Mike are great coach's and it was a very hard decision to leave Stony Brook after being there for so many years. But a lot of he girls were not not happy with the academy style. I think the board of directors at Stony Brook need to start listening to the parents and the kids and maybe they will not see so many kids leaving.
We are with you. We moved to Smithtown landed on the 2nd team at my kids age group with the prospect of moving up to the top team which looks actually possible. My kid has also already made more friends than on the SB team and my kid went to school with some of them.

A great program has lost its way. I grew up in the area and this program was a big part of the community. It's not anymore. It's just another way for egotistical folks to stroke their egos using their kids.

Everything changes when puberty hits so it will be fun to see those egomaniac kids be brought down to earth by the kids who they thought sucked but worked hard at it.

Stony Brook and kk are about talent identification not development.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/03/20 01:18 PM
You couldn’t be more wrong. If anything, SB is about player development. They may not be so awesome in team management and showcasing because they worry too much about what parents think. KK has singularly THE BEST training on the island. That’s why, even when kids are lured away to other Clubs (like SUSA) they continue to train with Kurt. What i will say is that SB and KK , to their credit, are averse to poaching from other clubs. We have experienced this first hand when moving Our child from one club to SB and one to KK years ago. This was done professionally with transparency, full knowledge of the coaches, and then only when appropriate - after the season was finished This is not true of many other clubs including Smithtown, VOB, and SUSA Who regularly lure (virtually) full teams which have been developed by SB and KK away. .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/03/20 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You couldn’t be more wrong. If anything, SB is about player development. They may not be so awesome in team management and showcasing because they worry too much about what parents think. KK has singularly THE BEST training on the island. That’s why, even when kids are lured away to other Clubs (like SUSA) they continue to train with Kurt. What i will say is that SB and KK , to their credit, are averse to poaching from other clubs. We have experienced this first hand when moving Our child from one club to SB and one to KK years ago. This was done professionally with transparency, full knowledge of the coaches, and then only when appropriate - after the season was finished This is not true of many other clubs including Smithtown, VOB, and SUSA Who regularly lure (virtually) full teams which have been developed by SB and KK away. .

This is a ridiculous post. So is any one brand morally wrong for luring customers to change brands? Please.. it’s called a competitive marketplace. If the service at KK was so good, the customers lured away would be banging down the door to come back. They never did. If he really is the BEST training on the island then he shouldn’t try so hard to keep it a secret.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/03/20 05:36 PM
We are not talking brands. That said, there are many good reasons to change teams and clubs. When this occurs parents (Or soccer smart players) “shop” for another playing option that provides a better fit for the player. Thats fine and helpful. No argument. It is very different when a coach goes to the games of other Club teams, watches players and then approaches them with an offer after the game. Yes this happens. I’ve have personally seen it. Or when SUSA coaches go to varsity players and tell them to leave their club teams and join SUSA(with No the players/ parents did not reach out first. Unsolicited contact from coaches from another team used to be forbidden and, I believe, punishable by a fine to the club involved. Now is it common practice. And not just for a player but for whole intact teams. When you add the monetary incentives offered in the deal, we are at a whole different level in kids sports. And yes, I do think there is something unethical if not immoral in that. One last thought, although I am repeating myself, if KK’s training was less than what is offered at SUSA or Smithtown, why doe players who leave come back to train with Kurt privately?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/03/20 08:57 PM
In the grand scheme of things KK, Susa and other outfits are nothing but over priced bottom feeders on Long Island! Your just in the dark! Far better coaches on Long Island you just don’t know about, obviously!
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/03/20 09:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the grand scheme of things KK, Susa and other outfits are nothing but over priced bottom feeders on Long Island! Your just in the dark! Far better coaches on Long Island you just don’t know about, obviously!


Far better coaches? Well who might they be? Would you be one of them?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/04/20 03:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You couldn’t be more wrong. If anything, SB is about player development. They may not be so awesome in team management and showcasing because they worry too much about what parents think. KK has singularly THE BEST training on the island. That’s why, even when kids are lured away to other Clubs (like SUSA) they continue to train with Kurt. What i will say is that SB and KK , to their credit, are averse to poaching from other clubs. We have experienced this first hand when moving Our child from one club to SB and one to KK years ago. This was done professionally with transparency, full knowledge of the coaches, and then only when appropriate - after the season was finished This is not true of many other clubs including Smithtown, VOB, and SUSA Who regularly lure (virtually) full teams which have been developed by SB and KK away. .
I've been involved with Stony Brook for the last 8 years. Up until about 3 years ago they were about development. That has ceased.

I can assure you from my conversations with Mark about concerns that our parents had he does not care about what we wanted for our team and our kids. All he cared about was getting training fees and winning. We tried multiple times to get him to address the issues on our team and he routinely did what was in the best financial interests of the club not the development of the kids.

The team that my kid left still has the same issues. 3 years later. Nothing has changed but the trainer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/06/20 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You couldn’t be more wrong. If anything, SB is about player development. They may not be so awesome in team management and showcasing because they worry too much about what parents think. KK has singularly THE BEST training on the island. That’s why, even when kids are lured away to other Clubs (like SUSA) they continue to train with Kurt. What i will say is that SB and KK , to their credit, are averse to poaching from other clubs. We have experienced this first hand when moving Our child from one club to SB and one to KK years ago. This was done professionally with transparency, full knowledge of the coaches, and then only when appropriate - after the season was finished This is not true of many other clubs including Smithtown, VOB, and SUSA Who regularly lure (virtually) full teams which have been developed by SB and KK away. .
I've been involved with Stony Brook for the last 8 years. Up until about 3 years ago they were about development. That has ceased.

I can assure you from my conversations with Mark about concerns that our parents had he does not care about what we wanted for our team and our kids. All he cared about was getting training fees and winning. We tried multiple times to get him to address the issues on our team and he routinely did what was in the best financial interests of the club not the development of the kids.

The team that my kid left still has the same issues. 3 years later. Nothing has changed but the trainer.

Just another parent that is crying because their kid doesn't do well. Take the kid to practice, have them work with a ball at home. Just ridiculous. WaaaWaaaWaaa
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/06/20 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You couldn’t be more wrong. If anything, SB is about player development. They may not be so awesome in team management and showcasing because they worry too much about what parents think. KK has singularly THE BEST training on the island. That’s why, even when kids are lured away to other Clubs (like SUSA) they continue to train with Kurt. What i will say is that SB and KK , to their credit, are averse to poaching from other clubs. We have experienced this first hand when moving Our child from one club to SB and one to KK years ago. This was done professionally with transparency, full knowledge of the coaches, and then only when appropriate - after the season was finished This is not true of many other clubs including Smithtown, VOB, and SUSA Who regularly lure (virtually) full teams which have been developed by SB and KK away. .
I've been involved with Stony Brook for the last 8 years. Up until about 3 years ago they were about development. That has ceased.

I can assure you from my conversations with Mark about concerns that our parents had he does not care about what we wanted for our team and our kids. All he cared about was getting training fees and winning. We tried multiple times to get him to address the issues on our team and he routinely did what was in the best financial interests of the club not the development of the kids.

The team that my kid left still has the same issues. 3 years later. Nothing has changed but the trainer.

Just another parent that is crying because their kid doesn't do well. Take the kid to practice, have them work with a ball at home. Just ridiculous. WaaaWaaaWaaa

And just how would you know that his kid wasn't doing well. Are you fricken Karnac? One could also interpret this post as SB was doing a s**t job, SB did not care about the parents concerns were so the guy took his kid elsewhere. Don't be a DB without knowing any facts about a particular situation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/06/20 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You couldn’t be more wrong. If anything, SB is about player development. They may not be so awesome in team management and showcasing because they worry too much about what parents think. KK has singularly THE BEST training on the island. That’s why, even when kids are lured away to other Clubs (like SUSA) they continue to train with Kurt. What i will say is that SB and KK , to their credit, are averse to poaching from other clubs. We have experienced this first hand when moving Our child from one club to SB and one to KK years ago. This was done professionally with transparency, full knowledge of the coaches, and then only when appropriate - after the season was finished This is not true of many other clubs including Smithtown, VOB, and SUSA Who regularly lure (virtually) full teams which have been developed by SB and KK away. .
I've been involved with Stony Brook for the last 8 years. Up until about 3 years ago they were about development. That has ceased.

I can assure you from my conversations with Mark about concerns that our parents had he does not care about what we wanted for our team and our kids. All he cared about was getting training fees and winning. We tried multiple times to get him to address the issues on our team and he routinely did what was in the best financial interests of the club not the development of the kids.

The team that my kid left still has the same issues. 3 years later. Nothing has changed but the trainer.

Just another parent that is crying because their kid doesn't do well. Take the kid to practice, have them work with a ball at home. Just ridiculous. WaaaWaaaWaaa

And just how would you know that his kid wasn't doing well. Are you fricken Karnac? One could also interpret this post as SB was doing a s**t job, SB did not care about the parents concerns were so the guy took his kid elsewhere. Don't be a DB without knowing any facts about a particular situation.

Or you could say it’s one of those parents who thinks it’s all about them?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/07/20 04:52 PM
Nash paid for by SB and those parents and board control him.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/07/20 07:20 PM
Absolutely true. He has to take care of the board members or he loses his job.There is no leadership on this board. When my eldest played the board members were all over the fields on the weekends. Last year was it for us, youngest stopped playing, and I couldn't tell you if any board members were on the fields except for PJ who took care of the field set up and TH who handled the food stand.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/07/20 11:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Absolutely true. He has to take care of the board members or he loses his job.There is no leadership on this board. When my eldest played the board members were all over the fields on the weekends. Last year was it for us, youngest stopped playing, and I couldn't tell you if any board members were on the fields except for PJ who took care of the field set up and TH who handled the food stand.




Lose his job ?? If that hasn’t happened by now it’s not happening !!!
Guy can do no wrong. The board is afraid to lose him. They don’t think they can find anyone better. I can throw a rock and hit someone better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/11/20 10:42 PM
It’s really time for a change!!! He does wrong everyday!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/12/20 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Absolutely true. He has to take care of the board members or he loses his job.There is no leadership on this board. When my eldest played the board members were all over the fields on the weekends. Last year was it for us, youngest stopped playing, and I couldn't tell you if any board members were on the fields except for PJ who took care of the field set up and TH who handled the food stand.

Bring back Mitch Pally as President. He will fix things.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/13/20 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You couldn’t be more wrong. If anything, SB is about player development. They may not be so awesome in team management and showcasing because they worry too much about what parents think. KK has singularly THE BEST training on the island. That’s why, even when kids are lured away to other Clubs (like SUSA) they continue to train with Kurt. What i will say is that SB and KK , to their credit, are averse to poaching from other clubs. We have experienced this first hand when moving Our child from one club to SB and one to KK years ago. This was done professionally with transparency, full knowledge of the coaches, and then only when appropriate - after the season was finished This is not true of many other clubs including Smithtown, VOB, and SUSA Who regularly lure (virtually) full teams which have been developed by SB and KK away. .
I've been involved with Stony Brook for the last 8 years. Up until about 3 years ago they were about development. That has ceased.

I can assure you from my conversations with Mark about concerns that our parents had he does not care about what we wanted for our team and our kids. All he cared about was getting training fees and winning. We tried multiple times to get him to address the issues on our team and he routinely did what was in the best financial interests of the club not the development of the kids.

The team that my kid left still has the same issues. 3 years later. Nothing has changed but the trainer.

Just another parent that is crying because their kid doesn't do well. Take the kid to practice, have them work with a ball at home. Just ridiculous. WaaaWaaaWaaa

And just how would you know that his kid wasn't doing well. Are you fricken Karnac? One could also interpret this post as SB was doing a s**t job, SB did not care about the parents concerns were so the guy took his kid elsewhere. Don't be a DB without knowing any facts about a particular situation.

Or you could say it’s one of those parents who thinks it’s all about them?

As the parent with the kid in question let me just say that the team my kid was on was ranked in the top 20 in the NYE for got soccer rankings and last year was playing about 75-80% of the minutes. I'd say my kid who had a break through year was doing just fine.

As for me the parent. I've coached youth sports for over 20 years. I can count on one hand the number of times I've spoken to my kid's coaches about playing time and still have 5 fingers left. None of this is about me. It's about the kids, not just my kid, the kids. All of them.

Have no fear though, the grapevine I'm a part of has told me that sentiment of the Stony brook parents and board is that the merger is not well received and they're looking to end it. This is only a rumor. But it comes from a grapevine about a parent whose kid was looking for a release and someone at the top told them to hang tight. It might have been [****] to keep a kid longer it might be real. But this kid ended up leaving anyway because in the words of my source 'the KK trainer was so demeaning that their kid came home crying every day'. That's par for the course with the KK trainers I've seen. Central and south american soccer coaching isn't gonna do well in lily-white stony brook.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/13/20 03:46 PM
Athletico/KK had it's day few years back, their time has passesd.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/13/20 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Athletico/KK had it's day few years back, their time has passesd.


Kurt had some success training kids. A few went on as we know to much higher ranks. But he was never able to see a single team through to the end. They always broke up and the talent disbursed. He was never able to take talent and merge it together to be a good team with long term success. His recent 03 team is a perfect example of that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/13/20 05:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Athletico/KK had it's day few years back, their time has passesd.


Kurt had some success training kids. A few went on as we know to much higher ranks. But he was never able to see a single team through to the end. They always broke up and the talent disbursed. He was never able to take talent and merge it together to be a good team with long term success. His recent 03 team is a perfect example of that.

There is probably no team today that goes from start to finish anymore. Sometimes it's good for the kid to make a change if they are stagnating at a club. And you know parents today, so fickle and the grass is always greener on the other side. Kurt, and every other club for that matter can do all they can to keep kids but sometimes it just isn't going to happen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/13/20 06:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Athletico/KK had it's day few years back, their time has passesd.


Kurt had some success training kids. A few went on as we know to much higher ranks. But he was never able to see a single team through to the end. They always broke up and the talent disbursed. He was never able to take talent and merge it together to be a good team with long term success. His recent 03 team is a perfect example of that.

There is probably no team today that goes from start to finish anymore. Sometimes it's good for the kid to make a change if they are stagnating at a club. And you know parents today, so fickle and the grass is always greener on the other side. Kurt, and every other club for that matter can do all they can to keep kids but sometimes it just isn't going to happen.

Everyone is losing kids to top level programs. Most clubs trying to stop bleeding by offering higher level teams by merging with other clubs. Why is Smithtown merging with Sachem, EI, HBC and SB Athletico Smithtown to create Slammers? Atletico/KK with Stony Brook? Gold Coast in Nassau is a mix of 3 clubs, SouthShore in Suffolk. Town soccer is dying along with small organizations and clubs as there are enough players left to go round.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/22/20 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Athletico/KK had it's day few years back, their time has passesd.


Kurt had some success training kids. A few went on as we know to much higher ranks. But he was never able to see a single team through to the end. They always broke up and the talent disbursed. He was never able to take talent and merge it together to be a good team with long term success. His recent 03 team is a perfect example of that.

There is probably no team today that goes from start to finish anymore. Sometimes it's good for the kid to make a change if they are stagnating at a club. And you know parents today, so fickle and the grass is always greener on the other side. Kurt, and every other club for that matter can do all they can to keep kids but sometimes it just isn't going to happen.

Everyone is losing kids to top level programs. Most clubs trying to stop bleeding by offering higher level teams by merging with other clubs. Why is Smithtown merging with Sachem, EI, HBC and SB Athletico Smithtown to create Slammers? Atletico/KK with Stony Brook? Gold Coast in Nassau is a mix of 3 clubs, SouthShore in Suffolk. Town soccer is dying along with small organizations and clubs as there are enough players left to go round.


The solution is really really simple, and no one wants to do it because it takes time, it takes effort and doesn't get you the prestige and GotSoccer points.

The answer is...create sustainable environments of talent development over talent selection where the objective of the org, from u4 intramurals on up is player retention instead of rankings, wins, tournaments, etc.

So few of these kids are ever going to lace up their boots for a collegiate program much less get a scholarship or make it to the National development programs that chasing that stuff, while it's what the parents think they want, that it is self defeating.

We start telling kids at 8 years old that they'll never be good enough, when they are still figuring out 1) if they like this game and 2) how to play this game, and we wonder why 70+% are now dropping youth sports by age 14. We have trainers(not pointing specific fingers) who yell and scream at 8 year olds that they're doing it wrong...when developmentally they don't know how to do it! We have parents who, and this is a known case to me of a kid who was on my kid's team, who think their kid is the best, they're not even the best on their own team, but that kid at u9 was playing intramural, travel, and had a personal trainer at the house 2x a week. Kid was playing 7 days a week for a year. At u9.

Build teams. Build organizational CULTURE around those teams. That's how you build something bigger than yourselves. That becomes sustainable. That's what brings people flocking to your program because the word of mouth about how you treat the kids and how you develop the kids will bring them to you. You might not win many championships or send many kids to college, but what you will do is this...create a sustainable stream of kids coming through your program, leaving with good memories and experiences and life lessons, and you know what those kids do? They go off to college, get married, move back, have kids and put their kids into the program that gave them so much.

The SUSAs, KKs of the world...now the Slammers, etc. What's their culture?

I put my kids in Stony Brook because of the culture I remember as a kid. I know a dozen or more people who came through SB as kids, who have their kids in it because it used to be a good culture. It's not anymore. The poison predates the merger with KK, but KK being added to the mix was like dumping arsenic in the waters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/22/20 04:51 PM
SB/KK MERGER A DISASTER. TOWN CLUB AND ACADEMY PHOLOSOPHY VERY DIFFERENT. SHOULD END IT.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/22/20 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Athletico/KK had it's day few years back, their time has passesd.


Kurt had some success training kids. A few went on as we know to much higher ranks. But he was never able to see a single team through to the end. They always broke up and the talent disbursed. He was never able to take talent and merge it together to be a good team with long term success. His recent 03 team is a perfect example of that.

There is probably no team today that goes from start to finish anymore. Sometimes it's good for the kid to make a change if they are stagnating at a club. And you know parents today, so fickle and the grass is always greener on the other side. Kurt, and every other club for that matter can do all they can to keep kids but sometimes it just isn't going to happen.

Everyone is losing kids to top level programs. Most clubs trying to stop bleeding by offering higher level teams by merging with other clubs. Why is Smithtown merging with Sachem, EI, HBC and SB Athletico Smithtown to create Slammers? Atletico/KK with Stony Brook? Gold Coast in Nassau is a mix of 3 clubs, SouthShore in Suffolk. Town soccer is dying along with small organizations and clubs as there are enough players left to go round.


The solution is really really simple, and no one wants to do it because it takes time, it takes effort and doesn't get you the prestige and GotSoccer points.

The answer is...create sustainable environments of talent development over talent selection where the objective of the org, from u4 intramurals on up is player retention instead of rankings, wins, tournaments, etc.

So few of these kids are ever going to lace up their boots for a collegiate program much less get a scholarship or make it to the National development programs that chasing that stuff, while it's what the parents think they want, that it is self defeating.

We start telling kids at 8 years old that they'll never be good enough, when they are still figuring out 1) if they like this game and 2) how to play this game, and we wonder why 70+% are now dropping youth sports by age 14. We have trainers(not pointing specific fingers) who yell and scream at 8 year olds that they're doing it wrong...when developmentally they don't know how to do it! We have parents who, and this is a known case to me of a kid who was on my kid's team, who think their kid is the best, they're not even the best on their own team, but that kid at u9 was playing intramural, travel, and had a personal trainer at the house 2x a week. Kid was playing 7 days a week for a year. At u9.

Build teams. Build organizational CULTURE around those teams. That's how you build something bigger than yourselves. That becomes sustainable. That's what brings people flocking to your program because the word of mouth about how you treat the kids and how you develop the kids will bring them to you. You might not win many championships or send many kids to college, but what you will do is this...create a sustainable stream of kids coming through your program, leaving with good memories and experiences and life lessons, and you know what those kids do? They go off to college, get married, move back, have kids and put their kids into the program that gave them so much.

The SUSAs, KKs of the world...now the Slammers, etc. What's their culture?

I put my kids in Stony Brook because of the culture I remember as a kid. I know a dozen or more people who came through SB as kids, who have their kids in it because it used to be a good culture. It's not anymore. The poison predates the merger with KK, but KK being added to the mix was like dumping arsenic in the waters.


Very well said and another parent who gets it. I sure things would change but with the amount of money involved and too many adults who don’t care about the kids.
I don’t see that happening. Especially when you add parents and coaches who measure success by just wins.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/22/20 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Athletico/KK had it's day few years back, their time has passesd.


Kurt had some success training kids. A few went on as we know to much higher ranks. But he was never able to see a single team through to the end. They always broke up and the talent disbursed. He was never able to take talent and merge it together to be a good team with long term success. His recent 03 team is a perfect example of that.

There is probably no team today that goes from start to finish anymore. Sometimes it's good for the kid to make a change if they are stagnating at a club. And you know parents today, so fickle and the grass is always greener on the other side. Kurt, and every other club for that matter can do all they can to keep kids but sometimes it just isn't going to happen.

Everyone is losing kids to top level programs. Most clubs trying to stop bleeding by offering higher level teams by merging with other clubs. Why is Smithtown merging with Sachem, EI, HBC and SB Athletico Smithtown to create Slammers? Atletico/KK with Stony Brook? Gold Coast in Nassau is a mix of 3 clubs, SouthShore in Suffolk. Town soccer is dying along with small organizations and clubs as there are enough players left to go round.


The solution is really really simple, and no one wants to do it because it takes time, it takes effort and doesn't get you the prestige and GotSoccer points.

The answer is...create sustainable environments of talent development over talent selection where the objective of the org, from u4 intramurals on up is player retention instead of rankings, wins, tournaments, etc.

So few of these kids are ever going to lace up their boots for a collegiate program much less get a scholarship or make it to the National development programs that chasing that stuff, while it's what the parents think they want, that it is self defeating.

We start telling kids at 8 years old that they'll never be good enough, when they are still figuring out 1) if they like this game and 2) how to play this game, and we wonder why 70+% are now dropping youth sports by age 14. We have trainers(not pointing specific fingers) who yell and scream at 8 year olds that they're doing it wrong...when developmentally they don't know how to do it! We have parents who, and this is a known case to me of a kid who was on my kid's team, who think their kid is the best, they're not even the best on their own team, but that kid at u9 was playing intramural, travel, and had a personal trainer at the house 2x a week. Kid was playing 7 days a week for a year. At u9.

Build teams. Build organizational CULTURE around those teams. That's how you build something bigger than yourselves. That becomes sustainable. That's what brings people flocking to your program because the word of mouth about how you treat the kids and how you develop the kids will bring them to you. You might not win many championships or send many kids to college, but what you will do is this...create a sustainable stream of kids coming through your program, leaving with good memories and experiences and life lessons, and you know what those kids do? They go off to college, get married, move back, have kids and put their kids into the program that gave them so much.

The SUSAs, KKs of the world...now the Slammers, etc. What's their culture?

I put my kids in Stony Brook because of the culture I remember as a kid. I know a dozen or more people who came through SB as kids, who have their kids in it because it used to be a good culture. It's not anymore. The poison predates the merger with KK, but KK being added to the mix was like dumping arsenic in the waters.

No one wants to be apart of a culture that doesn’t include winning, no one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/22/20 09:20 PM
I keep reading here about the need for clubs to be less competitive and more nurturing, to focus on development over results. That’s the world of participative trophies and it stinks. The kid who worked countless hours outside of team practice every day to develop his skills gets the same reward as the kid who didn’t touch a ball outside of team practice and instead vegged in front of a PlayStation all week. It sounds a lot like the difference between a socialist and a capitalist. I couldn’t disagree more with the pitch that a sports club shouldn’t be as competitive as it can be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/23/20 02:54 AM
[quote=Anonymous

No one wants to be apart of a culture that doesn’t include winning, no one.[/quote]

Norway doesn't play competitive sports where winning and losing matters until 14. They kick the [****] out of us except for the women's game.

You don't want to be associated with not winning because you're and adult competing with other adults using kids.

Here's a hint. Kids are polled. Winning doesn't even make the top 5 of what kids give a [****] about in sports.

Care to amend your reply? Because these are facts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/23/20 10:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

No one wants to be apart of a culture that doesn’t include winning, no one.

Norway doesn't play competitive sports where winning and losing matters until 14. They kick the [****
out of us except for the women's game.

You don't want to be associated with not winning because you're and adult competing with other adults using kids.

Here's a hint. Kids are polled. Winning doesn't even make the top 5 of what kids give a [****] about in sports.

Care to amend your reply? Because these are facts.

Winners win and losers.... that’s life and this is America lol.

But seriously I doubt those are facts that Norway has a national policy not to keep scores in youth soccer irregardless what I said stands true no one wants to be apart of a losing culture
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/23/20 10:56 AM
Norway is no model child of soccer success in recent history. They are ranked below the lowly US men’s program and don’t have a stellar record in World Cup tournament play so I don’t get the point.

The problem with the men’s program is that the best athletes our country has to offer are playing other sports. In US soccer culture, there is a direct relationship between higher levels of play and cost. The end result is you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken feathers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/23/20 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Norway is no model child of soccer success in recent history. They are ranked below the lowly US men’s program and don’t have a stellar record in World Cup tournament play so I don’t get the point.

The problem with the men’s program is that the best athletes our country has to offer are playing other sports. In US soccer culture, there is a direct relationship between higher levels of play and cost. The end result is you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken feathers.


Bingo, but this is quite a funny comparison to begin with. Norway has a population of about 5 million people. Tend to think they wouldn't have the same success as a country with 325 million people. Also, look at the current state of American players abroad. Decisions made 20 years ago are just beginning to show slow results with a few players playing abroad in the top leagues. Keep growing the domestic leagues, the grassroot programs and have kids be able to have players to look upto and the game will grow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/26/20 01:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Athletico/KK had it's day few years back, their time has passesd.


Kurt had some success training kids. A few went on as we know to much higher ranks. But he was never able to see a single team through to the end. They always broke up and the talent disbursed. He was never able to take talent and merge it together to be a good team with long term success. His recent 03 team is a perfect example of that.

There is probably no team today that goes from start to finish anymore. Sometimes it's good for the kid to make a change if they are stagnating at a club. And you know parents today, so fickle and the grass is always greener on the other side. Kurt, and every other club for that matter can do all they can to keep kids but sometimes it just isn't going to happen.

Everyone is losing kids to top level programs. Most clubs trying to stop bleeding by offering higher level teams by merging with other clubs. Why is Smithtown merging with Sachem, EI, HBC and SB Athletico Smithtown to create Slammers? Atletico/KK with Stony Brook? Gold Coast in Nassau is a mix of 3 clubs, SouthShore in Suffolk. Town soccer is dying along with small organizations and clubs as there are enough players left to go round.


The solution is really really simple, and no one wants to do it because it takes time, it takes effort and doesn't get you the prestige and GotSoccer points.

The answer is...create sustainable environments of talent development over talent selection where the objective of the org, from u4 intramurals on up is player retention instead of rankings, wins, tournaments, etc.

So few of these kids are ever going to lace up their boots for a collegiate program much less get a scholarship or make it to the National development programs that chasing that stuff, while it's what the parents think they want, that it is self defeating.

We start telling kids at 8 years old that they'll never be good enough, when they are still figuring out 1) if they like this game and 2) how to play this game, and we wonder why 70+% are now dropping youth sports by age 14. We have trainers(not pointing specific fingers) who yell and scream at 8 year olds that they're doing it wrong...when developmentally they don't know how to do it! We have parents who, and this is a known case to me of a kid who was on my kid's team, who think their kid is the best, they're not even the best on their own team, but that kid at u9 was playing intramural, travel, and had a personal trainer at the house 2x a week. Kid was playing 7 days a week for a year. At u9.

Build teams. Build organizational CULTURE around those teams. That's how you build something bigger than yourselves. That becomes sustainable. That's what brings people flocking to your program because the word of mouth about how you treat the kids and how you develop the kids will bring them to you. You might not win many championships or send many kids to college, but what you will do is this...create a sustainable stream of kids coming through your program, leaving with good memories and experiences and life lessons, and you know what those kids do? They go off to college, get married, move back, have kids and put their kids into the program that gave them so much.

The SUSAs, KKs of the world...now the Slammers, etc. What's their culture?

I put my kids in Stony Brook because of the culture I remember as a kid. I know a dozen or more people who came through SB as kids, who have their kids in it because it used to be a good culture. It's not anymore. The poison predates the merger with KK, but KK being added to the mix was like dumping arsenic in the waters.

It used to be this way at Stony Brook but then a board decided they were going to turn a Town program in to some "Elite" program. Was never going to happen. People in charge botched this up and don't care as long as their kid gets taken care of. Tired of not knowing whether or not my kids coach is going to show up because he has KK teams he must cover.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/27/20 02:03 PM
Town programs join up with SUSA, KK, etc to survive. They don't do it to become some elite program. Town players leave local programs to go to the "elite" clubs and the only way to combat that and to have a program is to merge or create a higher level team for the better players. This way they stay with the local club but get access to better training. If it is done correctly, then the LIJSL level teams now become better and stay afloat and the better players get access to EDP programs. If the towns that have gone this route are forgetting about the LIJSL level players and teams, then they are making a big mistake and pissing off the people who pay most of the bills. There are less high level players in a club than average players. Clubs are supposed to look after all there members.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/27/20 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Town programs join up with SUSA, KK, etc to survive. They don't do it to become some elite program. Town players leave local programs to go to the "elite" clubs and the only way to combat that and to have a program is to merge or create a higher level team for the better players. This way they stay with the local club but get access to better training. If it is done correctly, then the LIJSL level teams now become better and stay afloat and the better players get access to EDP programs. If the towns that have gone this route are forgetting about the LIJSL level players and teams, then they are making a big mistake and pissing off the people who pay most of the bills. There are less high level players in a club than average players. Clubs are supposed to look after all there members.

SB was the opposite. KK needs SB to survive. They simply don't have the resources nor the numbers to maintain keeping teams beyond like the u14 age group. They pretty much admitted so in the introduction meeting I attended 2 years ago when this was initially announced. They also barely have a boys side.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/27/20 09:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Town programs join up with SUSA, KK, etc to survive. They don't do it to become some elite program. Town players leave local programs to go to the "elite" clubs and the only way to combat that and to have a program is to merge or create a higher level team for the better players. This way they stay with the local club but get access to better training. If it is done correctly, then the LIJSL level teams now become better and stay afloat and the better players get access to EDP programs. If the towns that have gone this route are forgetting about the LIJSL level players and teams, then they are making a big mistake and pissing off the people who pay most of the bills. There are less high level players in a club than average players. Clubs are supposed to look after all there members.

SB was the opposite. KK needs SB to survive. They simply don't have the resources nor the numbers to maintain keeping teams beyond like the u14 age group. They pretty much admitted so in the introduction meeting I attended 2 years ago when this was initially announced. They also barely have a boys side.

So what is SB really getting out of this? Seems like a lot of disruption for little benefit. Probably lost as many SB players as gained from KK.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/28/20 01:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Town programs join up with SUSA, KK, etc to survive. They don't do it to become some elite program. Town players leave local programs to go to the "elite" clubs and the only way to combat that and to have a program is to merge or create a higher level team for the better players. This way they stay with the local club but get access to better training. If it is done correctly, then the LIJSL level teams now become better and stay afloat and the better players get access to EDP programs. If the towns that have gone this route are forgetting about the LIJSL level players and teams, then they are making a big mistake and pissing off the people who pay most of the bills. There are less high level players in a club than average players. Clubs are supposed to look after all there members.

SB was the opposite. KK needs SB to survive. They simply don't have the resources nor the numbers to maintain keeping teams beyond like the u14 age group. They pretty much admitted so in the introduction meeting I attended 2 years ago when this was initially announced. They also barely have a boys side.

So what is SB really getting out of this? Seems like a lot of disruption for little benefit. Probably lost as many SB players as gained from KK.

Board member kids are getting taken care of. That's all that matters apparently.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/29/20 03:33 PM
Mark can’t take care of the club, what makes you think he takes care of the board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/29/20 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mark can’t take care of the club, what makes you think he takes care of the board.

You do realize the board is a much smaller group then the club, right?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/29/20 06:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is SB really getting out of this? Seems like a lot of disruption for little benefit. Probably lost as many SB players as gained from KK.

The way it was pitched was that at the upper, u16 and beyond, ages both clubs were struggling to keep large enough rosters. It was also pitched that at the upper age groups those groups would have stronger teams(probably true!) and be able to play better competition and higher leagues/tournys.

My issue with all that is this...the middle of a bell curve exists for a reason. If you only give a crap about the right side 25%, you're losing 75% and killing your clubs. There needs to be options for kids who just still want to play and if you suck at player retention because all you care about is winning(ask the kids to the reply that says that no one wants to be a part of a club that doesn't win...winning ranks like 6th on the list of important things....playing with their friends is like top 2) then you are losing kids.

I know SB lost an entire team last year because of the culture.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/29/20 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is SB really getting out of this? Seems like a lot of disruption for little benefit. Probably lost as many SB players as gained from KK.

The way it was pitched was that at the upper, u16 and beyond, ages both clubs were struggling to keep large enough rosters. It was also pitched that at the upper age groups those groups would have stronger teams(probably true!) and be able to play better competition and higher leagues/tournys.

My issue with all that is this...the middle of a bell curve exists for a reason. If you only give a crap about the right side 25%, you're losing 75% and killing your clubs. There needs to be options for kids who just still want to play and if you suck at player retention because all you care about is winning(ask the kids to the reply that says that no one wants to be a part of a club that doesn't win...winning ranks like 6th on the list of important things....playing with their friends is like top 2) then you are losing kids.

I know SB lost an entire team last year because of the culture.

There is a place. It’s called a B team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 10/29/20 09:49 PM
The club lost the team because of all the lies and back door deals by Nash that fell through.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/02/20 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is SB really getting out of this? Seems like a lot of disruption for little benefit. Probably lost as many SB players as gained from KK.

The way it was pitched was that at the upper, u16 and beyond, ages both clubs were struggling to keep large enough rosters. It was also pitched that at the upper age groups those groups would have stronger teams(probably true!) and be able to play better competition and higher leagues/tournys.

My issue with all that is this...the middle of a bell curve exists for a reason. If you only give a crap about the right side 25%, you're losing 75% and killing your clubs. There needs to be options for kids who just still want to play and if you suck at player retention because all you care about is winning(ask the kids to the reply that says that no one wants to be a part of a club that doesn't win...winning ranks like 6th on the list of important things....playing with their friends is like top 2) then you are losing kids.

I know SB lost an entire team last year because of the culture.

There is a place. It’s called a B team.

They don't have the numbers for B teams. So the sooner you cut kids, the more kids you lose in retention and the less kids you have when 14 comes around and the kids pick other sports, or quit all together because it's become too much like a year round job.

If you know eff all about development and how to build teams and organizational culture, you'd know that. When you lose kids off the A team to other clubs/sports, where do you get kids to fill up behind them? The B team? What B team? There is no B team because you cut them, maligned them, treated them like they didn't matter so they went off and did other stuff.

Every kid matters. Yeah...even the C team kid, because there's going to come a day when you need that kid. You better best damned well prepare that kid as best you can and do what you can to retain them or you don't have them. If you lose them, they're gone...they never, ever come back. You also lose their siblings and their friends.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/03/20 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is SB really getting out of this? Seems like a lot of disruption for little benefit. Probably lost as many SB players as gained from KK.

The way it was pitched was that at the upper, u16 and beyond, ages both clubs were struggling to keep large enough rosters. It was also pitched that at the upper age groups those groups would have stronger teams(probably true!) and be able to play better competition and higher leagues/tournys.

My issue with all that is this...the middle of a bell curve exists for a reason. If you only give a crap about the right side 25%, you're losing 75% and killing your clubs. There needs to be options for kids who just still want to play and if you suck at player retention because all you care about is winning(ask the kids to the reply that says that no one wants to be a part of a club that doesn't win...winning ranks like 6th on the list of important things....playing with their friends is like top 2) then you are losing kids.

I know SB lost an entire team last year because of the culture.

I agree with your post 100%. Winning to some is more important that being a good steward of your club and caring about all the kids that want to play. No matter what your skill set is, there should be a seat at the table for all the kids. Many clubs I know spend more time worrying and taking care of the middle to low tier players because they care about those kids too!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/04/20 08:25 PM
The problem with SB is Rob Ward and his wife Linda. They are rude, pushy, and just plain unpleasant on their best day. They think they can bully everyone into doing what they want and for some strange reason, most people let them get away with it.

I am so glad that I left that hell hole.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/05/20 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem with SB is Rob Ward and his wife Linda. They are rude, pushy, and just plain unpleasant on their best day. They think they can bully everyone into doing what they want and for some strange reason, most people let them get away with it.

I am so glad that I left that hell hole.
Spot On! He needs to be removed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/05/20 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem with SB is Rob Ward and his wife Linda. They are rude, pushy, and just plain unpleasant on their best day. They think they can bully everyone into doing what they want and for some strange reason, most people let them get away with it.

I am so glad that I left that hell hole.

His brother is the President.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/05/20 04:55 PM
Before Covid the board was running the club in to the ground. Why do you think there has been so much turnover on the board. The leadership just cares about their kids teams. The have lost control of the fields to the University. The clubhouse building the club spent a lot of members money on was taken away by SBU. The merger with KK is not going well. Glad my youngest is aging out. It is just not the same anymore. Way to ruin something that has been around for decades.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/06/20 03:48 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem with SB is Rob Ward and his wife Linda. They are rude, pushy, and just plain unpleasant on their best day. They think they can bully everyone into doing what they want and for some strange reason, most people let them get away with it.

I am so glad that I left that hell hole.

Ron Pallilo is no prize either. No wonder they are both Travel Directors.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/06/20 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem with SB is Rob Ward and his wife Linda. They are rude, pushy, and just plain unpleasant on their best day. They think they can bully everyone into doing what they want and for some strange reason, most people let them get away with it.

I am so glad that I left that hell hole.

His brother is the President.

In title only. There is no leadership.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/06/20 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem with SB is Rob Ward and his wife Linda. They are rude, pushy, and just plain unpleasant on their best day. They think they can bully everyone into doing what they want and for some strange reason, most people let them get away with it.

I am so glad that I left that hell hole.

Ron Pallilo is no prize either. No wonder they are both Travel Directors.

The only board member who doesn't spew crap is P.J.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/06/20 11:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem with SB is Rob Ward and his wife Linda. They are rude, pushy, and just plain unpleasant on their best day. They think they can bully everyone into doing what they want and for some strange reason, most people let them get away with it.

I am so glad that I left that hell hole.

Wait, you are getting bossed by the wife of a board member? Who the heck is in charge over there?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/07/20 01:14 AM
Sounds like an all around unfortunate situation, so many agree on the poor management of the club. Makes you wonder how the club could be so tone deaf
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/07/20 02:33 AM
It's not that the board is tone deaf. They only care about their kids. They know exactly what they are doing and unapologetically so.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/07/20 02:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem with SB is Rob Ward and his wife Linda. They are rude, pushy, and just plain unpleasant on their best day. They think they can bully everyone into doing what they want and for some strange reason, most people let them get away with it.

I am so glad that I left that hell hole.

Wait, you are getting bossed by the wife of a board member? Who the heck is in charge over there?

Apparently spouses of elected board members. What a Sh** Show.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/09/20 02:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not that the board is tone deaf. They only care about their kids. They know exactly what they are doing and unapologetically so.
This is probably the answer. A person's perception is their reality and if the team that their kid is on is working for them individually, they can't really see the affects on others where it's not working.

As I said in a previous reply, I had heard through a grapevine that Mark himself has stated that most people realize the merger is a disaster and they are looking to terminate it.

This is just a rumor I heard, I cannot verify it so please don't take it as fact.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/09/20 05:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not that the board is tone deaf. They only care about their kids. They know exactly what they are doing and unapologetically so.
This is probably the answer. A person's perception is their reality and if the team that their kid is on is working for them individually, they can't really see the affects on others where it's not working.

As I said in a previous reply, I had heard through a grapevine that Mark himself has stated that most people realize the merger is a disaster and they are looking to terminate it.

This is just a rumor I heard, I cannot verify it so please don't take it as fact.

How many people really thought this "merger" was going to work?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/09/20 06:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not that the board is tone deaf. They only care about their kids. They know exactly what they are doing and unapologetically so.
This is probably the answer. A person's perception is their reality and if the team that their kid is on is working for them individually, they can't really see the affects on others where it's not working.

As I said in a previous reply, I had heard through a grapevine that Mark himself has stated that most people realize the merger is a disaster and they are looking to terminate it.

This is just a rumor I heard, I cannot verify it so please don't take it as fact.

How many people really thought this "merger" was going to work?

Doesn't matter as long as the board members kids are being taken care of. They don't care what anyone else thinks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/10/20 02:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not that the board is tone deaf. They only care about their kids. They know exactly what they are doing and unapologetically so.
This is probably the answer. A person's perception is their reality and if the team that their kid is on is working for them individually, they can't really see the affects on others where it's not working.

As I said in a previous reply, I had heard through a grapevine that Mark himself has stated that most people realize the merger is a disaster and they are looking to terminate it.

This is just a rumor I heard, I cannot verify it so please don't take it as fact.

Even if true and they do "terminate" the merger it will probably wreak havoc on both clubs for years to come. I don't know much about the KK side , but I do know that Stony Brook seems to have gotten far away from that feeling of being a valued community resource. I don't know if soccer in general is dipping in popularity, or the demographics on kids this age is killing the player pools, but I do have to say that SB could do so much more to be visible in the community.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/10/20 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's not that the board is tone deaf. They only care about their kids. They know exactly what they are doing and unapologetically so.
This is probably the answer. A person's perception is their reality and if the team that their kid is on is working for them individually, they can't really see the affects on others where it's not working.

As I said in a previous reply, I had heard through a grapevine that Mark himself has stated that most people realize the merger is a disaster and they are looking to terminate it.

This is just a rumor I heard, I cannot verify it so please don't take it as fact.

Even if true and they do "terminate" the merger it will probably wreak havoc on both clubs for years to come. I don't know much about the KK side , but I do know that Stony Brook seems to have gotten far away from that feeling of being a valued community resource. I don't know if soccer in general is dipping in popularity, or the demographics on kids this age is killing the player pools, but I do have to say that SB could do so much more to be visible in the community.

The demographics are changing. Less kids in general but that is why the club should have been more concerned with player retention instead of trying to be an "elite club". Look at how many SB kids are playing in Smithtown alone. We are a community club and should act like one. Stop cutting our kids for out of town kids who have no loyalty to the club and will leave when a better opportunity comes along. As long as the board just runs this club to their kids benefit nothing will change. Vote them out and bring the club back to the community it served for decades not the interests of a few.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/10/20 04:36 PM
Were there board elections this year?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/10/20 05:23 PM
Which ever way a club goes, up, down, left, right -somebody won’t be happy. Stony Brook tries to elevate the club, be a little more selective, introduce new coaching ideas, parents not happy, some leave. I experienced first hand our first club, Sachem, accept any and all with little to no standards, lots of parents unhappy and tons left for other clubs. I’d rather be at a club where the board is at least trying to be progressive.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/10/20 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Which ever way a club goes, up, down, left, right -somebody won’t be happy. Stony Brook tries to elevate the club, be a little more selective, introduce new coaching ideas, parents not happy, some leave. I experienced first hand our first club, Sachem, accept any and all with little to no standards, lots of parents unhappy and tons left for other clubs. I’d rather be at a club where the board is at least trying to be progressive.

Coaching and new ideas are not the issue. We pay for good coaches. Trying to be something that your not is the problem. If progressive means dumping out home grown talent for hired guns & board just worrying about their kids teams, then count me and many others out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 12:40 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Which ever way a club goes, up, down, left, right -somebody won’t be happy. Stony Brook tries to elevate the club, be a little more selective, introduce new coaching ideas, parents not happy, some leave. I experienced first hand our first club, Sachem, accept any and all with little to no standards, lots of parents unhappy and tons left for other clubs. I’d rather be at a club where the board is at least trying to be progressive.

Sachem and Stony Brook can't afford to be selective. Their fields cost way too much for them to not take in every body that they possibly can. The KK merger was just as much about getting more registration money coming in as it was an attempt to elevate play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 03:19 AM
More problems with the girls at Stony Brook. More bad choices causing issues.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 04:11 AM
Can a few different people reply with their opinion as to why the Stonybrook/KK merger is a disaster?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 12:21 PM
Coaching is a huge problem. They don’t show up on time or not at all and your given a coach who doesn’t even know your child. One coach is on his phone during games. There is no pulse with the DOC who can’t control what’s happening.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 12:55 PM
That has happen a few times with the KK coach with our team
Supposedly he is notorious for not showing up or being late.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can a few different people reply with their opinion as to why the Stonybrook/KK merger is a disaster?
Cause two piles of crap equals a larger pile of crap
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can a few different people reply with their opinion as to why the Stonybrook/KK merger is a disaster?

I think there are people trying to deflect from the problems with the board by claiming the merger is a disaster. There may be issues with the merger but I doubt anyone thought it was going to be easy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Which ever way a club goes, up, down, left, right -somebody won’t be happy. Stony Brook tries to elevate the club, be a little more selective, introduce new coaching ideas, parents not happy, some leave. I experienced first hand our first club, Sachem, accept any and all with little to no standards, lots of parents unhappy and tons left for other clubs. I’d rather be at a club where the board is at least trying to be progressive.

Sachem and Stony Brook can't afford to be selective. Their fields cost way too much for them to not take in every body that they possibly can. The KK merger was just as much about getting more registration money coming in as it was an attempt to elevate play.

Not sure money is the factor. If it was why would they give away pre-K and intramurals for $20? They didn't have to discount it that much if money was an issue unless they are that stupid with finances.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 02:15 PM
What’s the issue with the board? They were talking about coaches and the DOC
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s the issue with the board? They were talking about coaches and the DOC

Can you read? They have been outlined so many times on this thread.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can a few different people reply with their opinion as to why the Stonybrook/KK merger is a disaster?

Because it was just meant to benefit board members kids. After KK is done filing out its rosters with SB kids the "merger" will fall apart.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Which ever way a club goes, up, down, left, right -somebody won’t be happy. Stony Brook tries to elevate the club, be a little more selective, introduce new coaching ideas, parents not happy, some leave. I experienced first hand our first club, Sachem, accept any and all with little to no standards, lots of parents unhappy and tons left for other clubs. I’d rather be at a club where the board is at least trying to be progressive.

Sachem and Stony Brook can't afford to be selective. Their fields cost way too much for them to not take in every body that they possibly can. The KK merger was just as much about getting more registration money coming in as it was an attempt to elevate play.

Not sure money is the factor. If it was why would they give away pre-K and intramurals for $20? They didn't have to discount it that much if money was an issue unless they are that stupid with finances.

I will go with Stupid with Finances for $500 Alex. RIP Mr. TREBEK.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s the issue with the board? They were talking about coaches and the DOC

The main issue is the board and the agendas. Like the Ward's (all of them) thinking that they are SB royalty and their rude and nasty treatment of others and the fact that the DOC tries to do the right thing but the "board" ties his hands. It is the board more than anything else that is bringing the club down. It's time to vote all of them out. Just a bunch of losers that are there for their kids and the fact that those kids couldn't cut it anywhere else.

Get with the program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/11/20 10:42 PM
The DOC is no angel either. He caused us to leave. The consistent lies killed my kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/12/20 12:25 AM
SB a disaster parents controlling, players will leave and kk hasn't been same since SUSA took over few years ago.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/12/20 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The DOC is no angel either. He caused us to leave. The consistent lies killed my kids.

I'm not sure I would call them lies vs constantly falling way short of expectations. Either way it's bad for the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/12/20 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s the issue with the board? They were talking about coaches and the DOC

The main issue is the board and the agendas. Like the Ward's (all of them) thinking that they are SB royalty and their rude and nasty treatment of others and the fact that the DOC tries to do the right thing but the "board" ties his hands. It is the board more than anything else that is bringing the club down. It's time to vote all of them out. Just a bunch of losers that are there for their kids and the fact that those kids couldn't cut it anywhere else.

Get with the program.

Been a member of the club for over 10 years. The board the last few years is the worst we have seen. Truly sad what is happening unless you are lucky enough to be on the team with one of their kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/12/20 06:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s the issue with the board? They were talking about coaches and the DOC

The main issue is the board and the agendas. Like the Ward's (all of them) thinking that they are SB royalty and their rude and nasty treatment of others and the fact that the DOC tries to do the right thing but the "board" ties his hands. It is the board more than anything else that is bringing the club down. It's time to vote all of them out. Just a bunch of losers that are there for their kids and the fact that those kids couldn't cut it anywhere else.

Get with the program.

Been a member of the club for over 10 years. The board the last few years is the worst we have seen. Truly sad what is happening unless you are lucky enough to be on the team with one of their kids.

It is not a club anymore. These clowns have ruined an institution. Good job.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/12/20 10:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s the issue with the board? They were talking about coaches and the DOC

The main issue is the board and the agendas. Like the Ward's (all of them) thinking that they are SB royalty and their rude and nasty treatment of others and the fact that the DOC tries to do the right thing but the "board" ties his hands. It is the board more than anything else that is bringing the club down. It's time to vote all of them out. Just a bunch of losers that are there for their kids and the fact that those kids couldn't cut it anywhere else.

Get with the program.

Been a member of the club for over 10 years. The board the last few years is the worst we have seen. Truly sad what is happening unless you are lucky enough to be on the team with one of their kids.

It is not a club anymore. These clowns have ruined an institution. Good job.

What can they do to turn it around or is it too late?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/13/20 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s the issue with the board? They were talking about coaches and the DOC

The main issue is the board and the agendas. Like the Ward's (all of them) thinking that they are SB royalty and their rude and nasty treatment of others and the fact that the DOC tries to do the right thing but the "board" ties his hands. It is the board more than anything else that is bringing the club down. It's time to vote all of them out. Just a bunch of losers that are there for their kids and the fact that those kids couldn't cut it anywhere else.

Get with the program.

Been a member of the club for over 10 years. The board the last few years is the worst we have seen. Truly sad what is happening unless you are lucky enough to be on the team with one of their kids.

It is not a club anymore. These clowns have ruined an institution. Good job.

What can they do to turn it around or is it too late?


Hopefully under new leadership the club can make a comeback.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/13/20 02:07 AM
It's already too late. Who would want to jump on this sinking ship?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/13/20 09:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's already too late. Who would want to jump on this sinking ship?
Hopefully a new DOC with proper leadership will save the ship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/13/20 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's already too late. Who would want to jump on this sinking ship?
Hopefully a new DOC with proper leadership will save the ship.

Any DOC is doomed to fail with this board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/14/20 02:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's already too late. Who would want to jump on this sinking ship?
Hopefully a new DOC with proper leadership will save the ship.

Any DOC is doomed to fail with this board.

The board members are killing the club. They backstab each other like junior high school girls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/15/20 02:06 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's already too late. Who would want to jump on this sinking ship?
Hopefully a new DOC with proper leadership will save the ship.

Any DOC is doomed to fail with this board.

The board members are killing the club. They backstab each other like junior high school girls.

All they do is care about their own kids and those teams. MN just takes care of the presidents kids and the board members that he needs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/15/20 03:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's already too late. Who would want to jump on this sinking ship?
Hopefully a new DOC with proper leadership will save the ship.

Any DOC is doomed to fail with this board.

The board members are killing the club. They backstab each other like junior high school girls.

All they do is care about their own kids and those teams. MN just takes care of the presidents kids and the board members that he needs.

I am sure there are some people on the board for the right reasons but the leadership is in it just for themselves. By the time they are done the club be decimated. Just look how many board members have come and gone in the last 3-5 years. They see what is happening and want no part of it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/15/20 03:21 PM
When is the board election going to be held?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/15/20 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When is the board election going to be held?

Whenever they damn well feel like it. Now sit down and shut up you peasant!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/15/20 11:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When is the board election going to be held?

When the House of Ward falls!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 01:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
When is the board election going to be held?

When the House of Ward falls!

You joke but the destruction of a community organization that has been around for over 40 years at the hands of a selfish few is not funny. Many people sacrificed for many years for the sake of others. All that is being wiped out. It is truly very sad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's already too late. Who would want to jump on this sinking ship?
Hopefully a new DOC with proper leadership will save the ship.

Any DOC is doomed to fail with this board.

The board members are killing the club. They backstab each other like junior high school girls.

Looking at this thread it’s full of bitchy junior high school girls gossiping. If you are going to call out people put your name to it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 01:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's already too late. Who would want to jump on this sinking ship?
Hopefully a new DOC with proper leadership will save the ship.

Any DOC is doomed to fail with this board.

The board members are killing the club. They backstab each other like junior high school girls.

Looking at this thread it’s full of bitchy junior high school girls gossiping. If you are going to call out people put your name to it.

They wont put their name on it. Its the same few idiots going back and forth. Tommy Lips? Ex Board Member? I know they have the same growing pains as any other club other than that, they're fine.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 01:34 PM
Growing Pains??? The board leadership has been there for a while now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 01:39 PM
So an anonymous poster is criticizing an anonymous poster about posting anonymously. No wonder your club is so screwed up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So an anonymous poster is criticizing an anonymous poster about posting anonymously. No wonder your club is so screwed up.

No dog in the fight but I think it’s cowardly to name someone and hide behind anonymous as you do it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 02:33 PM
Ex board member? There are current board members in private that will tell you they don't agree with what's going on but they are shut out. Could that be just BS? Maybe but there definitely sounds like there are issues there. Hopefully with what we are all dealing with will put some perspective back in to things. It's an organization for the kids, not to feed egos of any adults whether that be board members, parents or coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 02:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So an anonymous poster is criticizing an anonymous poster about posting anonymously. No wonder your club is so screwed up.

No dog in the fight but I think it’s cowardly to name someone and hide behind anonymous as you do it.

I didn't name anyone. I just pointed out the irony in the post. Why did you post anonymously?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 02:47 PM
I just passed the huge field complex on the north side of the LIE out by Sachem and Stony brook. I saw goal frames but no painted fields. What is the story with that complex? Used to be a zoo on the weekends
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 03:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just passed the huge field complex on the north side of the LIE out by Sachem and Stony brook. I saw goal frames but no painted fields. What is the story with that complex? Used to be a zoo on the weekends

Stony Brook is no where near the expresssway.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 04:33 PM
You think Lips cares one iota as to what's happening at SB? Your are delusional..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/16/20 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just passed the huge field complex on the north side of the LIE out by Sachem and Stony brook. I saw goal frames but no painted fields. What is the story with that complex? Used to be a zoo on the weekends

Those are the Sachem fields. The school district didn't give them permits for the fall season so the club has been using alternate fields.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/17/20 01:09 PM
Anyone that expected things to run smoothly this year was delusional. A merger of any kind is tough under the best of circumstances..Throw in worldwide pandemic, leagues not knowing if they will happen, limited field space.amongst others. Everyone should be grateful their kids have this opportunity to play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/17/20 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone that expected things to run smoothly this year was delusional. A merger of any kind is tough under the best of circumstances..Throw in worldwide pandemic, leagues not knowing if they will happen, limited field space.amongst others. Everyone should be grateful their kids have this opportunity to play.

Never ran smoothly under the leadership of the DOC. If you didn’t know now you know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/17/20 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone that expected things to run smoothly this year was delusional. A merger of any kind is tough under the best of circumstances..Throw in worldwide pandemic, leagues not knowing if they will happen, limited field space.amongst others. Everyone should be grateful their kids have this opportunity to play.

Never ran smoothly under the leadership of the DOC. If you didn’t know now you know.

What makes you the expert? Maybe your just a disgruntled parent because your B team kid didn't make the A team. Plenty of expert parents at the club who have never played the sport before. You know the ones yelling "Kick it"', "Shoot it" even though their kid is still in their own half, screaming for offsides on a throw in etc..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/17/20 04:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone that expected things to run smoothly this year was delusional. A merger of any kind is tough under the best of circumstances..Throw in worldwide pandemic, leagues not knowing if they will happen, limited field space.amongst others. Everyone should be grateful their kids have this opportunity to play.


Things have never run smoothly under Nash. Things have never run smoothly under Kelly. Why anyone would think combining the two would end up in a smooth running operation is beyond me. And I like both of them. They are just terrible at organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/17/20 05:20 PM
If only there were a group of people responsible for running the club. There job would be to oversea everything including implementing mergers. I got it they should be called the Board of Directors!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/17/20 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If only there were a group of people responsible for running the club. There job would be to oversea everything including implementing mergers. I got it they should be called the Board of Directors!

How about a group called The Travel Committee that helps run the Travel program? I think that would be helpful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/17/20 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone that expected things to run smoothly this year was delusional. A merger of any kind is tough under the best of circumstances..Throw in worldwide pandemic, leagues not knowing if they will happen, limited field space.amongst others. Everyone should be grateful their kids have this opportunity to play.

As someone who was in the room when the merger was announced, in the Spring of 2018, they've had almost 2 years to get their crap together. But haven't because as one poster earlier in this thread correctly remarked, when you don't know what you're trying to be, you have no goal in mind.

So I ask of the select few who are in semi support of this with SB/KK calling every person who is against it that their kid must be a B team kid...what's the goal? What's the objective?

If you do not have an objective for a merger of this nature or even a culture in mind for your club, then what are you working towards? Without the goal in mind you're a monkey at the zoo flinging crap against the wall trying to see what sticks.

They don't know, or at least they have not publicly said what they want to be out of this.

If you want to be competing with SUSAs and other academy programs, then state it. Be transparent. This way the B/C kids can make an intelligent choice that this isn't what they want and they can go find a program that works better for them.

If you're going to lie, or as another poster said over promise and under deliver by the DOC as to what this program is about, then threads like this is what you get. I can assure you as a resident in SB there are many more not here who are not happy than are being public about it, even anonymously. I like Mark as a person. But he is a big time over promise, under deliver person.

Is it a shock that he being a the head of this merger is under delivering on the promises?

As for SB as a program...it has been an institution in this community for 40+ years. I graduated WM with the daughter of the founder of the program. People I went to school with have been board members and even club President. Several parents of my kid's former team put their kids in SB because that's where they played as kids. It was an institution, but it has lost its way and that's a tragedy.

As for the question of can it be fixed or preventing from going totally nuclear? I'd say yes...but it's gonna hurt.

You need a clear defined mission and vision as to what the program is going to be, who it's going to cater to and what it's purpose is. It does not have one now. The funny thing is its teams are constructed the same way...as they're not teams with a culture and purpose. They're just 12-15 kids hammered together whether they're a team or not trying to win.

I think the board probably needs clearing out. I think the DOC needs to be replaced. I think they need to pay top dollar for the best coaches around, and have a strict curriculum starting at u8 and on up for proper development that follows a long term athletic development model that is proven to work and be successful at building kids to adults who happen to be good at soccer. There also needs to be an emphasis on retention as the primary objective no winning, or rankings where kids of all differing skill levels can have a place to play and learn a love of sport, without the need to please adults by winning this or that.

But I've got 22+ years of youth sports program development and coaching...so what do I know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/17/20 08:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone that expected things to run smoothly this year was delusional. A merger of any kind is tough under the best of circumstances..Throw in worldwide pandemic, leagues not knowing if they will happen, limited field space.amongst others. Everyone should be grateful their kids have this opportunity to play.

As someone who was in the room when the merger was announced, in the Spring of 2018, they've had almost 2 years to get their crap together. But haven't because as one poster earlier in this thread correctly remarked, when you don't know what you're trying to be, you have no goal in mind.

So I ask of the select few who are in semi support of this with SB/KK calling every person who is against it that their kid must be a B team kid...what's the goal? What's the objective?

If you do not have an objective for a merger of this nature or even a culture in mind for your club, then what are you working towards? Without the goal in mind you're a monkey at the zoo flinging crap against the wall trying to see what sticks.

They don't know, or at least they have not publicly said what they want to be out of this.

If you want to be competing with SUSAs and other academy programs, then state it. Be transparent. This way the B/C kids can make an intelligent choice that this isn't what they want and they can go find a program that works better for them.

If you're going to lie, or as another poster said over promise and under deliver by the DOC as to what this program is about, then threads like this is what you get. I can assure you as a resident in SB there are many more not here who are not happy than are being public about it, even anonymously. I like Mark as a person. But he is a big time over promise, under deliver person.

Is it a shock that he being a the head of this merger is under delivering on the promises?

As for SB as a program...it has been an institution in this community for 40+ years. I graduated WM with the daughter of the founder of the program. People I went to school with have been board members and even club President. Several parents of my kid's former team put their kids in SB because that's where they played as kids. It was an institution, but it has lost its way and that's a tragedy.

As for the question of can it be fixed or preventing from going totally nuclear? I'd say yes...but it's gonna hurt.

You need a clear defined mission and vision as to what the program is going to be, who it's going to cater to and what it's purpose is. It does not have one now. The funny thing is its teams are constructed the same way...as they're not teams with a culture and purpose. They're just 12-15 kids hammered together whether they're a team or not trying to win.

I think the board probably needs clearing out. I think the DOC needs to be replaced. I think they need to pay top dollar for the best coaches around, and have a strict curriculum starting at u8 and on up for proper development that follows a long term athletic development model that is proven to work and be successful at building kids to adults who happen to be good at soccer. There also needs to be an emphasis on retention as the primary objective no winning, or rankings where kids of all differing skill levels can have a place to play and learn a love of sport, without the need to please adults by winning this or that.

But I've got 22+ years of youth sports program development and coaching...so what do I know.

Don't disagree with a lot that you said but this board is happy to leave Nash out there taking all the arrows. He is unorganized but it is completely unfair to out this merger thru and then hand the keys to one person and say "Good Luck". They are just focused on their kids teams where most of the drama takes place.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/17/20 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone that expected things to run smoothly this year was delusional. A merger of any kind is tough under the best of circumstances..Throw in worldwide pandemic, leagues not knowing if they will happen, limited field space.amongst others. Everyone should be grateful their kids have this opportunity to play.

As someone who was in the room when the merger was announced, in the Spring of 2018, they've had almost 2 years to get their crap together. But haven't because as one poster earlier in this thread correctly remarked, when you don't know what you're trying to be, you have no goal in mind.

So I ask of the select few who are in semi support of this with SB/KK calling every person who is against it that their kid must be a B team kid...what's the goal? What's the objective?

If you do not have an objective for a merger of this nature or even a culture in mind for your club, then what are you working towards? Without the goal in mind you're a monkey at the zoo flinging crap against the wall trying to see what sticks.

They don't know, or at least they have not publicly said what they want to be out of this.

If you want to be competing with SUSAs and other academy programs, then state it. Be transparent. This way the B/C kids can make an intelligent choice that this isn't what they want and they can go find a program that works better for them.

If you're going to lie, or as another poster said over promise and under deliver by the DOC as to what this program is about, then threads like this is what you get. I can assure you as a resident in SB there are many more not here who are not happy than are being public about it, even anonymously. I like Mark as a person. But he is a big time over promise, under deliver person.

Is it a shock that he being a the head of this merger is under delivering on the promises?

As for SB as a program...it has been an institution in this community for 40+ years. I graduated WM with the daughter of the founder of the program. People I went to school with have been board members and even club President. Several parents of my kid's former team put their kids in SB because that's where they played as kids. It was an institution, but it has lost its way and that's a tragedy.

As for the question of can it be fixed or preventing from going totally nuclear? I'd say yes...but it's gonna hurt.

You need a clear defined mission and vision as to what the program is going to be, who it's going to cater to and what it's purpose is. It does not have one now. The funny thing is its teams are constructed the same way...as they're not teams with a culture and purpose. They're just 12-15 kids hammered together whether they're a team or not trying to win.

I think the board probably needs clearing out. I think the DOC needs to be replaced. I think they need to pay top dollar for the best coaches around, and have a strict curriculum starting at u8 and on up for proper development that follows a long term athletic development model that is proven to work and be successful at building kids to adults who happen to be good at soccer. There also needs to be an emphasis on retention as the primary objective no winning, or rankings where kids of all differing skill levels can have a place to play and learn a love of sport, without the need to please adults by winning this or that.

But I've got 22+ years of youth sports program development and coaching...so what do I know.

Sounds like you know a thing or two because you've seen a thing or two. I think your assessment is spot on. My guess is, SB wanted to cater to the better kids and expected the B/C & Intramurl kids to be happy with it and just contribute financially via registration $.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/17/20 09:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone that expected things to run smoothly this year was delusional. A merger of any kind is tough under the best of circumstances..Throw in worldwide pandemic, leagues not knowing if they will happen, limited field space.amongst others. Everyone should be grateful their kids have this opportunity to play.

As someone who was in the room when the merger was announced, in the Spring of 2018, they've had almost 2 years to get their crap together. But haven't because as one poster earlier in this thread correctly remarked, when you don't know what you're trying to be, you have no goal in mind.

So I ask of the select few who are in semi support of this with SB/KK calling every person who is against it that their kid must be a B team kid...what's the goal? What's the objective?

If you do not have an objective for a merger of this nature or even a culture in mind for your club, then what are you working towards? Without the goal in mind you're a monkey at the zoo flinging crap against the wall trying to see what sticks.

They don't know, or at least they have not publicly said what they want to be out of this.

If you want to be competing with SUSAs and other academy programs, then state it. Be transparent. This way the B/C kids can make an intelligent choice that this isn't what they want and they can go find a program that works better for them.

If you're going to lie, or as another poster said over promise and under deliver by the DOC as to what this program is about, then threads like this is what you get. I can assure you as a resident in SB there are many more not here who are not happy than are being public about it, even anonymously. I like Mark as a person. But he is a big time over promise, under deliver person.

Is it a shock that he being a the head of this merger is under delivering on the promises?

As for SB as a program...it has been an institution in this community for 40+ years. I graduated WM with the daughter of the founder of the program. People I went to school with have been board members and even club President. Several parents of my kid's former team put their kids in SB because that's where they played as kids. It was an institution, but it has lost its way and that's a tragedy.

As for the question of can it be fixed or preventing from going totally nuclear? I'd say yes...but it's gonna hurt.

You need a clear defined mission and vision as to what the program is going to be, who it's going to cater to and what it's purpose is. It does not have one now. The funny thing is its teams are constructed the same way...as they're not teams with a culture and purpose. They're just 12-15 kids hammered together whether they're a team or not trying to win.

I think the board probably needs clearing out. I think the DOC needs to be replaced. I think they need to pay top dollar for the best coaches around, and have a strict curriculum starting at u8 and on up for proper development that follows a long term athletic development model that is proven to work and be successful at building kids to adults who happen to be good at soccer. There also needs to be an emphasis on retention as the primary objective no winning, or rankings where kids of all differing skill levels can have a place to play and learn a love of sport, without the need to please adults by winning this or that.

But I've got 22+ years of youth sports program development and coaching...so what do I know.

Sounds like you know a thing or two because you've seen a thing or two. I think your assessment is spot on. My guess is, SB wanted to cater to the better kids and expected the B/C & Intramurl kids to be happy with it and just contribute financially via registration $.

Exactly. This club is all about the top 3-5%. We are not SUSA and should stop trying to be something we are not. That is why this board are not good stewards.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/18/20 01:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone that expected things to run smoothly this year was delusional. A merger of any kind is tough under the best of circumstances..Throw in worldwide pandemic, leagues not knowing if they will happen, limited field space.amongst others. Everyone should be grateful their kids have this opportunity to play.

As someone who was in the room when the merger was announced, in the Spring of 2018, they've had almost 2 years to get their crap together. But haven't because as one poster earlier in this thread correctly remarked, when you don't know what you're trying to be, you have no goal in mind.

So I ask of the select few who are in semi support of this with SB/KK calling every person who is against it that their kid must be a B team kid...what's the goal? What's the objective?

If you do not have an objective for a merger of this nature or even a culture in mind for your club, then what are you working towards? Without the goal in mind you're a monkey at the zoo flinging crap against the wall trying to see what sticks.

They don't know, or at least they have not publicly said what they want to be out of this.

If you want to be competing with SUSAs and other academy programs, then state it. Be transparent. This way the B/C kids can make an intelligent choice that this isn't what they want and they can go find a program that works better for them.

If you're going to lie, or as another poster said over promise and under deliver by the DOC as to what this program is about, then threads like this is what you get. I can assure you as a resident in SB there are many more not here who are not happy than are being public about it, even anonymously. I like Mark as a person. But he is a big time over promise, under deliver person.

Is it a shock that he being a the head of this merger is under delivering on the promises?

As for SB as a program...it has been an institution in this community for 40+ years. I graduated WM with the daughter of the founder of the program. People I went to school with have been board members and even club President. Several parents of my kid's former team put their kids in SB because that's where they played as kids. It was an institution, but it has lost its way and that's a tragedy.

As for the question of can it be fixed or preventing from going totally nuclear? I'd say yes...but it's gonna hurt.

You need a clear defined mission and vision as to what the program is going to be, who it's going to cater to and what it's purpose is. It does not have one now. The funny thing is its teams are constructed the same way...as they're not teams with a culture and purpose. They're just 12-15 kids hammered together whether they're a team or not trying to win.

I think the board probably needs clearing out. I think the DOC needs to be replaced. I think they need to pay top dollar for the best coaches around, and have a strict curriculum starting at u8 and on up for proper development that follows a long term athletic development model that is proven to work and be successful at building kids to adults who happen to be good at soccer. There also needs to be an emphasis on retention as the primary objective no winning, or rankings where kids of all differing skill levels can have a place to play and learn a love of sport, without the need to please adults by winning this or that.

But I've got 22+ years of youth sports program development and coaching...so what do I know.

Don't disagree with a lot that you said but this board is happy to leave Nash out there taking all the arrows. He is unorganized but it is completely unfair to out this merger thru and then hand the keys to one person and say "Good Luck". They are just focused on their kids teams where most of the drama takes place.



The board is about themselves. There are a few ( a few!!) that actually care. The rest are about their kids and that’s it. Maybe they should face reality and realize that if your child is good enough to play at the higher level then you should try that avenue and see where it goes. Let the kids play and enjoy themselves and go back to the roots of where this club belongs.
Please please get rid of Nash as I can’t listen to people who say he has lied to them anymore. How many times does it take to realize this. If your spouse cheated on you more then 10 times you would be divorced. Time for a divorce!
As for the board well maybe they should just pack it in. To many of them back stabbing each other. You have jobs go focus on that as your not focusing on the real issues in the club and just handling what works in your favor.
The original poster obv said it the best!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/18/20 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone that expected things to run smoothly this year was delusional. A merger of any kind is tough under the best of circumstances..Throw in worldwide pandemic, leagues not knowing if they will happen, limited field space.amongst others. Everyone should be grateful their kids have this opportunity to play.

As someone who was in the room when the merger was announced, in the Spring of 2018, they've had almost 2 years to get their crap together. But haven't because as one poster earlier in this thread correctly remarked, when you don't know what you're trying to be, you have no goal in mind.

So I ask of the select few who are in semi support of this with SB/KK calling every person who is against it that their kid must be a B team kid...what's the goal? What's the objective?

If you do not have an objective for a merger of this nature or even a culture in mind for your club, then what are you working towards? Without the goal in mind you're a monkey at the zoo flinging crap against the wall trying to see what sticks.

They don't know, or at least they have not publicly said what they want to be out of this.

If you want to be competing with SUSAs and other academy programs, then state it. Be transparent. This way the B/C kids can make an intelligent choice that this isn't what they want and they can go find a program that works better for them.

If you're going to lie, or as another poster said over promise and under deliver by the DOC as to what this program is about, then threads like this is what you get. I can assure you as a resident in SB there are many more not here who are not happy than are being public about it, even anonymously. I like Mark as a person. But he is a big time over promise, under deliver person.

Is it a shock that he being a the head of this merger is under delivering on the promises?

As for SB as a program...it has been an institution in this community for 40+ years. I graduated WM with the daughter of the founder of the program. People I went to school with have been board members and even club President. Several parents of my kid's former team put their kids in SB because that's where they played as kids. It was an institution, but it has lost its way and that's a tragedy.

As for the question of can it be fixed or preventing from going totally nuclear? I'd say yes...but it's gonna hurt.

You need a clear defined mission and vision as to what the program is going to be, who it's going to cater to and what it's purpose is. It does not have one now. The funny thing is its teams are constructed the same way...as they're not teams with a culture and purpose. They're just 12-15 kids hammered together whether they're a team or not trying to win.

I think the board probably needs clearing out. I think the DOC needs to be replaced. I think they need to pay top dollar for the best coaches around, and have a strict curriculum starting at u8 and on up for proper development that follows a long term athletic development model that is proven to work and be successful at building kids to adults who happen to be good at soccer. There also needs to be an emphasis on retention as the primary objective no winning, or rankings where kids of all differing skill levels can have a place to play and learn a love of sport, without the need to please adults by winning this or that.

But I've got 22+ years of youth sports program development and coaching...so what do I know.

Sounds like you know a thing or two because you've seen a thing or two. I think your assessment is spot on. My guess is, SB wanted to cater to the better kids and expected the B/C & Intramurl kids to be happy with it and just contribute financially via registration $.

Exactly. This club is all about the top 3-5%. We are not SUSA and should stop trying to be something we are not. That is why this board are not good stewards.

See the bold.

YES.

But the funny thing is this, when you're trying to serve the top 3-5% as you aptly put it, you're actually not serving any of the kids...because the kids don't care. Not until they're like u16 or there abouts. Some do sooner but they're the exception not the rule.

Catering to the 3-5% is catering to the adults.

So, as I put it in the long diatribe above, who do you serve? If as a youth sports organization you're objective is not to serve the <cue Fred Gwynn voice> yutes then you're not a youth sports organization. You're an adult sports organization that is competing with other adult sports organizations using children. And that is not a sustainable business model.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/18/20 07:50 PM
What town clubs that are actually holding or growing. What is their mission?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/18/20 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What town clubs that are actually holding or growing. What is their mission?
The problem is that most orgs are torn between the Johnny Try hards who want to win at all costs and drive away kids or that the people whose kids are aging out feel as if they have nothing to give back. There are also people who try to get the orgs to do the right thing.

Prior to coming to SB, I tried this at a different club in Suffolk where I got on the board and recommended that travel coaches who were aging out with their kids and other more experienced travel coaches(town club...not trainer club) should mentor the newer coaches/well intentioned parents at the u5-6-7-8 age group to get them to learn how to run proper practices and theory as well as develop a curriculum of age appropriate long term athletic development and I was told to go eff myself basically and that 'haven't they done enough?'

No...you haven't if you just ushered your own kid through the program. Give back, leave the program stronger than you found it. Having learned my lesson I became a passenger when I brought my oldest over to SB and rather than fight it anymore(I tried fighting with Mark for 2 years for my youngest's team)I voted with my money and feet.

My kid's happier, we're happier.

The point...someone has to try it. Someone has to make a program that counters all the adults competing with adults using kids. It will take time, there will be growing pains. But if you're only concerned with your kid scoring goals, or winning tournaments or going to EDP and beyond...you're actually part of the problem. All those things take care of themselves if the program is run right, healthy and has high retention with the needs of the kids first and foremost, not the needs of the adults.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/19/20 12:46 PM
Bring Mitch Paly back - VOTE THE BOARD OUT - VOTE DOC OUT -
All you need to start is to get enough signatures from current members
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/19/20 03:20 PM
SB board members the problem, just care about their own kids. kk should stop relationship.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/19/20 05:38 PM
Is any town club growing? Anyone know of a model thats working?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/19/20 07:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is any town club growing? Anyone know of a model thats working?

Any model that puts kids above parents and board members egos is better then what we have now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/19/20 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bring Mitch Paly back - VOTE THE BOARD OUT - VOTE DOC OUT -
All you need to start is to get enough signatures from current members

Bring back Mitch Pally and the club will have instant credibility. The selfishness of the board would be over.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/19/20 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bring Mitch Paly back - VOTE THE BOARD OUT - VOTE DOC OUT -
All you need to start is to get enough signatures from current members

Bring back Mitch Pally and the club will have instant credibility. The selfishness of the board would be over.

What makes anyone think that he wants to come back?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/19/20 09:09 PM
Maybe he doesn't but worth asking him. The people in charge need to go. Maybe they can put together an advisory committee of ex board members who can help with new board members. They can hold regular meetings and ask questions of the board and publish them on the website. Just can't be from the current group after they leave or get voted out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/19/20 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe he doesn't but worth asking him. The people in charge need to go. Maybe they can put together an advisory committee of ex board members who can help with new board members. They can hold regular meetings and ask questions of the board and publish them on the website. Just can't be from the current group after they leave or get voted out.

Good idea. Only ex-members who don't have kids in the club or any club for that matter should be eligible. Also would have to not have been on the board for a certain amount of time like 3 years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/20/20 01:36 PM
Has anyone heard anything about when board elections will take place? Does anyone know who is up for re-election?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/20/20 02:08 PM
my kids played at Stony Brook recently. No issue, no problems. There were a few demanding parents but im sure thats in every club
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/20/20 02:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
my kids played at Stony Brook recently. No issue, no problems. There were a few demanding parents but im sure thats in every club

If it is this bad in every club then there would be a lot more posts about other clubs. This board of directors is the worst. Vote them out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/20/20 03:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
my kids played at Stony Brook recently. No issue, no problems. There were a few demanding parents but im sure thats in every club

If it is this bad in every club then there would be a lot more posts about other clubs. This board of directors is the worst. Vote them out.

This has been going on for the last couple of years with the same issue. I have no skin in the game but voice your opinions or there will never be change there or just leave !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/20/20 04:29 PM
The difference here is there are bitter ex board members who were throw off the board for cause keeping the hate alive. Couple that with parents of kids who got be teamed and trashy ex team admins and you have your answer as to why this thread stays alive. Some on here should be careful as these posts aren’t as anonymous as you think.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/20/20 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The difference here is there are bitter ex board members who were throw off the board for cause keeping the hate alive. Couple that with parents of kids who got be teamed and trashy ex team admins and you have your answer as to why this thread stays alive. Some on here should be careful as these posts aren’t as anonymous as you think.



Hahahahaha. ok. Linda Ward!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/23/20 03:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The difference here is there are bitter ex board members who were throw off the board for cause keeping the hate alive. Couple that with parents of kids who got be teamed and trashy ex team admins and you have your answer as to why this thread stays alive. Some on here should be careful as these posts aren’t as anonymous as you think.
As one of those trashy ex admins no sorry. I ran our team like clockwork the board folks I dealt with even said so. Guy who replaced me when I fought the status quo and refused to be associated with it again has done well too and agrees the program is garbage.

People who dismiss what we the admins or ex admins say are the problem. Nash can't be everywhere. The trainers don't see or hear everything. We the admins are the direct link between the kids their parents and their pulse on what they feel and want. So you might want to listen to them. We know more than any board member because we're in the trenches.

We are also the customers. So when we tell you our parents are concerned with the pressure for full year soccer is not a good thing or that crating two teams of skeleton crews which causes most kids to play 50+ games in a year is bad maybe listen.

There are people who have studied what creates burn out and dropping if sports. Stony brook violates literally every single tenet they warn about. It didn't used to be that way as little as 5-6 years ago.

Judging by writing styles and different perspectives and messages you've got close to a dozen people participating here. There are probably 3x that many who feel the same but either don't know about this place or dont speak up.

Choose your fights wisely. You're outnumbered. Badly. If you happen to be a board member you are seeing the end under your watch. Choose wisely.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/23/20 02:46 PM
It definitely wasn't like this 5-6 years ago.
.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/23/20 08:41 PM
Really - this is what the club has come to. Admins going on here talking crap because they didn’t get their way? Grow up and place your name and stop hiding behind keyboard. This is ridiculous.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/23/20 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really - this is what the club has come to. Admins going on here talking crap because they didn’t get their way? Grow up and place your name and stop hiding behind keyboard. This is ridiculous.

You can also look at it the other way. Club not responsive to the admins and now are being called out for it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/23/20 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really - this is what the club has come to. Admins going on here talking crap because they didn’t get their way? Grow up and place your name and stop hiding behind keyboard. This is ridiculous.

Why do people post anonymously ripping people who post anonymously? Don't you realize how hypocritical you are?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/23/20 09:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The difference here is there are bitter ex board members who were throw off the board for cause keeping the hate alive. Couple that with parents of kids who got be teamed and trashy ex team admins and you have your answer as to why this thread stays alive. Some on here should be careful as these posts aren’t as anonymous as you think.
As one of those trashy ex admins no sorry. I ran our team like clockwork the board folks I dealt with even said so. Guy who replaced me when I fought the status quo and refused to be associated with it again has done well too and agrees the program is garbage.

People who dismiss what we the admins or ex admins say are the problem. Nash can't be everywhere. The trainers don't see or hear everything. We the admins are the direct link between the kids their parents and their pulse on what they feel and want. So you might want to listen to them. We know more than any board member because we're in the trenches.

We are also the customers. So when we tell you our parents are concerned with the pressure for full year soccer is not a good thing or that crating two teams of skeleton crews which causes most kids to play 50+ games in a year is bad maybe listen.

There are people who have studied what creates burn out and dropping if sports. Stony brook violates literally every single tenet they warn about. It didn't used to be that way as little as 5-6 years ago.

Judging by writing styles and different perspectives and messages you've got close to a dozen people participating here. There are probably 3x that many who feel the same but either don't know about this place or dont speak up.

Choose your fights wisely. You're outnumbered. Badly. If you happen to be a board member you are seeing the end under your watch. Choose wisely.

Either you need to get laid or buy batteries. You Stony Brook parents are pathetic. My kids played at middle country, every time we played you guys we had to be reminded about where we lived. Parents there are trash
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/23/20 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really - this is what the club has come to. Admins going on here talking crap because they didn’t get their way? Grow up and place your name and stop hiding behind keyboard. This is ridiculous.

So people should not be allowed to voice their opinion anonymously but you should be afforded the luxury??? Beginning to see why people have problems with the board there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/23/20 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The difference here is there are bitter ex board members who were throw off the board for cause keeping the hate alive. Couple that with parents of kids who got be teamed and trashy ex team admins and you have your answer as to why this thread stays alive. Some on here should be careful as these posts aren’t as anonymous as you think.
As one of those trashy ex admins no sorry. I ran our team like clockwork the board folks I dealt with even said so. Guy who replaced me when I fought the status quo and refused to be associated with it again has done well too and agrees the program is garbage.

People who dismiss what we the admins or ex admins say are the problem. Nash can't be everywhere. The trainers don't see or hear everything. We the admins are the direct link between the kids their parents and their pulse on what they feel and want. So you might want to listen to them. We know more than any board member because we're in the trenches.

We are also the customers. So when we tell you our parents are concerned with the pressure for full year soccer is not a good thing or that crating two teams of skeleton crews which causes most kids to play 50+ games in a year is bad maybe listen.

There are people who have studied what creates burn out and dropping if sports. Stony brook violates literally every single tenet they warn about. It didn't used to be that way as little as 5-6 years ago.

Judging by writing styles and different perspectives and messages you've got close to a dozen people participating here. There are probably 3x that many who feel the same but either don't know about this place or dont speak up.

Choose your fights wisely. You're outnumbered. Badly. If you happen to be a board member you are seeing the end under your watch. Choose wisely.

Either you need to get laid or buy batteries. You Stony Brook parents are pathetic. My kids played at middle country, every time we played you guys we had to be reminded about where we lived. Parents there are trash


I am a Stony Brook parent and there is nothing wrong with where you live. Please don't think we are all the same.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/23/20 11:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really - this is what the club has come to. Admins going on here talking crap because they didn’t get their way? Grow up and place your name and stop hiding behind keyboard. This is ridiculous.

You can also look at it the other way. Club not responsive to the admins and now are being called out for it.

It depends how you look at that, are they talking to Nash or going to the board? I’ve been told Nash always try’s to hide things from the board so they don’t get the full story. I heard that the board doesn’t care either. Both scenarios suck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/24/20 02:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The difference here is there are bitter ex board members who were throw off the board for cause keeping the hate alive. Couple that with parents of kids who got be teamed and trashy ex team admins and you have your answer as to why this thread stays alive. Some on here should be careful as these posts aren’t as anonymous as you think.
As one of those trashy ex admins no sorry. I ran our team like clockwork the board folks I dealt with even said so. Guy who replaced me when I fought the status quo and refused to be associated with it again has done well too and agrees the program is garbage.

People who dismiss what we the admins or ex admins say are the problem. Nash can't be everywhere. The trainers don't see or hear everything. We the admins are the direct link between the kids their parents and their pulse on what they feel and want. So you might want to listen to them. We know more than any board member because we're in the trenches.

We are also the customers. So when we tell you our parents are concerned with the pressure for full year soccer is not a good thing or that crating two teams of skeleton crews which causes most kids to play 50+ games in a year is bad maybe listen.

There are people who have studied what creates burn out and dropping if sports. Stony brook violates literally every single tenet they warn about. It didn't used to be that way as little as 5-6 years ago.

Judging by writing styles and different perspectives and messages you've got close to a dozen people participating here. There are probably 3x that many who feel the same but either don't know about this place or dont speak up.

Choose your fights wisely. You're outnumbered. Badly. If you happen to be a board member you are seeing the end under your watch. Choose wisely.

Either you need to get laid or buy batteries. You Stony Brook parents are pathetic. My kids played at middle country, every time we played you guys we had to be reminded about where we lived. Parents there are trash
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The difference here is there are bitter ex board members who were throw off the board for cause keeping the hate alive. Couple that with parents of kids who got be teamed and trashy ex team admins and you have your answer as to why this thread stays alive. Some on here should be careful as these posts aren’t as anonymous as you think.
As one of those trashy ex admins no sorry. I ran our team like clockwork the board folks I dealt with even said so. Guy who replaced me when I fought the status quo and refused to be associated with it again has done well too and agrees the program is garbage.

People who dismiss what we the admins or ex admins say are the problem. Nash can't be everywhere. The trainers don't see or hear everything. We the admins are the direct link between the kids their parents and their pulse on what they feel and want. So you might want to listen to them. We know more than any board member because we're in the trenches.

We are also the customers. So when we tell you our parents are concerned with the pressure for full year soccer is not a good thing or that crating two teams of skeleton crews which causes most kids to play 50+ games in a year is bad maybe listen.

There are people who have studied what creates burn out and dropping if sports. Stony brook violates literally every single tenet they warn about. It didn't used to be that way as little as 5-6 years ago.

Judging by writing styles and different perspectives and messages you've got close to a dozen people participating here. There are probably 3x that many who feel the same but either don't know about this place or dont speak up.

Choose your fights wisely. You're outnumbered. Badly. If you happen to be a board member you are seeing the end under your watch. Choose wisely.

Either you need to get laid or buy batteries. You Stony Brook parents are pathetic. My kids played at middle country, every time we played you guys we had to be reminded about where we lived. Parents there are trash

I chuckled at this. We play for a neighboring town and agree stony brook parents are a**holes. I speak for all neighboring towns, we don't want you guys here. Peace & Love
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/24/20 01:22 PM
The merge is working perfectly fine...for board members kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/24/20 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The merge is working perfectly fine...for board members kids.

So Ungrateful. Just be thankful your kid get to share the same fields as Stony Brook Royalty!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/24/20 04:20 PM
years back my sons coach had a stony brook parent call him and threaten him due to a lopsided score. the entitlement is strong in stony brook. this thread is a prime example
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/24/20 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
years back my sons coach had a stony brook parent call him and threaten him due to a lopsided score. the entitlement is strong in stony brook. this thread is a prime example

Imagine being Nash who has to deal with hundreds of these type of parents. Then to make it worse some of these morons are his boss. Whatever he gets paid it is not enough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/24/20 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
years back my sons coach had a stony brook parent call him and threaten him due to a lopsided score. the entitlement is strong in stony brook. this thread is a prime example

Imagine being Nash who has to deal with hundreds of these type of parents. Then to make it worse some of these morons are his boss. Whatever he gets paid it is not enough.

PAID? Why should he get paid? He should pay us for the privilege of coaching our children!

Sincerely,
SB Soccer Club Board of Directors(Well, the ones that matter.)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/25/20 02:23 AM
Board and parents the problem, Nash good guy but obviously controlled by them.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/25/20 04:11 PM
Mark Nash gives all that he has. I admire him a lot as a professional.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/25/20 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Mark Nash gives all that he has. I admire him a lot as a professional.

What ever he gets paid is not enough to deal with hundreds of crazed parents every week.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/25/20 05:17 PM
Stony brook Parents are lunatics. You can tell by this forum and when my sons high school team played ward meleville. this is a few years back and it doesnt look like anything has changed. bunch of loud mouth wimps.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/26/20 03:48 PM
Nash a good role model, but SB parents want to control their own kids play? This why SUSA type programs excel eliminate a lot not all the politics and mommy/daddy control issues. Many kids will leave SB for these reasons and program will be left with these parents and families. Need to let Nash do his job!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/27/20 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nash a good role model, but SB parents want to control their own kids play? This why SUSA type programs excel eliminate a lot not all the politics and mommy/daddy control issues. Many kids will leave SB for these reasons and program will be left with these parents and families. Need to let Nash do his job!

The only job Nash is told to do is place certain board members kids above all others.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/28/20 10:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nash a good role model, but SB parents want to control their own kids play? This why SUSA type programs excel eliminate a lot not all the politics and mommy/daddy control issues. Many kids will leave SB for these reasons and program will be left with these parents and families. Need to let Nash do his job!

The only job Nash is told to do is place certain board members kids above all others.
waaaah waaah
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/29/20 02:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nash a good role model, but SB parents want to control their own kids play? This why SUSA type programs excel eliminate a lot not all the politics and mommy/daddy control issues. Many kids will leave SB for these reasons and program will be left with these parents and families. Need to let Nash do his job!

The only job Nash is told to do is place certain board members kids above all others.
waaaah waaah

So appropriate. Would not expect a coherent response from the board.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/29/20 06:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nash a good role model, but SB parents want to control their own kids play? This why SUSA type programs excel eliminate a lot not all the politics and mommy/daddy control issues. Many kids will leave SB for these reasons and program will be left with these parents and families. Need to let Nash do his job!

The only job Nash is told to do is place certain board members kids above all others.
waaaah waaah

So appropriate. Would not expect a coherent response from the board.


There is a board?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/29/20 08:27 PM
People should just relax. Be grateful your kids can play during these crazy times. Can't be easy for any club to operate nor any Coach to coach. Patience and Perspective are needed now more then ever.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/30/20 01:59 PM
If any parents at Smithtown behaved like SB parents do then they would be told to leave. Our board members do not act like they are royalty either.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/30/20 08:17 PM
I am a SB parent of 2 kids in the club. I have never seen more parents who act like "experts" on a game none of them played. The arrogance is astounding.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 11/30/20 09:04 PM
Smithtown has its own issues. Top poacher on long island and tons of favoritism.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 02:05 AM
SB/KK merge sounds like good time for parents and kiddies? Sounds terrible anyone having fun?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 02:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB/KK merge sounds like good time for parents and kiddies? Sounds terrible anyone having fun?

Worked out perfectly for board members kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 02:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB/KK merge sounds like good time for parents and kiddies? Sounds terrible anyone having fun?

Worked out perfectly for board members kids.

like who? either say who or shut up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am a SB parent of 2 kids in the club. I have never seen more parents who act like "experts" on a game none of them played. The arrogance is astounding.
The arrogance cuts both ways.

Also just because you played, doesn't mean you can coach, or have a clue on how to create an organization with a proper culture.

I never played soccer in my life. But I can coach it to a certain age(no further than u12 as I've done it successfully) but I've also been involved in youth sports for over 20 years at high levels and I know what works, and what doesn't.

The current SB program has no culture. Has no accountability. Has no vision for what it wants to be, or how it is going to serve the kids. That makes it toxic. Culture starts at the top with structure and accountability. There is none of that in this program, so I left.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
years back my sons coach had a stony brook parent call him and threaten him due to a lopsided score. the entitlement is strong in stony brook. this thread is a prime example

Imagine being Nash who has to deal with hundreds of these type of parents. Then to make it worse some of these morons are his boss. Whatever he gets paid it is not enough.
This is a chicken or the egg situation.

Are the parents this way, because of who they are, or are they this way because the club is unresponsive, unaccountable and has no direction or vision that aligns with the vision of kids or customers?

I'd argue that it's a hefty mix of both.

When an entire team comes to him and says 'we don't want this as it's not what we want, nor is it developmentally appropriate' and he shoves it down their throats anyway because he claims to know know better, and ends up woefully wrong...then yes, Mark has EARNED some of the vitriol that he gets.

But, I agree there are a lot of the 'overachiever' crowd that doesn't have a clue what they're doing and how they're damaging their kids and ruining the experience for everyone by their antics.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People should just relax. Be grateful your kids can play during these crazy times. Can't be easy for any club to operate nor any Coach to coach. Patience and Perspective are needed now more then ever.
Most of the complaints are historical.

But I hate the argument that people should be grateful for accepting [****] to eat. The club, the trainers etc should be grateful people are paying them good money to do a job they love.

It's a privilege to coach great kids. It's a privilege to usher a child from their first games, all the way to collegiate sport or just on to the beer leagues and nurture their love of sport. It is a privilege to be a part of a great team, or teams.

What is not a privilege is having people whose intentions are ill, and not for the kids, ruin a kid's love of sport. Or have parents seed their kid's brains with BS about their greatness and their teammate's not so greatness at young ages. Or people playing politics, cliques, etc. Again...it's about culture. If the culture was to retain as many kids as possible and foster a love of sport, that would be great. But that's not the case. Hasn't been for a few years.

Damned sure used to be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB/KK merge sounds like good time for parents and kiddies? Sounds terrible anyone having fun?

Worked out perfectly for board members kids.

like who? either say who or shut up

You know who. If you board members actually talked to the members you would know how they feel. Oh, and I won't shut up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 03:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
years back my sons coach had a stony brook parent call him and threaten him due to a lopsided score. the entitlement is strong in stony brook. this thread is a prime example

Imagine being Nash who has to deal with hundreds of these type of parents. Then to make it worse some of these morons are his boss. Whatever he gets paid it is not enough.
This is a chicken or the egg situation.

Are the parents this way, because of who they are, or are they this way because the club is unresponsive, unaccountable and has no direction or vision that aligns with the vision of kids or customers?

I'd argue that it's a hefty mix of both.

When an entire team comes to him and says 'we don't want this as it's not what we want, nor is it developmentally appropriate' and he shoves it down their throats anyway because he claims to know know better, and ends up woefully wrong...then yes, Mark has EARNED some of the vitriol that he gets.

But, I agree there are a lot of the 'overachiever' crowd that doesn't have a clue what they're doing and how they're damaging their kids and ruining the experience for everyone by their antics.

Your points are all valid. This is where the Board needs to do their job. Set out an appropriate vision for the whole club, not just the top players. They need to step in well before a team is thinking about leaving the club and try to work it out. Give Nash precise direction/plan and give him the support needed to execute.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People should just relax. Be grateful your kids can play during these crazy times. Can't be easy for any club to operate nor any Coach to coach. Patience and Perspective are needed now more then ever.
Most of the complaints are historical.

But I hate the argument that people should be grateful for accepting [****] to eat. The club, the trainers etc should be grateful people are paying them good money to do a job they love.

It's a privilege to coach great kids. It's a privilege to usher a child from their first games, all the way to collegiate sport or just on to the beer leagues and nurture their love of sport. It is a privilege to be a part of a great team, or teams.

What is not a privilege is having people whose intentions are ill, and not for the kids, ruin a kid's love of sport. Or have parents seed their kid's brains with BS about their greatness and their teammate's not so greatness at young ages. Or people playing politics, cliques, etc. Again...it's about culture. If the culture was to retain as many kids as possible and foster a love of sport, that would be great. But that's not the case. Hasn't been for a few years.

Damned sure used to be.

Yes the culture was to foster a love for the sport for all players, not just the top. The board was always the stop gap that protected the club. Sad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
People should just relax. Be grateful your kids can play during these crazy times. Can't be easy for any club to operate nor any Coach to coach. Patience and Perspective are needed now more then ever.
Most of the complaints are historical.

But I hate the argument that people should be grateful for accepting [****] to eat. The club, the trainers etc should be grateful people are paying them good money to do a job they love.

It's a privilege to coach great kids. It's a privilege to usher a child from their first games, all the way to collegiate sport or just on to the beer leagues and nurture their love of sport. It is a privilege to be a part of a great team, or teams.

What is not a privilege is having people whose intentions are ill, and not for the kids, ruin a kid's love of sport. Or have parents seed their kid's brains with BS about their greatness and their teammate's not so greatness at young ages. Or people playing politics, cliques, etc. Again...it's about culture. If the culture was to retain as many kids as possible and foster a love of sport, that would be great. But that's not the case. Hasn't been for a few years.

Damned sure used to be.

Not only a love for the sport but of community pride. So many valuable experiences being lost between how this club has been run the past few years and Covid this year. Hopefully we can get it back but it will be something the members need to demand. The further away from those days we get the less likely it will happen.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB/KK merge sounds like good time for parents and kiddies? Sounds terrible anyone having fun?

Worked out perfectly for board members kids.

like who? either say who or shut up

You know who. If you board members actually talked to the members you would know how they feel. Oh, and I won't shut up.

I am not a board member nor do I belong to the club. Im just watching this train wreck. You stony brook people are funny. If you had any guts you would open your mouth, but you dont. You're spineless. Just like the stupid comments your parents make on the sidelines when we play you when you're confronted you clam up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 05:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SB/KK merge sounds like good time for parents and kiddies? Sounds terrible anyone having fun?

Worked out perfectly for board members kids.

like who? either say who or shut up

You know who. If you board members actually talked to the members you would know how they feel. Oh, and I won't shut up.

I am not a board member nor do I belong to the club. Im just watching this train wreck. You stony brook people are funny. If you had any guts you would open your mouth, but you dont. You're spineless. Just like the stupid comments your parents make on the sidelines when we play you when you're confronted you clam up.

So you have no vested interest in the club and no first hand experience with the club but yet you are on here telling people what to do. How do you know people haven't spoken up? Are you clairvoyant?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 06:44 PM
reading this is all the experience I need. you are a bunch of cowards. we do have friends in the club and the only issue they ever had were with parents and the entitlement they have. there are a few stony brook parents where we play now, please take them back. all the same
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
reading this is all the experience I need. you are a bunch of cowards. we do have friends in the club and the only issue they ever had were with parents and the entitlement they have. there are a few stony brook parents where we play now, please take them back. all the same

So you admit you don't know if anyone in the club has spoken up. Got it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 10:46 PM
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/01/20 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.

I have another idea. Get active and take the club back. My kid is done this year so we are out. Best of luck.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/02/20 01:46 AM
More SUSA players next year...SUSA killing it getting all these clubs mismanaged players and parents
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/02/20 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
More SUSA players next year...SUSA killing it getting all these clubs mismanaged players and parents

Because SUSA is managed so well? hahahaha
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/03/20 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.

I have another idea. Get active and take the club back. My kid is done this year so we are out. Best of luck.

If they ever hold elections again.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/03/20 07:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.

I have another idea. Get active and take the club back. My kid is done this year so we are out. Best of luck.

If they ever hold elections again.

Every club has bylaws and they are posted on the club website. If elections have not been publicly posted and announced, then something is wrong. Challenge the board. If enough people are fed up, then you can get changes made. Otherwise your going to be stuck posting and complaining on BOTN which does zero for your cause.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/03/20 09:04 PM
Not the original poster but I believe half the board is up for election every year. Board member terms last 2 years. Looks.like elections are to be held every June. That's how I read the by-laws.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/04/20 03:47 AM
Not the original poster but I believe the Director of Coaching is up for his/ her contract to be renewed every year. The DOC terms lasts 1 year. Looks like the DOC contract to be held every June. That's how I read the by-laws.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/04/20 02:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not the original poster but I believe the Director of Coaching is up for his/ her contract to be renewed every year. The DOC terms lasts 1 year. Looks like the DOC contract to be held every June. That's how I read the by-laws.

I have read the by-laws. Where do you see that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/04/20 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not the original poster but I believe the Director of Coaching is up for his/ her contract to be renewed every year. The DOC terms lasts 1 year. Looks like the DOC contract to be held every June. That's how I read the by-laws.

I have read the by-laws. Where do you see that?

It doesn't. Article one pertains to 1 year the executive board positions such as President, VP, Treasurer. Secretary, Director of Travel, Director of Comm Relations, Director of Intramurals, Director of Registration and Director of Equipment and Facilities.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/04/20 04:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not the original poster but I believe the Director of Coaching is up for his/ her contract to be renewed every year. The DOC terms lasts 1 year. Looks like the DOC contract to be held every June. That's how I read the by-laws.

I have read the by-laws. Where do you see that?

He is making it up. Obviously is anti Nash. SB soccer parents are the worst. The whole culture has changed. Remarkably sad how far the club has fallen in a few short years.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/04/20 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not the original poster but I believe the Director of Coaching is up for his/ her contract to be renewed every year. The DOC terms lasts 1 year. Looks like the DOC contract to be held every June. That's how I read the by-laws.

I have read the by-laws. Where do you see that?

I have also read the bylaws and it is not in there. What would they lie about this? What is the point?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/04/20 09:12 PM
Guess the Board is just another version of politicians. If they really knew how some of them are viewed in the community maybe they would care.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/04/20 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Guess the Board is just another version of politicians. If they really knew how some of them are viewed in the community maybe they would care.

Hahaha! That is funny that you think they care.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/04/20 11:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.
I'm one of the more vocal contributors in this thread and that's what we did. Moved to Smithtown and my kid could not be happier.

As parents were happier too. No snark. No agendas we can find as of yet and I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake.

It's not perfect. There are issues but my kid loves to play and my kids teammates have been kind supportive and welcoming considering my kid is new and not from their district.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/05/20 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.
I'm one of the more vocal contributors in this thread and that's what we did. Moved to Smithtown and my kid could not be happier.

As parents were happier too. No snark. No agendas we can find as of yet and I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake.

It's not perfect. There are issues but my kid loves to play and my kids teammates have been kind supportive and welcoming considering my kid is new and not from their district.

Eye rolls? Are your really posting on this board worrying about things like that? It seems like you are transferring your issues and insecurities onto your kid. And that's not a good thing. Focus on working with your kid to become a better player and dealing with some issues that are present in all sports. But posting this nonsense on here (like anybody cares that your kid is out of the district) only shows that your are the problem; not your kid.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/05/20 03:14 PM
This is a public forum about what is wrong at the club so why shouldn't they post about their experience? What makes you the authority on what can and should be posted?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/05/20 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.
I'm one of the more vocal contributors in this thread and that's what we did. Moved to Smithtown and my kid could not be happier.

As parents were happier too. No snark. No agendas we can find as of yet and I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake.

It's not perfect. There are issues but my kid loves to play and my kids teammates have been kind supportive and welcoming considering my kid is new and not from their district.

Eye rolls? Are your really posting on this board worrying about things like that? It seems like you are transferring your issues and insecurities onto your kid. And that's not a good thing. Focus on working with your kid to become a better player and dealing with some issues that are present in all sports. But posting this nonsense on here (like anybody cares that your kid is out of the district) only shows that your are the problem; not your kid.

Eye Rolls??? You must be one of those ARROGANT board members. You guys keep proving it over and over.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/05/20 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a public forum about what is wrong at the club so why shouldn't they post about their experience? What makes you the authority on what can and should be posted?

This is the issue with soccer in this country. The parents consistently cause issues and dictate the feelings of their kids. You can post what you want but have some self-respect too. You are an adult - worrying about somebody rolling their eyes is silly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/05/20 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.
I'm one of the more vocal contributors in this thread and that's what we did. Moved to Smithtown and my kid could not be happier.

As parents were happier too. No snark. No agendas we can find as of yet and I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake.

It's not perfect. There are issues but my kid loves to play and my kids teammates have been kind supportive and welcoming considering my kid is new and not from their district.

Eye rolls? Are your really posting on this board worrying about things like that? It seems like you are transferring your issues and insecurities onto your kid. And that's not a good thing. Focus on working with your kid to become a better player and dealing with some issues that are present in all sports. But posting this nonsense on here (like anybody cares that your kid is out of the district) only shows that your are the problem; not your kid.

Eye Rolls??? You must be one of those ARROGANT board members. You guys keep proving it over and over.

Come on be fair. They are working hard. After all it is not easy to destroy an institution that's been around for decades.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/05/20 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.
I'm one of the more vocal contributors in this thread and that's what we did. Moved to Smithtown and my kid could not be happier.

As parents were happier too. No snark. No agendas we can find as of yet and I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake.

It's not perfect. There are issues but my kid loves to play and my kids teammates have been kind supportive and welcoming considering my kid is new and not from their district.

Eye rolls? Are your really posting on this board worrying about things like that? It seems like you are transferring your issues and insecurities onto your kid. And that's not a good thing. Focus on working with your kid to become a better player and dealing with some issues that are present in all sports. But posting this nonsense on here (like anybody cares that your kid is out of the district) only shows that your are the problem; not your kid.

Clearly you've not been paying attention or are one of the offenders of this. Eye rolls lead to what? Parents talking about other kids with other parents and with their own kids or when other kids are near. Kids look to their parents and other adults on how to act behave and treat other people and follow accordingly.

It's no surprise that the offending parents in my experience their kids are the ones who marginalize the other kids because they get it from their parents!

Quit being so obtuse or purposefully ignorant. If you are then as I said you're one of the offenders of this behavior.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/05/20 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.
I'm one of the more vocal contributors in this thread and that's what we did. Moved to Smithtown and my kid could not be happier.

As parents were happier too. No snark. No agendas we can find as of yet and I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake.

It's not perfect. There are issues but my kid loves to play and my kids teammates have been kind supportive and welcoming considering my kid is new and not from their district.

Eye rolls? Are your really posting on this board worrying about things like that? It seems like you are transferring your issues and insecurities onto your kid. And that's not a good thing. Focus on working with your kid to become a better player and dealing with some issues that are present in all sports. But posting this nonsense on here (like anybody cares that your kid is out of the district) only shows that your are the problem; not your kid.

Rolling your eyes at someone's point of view is very arrogant and condescending. Myst be a board member.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/05/20 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.
I'm one of the more vocal contributors in this thread and that's what we did. Moved to Smithtown and my kid could not be happier.

As parents were happier too. No snark. No agendas we can find as of yet and I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake.

It's not perfect. There are issues but my kid loves to play and my kids teammates have been kind supportive and welcoming considering my kid is new and not from their district.

Eye rolls? Are your really posting on this board worrying about things like that? It seems like you are transferring your issues and insecurities onto your kid. And that's not a good thing. Focus on working with your kid to become a better player and dealing with some issues that are present in all sports. But posting this nonsense on here (like anybody cares that your kid is out of the district) only shows that your are the problem; not your kid.

Rolling your eyes at someone's point of view is very arrogant and condescending. Myst be a board member.

Call it what you want. And I am not a Board member but who cares if I was one. The message is still the same and relevant. But just think about what was said and have some self-respect. Worrying about that type of nonsense is silly. And anybody who worries about "eye rolling" probably should have their kid in intramural soccer. Or they should have a little more confidence in their kid's abilities. Because if an eye-roll makes you believe that your kid isn't good enough or bothers you, well then maybe you should focus on why that is happening. Just don't transfer it to your kid. That's the worst part of what you are doing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/06/20 12:25 AM
What a false argument. Nobody was "worried" about your eye rolling they were calling you out for your arrogance. Nobody was talking about their kids ability either. Your just trying to deflect. Dishonest piece of [****]. No doubt your a board member now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/06/20 02:13 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a false argument. Nobody was "worried" about your eye rolling they were calling you out for your arrogance. Nobody was talking about their kids ability either. Your just trying to deflect. Dishonest piece of [****]. No doubt your a board member now.

Your post shows your lack of understanding. It wasn't my eye rolling. I referred to the "eye rolling" comment from the initial post. I am not sure if you know how this works but let me explain it to you - people post and others respond. I responded to this, "I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake." So your entire post is misplaced and misdirected. And to be clear, I am not a Board member and my kid doesn't even play for this crappy club. But I made it clear that the message is the same whether I was a Board member or not - you people are screwing up your kids with your insecurities and nonsense. I have seen it for years with other parents and you are no different. To be clear, this all relates to the ability of the kids. If your kid was better, this wouldn't be an issue. And it doesn't mean that your kid is bad. As a parent, just accept what your kid is - stop trying to make him something that he is not and blaming the team, the players or the other parents for why your child isn't where you want him to be. That's the message and no matter what you say, it's the truth.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/06/20 03:09 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a false argument. Nobody was "worried" about your eye rolling they were calling you out for your arrogance. Nobody was talking about their kids ability either. Your just trying to deflect. Dishonest piece of [****]. No doubt your a board member now.

Your post shows your lack of understanding. It wasn't my eye rolling. I referred to the "eye rolling" comment from the initial post. I am not sure if you know how this works but let me explain it to you - people post and others respond. I responded to this, "I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake." So your entire post is misplaced and misdirected. And to be clear, I am not a Board member and my kid doesn't even play for this crappy club. But I made it clear that the message is the same whether I was a Board member or not - you people are screwing up your kids with your insecurities and nonsense. I have seen it for years with other parents and you are no different. To be clear, this all relates to the ability of the kids. If your kid was better, this wouldn't be an issue. And it doesn't mean that your kid is bad. As a parent, just accept what your kid is - stop trying to make him something that he is not and blaming the team, the players or the other parents for why your child isn't where you want him to be. That's the message and no matter what you say, it's the truth.


So I guess your kid got cut from this "crappy club" while mine plays on the top team in her age group. No wonder you are an angry troll. Your the parent that everyone avoids on the sideline.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/06/20 03:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a false argument. Nobody was "worried" about your eye rolling they were calling you out for your arrogance. Nobody was talking about their kids ability either. Your just trying to deflect. Dishonest piece of [****]. No doubt your a board member now.

Your post shows your lack of understanding. It wasn't my eye rolling. I referred to the "eye rolling" comment from the initial post. I am not sure if you know how this works but let me explain it to you - people post and others respond. I responded to this, "I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake." So your entire post is misplaced and misdirected. And to be clear, I am not a Board member and my kid doesn't even play for this crappy club. But I made it clear that the message is the same whether I was a Board member or not - you people are screwing up your kids with your insecurities and nonsense. I have seen it for years with other parents and you are no different. To be clear, this all relates to the ability of the kids. If your kid was better, this wouldn't be an issue. And it doesn't mean that your kid is bad. As a parent, just accept what your kid is - stop trying to make him something that he is not and blaming the team, the players or the other parents for why your child isn't where you want him to be. That's the message and no matter what you say, it's the truth.


So I guess your kid got cut from this "crappy club" while mine plays on the top team in her age group. No wonder you are an angry troll. Your the parent that everyone avoids on the sideline.

Bingo! You are so right about me. Congrats to your daughter. She seems to have a great role model and a bright future with your guidance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/07/20 01:46 PM
Were there annual board elections in June?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/08/20 09:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So I guess your kid got cut from this "crappy club" while mine plays on the top team in her age group. No wonder you are an angry troll. Your the parent that everyone avoids on the sideline.


Boom. Found the example of what I was talking about. This is the eyeroll type parent. So busy competing with other adults using their kid.

Top team. Wow bruh. Do you think that's indicative of the quality of your DNA? Your parenting? How awesome your kid is? Because it's not. Today your kid's on a top team. Big freaking deal. As the talent funnel tightens your kid probably will be one of the cut kids.

Those of us who played high level sports would never, ever state the above. FWIW, my kid last year played on both teams at the age group, playing 75% or more of minutes. I couldn't give a rat's ass about that because she was unhappy because of people like you who plague youth sports. So we moved on. So glad to be rid of people like you. Go post your highlight clips to Facebook and live vicariously through your kid. Bye Felicia.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/08/20 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
After reading this I have some advice to the parents that are not happy. I left one town team and went to another team and it was the best move. Go to a team that has all the things that you are looking for. Talk it over with your kids and if they are not happy also,start contacting other clubs. Better to do something about the problem than complaining or arguing with people on BOTN.
I'm one of the more vocal contributors in this thread and that's what we did. Moved to Smithtown and my kid could not be happier.

As parents were happier too. No snark. No agendas we can find as of yet and I haven't seen a person roll their eyes if my kid or any kid makes a mistake.

It's not perfect. There are issues but my kid loves to play and my kids teammates have been kind supportive and welcoming considering my kid is new and not from their district.

Eye rolls? Are your really posting on this board worrying about things like that? It seems like you are transferring your issues and insecurities onto your kid. And that's not a good thing. Focus on working with your kid to become a better player and dealing with some issues that are present in all sports. But posting this nonsense on here (like anybody cares that your kid is out of the district) only shows that your are the problem; not your kid.

Rolling your eyes at someone's point of view is very arrogant and condescending. Myst be a board member.

Call it what you want. And I am not a Board member but who cares if I was one. The message is still the same and relevant. But just think about what was said and have some self-respect. Worrying about that type of nonsense is silly. And anybody who worries about "eye rolling" probably should have their kid in intramural soccer. Or they should have a little more confidence in their kid's abilities. Because if an eye-roll makes you believe that your kid isn't good enough or bothers you, well then maybe you should focus on why that is happening. Just don't transfer it to your kid. That's the worst part of what you are doing.


Seeing how it's directed at me, here's the deal. I don't talk to my kid about anything about my kid's sports. Unlike you I don't live vicariously through my kid. Soccer is my kid's thing. Not mine. If my kid wanted to play competitive tiddly winks I'd be there to support them, and have the same response. None. I don't give a crap if my kid scores, plays well or plays bad. I care that my kid is learning, growing and having fun. Period full stop. Hell my kid yells at me because I don't cheer when they score, or win. Truth is I want my kid to do well, but at the end of the day I don't care, as I have nothing invested.

I don't work with my kid, because I'm not playing! They are! They need to work. They need to grind. They need to seek opportunities to be better and grow on their own. If they ask me to help with something I will help.

The issue with the eye roll is this. Said eye rolling parent then gets in the car and complains about the kids they think aren't good in front of their own kid. See they're the ones transferring. So their kid thinks, well mom and dad think it's OK to think this kid sucks so I'm ok with thinking that and treating the kid that way.

If you want to be a douchebag parent that's your right. I'll just keep calling you a douchebag parent and all the parents who played high level sports...yeah, we all think you're a douchebag parent. We just humor you by not saying it to your face.

You can go over every single post I make here, sadly it's all anonymous because I don't give a crap, and they all have one consistent thread. It's about the kids. It's not about the adults. The game goes on a lot better when they're aren't parents involved. In Europe they're seeing this and seeing some amazing things happening that only occur in the vacuum of overbearing douchebag parents. Teamwork, caring, helping, communication, sharing, lifting each other up rather than rolling your eyes and bad talking about other kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/09/20 10:02 AM
Seeing how it's directed at me, here's the deal. I don't talk to my kid about anything about my kid's sports. Unlike you I don't live vicariously through my kid. Soccer is my kid's thing. Not mine. If my kid wanted to play competitive tiddly winks I'd be there to support them, and have the same response. None. I don't give a crap if my kid scores, plays well or plays bad. I care that my kid is learning, growing and having fun. Period full stop. Hell my kid yells at me because I don't cheer when they score, or win. Truth is I want my kid to do well, but at the end of the day I don't care, as I have nothing invested.

I don't work with my kid, because I'm not playing! They are! They need to work. They need to grind. They need to seek opportunities to be better and grow on their own. If they ask me to help with something I will help.

The issue with the eye roll is this. Said eye rolling parent then gets in the car and complains about the kids they think aren't good in front of their own kid. See they're the ones transferring. So their kid thinks, well mom and dad think it's OK to think this kid sucks so I'm ok with thinking that and treating the kid that way.

If you want to be a douchebag parent that's your right. I'll just keep calling you a douchebag parent and all the parents who played high level sports...yeah, we all think you're a douchebag parent. We just humor you by not saying it to your face.

You can go over every single post I make here, sadly it's all anonymous because I don't give a crap, and they all have one consistent thread. It's about the kids. It's not about the adults. The game goes on a lot better when they're aren't parents involved. In Europe they're seeing this and seeing some amazing things happening that only occur in the vacuum of overbearing douchebag parents. Teamwork, caring, helping, communication, sharing, lifting each other up rather than rolling your eyes and bad talking about other kids.[/quote]

Listen, not everybody in life will think your kid is great, nice or special. That's life; not just soccer. Worrying about a purely hypothetical situation (since of course you aren't in the car with them) is simply unnecessary and only shows your insecurities. How can you teach your kid to be confident if you aren't confident enough not to think about the subjective mindset of another parent? And even if one kid thinks another kid "sucks" as you say, does that mean the whole team will? Cmon now - stop over-generalizing everything and creating issues when none exist. That is what your whole post is about. And at the end of this supposed quest for happiness, you will only make you and your kid neurotic.

P.S. - The "no cheering" and "not caring" badge on your sleeve probably comes across as snobby and condescending to the other parents. Your kid obviously sees it too since you say your kid yells at you. Give some thought to the message you are sending by doing that to all involved, especially your kid. The answer you come up with will show you some things about yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/09/20 01:32 PM
If this was a real merge why is it taking so long to find out if our team is getting any indoor time at KK for the winter? Shouldn't this been guaranteed just like KK using our fields for their teams? The board needs to do their job and protect the club and the interest of all our teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/09/20 02:35 PM
You should ask your biggest fan MN. He plans this stuff.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/09/20 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You should ask your biggest fan MN. He plans this stuff.

Why is Nash my biggest fan? Shouldn't things like sharing fields and indoor space been outlined in any merger plan the board would have had to approve?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/09/20 04:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You should ask your biggest fan MN. He plans this stuff.

Why is Nash my biggest fan? Shouldn't things like sharing fields and indoor space been outlined in any merger plan the board would have had to approve?

You would think that would be the case but many of us do not expect anything from the board anymore. This "merger" has just benefitted KK kids and a small fraction of our kids and we all know who they are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/09/20 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You should ask your biggest fan MN. He plans this stuff.

Why is Nash my biggest fan? Shouldn't things like sharing fields and indoor space been outlined in any merger plan the board would have had to approve?

You would think that would be the case but many of us do not expect anything from the board anymore. This "merger" has just benefitted KK kids and a small fraction of our kids and we all know who they are.

I have a little bit different take. Since it relates to travel teams shouldn't this be handled by the Travel Committee?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/09/20 07:10 PM
I believe part of the problem may be the COVID restrictions for indoor training...and the fact that COVID numbers are rising again and may shut things down again for indoor play. If only 20 are allowed at a time in indoor facilities it limits which teams can train and (especially difficult for StonyBrook parents) does not allow parents to watch. I know some of the teams are looking to train indoor at SBU because their indoor facility is so state of the art, it is not considered an indoor facility and therefore is not held to the same restrictions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/09/20 09:45 PM
As a "Partner" shouldn't we have first crack at rental space from KK? Of course we will pay. If other clubs or sports get field space before us then this merger is BS.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/09/20 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a "Partner" shouldn't we have first crack at rental space from KK? Of course we will pay. If other clubs or sports get field space before us then this merger is BS.

I can't imagine that the indoor places will be open for long.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/10/20 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a "Partner" shouldn't we have first crack at rental space from KK? Of course we will pay. If other clubs or sports get field space before us then this merger is BS.

I can't imagine that the indoor places will be open for long.

Agreed but if there was really a merger them our teams would be training at KK as soon as they turned the lights off at the P-Lot.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/10/20 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a "Partner" shouldn't we have first crack at rental space from KK? Of course we will pay. If other clubs or sports get field space before us then this merger is BS.

I can't imagine that the indoor places will be open for long.

Agreed but if there was really a merger them our teams would be training at KK as soon as they turned the lights off at the P-Lot.

I was told that Stony Brook has use and is using the indoor facility on campus. Can anyone confirm that is happening?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/10/20 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a "Partner" shouldn't we have first crack at rental space from KK? Of course we will pay. If other clubs or sports get field space before us then this merger is BS.

I can't imagine that the indoor places will be open for long.

Agreed but if there was really a merger them our teams would be training at KK as soon as they turned the lights off at the P-Lot.

I was told that Stony Brook has use and is using the indoor facility on campus. Can anyone confirm that is happening?

Our team is supposed to start training there next week but no word on or if we get anytime at KK yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/10/20 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a "Partner" shouldn't we have first crack at rental space from KK? Of course we will pay. If other clubs or sports get field space before us then this merger is BS.

I can't imagine that the indoor places will be open for long.

Agreed but if there was really a merger them our teams would be training at KK as soon as they turned the lights off at the P-Lot.

I was told that Stony Brook has use and is using the indoor facility on campus. Can anyone confirm that is happening?

Our team is supposed to start training there next week but no word on or if we get anytime at KK yet.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/10/20 09:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a "Partner" shouldn't we have first crack at rental space from KK? Of course we will pay. If other clubs or sports get field space before us then this merger is BS.

I can't imagine that the indoor places will be open for long.

Agreed but if there was really a merger them our teams would be training at KK as soon as they turned the lights off at the P-Lot.

I was told that Stony Brook has use and is using the indoor facility on campus. Can anyone confirm that is happening?

Our team is supposed to start training there next week but no word on or if we get anytime at KK yet.

My kid's friend who still plays SB has practiced at KK already.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/10/20 11:53 PM
Probably a SB Atletico team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/11/20 12:52 PM
Just stop the nonsense. Do your job and quit blaming others for your consistent mistakes and shortcomings.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/11/20 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just stop the nonsense. Do your job and quit blaming others for your consistent mistakes and shortcomings.

???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/11/20 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just stop the nonsense. Do your job and quit blaming others for your consistent mistakes and shortcomings.

???

Saying you are MN. lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/12/20 12:11 AM
All I know is Nash and his trainers have done more for my kids then any board member who only cares about the top players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/13/20 03:28 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All I know is Nash and his trainers have done more for my kids then any board member who only cares about the top players.

Sure! That’s a good one.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/13/20 02:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All I know is Nash and his trainers have done more for my kids then any board member who only cares about the top players.

Sure! That’s a good one.

They taught my kids. Why shouldn't they get the recognition? If you don't like them then that is your prerogative. Why be obnoxious?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/13/20 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All I know is Nash and his trainers have done more for my kids then any board member who only cares about the top players.

Sure! That’s a good one.

They taught my kids. Why shouldn't they get the recognition? If you don't like them then that is your prerogative. Why be obnoxious?

I personally know that there are board members that actually care about this club and not their own kids, or the top level. On the other hand if there wasn’t a board here now and Mark had free reign to do what he wants there would be no club. If you feel the board is there for the own personal benefit then call them out and be done with it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/13/20 04:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All I know is Nash and his trainers have done more for my kids then any board member who only cares about the top players.

Sure! That’s a good one.

They taught my kids. Why shouldn't they get the recognition? If you don't like them then that is your prerogative. Why be obnoxious?

It is a required trait in order to be a board member at the club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/13/20 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All I know is Nash and his trainers have done more for my kids then any board member who only cares about the top players.

Sure! That’s a good one.

They taught my kids. Why shouldn't they get the recognition? If you don't like them then that is your prerogative. Why be obnoxious?

I personally know that there are board members that actually care about this club and not their own kids, or the top level. On the other hand if there wasn’t a board here now and Mark had free reign to do what he wants there would be no club. If you feel the board is there for the own personal benefit then call them out and be done with it.

Agree but they are not in the leadership role or the majority.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/13/20 07:19 PM
So what were the results of the board elections?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/14/20 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what were the results of the board elections?

When were elections?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/14/20 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what were the results of the board elections?

They cannot even update their website with current team information and you expect them to hold elections?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/16/20 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what were the results of the board elections?

They cannot even update their website with current team information and you expect them to hold elections?

What no response from board members? Typical from this group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/16/20 08:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what were the results of the board elections?

They cannot even update their website with current team information and you expect them to hold elections?

Have no expectations and you won't be disappointed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/17/20 03:52 PM
The SBU indoor turf field is awesome. Have to give the club credit for getting us in there.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/18/20 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The SBU indoor turf field is awesome. Have to give the club credit for getting us in there.

Does Stony Brook Soccer Club get a break from SBU on turf rental?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/21/20 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what were the results of the board elections?

They cannot even update their website with current team information and you expect them to hold elections?

What no response from board members? Typical from this group.

Games were played, practices were held and yet the club couldn't have board elections?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/22/20 08:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what were the results of the board elections?

They cannot even update their website with current team information and you expect them to hold elections?

What no response from board members? Typical from this group.

Games were played, practices were held and yet the club couldn't have board elections?

It is called a coup.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/23/20 02:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what were the results of the board elections?

They cannot even update their website with current team information and you expect them to hold elections?

What no response from board members? Typical from this group.

Games were played, practices were held and yet the club couldn't have board elections?

It is called a coup.

Does anyone know who was up for re-election?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 12/24/20 06:12 PM
If the merge is not working then I would imagine both parties would go their own ways. Having said that I don't think you can make any type of judgement yet due to the unforeseen circumstances everyone is dealing with this year. We need a little more understanding and compassion. Everyone at all the clubs should Thank the volunteers/coaches/trainers for what they have done this year. Hopefully we can get back to some sort of normalcy in 2021. Happy Holidays to All!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/06/21 02:29 PM
The merge is working just fine from what I can tell. Between KK and the university we have plenty of indoor space, very good trainers from both clubs and a board that is doing the best they can during the Covid crisis.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/06/21 06:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The merge is working just fine from what I can tell. Between KK and the university we have plenty of indoor space, very good trainers from both clubs and a board that is doing the best they can during the Covid crisis.

If anything I think the club and coaches have done an amazing job given the pandemic crisis. It is one of the few outlets our kids have. At least that has been our experience.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/13/21 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The merge is working just fine from what I can tell. Between KK and the university we have plenty of indoor space, very good trainers from both clubs and a board that is doing the best they can during the Covid crisis.

If anything I think the club and coaches have done an amazing job given the pandemic crisis. It is one of the few outlets our kids have. At least that has been our experience.

We have been with the club for 5 years. The amount of training this off season has been a nice distraction for our kids. Just the fact that they have something positive to look forward to is helpful mentally as well as the physical aspect of training. I am sure there are other clubs doing the same and they should be commended as well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/19/21 04:34 PM
KK KIDS DONT SEEM HAPPY WITH THE MERGE AND FUTURE. HEARING MANY MIGHT BE LEAVING? RIDING THE WAVE!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/20/21 12:20 AM
Who’s leaving? The clown that started at KK- went to Susa then LGN then back to Stony Brook Atletico. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/20/21 02:41 AM
Oh you mean that clown should stay playing on a team where parents talk trash about other 12 year olds saying they suck and continue on their rampage by talking negative while another parent is sitting right in front of him. And in the middle of games yell at their kids coach who they don’t like due to the merger and at the same time making a 12 year old subbing in feel like crap. Oh yeah that’s the team I want my kid to stay with. Toxic parents ruin teams. I want my kid to know what sportsmanship is, an important life lesson of playing a team sport that will help them in life.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/20/21 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh you mean that clown should stay playing on a team where parents talk trash about other 12 year olds saying they suck and continue on their rampage by talking negative while another parent is sitting right in front of him. And in the middle of games yell at their kids coach who they don’t like due to the merger and at the same time making a 12 year old subbing in feel like crap. Oh yeah that’s the team I want my kid to stay with. Toxic parents ruin teams. I want my kid to know what sportsmanship is, an important life lesson of playing a team sport that will help them in life.

A few of the parents need to go. I have never seen anything like it AND I have been around for a very longgggg time!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/20/21 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh you mean that clown should stay playing on a team where parents talk trash about other 12 year olds saying they suck and continue on their rampage by talking negative while another parent is sitting right in front of him. And in the middle of games yell at their kids coach who they don’t like due to the merger and at the same time making a 12 year old subbing in feel like crap. Oh yeah that’s the team I want my kid to stay with. Toxic parents ruin teams. I want my kid to know what sportsmanship is, an important life lesson of playing a team sport that will help them in life.

A few of the parents need to go. I have never seen anything like it AND I have been around for a very longgggg time!

Cj, your club is ran horribly ! Why do you think older/younger families are leaving Atletico left and right ? Parents complain about the way it's run and the trainers suck but your boss does nothing about it or could careless to even attempt a good conversation or solution. Stick to your rentals CJ because your club isn't worth a dime
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/20/21 08:28 PM
Turmoil in Farmingville...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/21/21 12:06 AM
Just one asshole parent!
Posted By: LIRef77 Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/21/21 02:55 PM
As I have said many many times, Clubs have behavior standards but again, rules and standards are great to have but human miscreants are smart enough to know rules and behavior standards are nonsense and not worth the paper they are written on if they are NOT ENFORCED and if there are no CONSEQUENCES!

Here is what is on the Stony Brook FC website-

As a parent of a soccer player it is critical that you model the appropriate behaviors. You are a role model for the young children. Your words and actions will help encourage fair play, good sportsmanship and a friendly competitive soccer environment.

As a parent you are expected to:

Make sure your child attends both practices and games. Attendance and timeliness teach responsibility and foster team spirit
Provide the necessary equipment so your child may play safely; (sunscreen, cleats, shin guards, inflated soccer ball, etc)
Attempt to relieve the pressure of competition ... not to increase it
Applaud good plays by BOTH teams
Accept the results of the game. Recognize improvement.
Follow the rules of the field and the game
Exemplify good behavior.

Therefore if your club is allowing misbehavior as a customer you deserve to question them and ask that they enforce the standards they set!
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/21/21 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh you mean that clown should stay playing on a team where parents talk trash about other 12 year olds saying they suck and continue on their rampage by talking negative while another parent is sitting right in front of him. And in the middle of games yell at their kids coach who they don’t like due to the merger and at the same time making a 12 year old subbing in feel like crap. Oh yeah that’s the team I want my kid to stay with. Toxic parents ruin teams. I want my kid to know what sportsmanship is, an important life lesson of playing a team sport that will help them in life.

A few of the parents need to go. I have never seen anything like it AND I have been around for a very longgggg time!

Cj, your club is ran horribly ! Why do you think older/younger families are leaving Atletico left and right ? Parents complain about the way it's run and the trainers suck but your boss does nothing about it or could careless to even attempt a good conversation or solution. Stick to your rentals CJ because your club isn't worth a dime

Excuse me.. who are you?? I don't owe anything to anonymous. You are probably that venomous person that everyone would love to see hit the road.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/21/21 04:24 PM
KK/Athletico leadership needs to figure out, communicate with parents.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/21/21 05:54 PM
On the contrary CJ. Many have tried to handle the issues properly and have had many discussions on all the the issues with you, your boss (who just nods his head), and the other waste in the office. Just look at the direction off ALL your teams older and younger. I would not recommend Atletico to anybody as that ship has finally sunk.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/21/21 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On the contrary CJ. Many have tried to handle the issues properly and have had many discussions on all the the issues with you, your boss (who just nods his head), and the other waste in the office. Just look at the direction off ALL your teams older and younger. I would not recommend Atletico to anybody as that ship has finally sunk.


Folks, CJ does not have anything to do with Atletico. It is both useless to discuss the club with her or expect her to assist. Deal directly with Kurt.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/21/21 10:23 PM
I was Talking to one of the KK’s parent at a tournament a few weeks ago . I’m so glad he was asked to leave the 09 Susa team. This guy is the biggest pain in the ass with a Napoleon complex. I’m glad he’s with KK instead of us…LMFAO
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/21/21 11:15 PM
MN handled him real well. He’s a team player.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 12:33 AM
Kurt allows Athletico kids to play on SURF? That a slap in the face and disrespectful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 11:59 AM
These are some of the problems when teams merge. Some parents and kids have known each other for many years and built friendships that last a lifetime. Then teams merge, now that crazy parent starts screaming on the sideline and then you get a ball hog that is creating problems for the original team. My team in close proximity went through all those problems and many more. Now your son or daughter looses interest along with their friends and everyone starts pointing fingers. Are teams really better after a merge? Or better yet truly happy. Good luck to everyone caught up in this situation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 12:10 PM
Preview
it doest surprise me that his ok with that. He is a great trainer/coach. He doesnt feel threatened by it . His philosophy is the more soccer the better. Why would it be a slap in the face? Why would he have a problem with that? He trains kids from all clubs regardless of where they play. what does that tell you? It sounds like your jealous or your kid plays for susa . Youve been brainwashed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 12:56 PM
It’s funny how some parents get upset when they themselves do tournaments every year and don’t ask all their teammates but take susa girls, then have the balls to come on here and complain about kids doing tournaments with other clubs. Some people just like to stir the pot and cause trouble and can’t just let these kids play soccer!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 02:26 PM
Just enjoy your kids playing soccer it will end before you know it. Merges are difficult different kids and friends, better to keep a consistent group of kids together.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 02:45 PM
The parents are so toxic that kids actually left the team because MN couldn’t handle putting the toxic parents in their place and keeping control. Typical of his style. So many teams falling apart. Good luck being with this group. His passive aggressive style won’t work here and never did.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 04:14 PM
What team is this?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 05:21 PM
there is only a certain amt he can do . the toxic parent was athleticos responsibility and they didnt do anything about it. thats why we left. Not surprised.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 07:23 PM
We are thinking about moving our kids to Stony Brook. Which team is all this drama on?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We are thinking about moving our kids to Stony Brook. Which team is all this drama on?

Sure you are!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/22/21 11:29 PM
Mark you sure about that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/23/21 10:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mark you sure about that?

Time to go -
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/24/21 03:21 AM
Definitely time for a MN to go
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/25/21 05:55 PM
Bye Bye
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/25/21 07:24 PM
Who is the 2006 coach?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/25/21 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is the 2006 coach?

The 06 Stony Brook team is horrible so who cares and there is no 06 Atletico team but back in the day they were the best in the state
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/25/21 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is the 2006 coach?
Boys or Girls?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/26/21 12:32 AM
If any parents from that 06 atletico team would be so gracious, I’m curious to hear what factors make a team go from best in the state to no longer playing? Was there something a foul at the club or was it due to the enthusiasm just fizzing out?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/26/21 01:31 PM
i bet you , you know exactly why the team broke up and your coming on here to stir up crap. So why dont you do us all a favor and just leave kk. we dong want toxic parents like you. Dont let the door hit you in the ass.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/26/21 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If any parents from that 06 atletico team would be so gracious, I’m curious to hear what factors make a team go from best in the state to no longer playing? Was there something a foul at the club or was it due to the enthusiasm just fizzing out?

Ask Kurty boy what happened. Best team that club ever had. He should've merged with SUSA when he had the chance years ago
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/26/21 04:51 PM
If a child's talent is too good for his current team would a coach pass him along to a better team for more recognition or will a coach be selfish and hold a child's talent back on a lesser team

What kind of coach are you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/27/21 05:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is the 2006 coach?

The 06 Stony Brook team is horrible so who cares and there is no 06 Atletico team but back in the day they were the best in the state

Look we all know that MN screwed up the age group in SB. Then when he promised a better merge with KK he just made things worse. Promised the world to players then back stabbed them. He caused coaches to leave promised parents change and fell flat on his face year after year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/27/21 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who is the 2006 coach?

The 06 Stony Brook team is horrible so who cares and there is no 06 Atletico team but back in the day they were the best in the state

Look we all know that MN screwed up the age group in SB. Then when he promised a better merge with KK he just made things worse. Promised the world to players then back stabbed them. He caused coaches to leave promised parents change and fell flat on his face year after year.


hey toxic parent you need to stop. we all know who you are. you dont like it,you know where the door is.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/28/21 02:30 PM
The team went from very good to playing fundamentally good soccer. We are not a good team but the girls are being taught how to play the game correctly. The team has evolved over the years with girls leaving for other teams where the grass is always greener. Now the other two teams they left for are not good either and no one can showcase their daughters. If the girls had stayed together this would have been one hell of a team. Also MN had nothing to do with this grade breaking up the last few years. Also this team was never number 1 in the state.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/28/21 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The team went from very good to playing fundamentally good soccer. We are not a good team but the girls are being taught how to play the game correctly. The team has evolved over the years with girls leaving for other teams where the grass is always greener. Now the other two teams they left for are not good either and no one can showcase their daughters. If the girls had stayed together this would have been one hell of a team. Also MN had nothing to do with this grade breaking up the last few years. Also this team was never number 1 in the state.

Poster was referring to the boys 06 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/28/21 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The team went from very good to playing fundamentally good soccer. We are not a good team but the girls are being taught how to play the game correctly. The team has evolved over the years with girls leaving for other teams where the grass is always greener. Now the other two teams they left for are not good either and no one can showcase their daughters. If the girls had stayed together this would have been one hell of a team. Also MN had nothing to do with this grade breaking up the last few years. Also this team was never number 1 in the state.

Mark was the exact reason we left. He lied to us caused coaches to leave and players to leave. He was promising a greener lawn here at SB. Mark sat us in a meeting and lied to all all of us about what he was going to do that he never did. Fwn9wvThat’s the truth.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/29/21 01:38 AM
How many years ago did you leave?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/29/21 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How many years ago did you leave?

15 years ago smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/29/21 04:26 PM
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/29/21 06:46 PM
Fake news
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/29/21 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The team went from very good to playing fundamentally good soccer. We are not a good team but the girls are being taught how to play the game correctly. The team has evolved over the years with girls leaving for other teams where the grass is always greener. Now the other two teams they left for are not good either and no one can showcase their daughters. If the girls had stayed together this would have been one hell of a team. Also MN had nothing to do with this grade breaking up the last few years. Also this team was never number 1 in the state.

Mark was the exact reason we left. He lied to us caused coaches to leave and players to leave. He was promising a greener lawn here at SB. Mark sat us in a meeting and lied to all all of us about what he was going to do that he never did. Fwn9wvThat’s the truth.

youre so full of crap.We all know who you are. Its the toxic parent. we have your ip address. You can leave kk , no one is stopping you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/29/21 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The team went from very good to playing fundamentally good soccer. We are not a good team but the girls are being taught how to play the game correctly. The team has evolved over the years with girls leaving for other teams where the grass is always greener. Now the other two teams they left for are not good either and no one can showcase their daughters. If the girls had stayed together this would have been one hell of a team. Also MN had nothing to do with this grade breaking up the last few years. Also this team was never number 1 in the state.

Mark was the exact reason we left. He lied to us caused coaches to leave and players to leave. He was promising a greener lawn here at SB. Mark sat us in a meeting and lied to all all of us about what he was going to do that he never did. Fwn9wvThat’s the truth.

youre so full of crap.We all know who you are. Its the toxic parent. we have your ip address. You can leave kk , no one is stopping you.

Crazy Parents ruin everything. Kids suffer. Disgusting
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/30/21 01:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The team went from very good to playing fundamentally good soccer. We are not a good team but the girls are being taught how to play the game correctly. The team has evolved over the years with girls leaving for other teams where the grass is always greener. Now the other two teams they left for are not good either and no one can showcase their daughters. If the girls had stayed together this would have been one hell of a team. Also MN had nothing to do with this grade breaking up the last few years. Also this team was never number 1 in the state.

Mark was the exact reason we left. He lied to us caused coaches to leave and players to leave. He was promising a greener lawn here at SB. Mark sat us in a meeting and lied to all all of us about what he was going to do that he never did. Fwn9wvThat’s the truth.

youre so full of crap.We all know who you are. Its the toxic parent. we have your ip address. You can leave kk , no one is stopping you.

Crazy Parents ruin everything. Kids suffer. Disgusting

You also need to realize why they become crazy when the DOC consistently lies to parents. It’s not just one person on here bashing MN. It’s across the board reading through these posts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/30/21 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The team went from very good to playing fundamentally good soccer. We are not a good team but the girls are being taught how to play the game correctly. The team has evolved over the years with girls leaving for other teams where the grass is always greener. Now the other two teams they left for are not good either and no one can showcase their daughters. If the girls had stayed together this would have been one hell of a team. Also MN had nothing to do with this grade breaking up the last few years. Also this team was never number 1 in the state.

Mark was the exact reason we left. He lied to us caused coaches to leave and players to leave. He was promising a greener lawn here at SB. Mark sat us in a meeting and lied to all all of us about what he was going to do that he never did. Fwn9wvThat’s the truth.

youre so full of crap.We all know who you are. Its the toxic parent. we have your ip address. You can leave kk , no one is stopping you.

You have their IP address Come On Man
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/30/21 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The team went from very good to playing fundamentally good soccer. We are not a good team but the girls are being taught how to play the game correctly. The team has evolved over the years with girls leaving for other teams where the grass is always greener. Now the other two teams they left for are not good either and no one can showcase their daughters. If the girls had stayed together this would have been one hell of a team. Also MN had nothing to do with this grade breaking up the last few years. Also this team was never number 1 in the state.

Mark was the exact reason we left. He lied to us caused coaches to leave and players to leave. He was promising a greener lawn here at SB. Mark sat us in a meeting and lied to all all of us about what he was going to do that he never did. Fwn9wvThat’s the truth.

youre so full of crap.We all know who you are. Its the toxic parent. we have your ip address. You can leave kk , no one is stopping you.

You have their IP address Come On Man

He doesn’t have it at least not from BOTN.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 01/31/21 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The team went from very good to playing fundamentally good soccer. We are not a good team but the girls are being taught how to play the game correctly. The team has evolved over the years with girls leaving for other teams where the grass is always greener. Now the other two teams they left for are not good either and no one can showcase their daughters. If the girls had stayed together this would have been one hell of a team. Also MN had nothing to do with this grade breaking up the last few years. Also this team was never number 1 in the state.

Mark was the exact reason we left. He lied to us caused coaches to leave and players to leave. He was promising a greener lawn here at SB. Mark sat us in a meeting and lied to all all of us about what he was going to do that he never did. Fwn9wvThat’s the truth.

youre so full of crap.We all know who you are. Its the toxic parent. we have your ip address. You can leave kk , no one is stopping you.

Crazy Parents ruin everything. Kids suffer. Disgusting

You also need to realize why they become crazy when the DOC consistently lies to parents. It’s not just one person on here bashing MN. It’s across the board reading through these posts.

The posts are anonymous. No way to know if it is 1 person or 50 people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/03/21 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/03/21 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.

I happen to like Kurt a lot. Good business man? Maybe not but he is a better person than most in the youth soccer landscape. With that being said Tim Graham is not good in an administration capacity or as a coach.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/05/21 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.


let me guess, your kid didnt start or make the "A" team and its the coaches to blame?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/05/21 04:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.


let me guess, your kid didnt start or make the "A" team and its the coaches to blame?

Agreed as to TG as an administrator. As a coach, its a hard to argue with the results of his teams at the youth level for a small club team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/05/21 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.


let me guess, your kid didnt start or make the "A" team and its the coaches to blame?


Same dude making the same comment every time.

No, my kid was on the A team playing 75% or so of minutes...like I've said numerous times. Unlike you, I don't give a [****] what level my kid plays at, and I don't define my existence by what my kids do.

My kid will be going to a high end college on their brain(99% math/88% language) and be super successful because they're well put together and don't put too much emphasis on sports because there are more important things in their lives.

But your A team kid will be asking my kid if they want fries with that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/05/21 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.

I happen to like Kurt a lot. Good business man? Maybe not but he is a better person than most in the youth soccer landscape. With that being said Tim Graham is not good in an administration capacity or as a coach.
As the person you're quoting, I've had little dealings with Kurt at all, and they were generally fine as a person. Tim...pfft...garbage, all he cares about is winning and $$$. Mark I think is a good guy but he's serving too many masters, and my kid has done 1 on 1 with him before and learned a lot. But not listening to people who know what's going on, essentially lying, selling a bill of goods he doesn't have, that's just bad form.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/05/21 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.


let me guess, your kid didnt start or make the "A" team and its the coaches to blame?

Agreed as to TG as an administrator. As a coach, its a hard to argue with the results of his teams at the youth level for a small club team.

Results at what cost? Lying? crushing kids? Manipulating? Taking people's money promising them stuff you cannot deliver and pumping the tires of kids who have no chance to make it to the upper levels just to squeeze more $ out of them?

People need to ask themselves if the ends(results) justify the means(damaging kids).

Here's a hint as someone who has hoed this road as an athlete up to the collegiate level, and as someone who has coached multiple sports for a couple decades, at the end of the day is this....the kids don't remember the wins/games/championships. The kids remember how much you cared about them. They remember their friends. The time in the hotels/locker rooms. Everything else doesn't matter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/05/21 10:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.


let me guess, your kid didnt start or make the "A" team and its the coaches to blame?

Agreed as to TG as an administrator. As a coach, its a hard to argue with the results of his teams at the youth level for a small club team.

Results at what cost? Lying? crushing kids? Manipulating? Taking people's money promising them stuff you cannot deliver and pumping the tires of kids who have no chance to make it to the upper levels just to squeeze more $ out of them?

People need to ask themselves if the ends(results) justify the means(damaging kids).

Here's a hint as someone who has hoed this road as an athlete up to the collegiate level, and as someone who has coached multiple sports for a couple decades, at the end of the day is this....the kids don't remember the wins/games/championships. The kids remember how much you cared about them. They remember their friends. The time in the hotels/locker rooms. Everything else doesn't matter.

I guess every situation is different. Seems to me that parents can be smart enough to not let TG promise their kids something that's bs. Maybe those parents were delusional too and weren't facing reality. Because I am sure TG coaches plenty of kids that have good memories too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/06/21 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.


let me guess, your kid didnt start or make the "A" team and its the coaches to blame?


Same dude making the same comment every time.

No, my kid was on the A team playing 75% or so of minutes...like I've said numerous times. Unlike you, I don't give a [****] what level my kid plays at, and I don't define my existence by what my kids do.

My kid will be going to a high end college on their brain(99% math/88% language) and be super successful because they're well put together and don't put too much emphasis on sports because there are more important things in their lives.

But your A team kid will be asking my kid if they want fries with that.

truth check - your kid is an underachiever who probably wants to quit soccer but you keep forcing him/her to do something he/she doesn't like to do. you blame everyone else for your kids perceived lack of success. meanwhile your wife is miserable and sleeping with the neighbor b/c she is tired of you complaining all the time. man up!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/06/21 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.


let me guess, your kid didnt start or make the "A" team and its the coaches to blame?


Same dude making the same comment every time.

No, my kid was on the A team playing 75% or so of minutes...like I've said numerous times. Unlike you, I don't give a [****] what level my kid plays at, and I don't define my existence by what my kids do.

My kid will be going to a high end college on their brain(99% math/88% language) and be super successful because they're well put together and don't put too much emphasis on sports because there are more important things in their lives.

But your A team kid will be asking my kid if they want fries with that.

another thing dumbo, you on here commenting means you do give a [****] what level your kid plays at and this is exactly how you define your kid. also, you calling it a "high end' college means you have never been to a "high end" college and neither will your kid - because of you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/21/21 10:30 PM
Where is mash? Seems to be missing lately?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/23/21 09:01 PM
He’s on Sports Recruits.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/23/21 09:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He’s on Sports Recruits.

He’s actually around and working with teams. Why do you want to stir up crap and bust that guys balls for is beyond me. Just stop it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/25/21 01:53 PM
true
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.



Here's a hint as someone who has hoed this road as an athlete up to the collegiate level, and as someone who has coached multiple sports for a couple decades, at the end of the day is this....the kids don't remember the wins/games/championships. The kids remember how much you cared about them. They remember their friends. The time in the hotels/locker rooms. Everything else doesn't matter.

I find the above 100% true. I Have 80% of the same kids since U8. They dont remember the games, they remember the social interactions with each other. Just keep the kids happy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/25/21 11:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
true
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.



Here's a hint as someone who has hoed this road as an athlete up to the collegiate level, and as someone who has coached multiple sports for a couple decades, at the end of the day is this....the kids don't remember the wins/games/championships. The kids remember how much you cared about them. They remember their friends. The time in the hotels/locker rooms. Everything else doesn't matter.

I find the above 100% true. I Have 80% of the same kids since U8. They dont remember the games, they remember the social interactions with each other. Just keep the kids happy.

maybe you should take a look in the mirror and ask yourself is this true for what I’ve done.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/26/21 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is there any truth to the rumor that Lake Grove/Newfield is about to merge with Stonybrook/Athletico too? What would that even look like? Geez.



Jesus. Tim Graham, Kurt and MN, that would be like listening to Rudy give a presser about so called election fraud.

Having dealt with all 3, so glad my kid's out of that program.


let me guess, your kid didnt start or make the "A" team and its the coaches to blame?


Same dude making the same comment every time.

No, my kid was on the A team playing 75% or so of minutes...like I've said numerous times. Unlike you, I don't give a [****] what level my kid plays at, and I don't define my existence by what my kids do.

My kid will be going to a high end college on their brain(99% math/88% language) and be super successful because they're well put together and don't put too much emphasis on sports because there are more important things in their lives.

But your A team kid will be asking my kid if they want fries with that.

truth check - your kid is an underachiever who probably wants to quit soccer but you keep forcing him/her to do something he/she doesn't like to do. you blame everyone else for your kids perceived lack of success. meanwhile your wife is miserable and sleeping with the neighbor b/c she is tired of you complaining all the time. man up!

Nah man. So glad you know 'my kid' as well as me, when you know neither of us. My kid is an overachieve. Period, full stop. But clearly you want to pick on a kid you don't even know!

Here's the thing about sports you never learned, and that none of it matters if you don't love playing. Wins don't matter if you're miserable and treated like [****]. Ask the USA gymnasts who were in toxic abusive environments if the would give up their gold medals to not have the trauma. Guarantee every single one of them would not say it was worth it.

I am involved in sports because I love it, and always have loved it. Winning is great, you'll find no more competitive person than me. But it's not the most important thing. Only a small person who has never played for anything, or been grinding away from the game doing 2-3 a days to get better and maximize your potential and ability to be on a team that was say collegiately ranked 7th in the nation when you were there....you've never done [****], it shows. That's why you live vicariously through your kid and the wins and A team status matter more to you as you feel inferior trying to keep up with the Joneses by bragging about how your kid's on the A team and ranked blah blah.

Those of us who love sport, and want to foster a love of sport in our kids, and all kids know that none of that matters. I've shared the playing field with hall of famers, we're talking all world talent. They're the most humble people who love to play, and that's it. That's what separates them from you. They compete because they're hard wired to do it. But never at the expense of the joy of the game. As soon as it became a job to them, they hung them up.

In short...you're a gym class hero, living vicariously through your kids, competing with other adults using your kids. They will hate you and resent you for it. My kids never did and never will. I've told them 'if it's not fun and you're not having any fun, let's go find something else to do'. That's not an underachiever. That's called a happy kid. The day my sport of interest is no longer fun, I'll stop. But here I am in my 40's still competing against high level kids and besting them. So until that equation changes...I'm having fun.

At the end of the day, and I got the email about 'sports recruits' etc from SB Soccer, none of that [****] matters, it's for the parents. The kids don't give a crap. They just want to be happy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 02/26/21 09:51 PM
What a ball of crap your story is. Who takes the time to write a essay full of garbage as an anonymous person claiming to have played with anonymous hall of famers lol. If your kid isn’t great at soccer so be it stop taking, making it so personal grab a drink. To the parents who push your kids to do and be the best at whatever they do including soccer cheers
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/03/21 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a ball of crap your story is. Who takes the time to write a essay full of garbage as an anonymous person claiming to have played with anonymous hall of famers lol. If your kid isn’t great at soccer so be it stop taking, making it so personal grab a drink. To the parents who push your kids to do and be the best at whatever they do including soccer cheers

I think the posters point was too many parents living vicariously through their children.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/10/21 02:02 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He’s on Sports Recruits.

He’s actually around and working with teams. Why do you want to stir up crap and bust that guys balls for is beyond me. Just stop it

Larry, with this merger are you now going praise TG after all these years of trashing him?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/10/21 02:39 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He’s on Sports Recruits.

He’s actually around and working with teams. Why do you want to stir up crap and bust that guys balls for is beyond me. Just stop it

Larry, with this merger are you now going praise TG after all these years of trashing him?

Merger? What merger? Tim Graham is a soccer loser, and an overall loser. What has he done that you feel he deserves praise. As a person, he is a piece of [****] and I dont give a flying [****] where he goes he is still what he is, a piece of [****] and a loser.

does that help answer your cryptic post? Merger? What merger?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/10/21 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He’s on Sports Recruits.

He’s actually around and working with teams. Why do you want to stir up crap and bust that guys balls for is beyond me. Just stop it

Larry, with this merger are you now going praise TG after all these years of trashing him?

Merger? What merger? Tim Graham is a soccer loser, and an overall loser. What has he done that you feel he deserves praise. As a person, he is a piece of [****] and I dont give a flying [****] where he goes he is still what he is, a piece of [****] and a loser.

does that help answer your cryptic post? Merger? What merger?

Fair enough on some of the criticism of TG as a person. He is as shallow and two-faced as they come. But as a trainer, over 9 of his 2003 kids are going to college to play soccer with potentially 5 going D1 (and another who turned down Manhattan). That's not bad.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/10/21 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He’s on Sports Recruits.

He’s actually around and working with teams. Why do you want to stir up crap and bust that guys balls for is beyond me. Just stop it

Larry, with this merger are you now going praise TG after all these years of trashing him?

Merger? What merger? Tim Graham is a soccer loser, and an overall loser. What has he done that you feel he deserves praise. As a person, he is a piece of [****] and I dont give a flying [****] where he goes he is still what he is, a piece of [****] and a loser.

does that help answer your cryptic post? Merger? What merger?



Fair enough on some of the criticism of TG as a person. He is as shallow and two-faced as they come. But as a trainer, over 9 of his 2003 kids are going to college to play soccer with potentially 5 going D1 (and another who turned down Manhattan). That's not bad.

From my perspective there are colleges and then there are colleges. Just because a child is going to a college to play soccer whether it’s division one or not falls on my deaf ears. I’ve seen the colleges that Tim players go to. and they are no big deal, they are not big-name schools academically and an academically recognized college is what matters when you go out into the business world and you’re competing for a quality position with the company. I would also point out that none of those kids are getting a dime in athletic scholarship money. Prove me wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/10/21 04:22 PM
Fair enough on some of the criticism of TG as a person. He is as shallow and two-faced as they come. But as a trainer, over 9 of his 2003 kids are going to college to play soccer with potentially 5 going D1 (and another who turned down Manhattan). That's not bad.[/quote]

From my perspective there are colleges and then there are colleges. Just because a child is going to a college to play soccer whether it’s division one or not falls on my deaf ears. I’ve seen the colleges that Tim players go to. and they are no big deal, they are not big-name schools academically and an academically recognized college is what matters when you go out into the business world and you’re competing for a quality position with the company. I would also point out that none of those kids are getting a dime in athletic scholarship money. Prove me wrong.[/quote]

Agreed to a a degree. I can't comment on the money (although i "heard" that some of the kids received money). But Covid impacted the money available to schools and they wound up giving it to the returning seniors who had the extra year of eligibility. Bucknell is an academically recognized college and so is GW. As far as the other schools, some kids wind up going to the schools that they actually want. And they are good schools - UAlbany is a good SUNY school and some kids like the D3 SUNY schools. Not everybody is looking to the Ivy league and I bet some don't have the grades to come close. I guess to his credit, no other 03 team came close to that level of recruiting for any types of colleges this year. But to take it another step and agree with you, I would think that TG had very little to do with that recruiting process anyway since his strength is putting good teams together to get local kids looks. He's useless with recruiting.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/10/21 04:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fair enough on some of the criticism of TG as a person. He is as shallow and two-faced as they come. But as a trainer, over 9 of his 2003 kids are going to college to play soccer with potentially 5 going D1 (and another who turned down Manhattan). That's not bad.

From my perspective there are colleges and then there are colleges. Just because a child is going to a college to play soccer whether it’s division one or not falls on my deaf ears. I’ve seen the colleges that Tim players go to. and they are no big deal, they are not big-name schools academically and an academically recognized college is what matters when you go out into the business world and you’re competing for a quality position with the company. I would also point out that none of those kids are getting a dime in athletic scholarship money. Prove me wrong.[/quote]

Agreed to a a degree. I can't comment on the money (although i "heard" that some of the kids received money). But Covid impacted the money available to schools and they wound up giving it to the returning seniors who had the extra year of eligibility. Bucknell is an academically recognized college and so is GW. As far as the other schools, some kids wind up going to the schools that they actually want. And they are good schools - UAlbany is a good SUNY school and some kids like the D3 SUNY schools. Not everybody is looking to the Ivy league and I bet some don't have the grades to come close. I guess to his credit, no other 03 team came close to that level of recruiting for any types of colleges this year. But to take it another step and agree with you, I would think that TG had very little to do with that recruiting process anyway since his strength is putting good teams together to get local kids looks. He's useless with recruiting.[/quote]

I agree that GW is an awesome school, but which GW? There is more than one. The top GW school is in St. Louis, and they are a D3 school but academically they are at the top.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/10/21 04:45 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fair enough on some of the criticism of TG as a person. He is as shallow and two-faced as they come. But as a trainer, over 9 of his 2003 kids are going to college to play soccer with potentially 5 going D1 (and another who turned down Manhattan). That's not bad.

From my perspective there are colleges and then there are colleges. Just because a child is going to a college to play soccer whether it’s division one or not falls on my deaf ears. I’ve seen the colleges that Tim players go to. and they are no big deal, they are not big-name schools academically and an academically recognized college is what matters when you go out into the business world and you’re competing for a quality position with the company. I would also point out that none of those kids are getting a dime in athletic scholarship money. Prove me wrong.

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Agreed to a a degree. I can't comment on the money (although i "heard" that some of the kids received money). But Covid impacted the money available to schools and they wound up giving it to the returning seniors who had the extra year of eligibility. Bucknell is an academically recognized college and so is GW. As far as the other schools, some kids wind up going to the schools that they actually want. And they are good schools - UAlbany is a good SUNY school and some kids like the D3 SUNY schools. Not everybody is looking to the Ivy league and I bet some don't have the grades to come close. I guess to his credit, no other 03 team came close to that level of recruiting for any types of colleges this year. But to take it another step and agree with you, I would think that TG had very little to do with that recruiting process anyway since his strength is putting good teams together to get local kids looks. He's useless with recruiting.

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I agree that GW is an awesome school, but which GW? There is more than one. The top GW school is in St. Louis, and they are a D3 school but academically they are at the top.

Good question. I am not sure but I doubt that it's Washington University (which is tops just like the D3 NESCAC schools). But even if it's DC, that's still a top 50 or 60 school in the country.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/10/21 04:54 PM
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Agreed to a a degree. I can't comment on the money (although i "heard" that some of the kids received money). But Covid impacted the money available to schools and they wound up giving it to the returning seniors who had the extra year of eligibility. Bucknell is an academically recognized college and so is GW. As far as the other schools, some kids wind up going to the schools that they actually want. And they are good schools - UAlbany is a good SUNY school and some kids like the D3 SUNY schools. Not everybody is looking to the Ivy league and I bet some don't have the grades to come close. I guess to his credit, no other 03 team came close to that level of recruiting for any types of colleges this year. But to take it another step and agree with you, I would think that TG had very little to do with that recruiting process anyway since his strength is putting good teams together to get local kids looks. He's useless with recruiting.

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I agree that GW is an awesome school, but which GW? There is more than one. The top GW school is in St. Louis, and they are a D3 school but academically they are at the top.

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Good question. I am not sure but I doubt that it's Washington University (which is tops just like the D3 NESCAC schools). But even if it's DC, that's still a top 50 or 60 school in the country.

To finish this off, TG is a snake-oil salesman who can only put good teams together and showcase them. And he goes to any length to get there. But beyond that, there isn't much left of him. He has no contacts with college coaches (except a few local ones) and doesn't really want to put the effort into helping the kids. He will say one thing to people's faces and do the exact opposite. That's TG.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/10/21 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a ball of crap your story is. Who takes the time to write a essay full of garbage as an anonymous person claiming to have played with anonymous hall of famers lol. If your kid isn’t great at soccer so be it stop taking, making it so personal grab a drink. To the parents who push your kids to do and be the best at whatever they do including soccer cheers

I think the posters point was too many parents living vicariously through their children.
BINGO! but this guy can't seem to get that HE is that parent.

As said essayist, I have no need to measure my internet weenie but yes, I have played with hall of famers...just not in soccer. I had my sports career. I took it further than most and a lot further than I should have with my lack of gifts.

But here's the thing....my kid gets mad because my kid sees the other parents so heavily invested in every touch and up and down of their games, and practices...and I don't. I used to watch my kid's practices to steal drills to use when I get back to coaching. I listen to the language the trainers/coaches use. I like to learn. But my kid gets mad at me because I never react. Here's the thing. I'm not my kid's fan. I am not invested at all! My kid has to love this sport for their sake not mine. My kid needs to put in the work for themselves not mine.

I love watching my kid succeed, have fun, grow and learn and will do everything I can to assist in this, but I'm not my kid's fan. I have no investment in my kid's soccer, it's for THEM not me. Hell I'm using my lunch hr today to take my kid who is doing remote school today to the field to get some touches in. Gotta go and live vicariously through my kid. :P
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/10/21 11:48 PM
Graham is in and Nash is out. This club is finally moving forward in a positive direction. It’s about time that they did something to move forward.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 12:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Graham is in and Nash is out. This club is finally moving forward in a positive direction. It’s about time that they did something to move forward.


It’s true, while we’re waiting for confirmation, that is definitely not a move forward.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 12:34 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Graham is in and Nash is out. This club is finally moving forward in a positive direction. It’s about time that they did something to move forward.


It’s true, while we’re waiting for confirmation, that is definitely not a move forward.

Larry - does that mean Atletico/Stony Brook and LGN are all together?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 12:47 AM
It’s better than what’s in place now. Tim produces results period.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s better than what’s in place now. Tim produces results period.

Tim Graham produces problems, lies, and incompetence. Tim Graham has never grown into adulthood....not a great mentor for teens at all.

Mark Nash is still at Stony Brook.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 12:58 AM
Why do you think they are heading in with LGN? It’s obvious that Mark couldn’t do what he needed to. It’s been a year since the supposed merger between SB and Atletico. BIG FAIL teams not doing well no communication.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 01:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you think they are heading in with LGN? It’s obvious that Mark couldn’t do what he needed to. It’s been a year since the supposed merger between SB and Atletico. BIG FAIL teams not doing well no communication.


...and going in with Lake Grove will do what? You folks need to stop playing with yourselves. Players who are good, great, the buzz, etc., will wind up at SUSA. Who else in Suffolk has the depth, money, infrastructure, league affiliations, and a facility besides SUSA? Lake Grove?
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 01:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why do you think they are heading in with LGN? It’s obvious that Mark couldn’t do what he needed to. It’s been a year since the supposed merger between SB and Atletico. BIG FAIL teams not doing well no communication.


HAHAHAHAHA!! Ok, TG, you can work all of your magic but it's not going to fly. You will have to talk to the earth for YEARS to get mother nature to help you out with this one. SB and Atletico are doing just fine and the only way MN is leaving SB is if HE wants to leave.

This is a total crock of complete bull!! I totally believe that TG would love for it to be true but DREAM ON, loser! Everyone knows you!

NEXT...........
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 03:12 AM
CJ- Were you at the Stony Brook board meeting tonight?
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CJ- Were you at the Stony Brook board meeting tonight?

No and neither were you, anonymous! Come on, speak up to who you are? I think not.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CJ- Were you at the Stony Brook board meeting tonight?
What meeting and who was involved?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 07:50 PM
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.


To expand on your point, BOTN has been looking into this and here is what we are seeing:

Mark isn't going anywhere. Lake Grove is bleeding players to SUSA and Tim is losing money so he wants to bring over boys teams from LGN to Stony Brook. LGN is one of many clubs like the Slammers, Terryville, Sachem, Smithtown, Middle Country, East Islip, Mt. Sinai, and others losing players to SUSA. If Tim was smart, which we all know he isn't, he should be looking at SUSA and not Stony Brook, as Stony Brook is also losing players to SUSA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 09:11 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.


To expand on your point, BOTN has been looking into this and here is what we are seeing:

Mark isn't going anywhere. Lake Grove is bleeding players to SUSA and Tim is losing money so he wants to bring over boys teams from LGN to Stony Brook. LGN is one of many clubs like the Slammers, Terryville, Sachem, Smithtown, Middle Country, East Islip, Mt. Sinai, and others losing players to SUSA. If Tim was smart, which we all know he isn't, he should be looking at SUSA and not Stony Brook, as Stony Brook is also losing players to SUSA.

Larry, if everyone looks to Susa they’ll be no Long Island soccer left outside of them. I have a certain respect for those who would do anything other than that
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.


To expand on your point, BOTN has been looking into this and here is what we are seeing:

Mark isn't going anywhere. Lake Grove is bleeding players to SUSA and Tim is losing money so he wants to bring over boys teams from LGN to Stony Brook. LGN is one of many clubs like the Slammers, Terryville, Sachem, Smithtown, Middle Country, East Islip, Mt. Sinai, and others losing players to SUSA. If Tim was smart, which we all know he isn't, he should be looking at SUSA and not Stony Brook, as Stony Brook is also losing players to SUSA.

Larry, if everyone looks to Susa they’ll be no Long Island soccer left outside of them. I have a certain respect for those who would do anything other than that

People will go where the action is and LGN and the other clubs I mentioned are not anywhere in the same league as SUSA because they aren't well working units.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 10:02 PM
It’s the D1 in Washington
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.


To expand on your point, BOTN has been looking into this and here is what we are seeing:

Mark isn't going anywhere. Lake Grove is bleeding players to SUSA and Tim is losing money so he wants to bring over boys teams from LGN to Stony Brook. LGN is one of many clubs like the Slammers, Terryville, Sachem, Smithtown, Middle Country, East Islip, Mt. Sinai, and others losing players to SUSA. If Tim was smart, which we all know he isn't, he should be looking at SUSA and not Stony Brook, as Stony Brook is also losing players to SUSA.

Interesting Larry that you mention those clubs but do not mention clubs like LISC, SESA, MetOval, BWG, BARCA, EM, and many others. Are you saying the clubs i mentioned just now are superior to SUSA and can withstand anything SUSA tries to do?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.


To expand on your point, BOTN has been looking into this and here is what we are seeing:

Mark isn't going anywhere. Lake Grove is bleeding players to SUSA and Tim is losing money so he wants to bring over boys teams from LGN to Stony Brook. LGN is one of many clubs like the Slammers, Terryville, Sachem, Smithtown, Middle Country, East Islip, Mt. Sinai, and others losing players to SUSA. If Tim was smart, which we all know he isn't, he should be looking at SUSA and not Stony Brook, as Stony Brook is also losing players to SUSA.

Interesting Larry that you mention those clubs but do not mention clubs like LISC, SESA, MetOval, BWG, BARCA, EM, and many others. Are you saying the clubs i mentioned just now are superior to SUSA and can withstand anything SUSA tries to do?

pay attention now. All of the clubs I mentioned are Suffolk based and in the vicinity of SUSA. The clubs you mention are either in Queens or Nassau. EMSC is hurting which is why they cut a deal with LIPFC. BWG is hurting as is Met Oval economically through no fault of their own, which is why you see both trying to create a Long Island niche. Barca is a what? No one really knows what that group is up to, but nothing great that I've seen or read.

LISC, & SESA along with the Rough Riders and other Nassau clubs are faring well or very well. Where all these clubs are lucky is the one place where SUSA is sub-par is in their communication, marketing and promotion and I have told that to Moussa numerous times.

Should SUSA get a real marketing/communications pro onboard the current havoc they are creating will go up exponentially.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 10:48 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.


To expand on your point, BOTN has been looking into this and here is what we are seeing:

Mark isn't going anywhere. Lake Grove is bleeding players to SUSA and Tim is losing money so he wants to bring over boys teams from LGN to Stony Brook. LGN is one of many clubs like the Slammers, Terryville, Sachem, Smithtown, Middle Country, East Islip, Mt. Sinai, and others losing players to SUSA. If Tim was smart, which we all know he isn't, he should be looking at SUSA and not Stony Brook, as Stony Brook is also losing players to SUSA.

Interesting Larry that you mention those clubs but do not mention clubs like LISC, SESA, MetOval, BWG, BARCA, EM, and many others. Are you saying the clubs i mentioned just now are superior to SUSA and can withstand anything SUSA tries to do?

pay attention now. All of the clubs I mentioned are Suffolk based and in the vicinity of SUSA. The clubs you mention are either in Queens or Nassau. EMSC is hurting which is why they cut a deal with LIPFC. BWG is hurting as is Met Oval economically through no fault of their own, which is why you see both trying to create a Long Island niche. Barca is a what? No one really knows what that group is up to, but nothing great that I've seen or read.

LISC, & SESA along with the Rough Riders and other Nassau clubs are faring well or very well. Where all these clubs are lucky is the one place where SUSA is sub-par is in their communication, marketing and promotion and I have told that to Moussa numerous times.

Should SUSA get a real marketing/communications pro onboard the current havoc they are creating will go up exponentially.

Hey Larry, agreed. However the take it or leave it attitude Susa has with not much to offer but nice fields and sub par trainers will increase exponentially as well unfortunately.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.


To expand on your point, BOTN has been looking into this and here is what we are seeing:

Mark isn't going anywhere. Lake Grove is bleeding players to SUSA and Tim is losing money so he wants to bring over boys teams from LGN to Stony Brook. LGN is one of many clubs like the Slammers, Terryville, Sachem, Smithtown, Middle Country, East Islip, Mt. Sinai, and others losing players to SUSA. If Tim was smart, which we all know he isn't, he should be looking at SUSA and not Stony Brook, as Stony Brook is also losing players to SUSA.

Interesting Larry that you mention those clubs but do not mention clubs like LISC, SESA, MetOval, BWG, BARCA, EM, and many others. Are you saying the clubs i mentioned just now are superior to SUSA and can withstand anything SUSA tries to do?

pay attention now. All of the clubs I mentioned are Suffolk based and in the vicinity of SUSA. The clubs you mention are either in Queens or Nassau. EMSC is hurting which is why they cut a deal with LIPFC. BWG is hurting as is Met Oval economically through no fault of their own, which is why you see both trying to create a Long Island niche. Barca is a what? No one really knows what that group is up to, but nothing great that I've seen or read.

LISC, & SESA along with the Rough Riders and other Nassau clubs are faring well or very well. Where all these clubs are lucky is the one place where SUSA is sub-par is in their communication, marketing and promotion and I have told that to Moussa numerous times.

Should SUSA get a real marketing/communications pro onboard the current havoc they are creating will go up exponentially.

Hey Larry, agreed. However the take it or leave it attitude Susa has with not much to offer but nice fields and sub par trainers will increase exponentially as well unfortunately.

Try this scenar io...as players leave those Suffolk clubs I mention, i.e., LGN their trainers and coaches will morph to SUSA like Tim Graham is doing and screw their old club. If LGN doesn't see Tim manipulating a safer haven for himself while quietly stabbing LGN in the back with a pen knife then LGN deserves what they will get!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/11/21 11:12 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.


To expand on your point, BOTN has been looking into this and here is what we are seeing:

Mark isn't going anywhere. Lake Grove is bleeding players to SUSA and Tim is losing money so he wants to bring over boys teams from LGN to Stony Brook. LGN is one of many clubs like the Slammers, Terryville, Sachem, Smithtown, Middle Country, East Islip, Mt. Sinai, and others losing players to SUSA. If Tim was smart, which we all know he isn't, he should be looking at SUSA and not Stony Brook, as Stony Brook is also losing players to SUSA.

Interesting Larry that you mention those clubs but do not mention clubs like LISC, SESA, MetOval, BWG, BARCA, EM, and many others. Are you saying the clubs i mentioned just now are superior to SUSA and can withstand anything SUSA tries to do?

pay attention now. All of the clubs I mentioned are Suffolk based and in the vicinity of SUSA. The clubs you mention are either in Queens or Nassau. EMSC is hurting which is why they cut a deal with LIPFC. BWG is hurting as is Met Oval economically through no fault of their own, which is why you see both trying to create a Long Island niche. Barca is a what? No one really knows what that group is up to, but nothing great that I've seen or read.

LISC, & SESA along with the Rough Riders and other Nassau clubs are faring well or very well. Where all these clubs are lucky is the one place where SUSA is sub-par is in their communication, marketing and promotion and I have told that to Moussa numerous times.

Should SUSA get a real marketing/communications pro onboard the current havoc they are creating will go up exponentially.


Larry i think you are wrong, very wrong, SUSA is already in nassau with their albertson deal, and on the borders of 5 boro and nassau with their New Hyde Park Project. THe issue here that they are low level training across the board, you are mentioning silly marketing, promoting and blowing up smoke but what all those other clubs have over SUSA that SUSA still has not gotten correct is the great coaching and proof of that in the way the players play. Parents will stay at those clubs and not join SUSA because SUSA has got a reputation for not having good coaching, To the seriosue player that is unappealing especially that the movent in the country now is on development of players. SO maybe you should have a convo with Mousa and he should fire JR, Eddie Hacket, and a lot of the other low-level coaches who are taking big pay checks for nothing. LISC, SESA, MetOval, BWG, BARCA, EM all have better training, better coaching, and a better overall environment despite not having many fileds of fields of there own.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/12/21 12:31 AM
Your right coaches will go to SUSA as kids depart local clubs
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/12/21 12:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.


To expand on your point, BOTN has been looking into this and here is what we are seeing:

Mark isn't going anywhere. Lake Grove is bleeding players to SUSA and Tim is losing money so he wants to bring over boys teams from LGN to Stony Brook. LGN is one of many clubs like the Slammers, Terryville, Sachem, Smithtown, Middle Country, East Islip, Mt. Sinai, and others losing players to SUSA. If Tim was smart, which we all know he isn't, he should be looking at SUSA and not Stony Brook, as Stony Brook is also losing players to SUSA.

Interesting Larry that you mention those clubs but do not mention clubs like LISC, SESA, MetOval, BWG, BARCA, EM, and many others. Are you saying the clubs i mentioned just now are superior to SUSA and can withstand anything SUSA tries to do?

pay attention now. All of the clubs I mentioned are Suffolk based and in the vicinity of SUSA. The clubs you mention are either in Queens or Nassau. EMSC is hurting which is why they cut a deal with LIPFC. BWG is hurting as is Met Oval economically through no fault of their own, which is why you see both trying to create a Long Island niche. Barca is a what? No one really knows what that group is up to, but nothing great that I've seen or read.

LISC, & SESA along with the Rough Riders and other Nassau clubs are faring well or very well. Where all these clubs are lucky is the one place where SUSA is sub-par is in their communication, marketing and promotion and I have told that to Moussa numerous times.

Should SUSA get a real marketing/communications pro onboard the current havoc they are creating will go up exponentially.


Larry i think you are wrong, very wrong, SUSA is already in nassau with their albertson deal, and on the borders of 5 boro and nassau with their New Hyde Park Project. THe issue here that they are low level training across the board, you are mentioning silly marketing, promoting and blowing up smoke but what all those other clubs have over SUSA that SUSA still has not gotten correct is the great coaching and proof of that in the way the players play. Parents will stay at those clubs and not join SUSA because SUSA has got a reputation for not having good coaching, To the serious player that is unappealing especially that the movent in the country now is on development of players. SO maybe you should have a convo with Mousa and he should fire JR, Eddie Hacket, and a lot of the other low-level coaches who are taking big pay checks for nothing. LISC, SESA, MetOval, BWG, BARCA, EM all have better training, better coaching, and a better overall environment despite not having many fields of fields of their own.

Apples and oranges. Albertson doesn't have a complex...Albertson is not imploding. The SUSA Nassau argument is moot even if it comes out of SUSA.

I am not going to discuss their coaches or trainers as I have never seen them nor do I have the qualifications to judge them, do you? BTW, thank you for your OPINION. I think you're both subjective and way off.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/12/21 03:53 PM
I dont think anyone here is subjective or way off. Larry your not on the front lines of soccer so you may not know but SUSA has a reputation building up that they are a money-making machine but lack credibility on the coaching side and that is why they continue losing to top programs that do in fact prioritize player development and get the most out of there players. If SUSA continues this way then my prediction is they will not go far.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/12/21 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I dont think anyone here is subjective or way off. Larry your not on the front lines of soccer so you may not know but SUSA has a reputation building up that they are a money-making machine but lack credibility on the coaching side and that is why they continue losing to top programs that do in fact prioritize player development and get the most out of there players. If SUSA continues this way then my prediction is they will not go far.


...and you say I'm way off? You are so far off in your conclusion that i won't even try and explain how far off you are. I would also point out that you have no clue as how wired in or not I am to what goes on...again very far off.

Stop trying to spin this situation and worry more about bleeding players to SUSA because that is factual.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/12/21 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lake Grove trying to merger and SB is listening. At this point nothing settled. The clubs really have no choice against the SUSA machine.


To expand on your point, BOTN has been looking into this and here is what we are seeing:

Mark isn't going anywhere. Lake Grove is bleeding players to SUSA and Tim is losing money so he wants to bring over boys teams from LGN to Stony Brook. LGN is one of many clubs like the Slammers, Terryville, Sachem, Smithtown, Middle Country, East Islip, Mt. Sinai, and others losing players to SUSA. If Tim was smart, which we all know he isn't, he should be looking at SUSA and not Stony Brook, as Stony Brook is also losing players to SUSA.

Interesting Larry that you mention those clubs but do not mention clubs like LISC, SESA, MetOval, BWG, BARCA, EM, and many others. Are you saying the clubs i mentioned just now are superior to SUSA and can withstand anything SUSA tries to do?

pay attention now. All of the clubs I mentioned are Suffolk based and in the vicinity of SUSA. The clubs you mention are either in Queens or Nassau. EMSC is hurting which is why they cut a deal with LIPFC. BWG is hurting as is Met Oval economically through no fault of their own, which is why you see both trying to create a Long Island niche. Barca is a what? No one really knows what that group is up to, but nothing great that I've seen or read.

LISC, & SESA along with the Rough Riders and other Nassau clubs are faring well or very well. Where all these clubs are lucky is the one place where SUSA is sub-par is in their communication, marketing and promotion and I have told that to Moussa numerous times.

Should SUSA get a real marketing/communications pro onboard the current havoc they are creating will go up exponentially.


Larry i think you are wrong, very wrong, SUSA is already in nassau with their albertson deal, and on the borders of 5 boro and nassau with their New Hyde Park Project. THe issue here that they are low level training across the board, you are mentioning silly marketing, promoting and blowing up smoke but what all those other clubs have over SUSA that SUSA still has not gotten correct is the great coaching and proof of that in the way the players play. Parents will stay at those clubs and not join SUSA because SUSA has got a reputation for not having good coaching, To the seriosue player that is unappealing especially that the movent in the country now is on development of players. SO maybe you should have a convo with Mousa and he should fire JR, Eddie Hacket, and a lot of the other low-level coaches who are taking big pay checks for nothing. LISC, SESA, MetOval, BWG, BARCA, EM all have better training, better coaching, and a better overall environment despite not having many fileds of fields of there own.


Eh, idk if I agree...I've seen a bunch of players who you claim "will stay at those clubs and not join SUSA because SUSA has got a reputation for not having good coaching, To the serious player that is unappealing" that have left those clubs and joined Susa. My daughter's team has a bunch of them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/12/21 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I dont think anyone here is subjective or way off. Larry your not on the front lines of soccer so you may not know but SUSA has a reputation building up that they are a money-making machine but lack credibility on the coaching side and that is why they continue losing to top programs that do in fact prioritize player development and get the most out of there players. If SUSA continues this way then my prediction is they will not go far.


...and you say I'm way off? You are so far off in your conclusion that i won't even try and explain how far off you are. I would also point out that you have no clue as how wired in or not I am to what goes on...again very far off.

Stop trying to spin this situation and worry more about bleeding players to SUSA because that is factual.

I agree with most above post including the pendulum correctly being in Susa favor with new fields causing good players to follow other good players there. HOWEVER, if Susa continues in its old ways it will not be able to keep the influx of talent happy and this will be short lived. The ball is in their hands, time will tell
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/12/21 04:32 PM
Atletico is still losing players to SUSA and there are only about 45 players left in the whole club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/12/21 06:19 PM
So what is the difference between what Tim is doing and what SUSA has been doing for years and what the Slammers just did? To me it looks like all these clubs are just trying to increase player pool.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/12/21 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is the difference between what Tim is doing and what SUSA has been doing for years and what the Slammers just did? To me it looks like all these clubs are just trying to increase player pool.

Exactly. The problem is that they aren't attracting players. Players are leaving to go to SUSA and that is what they are all trying to turnaround but they dont know how. Now to piss off all my detractors, I KNOW HOW.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/12/21 08:40 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is the difference between what Tim is doing and what SUSA has been doing for years and what the Slammers just did? To me it looks like all these clubs are just trying to increase player pool.

Exactly. The problem is that they aren't attracting players. Players are leaving to go to SUSA and that is what they are all trying to turnaround but they dont know how. Now to piss off all my detractors, I KNOW HOW.

LOL, talk about a cliff hanger Larry. Listen it’s going to be difficult for any club to stop top tier players from looking and eventually to Susa which has ECNL EDP and a team in division 1 nycsl in every age group and now they have the new fields which in my opinion cemented them as being worthy of at least a try but again keeping the players there is another thing
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/13/21 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Atletico is still losing players to SUSA and there are only about 45 players left in the whole club.

That is crap! I know for a fact that you are 1000% incorrect!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/13/21 07:12 PM
Highly unlikey many SB players leaving for SUSA at all. Lake Grove players, maybe but still skeptical. The way higher cost and that extra distance to get to practice 3x a week makes it too much of a PIA for MOST kids soccer parents. Are there a couple that go? maybe, but good riddance. Of the SB kids that leave over tha last few years, I know of NONE that are going to SUSA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/13/21 09:05 PM
Completely agree. 3k a year and driving to CI 3x a week is a bit much. Yes Susa has some good teams but as with other clubs they also have alot of average to below average teams playing d4 and lower as well. Not everyone who goes there is a stud. Lgn and SB have some really good teams also, train 3x a week also, play nycsl d1 also, for half the cost.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/13/21 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Completely agree. 3k a year and driving to CI 3x a week is a bit much. Yes Susa has some good teams but as with other clubs they also have alot of average to below average teams playing d4 and lower as well. Not everyone who goes there is a stud. Lgn and SB have some really good teams also, train 3x a week also, play nycsl d1 also, for half the cost.

NYCSL D1 is CJSL now and SUSA is still US Club affiliated and has boys ECNL. SB or LGN don't come close, and here is another item to consider. NO non-Stony Brook teams can have use of the Stony Brook fields so all LGN teams will be SB teams if they come over. Timmy has sold out LGN. What a shock, and Mark isn't going anywhere!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/14/21 08:24 PM
There’s no reason why the merger is a sell out to LGN folks. Everyone wins in this scenario. All community based and growth.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/14/21 09:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There’s no reason why the merger is a sell out to LGN folks. Everyone wins in this scenario. All community based and growth.


Yes, there is a winner, and the winner is STONY BROOK. The reason this is happening is because LGN sees the attrition rate and the club's future looks bleak.
LGN has been trying since forever to be a dominant and relevant club and never hit the mark. Why? Tim Graham, that's why., along with a clueless and self-centered board.

This is a SAVE OUR CLUB play by LGN. The last person Stony Brook needs is Tim Graham.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/15/21 12:01 AM
What happens to the KK part of all this? If graham is so bad why did SB agree to this? Where is Nash in all of this?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/15/21 12:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happens to the KK part of all this? If graham is so bad why did SB agree to this? Where is Nash in all of this?

The KK component is TBD. Tim Graham evidently is not well liked by many in the area. TG is another super bull [****] trainer so at the beginning all will be good, but going down the line that will change. Tim had better be very accommodating to Kurt or CJ will built Tim an asshole big enough to sleep the USMNT!!

CJ knows Tim's act better than anyone, doesn't she Tim?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/15/21 01:34 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happens to the KK part of all this? If graham is so bad why did SB agree to this? Where is Nash in all of this?

The KK component is TBD. Tim Graham evidently is not well liked by many in the area. TG is another super bull [****] trainer so at the beginning all will be good, but going down the line that will change. Tim had better be very accommodating to Kurt or CJ will built Tim an asshole big enough to sleep the USMNT!!

CJ knows Tim's act better than anyone, doesn't she Tim?

CJ has a great following and has been very accommodating to many club leaders in Long Island. If Tim causes any issue with CJ this will be his final stop in his soccer career.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/15/21 04:30 PM
I take care of my own and the ones that I know who are in it for the beautiful sport and the kids! Let's face it, everyone is entitled to make a living BUT too many have proven that to them money is the ONLY thing!

Too many asshats out there. When something is good it's very very good and when it's bad it's horrific!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/15/21 06:57 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There’s no reason why the merger is a sell out to LGN folks. Everyone wins in this scenario. All community based and growth.


Yes, there is a winner, and the winner is STONY BROOK. The reason this is happening is because LGN sees the attrition rate and the club's future looks bleak.
LGN has been trying since forever to be a dominant and relevant club and never hit the mark. Why? Tim Graham, that's why., along with a clueless and self-centered board.

This is a SAVE OUR CLUB play by LGN. The last person Stony Brook needs is Tim Graham.




The BOLD part is important. I know a lot of SB Soccer families and while Mark Nash has the ire of many, Tim Graham will be chewed up and spit out for the shyster he is. Definitely would not be bringing my kid back there if he ends up as DOC.

He does employ a couple good trainers that I got to know when I was dealing with them. But beyond that...nah. No thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/16/21 05:54 PM
So what is this going to be? A full merger. Just certain teams coming over? Or just top players coming over for combined super teams? A full merger might be a bit tough with Lake Groves intramural program being based right at the border of Lake Ronkonkoma.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/16/21 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is this going to be? A full merger. Just certain teams coming over? Or just top players coming over for combined super teams? A full merger might be a bit tough with Lake Groves intramural program being based right at the border of Lake Ronkonkoma.

Meeting on Thursday so maybe some news Friday morning. Whatever comes out of the meeting one thing is for sure stony Brook will have their hands full with Tim Graham. The wildcard is where the Kurt Kelley is going to hang around because he knows Tim Graham‘s act real well and I don’t think Stony Brook wants to lose their relationship and affiliation with the indoor facility.

And then again, is Lake Grove going to handle being under Stony Brook’s thumb because it’s Stoney Brook’s fields, and you have to be a Stony Brook team to use those fields.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/16/21 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is this going to be? A full merger. Just certain teams coming over? Or just top players coming over for combined super teams? A full merger might be a bit tough with Lake Groves intramural program being based right at the border of Lake Ronkonkoma.

Meeting on Thursday so maybe some news Friday morning. Whatever comes out of the meeting one thing is for sure stony Brook will have their hands full with Tim Graham. The wildcard is where the Kurt Kelley is going to hang around because he knows Tim Graham‘s act real well and I don’t think Stony Brook wants to lose their relationship and affiliation with the indoor facility.

And then again, is Lake Grove going to handle being under Stony Brook’s thumb because it’s Stoney Brook’s fields, and you have to be a Stony Brook team to use those fields.

This board is dumb enough to bring in TG.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/17/21 12:52 PM
There is a huge difference between the SUSA girls and boys program. The girls program has seemed to produce results. The boys program? Yuck!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/17/21 03:56 PM
Larry Miller you are the best. The truth is what you spread unlike anonymous posters who post fake news or opinion. Do yourself a favor and pat yourself on the back.

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 12:32 AM
It’s better than Nash. Period.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 12:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry Miller you are the best. The truth is what you spread unlike anonymous posters who post fake news or opinion. Do yourself a favor and pat yourself on the back.

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Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s better than Nash. Period.


Nash is not going anywhere unless he wants to leave and he doesn't.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry Miller you are the best. The truth is what you spread unlike anonymous posters who post fake news or opinion. Do yourself a favor and pat yourself on the back.

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Just like you..another anonymous poster with an opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 01:31 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry Miller you are the best. The truth is what you spread unlike anonymous posters who post fake news or opinion. Do yourself a favor and pat yourself on the back.

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Just like you..another anonymous poster with an opinion.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is this going to be? A full merger. Just certain teams coming over? Or just top players coming over for combined super teams? A full merger might be a bit tough with Lake Groves intramural program being based right at the border of Lake Ronkonkoma.

Meeting on Thursday so maybe some news Friday morning. Whatever comes out of the meeting one thing is for sure stony Brook will have their hands full with Tim Graham. The wildcard is where the Kurt Kelley is going to hang around because he knows Tim Graham‘s act real well and I don’t think Stony Brook wants to lose their relationship and affiliation with the indoor facility.

And then again, is Lake Grove going to handle being under Stony Brook’s thumb because it’s Stoney Brook’s fields, and you have to be a Stony Brook team to use those fields.

This board is dumb enough to bring in TG.

Apparently they are that dumb. Sounds like Tim Graham is the new DOC of the club and Nash stays on. The board is a joke.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s better than Nash. Period.

YOU are a jackass!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 02:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry Miller you are the best. The truth is what you spread unlike anonymous posters who post fake news or opinion. Do yourself a favor and pat yourself on the back.

signed
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Just like you..another anonymous poster with an opinion.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what is this going to be? A full merger. Just certain teams coming over? Or just top players coming over for combined super teams? A full merger might be a bit tough with Lake Groves intramural program being based right at the border of Lake Ronkonkoma.

Meeting on Thursday so maybe some news Friday morning. Whatever comes out of the meeting one thing is for sure stony Brook will have their hands full with Tim Graham. The wildcard is where the Kurt Kelley is going to hang around because he knows Tim Graham‘s act real well and I don’t think Stony Brook wants to lose their relationship and affiliation with the indoor facility.

And then again, is Lake Grove going to handle being under Stony Brook’s thumb because it’s Stoney Brook’s fields, and you have to be a Stony Brook team to use those fields.

This board is dumb enough to bring in TG.

Apparently they are that dumb. Sounds like Tim Graham is the new DOC of the club and Nash stays on. The board is a joke.


The pendulum is going to swing towards smaller more efficiently run clubs whether they be for profit or non-profit. Stony Brook board suffers from FOMO and made a bad deal with the wrong person. The beginning of the end for what was once a very good community club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s better than Nash. Period.

YOU are a jackass!!!!

CJ I don't see how you feel its appropriate to call someone a jackass because they have a different opinion than you? SB boards decisions are questionable on the best of days, especially bringing on TG. Nash has made some big mistakes that has adversely impacted KIDS. Remind me who this is all about again?
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s better than Nash. Period.

YOU are a jackass!!!!

CJ I don't see how you feel its appropriate to call someone a jackass because they have a different opinion than you? SB boards decisions are questionable on the best of days, especially bringing on TG. Nash has made some big mistakes that has adversely impacted KIDS. Remind me who this is all about again?

If he/she thinks that TG is a better option than MN, he/she is a jackass. Got it now?

MN is a hard worker and is called on to do everything from EVERYONE! If parents don't like him, they don't see the truth about their children, we all know that just doesn't happen, right? TG is a fast talker but could not and would never do all that is required to do this overwhelming job.

Think all you want, opine all you want, if this happens, it won't take long for you all to see the truth.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s better than Nash. Period.

YOU are a jackass!!!!

CJ I don't see how you feel its appropriate to call someone a jackass because they have a different opinion than you? SB boards decisions are questionable on the best of days, especially bringing on TG. Nash has made some big mistakes that has adversely impacted KIDS. Remind me who this is all about again?

If he/she thinks that TG is a better option than MN, he/she is a jackass. Got it now?

MN is a hard worker and is called on to do everything from EVERYONE! If parents don't like him, they don't see the truth about their children, we all know that just doesn't happen, right? TG is a fast talker but could not and would never do all that is required to do this overwhelming job.

Think all you want, opine all you want, if this happens, it won't take long for you all to see the truth.


I appreciate you clarifying but I got what you meant the first time.

Saying if parents don't like him it relates to how he may feel about their children is off base IMHO. I served on the board of a neighboring club. Some of what you say about Nash is true but he has failed in his capacity. SB board has failed BIG TIME 360 degrees for years. The facts speak for themselves and some of this is completely out of their control. I don't want to come on here and list the failures because the parties that have failed and are still failing deserve a chance to respond to this lengthy list. Nash should not be the scapegoat for all the failures of SB so I will put that out there. I liken the SB board to Sachem Youth Soccer board and some others that ran themselves into the ground. Sachem had a great thing going with membership just north of 1700 children. BD former president signed a contract with Tommy owner of LIPS (training contract) that no one in the right mind should have allowed. Look where Sachem is now! One of the biggest in terms of size and they are on the balls of their butts because of a board that had too many members looking out for 1 or 2 (usually shared the same last name with a board member) kids opposed to the entire club.

A good amount of these people serving on the boards across the youth soccer clubs are there for all the wrong reasons. I saw it firsthand and I witness it now from a distance. Then you add the competition/threat from Susa and they are so far behind before the gates even open. They will continue to exist but it will never got back to what it was and there will continue to be consolidation.

You and I are completely on the same page on the topic of TG. Again, SB board will own this decision of bringing on the likes of TG but then again it will be the surrounding communities and more importantly the KIDS that suffer.

I like KK a lot. I wish somehow he stepped in more than he does. I get why he doesn't. Most people I know respect him and what he stands for. Sure he has made some business moves that have hurt his reputation but for the people that know what he is about we all see that his intentions are good and he does care about the kids. At the end of the day the snakes should not be involved in youth soccer because they mess it up for the good ones and even when the good ones make a mistake here or there which is called being human, they get lumped in with the cesspool of fast talking trainers who couldn't hold down a job in the real world.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 06:15 PM
Sounds like we are on the same page except for MN. You see everything else clearly but him.
Imagine having his job and trying to keep EVERYONE happy. It's an impossible position to be in. He's a GOOD guy! Sure he makes mistake, who doesn't? Having him replaced by a dirtbag (TG's agenda is TG) is the worst thing the SB board can do.

I haven't seen any board anywhere make the right decisions, though as their agendas are also about themselves. The idea of a volunteer board should be obsolete. It never works out for anyone but the board members.

Hire the board, have them be there to promote their club, take care of the kids and fire them if they don't do their job. The only answer and it won't happen. Too many board members with n power in their lives except being a board member. Let's all pretend to be smart, be caring, be hard-working, and unbiased. Not going to happen as who will clean it up? It's time to look at things from a business perspective that is not self-agenda-based!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 07:04 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Sounds like we are on the same page except for MN. You see everything else clearly but him.
Imagine having his job and trying to keep EVERYONE happy. It's an impossible position to be in. He's a GOOD guy! Sure he makes mistake, who doesn't? Having him replaced by a dirtbag (TG's agenda is TG) is the worst thing the SB board can do.

I haven't seen any board anywhere make the right decisions, though as their agendas are also about themselves. The idea of a volunteer board should be obsolete. It never works out for anyone but the board members.

Hire the board, have them be there to promote their club, take care of the kids and fire them if they don't do their job. The only answer and it won't happen. Too many board members with n power in their lives except being a board member. Let's all pretend to be smart, be caring, be hard-working, and unbiased. Not going to happen as who will clean it up? It's time to look at things from a business perspective that is not self-agenda-based!!!

Hi CJ,

Nail to head. The boards are usually the root of the problem.

I will say this about Nash and leave it there. I saw him before Covid do something with a player during a game that altered my opinion of him at the time in a good way. One of his players was injured on purpose from a brut of a player that should have been thrown out of the game way before this foul. He was so kind and gentle with his player and I remember turning to my wife and saying that is a person you want your kid being looked after by. It was genuine and he didn't lose his temper on the young referee or the other coach. He looked after his player who needed him. Do my children have coaches like that right now? NO they don't. My one child's coach yells at the players when they are on the ground from being hard fouled and doesn't get up fast enough (kids are under 12).

So in fairness to Nash I share this because he IS a hard worker and good for the youth soccer landscape, however he is dealing with a run away train and when he places his name on some of the poor decisions he owns the decisions and the outcome of those decisions. I hope he speaks up against TG.

Hey Larry,

You and I have spoken off line about people that are stinking it up for the good ones. I am not perfect and know my limits. The issue here is these people who are selling the snake oil have no limits. They are hardly held accountable and they continue to exist; some even thrive. One of the main drivers allowing them to exist and thrive is some of the parents who focus on the wrong things so they allow way too much really bad behavior from the soccer people in their kids lives.

I have watched for several years parents allow their kids get humiliated in front of their teammates, coaches do things to other kids or families that you and I would be fired on the spot for in any other industry and that same parent will speak up only if their kids playing time gets cut or kids position gets changed. Just as some bad youth soccer professionals are ruining it for their peers, bad parents are allowing the bad soccer pros to exist.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 07:16 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Sounds like we are on the same page except for MN. You see everything else clearly but him.
Imagine having his job and trying to keep EVERYONE happy. It's an impossible position to be in. He's a GOOD guy! Sure he makes mistake, who doesn't? Having him replaced by a dirtbag (TG's agenda is TG) is the worst thing the SB board can do.

I haven't seen any board anywhere make the right decisions, though as their agendas are also about themselves. The idea of a volunteer board should be obsolete. It never works out for anyone but the board members.

Hire the board, have them be there to promote their club, take care of the kids and fire them if they don't do their job. The only answer and it won't happen. Too many board members with n power in their lives except being a board member. Let's all pretend to be smart, be caring, be hard-working, and unbiased. Not going to happen as who will clean it up? It's time to look at things from a business perspective that is not self-agenda-based!!!

This never would have happened under past presidents of SB.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 07:18 PM
Smithtown is not loosing players to SUSA or anyon else.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 09:11 PM
So now what happens to these kids? Do they stay with SB/LGN or leave and go to a better club?
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 10:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Sounds like we are on the same page except for MN. You see everything else clearly but him.
Imagine having his job and trying to keep EVERYONE happy. It's an impossible position to be in. He's a GOOD guy! Sure he makes mistake, who doesn't? Having him replaced by a dirtbag (TG's agenda is TG) is the worst thing the SB board can do.

I haven't seen any board anywhere make the right decisions, though as their agendas are also about themselves. The idea of a volunteer board should be obsolete. It never works out for anyone but the board members.

Hire the board, have them be there to promote their club, take care of the kids and fire them if they don't do their job. The only answer and it won't happen. Too many board members with n power in their lives except being a board member. Let's all pretend to be smart, be caring, be hard-working, and unbiased. Not going to happen as who will clean it up? It's time to look at things from a business perspective that is not self-agenda-based!!!

This never would have happened under past presidents of SB.

I do agree that the past President that I knew would have "tried" to make things right. The board ties hands.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Smithtown is not loosing players to SUSA or anyon else.

Hahahahaha! OK!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 11:25 PM
Everyone losing players to SUSA that’s why they merging!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 11:29 PM
The last president just let board members steal from the club
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/18/21 11:40 PM
Don’t think it’s LGN. For the first time in as long as my kids have been through this club....LGN has a President who has turned this place around. It’s finally run efficiently and responsive to the community. Very contrary to the past few presidents and TG’s [****] of organization.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 12:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Smithtown is not loosing players to SUSA or anyon else.


Smithtown has been losing kids for years to susa, Thats why Lips brought in the Slammers. Trying to keep kids from leaving.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 12:16 AM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Smithtown is not loosing players to SUSA or anyon else.

Hahahahaha! OK!!

Smithtown is losing players to everyone.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 07:56 AM
Is it me or if someone stands to profit from a non for profit like (LGN) then how does a person (like TG ) become a member of the board isn’t that a complete conflict of interest? Is that the situation?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 12:11 PM
Now slammers gets to take all of your good players SB and LGN. This has been going on for the last year but with this announcement, you are officially dead. Go sign your checks over to slammers now. They will now be able to rival Susa.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now slammers gets to take all of your good players SB and LGN. This has been going on for the last year but with this announcement, you are officially dead. Go sign your checks over to slammers now. They will now be able to rival Susa.

Seriously, you need to put that bottle down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 01:43 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now slammers gets to take all of your good players SB and LGN. This has been going on for the last year but with this announcement, you are officially dead. Go sign your checks over to slammers now. They will now be able to rival Susa.

Seriously, you need to put that bottle down.

CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 01:55 PM
CJ, does Kurt stay at SB now with the disaster of LGN coming in???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 01:55 PM
everyone wants to be the home depot of soccer which started with SUSA. I don't blame town teams merging to have more talent. I still have not seen a mass exodus from slammers players going anywhere.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CJ, does Kurt stay at SB now with the disaster of LGN coming in???

Kurt will decide what to do and then do it.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now slammers gets to take all of your good players SB and LGN. This has been going on for the last year but with this announcement, you are officially dead. Go sign your checks over to slammers now. They will now be able to rival Susa.

Seriously, you need to put that bottle down.

CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 02:19 PM
Which the way things are looking if you’re a town club or small academy you’d better start paying attention to writing on the wall. The only way to stop the exodus to Susa will be to provide a superior product, great customer relations, great training with attention to detail and recruiting! Otherwise your top tier players will no doubt end up there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 02:56 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now slammers gets to take all of your good players SB and LGN. This has been going on for the last year but with this announcement, you are officially dead. Go sign your checks over to slammers now. They will now be able to rival Susa.

Seriously, you need to put that bottle down.

CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

Other than Joe Scally (who went pro but could have gone to a top D1 school), what is Kurt's record with college recruiting? People have been [****] on TG for his recruiting record but I am not sure that Kurt is even close to that. The boys from his old 03 team seems to all be going to D2/D3 schools. I am sure that Larry wouldn't approve of that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 02:58 PM
I wonder if it's LGN's reliance on having to rent fields for their games that drove this. Having access to Stony Brook's fields will save them a fortune.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now slammers gets to take all of your good players SB and LGN. This has been going on for the last year but with this announcement, you are officially dead. Go sign your checks over to slammers now. They will now be able to rival Susa.

Seriously, you need to put that bottle down.

CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

Other than Joe Scally (who went pro but could have gone to a top D1 school), what is Kurt's record with college recruiting? People have been [****] on TG for his recruiting record but I am not sure that Kurt is even close to that. The boys from his old 03 team seems to all be going to D2/D3 schools. I am sure that Larry wouldn't approve of that.

Now that you brought me into this let me be very clear. I dont give a [****] about D1, D2, orD3. That is totally meaningless to me. Looking at that is taking your eye off the prize which is what school is best academically, niot which school spends more on sports programs. You are all clueless about the "D" designation of a school. A school can be D1 and ranked academically in the 200's. Seems to me that once you learned you were having children you needed to plan on how to pay for college because soccer isn't going to do that for you especially currently with the current health issues.

Boggom line is do you want your child to be a success in adulthood or be a soccer trainer working out of his/her car like Tim Graham at age 52?
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now slammers gets to take all of your good players SB and LGN. This has been going on for the last year but with this announcement, you are officially dead. Go sign your checks over to slammers now. They will now be able to rival Susa.

Seriously, you need to put that bottle down.

CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

Other than Joe Scally (who went pro but could have gone to a top D1 school), what is Kurt's record with college recruiting? People have been [****] on TG for his recruiting record but I am not sure that Kurt is even close to that. The boys from his old 03 team seems to all be going to D2/D3 schools. I am sure that Larry wouldn't approve of that.

On that subject... I know for a FACT that TG does absolutely nothing to help in the college recruiting process. The kids promote themselves. PLEASE!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Which the way things are looking if you’re a town club or small academy you’d better start paying attention to writing on the wall. The only way to stop the exodus to Susa will be to provide a superior product, great customer relations, great training with attention to detail and recruiting! Otherwise your top tier players will no doubt end up there

They all miss the details which is why they’re scrambling now bc a sub par club has access to nice fields and competitive leagues. What most clubs don’t understand is parents will stick it out through the end if they know you are in it to help their child not only your pockets. Trying to chase the dollar you’ll lose to Susa every time
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 03:42 PM
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CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

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All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

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Other than Joe Scally (who went pro but could have gone to a top D1 school), what is Kurt's record with college recruiting? People have been [****] on TG for his recruiting record but I am not sure that Kurt is even close to that. The boys from his old 03 team seems to all be going to D2/D3 schools. I am sure that Larry wouldn't approve of that.

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On that subject... I know for a FACT that TG does absolutely nothing to help in the college recruiting process. The kids promote themselves. PLEASE!!!!

Tim's 03 team has a bunch of boys that have been recruited. Tim must have done something to help with that. And I notice that you just attacked Tim rather than responding to the question about Kurt. What is Kurt's recruiting record?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

Originally Posted by CJ
All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Other than Joe Scally (who went pro but could have gone to a top D1 school), what is Kurt's record with college recruiting? People have been [****] on TG for his recruiting record but I am not sure that Kurt is even close to that. The boys from his old 03 team seems to all be going to D2/D3 schools. I am sure that Larry wouldn't approve of that.

Originally Posted by CJ
On that subject... I know for a FACT that TG does absolutely nothing to help in the college recruiting process. The kids promote themselves. PLEASE!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tim's 03 team has a bunch of boys that have been recruited. Tim must have done something to help with that. And I notice that you just attacked Tim rather than responding to the question about Kurt. What is Kurt's recruiting record?

Exactly what schools were Tim’s 03 players recruited to, and exactly what did Tim do to assist in their recruitment assuming your recruitment claim in true?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

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All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

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Other than Joe Scally (who went pro but could have gone to a top D1 school), what is Kurt's record with college recruiting? People have been [****] on TG for his recruiting record but I am not sure that Kurt is even close to that. The boys from his old 03 team seems to all be going to D2/D3 schools. I am sure that Larry wouldn't approve of that.

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On that subject... I know for a FACT that TG does absolutely nothing to help in the college recruiting process. The kids promote themselves. PLEASE!!!!

Tim's 03 team has a bunch of boys that have been recruited. Tim must have done something to help with that. And I notice that you just attacked Tim rather than responding to the question about Kurt. What is Kurt's recruiting record?

Since you seem to be an advocate for promoting Tim Graham perhaps you can tell us what the judgment amount $10,744.00 against him at Holy Cross College was all about, and if Tim Graham has plans to perform the same service for Stony Brook?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

Exactly what schools were Tim’s 03 players recruited to?, and exactly what did Tim do assist in their recruitment assuming your claim in true?[/quote]

Bucknell, George Washington, SUNY Albany, LIU, CSI, Cortland, Oswego, St. Rose, Molloy, Springfield, and another kid is being recruited by Manhattan (and another turned down Hofstra). Call TG what you want, but that's not a bad list (especially during Covid) and no other local 03 team is even close. Sure there is no Ivy League school on the list, but they are all schools that the kids wanted to go to. Some got money and some didn't (mostly due to Covid which was true for a lot of recruits this year in general). As to the other question for what TG did for recruiting, that's a loaded question because anybody who knows the process knows that most of the work is on the boys to play well and get good grades. TG's biggest contribution is putting the team in the top bracket of every tournament to get looks by coaches. He will make occasional phone calls to coaches I am sure too. Does he have tons of connections? I don't know but I doubt it. But what other coach or trainer on Long Island with connections has done any better? TG has his issues - there is no doubt that is true. But you can't just ignore the reality just because he is a jerk.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

Exactly what schools were Tim’s 03 players recruited to?, and exactly what did Tim do assist in their recruitment assuming your claim in true?

Bucknell, George Washington, SUNY Albany, LIU, CSI, Cortland, Oswego, St. Rose, Molloy, Springfield, and another kid is being recruited by Manhattan (and another turned down Hofstra). Call TG what you want, but that's not a bad list (especially during Covid) and no other local 03 team is even close. Sure there is no Ivy League school on the list, but they are all schools that the kids wanted to go to. Some got money and some didn't (mostly due to Covid which was true for a lot of recruits this year in general). As to the other question for what TG did for recruiting, that's a loaded question because anybody who knows the process knows that most of the work is on the boys to play well and get good grades. TG's biggest contribution is putting the team in the top bracket of every tournament to get looks by coaches. He will make occasional phone calls to coaches I am sure too. Does he have tons of connections? I don't know but I doubt it. But what other coach or trainer on Long Island with connections has done any better? TG has his issues - there is no doubt that is true. But you can't just ignore the reality just because he is a jerk.[/quote]

Hahahahahaha!! I have no words, just laughter! Great post!
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

Exactly what schools were Tim’s 03 players recruited to?, and exactly what did Tim do assist in their recruitment assuming your claim in true?

Originally Posted by anonymous
Bucknell, George Washington, SUNY Albany, LIU, CSI, Cortland, Oswego, St. Rose, Molloy, Springfield, and another kid is being recruited by Manhattan (and another turned down Hofstra). Call TG what you want, but that's not a bad list (especially during Covid) and no other local 03 team is even close. Sure there is no Ivy League school on the list, but they are all schools that the kids wanted to go to. Some got money and some didn't (mostly due to Covid which was true for a lot of recruits this year in general). As to the other question for what TG did for recruiting, that's a loaded question because anybody who knows the process knows that most of the work is on the boys to play well and get good grades. TG's biggest contribution is putting the team in the top bracket of every tournament to get looks by coaches. He will make occasional phone calls to coaches I am sure too. Does he have tons of connections? I don't know but I doubt it. But what other coach or trainer on Long Island with connections has done any better? TG has his issues - there is no doubt that is true. But you can't just ignore the reality just because he is a jerk.

I think that is a repost which I responded but let me be even more emphatic....those are not great schools with the possible exceptions of Bucknell and GW. A few local schools, again not at the top of the pile. If you (student) need help with a state school, or local school like Molloy, or an academically ranked school below 150, I dont understand why anyone would want to credit Timmy or brag about that, but I guess you gotta go with whatcha got.

I have to say for me none of those schools would be acceptable to me as a parent of my two children as students.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:35 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

[quote]All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!


Since you seem to be an advocate for promoting Tim Graham perhaps you can tell us what the judgment amount $10,744.00 against him at Holy Cross College was all about, and if Tim Graham has plans to perform the same service for Stony Brook?

You are wrong. I am not an advocate for TG. He will sell the Brooklyn Bridge to the same person 2X. And he is probably not a good candidate to be the DOC of an organized club. But that doesn't mean I can't be objective about him as well. And I have no idea about the judgment. I know he went there so maybe it's for unpaid tuition. I just don't see the connection between an unpaid judgment and the ability to train kids for soccer. Because the amount of people that have judgments against them is staggering. But it doesn't mean that they are criminals or that there isn't another issue that caused the judgment that we don't know about. Being objective doesn't make me his advocate. It just means that I can try to see both sides.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
[quote=Anonymous]
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CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

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All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!


Since you seem to be an advocate for promoting Tim Graham perhaps you can tell us what the judgment amount $10,744.00 against him at Holy Cross College was all about, and if Tim Graham has plans to perform the same service for Stony Brook?

You are wrong. I am not an advocate for TG. He will sell the Brooklyn Bridge to the same person 2X. And he is probably not a good candidate to be the DOC of an organized club. But that doesn't mean I can't be objective about him as well. And I have no idea about the judgment. I know he went there so maybe it's for unpaid tuition. I just don't see the connection between an unpaid judgment and the ability to train kids for soccer. Because the amount of people that have judgments against them is staggering. But it doesn't mean that they are criminals or that there isn't another issue that caused the judgment that we don't know about. Being objective doesn't make me his advocate. It just means that I can try to see both sides.

Here is one connection without knowing what he did to get involved in a court case that he lost. It goes to character. Tim is not someone who should be mentoring children. Tim has no character. If Tim went to college and at age 52 he is living in an apartment and working out of his car do you really think he is a role model for teens? Do you? WTF is Stony Brook thinking?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:47 PM
Bucknell, George Washington, SUNY Albany, LIU, CSI, Cortland, Oswego, St. Rose, Molloy, Springfield, and another kid is being recruited by Manhattan (and another turned down Hofstra). Call TG what you want, but that's not a bad list (especially during Covid) and no other local 03 team is even close. Sure there is no Ivy League school on the list, but they are all schools that the kids wanted to go to. Some got money and some didn't (mostly due to Covid which was true for a lot of recruits this year in general). As to the other question for what TG did for recruiting, that's a loaded question because anybody who knows the process knows that most of the work is on the boys to play well and get good grades. TG's biggest contribution is putting the team in the top bracket of every tournament to get looks by coaches. He will make occasional phone calls to coaches I am sure too. Does he have tons of connections? I don't know but I doubt it. But what other coach or trainer on Long Island with connections has done any better? TG has his issues - there is no doubt that is true. But you can't just ignore the reality just because he is a jerk.[/quote]

I think that is a repost which I responded but let me be even more emphatic....those are not great schools with the possible exceptions of Bucknell and GW. A few local schools, again not at the top of the pile. If you (student) need help with a state school, or local school like Molloy, or an academically ranked school below 150, I dont understand why anyone would want to credit Timmy or brag about that, but I guess you gotta go with whatcha got.[/quote]

Let me just understand something - when you say a student needs "help" are you ignoring the fact that you also need a coach to want you on their team in addition to the regular admission's process? Are you saying that that's easy to do? Because I think most people would disagree. Some kids want to play college in soccer and aren't able to go to Cornell or Tufts. Some kids don't have the grades to get into a better college and soccer helps them. And for some, English is a second language and financial constraints would prevent them from going to college at all without soccer. It's easy for us to act like SUNY Albany isn't a good school. But remember that their admissions rate is only about 54%. So almost half of the kids are rejected without soccer. And since most kids that have higher aspirations are going to have to go to grad school anyway, I am not sure that Albany or Cortland will hurt their chances at being successful in life. I guess the point is that we shouldn't diminish the accomplishments of kids simply because they aren't going to a Top 20 college.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now slammers gets to take all of your good players SB and LGN. This has been going on for the last year but with this announcement, you are officially dead. Go sign your checks over to slammers now. They will now be able to rival Susa.

Seriously, you need to put that bottle down.

CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

Other than Joe Scally (who went pro but could have gone to a top D1 school), what is Kurt's record with college recruiting? People have been [****] on TG for his recruiting record but I am not sure that Kurt is even close to that. The boys from his old 03 team seems to all be going to D2/D3 schools. I am sure that Larry wouldn't approve of that.

That probably has a lot to do with D1 Schools not being able to do any IN person recruiting for the last year. Really killed the 03 age group.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:54 PM
You are wrong. I am not an advocate for TG. He will sell the Brooklyn Bridge to the same person 2X. And he is probably not a good candidate to be the DOC of an organized club. But that doesn't mean I can't be objective about him as well. And I have no idea about the judgment. I know he went there so maybe it's for unpaid tuition. I just don't see the connection between an unpaid judgment and the ability to train kids for soccer. Because the amount of people that have judgments against them is staggering. But it doesn't mean that they are criminals or that there isn't another issue that caused the judgment that we don't know about. Being objective doesn't make me his advocate. It just means that I can try to see both sides.[/quote]

Here is one connection without knowing what he did to get involved in a court case that he lost. It goes to character. Tim is not someone who should be mentoring children. Tim has no character. If Tim went to college and at age 52 he is living in an apartment and working out of his car do you really think he is a role model for teens? Do you? WTF is Stony Brook thinking?[/quote]

I will again disagree but not because I think that you are totally wrong. I will just say that there is a benefit for kids in life after dealing with a personality like TG. He does have the ability to be an asshole and gets into the heads of kids. If a kid can deal with that and handle the pressure of playing soccer at a high level, then anything that comes their way in life will be much easier when they get older. And I am not sure that everybody that plays for him knows his personal situation so intimately. I truly think if you can deal with a personality like TG, you can deal with other tough situations as you get older. And for some kids, that's exactly what they need.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CJ where are all your players going then ? You don't have many true Atletico teams left. I hear even the older boys are looking elsewhere and that's a fact.

All of Kurt's players will do whatever is best for them. What a freaking idiot you are! One thing I do know is that it is amazing how many that play for this one and that one, come begging for Kurt to train them. THAT is a fact!

Exactly what schools were Tim’s 03 players recruited to?, and exactly what did Tim do assist in their recruitment assuming your claim in true?

Bucknell, George Washington, SUNY Albany, LIU, CSI, Cortland, Oswego, St. Rose, Molloy, Springfield, and another kid is being recruited by Manhattan (and another turned down Hofstra). Call TG what you want, but that's not a bad list (especially during Covid) and no other local 03 team is even close. Sure there is no Ivy League school on the list, but they are all schools that the kids wanted to go to. Some got money and some didn't (mostly due to Covid which was true for a lot of recruits this year in general). As to the other question for what TG did for recruiting, that's a loaded question because anybody who knows the process knows that most of the work is on the boys to play well and get good grades. TG's biggest contribution is putting the team in the top bracket of every tournament to get looks by coaches. He will make occasional phone calls to coaches I am sure too. Does he have tons of connections? I don't know but I doubt it. But what other coach or trainer on Long Island with connections has done any better? TG has his issues - there is no doubt that is true. But you can't just ignore the reality just because he is a jerk.

Hahahahahaha!! I have no words, just laughter! Great post![/quote]

But to be fair, can you tell me what Kurt's recruiting record is for college? I know that TG is deserving of much of the stuff on here, but has Kurt done any better for recruiting? That's a fair question and I truly don't know the answer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 05:06 PM
And Bucknell is a Top 30 school in the Country with a stellar reputation. Your kids are obviously at the upper end of the academic spectrum (I recall that one went to Cornell) and for that you should be very proud. Not everybody has the ability to go to these schools. But that doesn't mean that Bucknell or any of the other schools won't give kids a quality education.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 05:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And Bucknell is a Top 30 school in the Country with a stellar reputation. Your kids are obviously at the upper end of the academic spectrum (I recall that one went to Cornell) and for that you should be very proud. Not everybody has the ability to go to these schools. But that doesn't mean that Bucknell or any of the other schools won't give kids a quality education.

Bucknell is #34 and a very good school. Tuition is 75,000 a year. How much money did that child get? I doubt any as soccer is not a profit center for any school, except possibly Stanford or UNC. No, neither of my girls went to Cornell. Northwestern University and Duke for their undergraduate work, NY Law (#2), UNC for PE, and Masters, and Howard for PHD (#1).

I think every child has the ability to go to all the top schools if they have the desire. Playing soccer at any top school would not be allowed by me. There is no payoff in soccer at the college level because it takes too much time away from academics which are hard, and unlike football or basketball there is no golden pot in the pros.

Sorry, but this thought process oss of the importance of playing soccer in college totally escapes me and based on my own experience with my kids I think I'm dead-on-balls-accurate!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And Bucknell is a Top 30 school in the Country with a stellar reputation. Your kids are obviously at the upper end of the academic spectrum (I recall that one went to Cornell) and for that you should be very proud. Not everybody has the ability to go to these schools. But that doesn't mean that Bucknell or any of the other schools won't give kids a quality education.

Bucknell is #34 and a very good school. Tuition is 75,000 a year. How much money did that child get? I doubt any as soccer is not a profit center for any school, except possibly Stanford or UNC. No, neither of my girls went to Cornell. Northwestern University and Duke for their undergraduate work, NY Law (#2), UNC for PE, and Masters, and Howard for PHD (#1).

I think every child has the ability to go to all the top schools if they have the desire. Playing soccer at any top school would not be allowed by me. There is no payoff in soccer at the college level because it takes too much time away from academics which are hard, and unlike football or basketball there is no golden pot in the pros.

Sorry, but this thought process oss of the importance of playing soccer in college totally escapes me and based on my own experience with my kids I think I'm dead-on-balls-accurate!!

I understand your point but will still stand by the idea that getting into top colleges and grad schools is hard. Soccer helps some kids and we can't ignore that fact. As far as the colleges kids go to, if a kid has the desire to succeed, then he or she will. Northwestern is great and so is Duke. Your child went to NY Law for grad school. Was your child inhibited by the fact that NY Law is not near the top of the law school rankings? Because I am not sure of the difference in that and the concept that the schools that TG's kids went to aren't at the top of the college rankings. Not being critical, just trying to understand the difference since I am sure that your child is successful after going to NY Law.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And Bucknell is a Top 30 school in the Country with a stellar reputation. Your kids are obviously at the upper end of the academic spectrum (I recall that one went to Cornell) and for that you should be very proud. Not everybody has the ability to go to these schools. But that doesn't mean that Bucknell or any of the other schools won't give kids a quality education.

Bucknell is #34 and a very good school. Tuition is 75,000 a year. How much money did that child get? I doubt any as soccer is not a profit center for any school, except possibly Stanford or UNC. No, neither of my girls went to Cornell. Northwestern University and Duke for their undergraduate work, NY Law (#2), UNC for PE, and Masters, and Howard for PHD (#1).

I think every child has the ability to go to all the top schools if they have the desire. Playing soccer at any top school would not be allowed by me. There is no payoff in soccer at the college level because it takes too much time away from academics which are hard, and unlike football or basketball there is no golden pot in the pros.

Sorry, but this thought process oss of the importance of playing soccer in college totally escapes me and based on my own experience with my kids I think I'm dead-on-balls-accurate!!

I understand your point but will still stand by the idea that getting into top colleges and grad schools is hard. Soccer helps some kids and we can't ignore that fact. As far as the colleges kids go to, if a kid has the desire to succeed, then he or she will. Northwestern is great and so is Duke. Your child went to NY Law for grad school. Was your child inhibited by the fact that NY Law is not near the top of the law school rankings? Because I am not sure of the difference in that and the concept that the schools that TG's kids went to aren't at the top of the college rankings. Not being critical, just trying to understand the difference since I am sure that your child is successful after going to NY Law.


Lets see. How is my law student, errr, former law student doing? Currently has her own practice, lives in the Lower Hudson Valley, owns her own home situated on 24 acres. I guess NY Law did not do well for her smile

BTW, what top school or law school does your son/daughter attend or expect to attend? Being anonymous you can now brag harvard, or USC, or any school you want. Hey, how about Yale or Oxford? Go for it. There is no way to call you pisser because you're anonymous.

Don't any you folks have the balls to step out from behind your mother's kitchen apron? If you want to take this matter up with you will have be a registered user so I know who I am dealing with. Anon replies or discussions will not be addressed. You know who you are talking to and i deserve, actually demand the same or my word is the last word on this matter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 06:52 PM
CJ - Do you think it's fair that you trashed TG openly but when asked what Kurt has done for recruiting you don't answer? Why post on here at all if you can't be balanced?
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
CJ - Do you think it's fair that you trashed TG openly but when asked what Kurt has done for recruiting you don't answer? Why post on here at all if you can't be balanced?

I will tell you what... Who are you? You keep asking me questions that I don't have the answers to and then bitch at me for it. I have no idea what Kurt does or doesn't do when it comes to his players. I run KK Athletics, not Atletico. I am sure when his boys and girls get to the recruitment age, he will do at least what everyone else does. As for TG, my son played for him, he did squat for any of the kids on the team. The Admin did it all. Don't you dare bring my kid into it, either!!!

Sign in like a real tough guy and I will banter more with you! Like you, I have my own opinions and will state them. I can't demand anything from a troll. It is a very one-sided conversation and this side is over it. I am done with you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 07:56 PM
The slammers are the biggest joke in Suffolk county . There teams all suck Z that’s just facts . Parents lying extra money just for the name on the jersey . It’s quite comical. .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 08:01 PM
There’s no scholarships in soccer genius . There will always be town teams that will be just fine . Some of them even beat Susa at all age levels . As many people that join Susa a year the same leave . Top teams 22 kids 18 dress 0 making the World Cup . that’s comical
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 08:06 PM
Yeah the team that he smuggled in players from Uganda .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There’s no scholarships in soccer genius . There will always be town teams that will be just fine . Some of them even beat Susa at all age levels . As many people that join Susa a year the same leave . Top teams 22 kids 18 dress 0 making the World Cup . that’s comical

Quality players are flocking to Susa, fact! There’s not one club on the entire island that can make the same claim
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 09:18 PM
Curious what CJ and Larry’s thoughts are on slammers. They seem to be growing and now that SB and LGN have decided to do this ridiculous merger, slammers may be primed to get better kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 11:24 PM
Stop hating on Slammers. They are doing things the right way for once in this soccer cess pool known as Long Island
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 11:42 PM
Someone want to let the public know what has been decided?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/19/21 11:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone want to let the public know what has been decided?


I can do that. Nothing is decided yet. There are continuing discussions going on behind the scenes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 12:18 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone want to let the public know what has been decided?


I can do that. Nothing is decided yet. There are continuing discussions going on behind the scenes.

Sounds like code for "parents, get your checkbooks ready!"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 01:51 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone want to let the public know what has been decided?


I can do that. Nothing is decided yet. There are continuing discussions going on behind the scenes.

Board members are saying privately it is a done deal but some are getting concerned of the negative feedback online and from members.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 02:25 AM
Hot off the press.... merger is a no go! Go set up direct deposit with Susa, and tell your son how good you used to be when you were his age.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 01:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someone want to let the public know what has been decided?


I can do that. Nothing is decided yet. There are continuing discussions going on behind the scenes.

Board members are saying privately it is a done deal but some are getting concerned of the negative feedback online and from members.

What Feedback?? They haven't approached anyone in the club to ask for input (I guess typical), who has a chance to give feedback?!!? If they go ahead and do something major, without some means of seeking input from the families invested in the club, they deserve to be put out of business, which is a big old crying shame. I guess they learned nothing from their experience with KK.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 02:53 PM
LGN and SB kids are all leaving. Surf getting all the better ones. Don't be left without a team, get out while you still can
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 04:14 PM
Who’s going to Surf? What age group
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 05:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Stop hating on Slammers. They are doing things the right way for once in this soccer cess pool known as Long Island

What exact are they doing different than any other club thats the right way? they charge 3k a year. no in door facility. No fields. They keep posting on instagram about how their 04 boys team is 4th in the nation. Its actually an Amityville team that is wearing the slammers uniform. They didnt develop these kids. They basically bought a team. Slammers are a joke
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 05:46 PM
NY Hota is looking for top talent. They have their own field and fees are a fraction of other academy’s and clubs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 06:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LGN and SB kids are all leaving. Surf getting all the better ones. Don't be left without a team, get out while you still can

yes players are leaving, especially to a crap coach and trainer like tim graham
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 06:36 PM
The Stony Brook board needs to know if Timmy is going to be bringing in his brother Edward to be a paid faux coach or trainer. The SB board sure isn't doing a very thorough vetting of this 52 y/o child.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 07:05 PM
SURF? Hota? This is all nonsense. Players are not leaving in any significant numbers to these places which have no local presence. Nobody is trekking their kids to those places 3x a week for soccer, just not buying it.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SURF? Hota? This is all nonsense. Players are not leaving in any significant numbers to these places which have no local presence. Nobody is trekking their kids to those places 3x a week for soccer, just not buying it.


Maybe there are talks that might change that? For every action there is a reaction. In this case I’m confident they’ll be a reaction. This is it nonsense. What is nonsense is what’s going on at Stony Brook and it is not being well received by players and parents inside of stony Brook, It is being looked at as a possible windfall for the surrounding clubs who also, like stony Brook and Lake Grove, or bleeding players to Susa. They are hope, I’m sure is to be able to attract the stony Brook and Lake Grove players that are not happy with this change.

Also in this mix, which one has to consider, is whether AthletiCo is going to stay or hook up with someone else. Tim Graham will certainly screw over Kurt Kelley and the question is whether Kurt is going to stay around to get screwed or get his ass out of there while the gettin’ is good?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 07:35 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SURF? Hota? This is all nonsense. Players are not leaving in any significant numbers to these places which have no local presence. Nobody is trekking their kids to those places 3x a week for soccer, just not buying it.


Maybe there are talks that might change that? For every action there is a reaction. In this case I’m confident they’ll be a reaction. This is it nonsense. What is nonsense is what’s going on at Stony Brook and it is not being well received by players and parents inside of stony Brook, It is being looked at as a possible windfall for the surrounding clubs who also, like stony Brook and Lake Grove, or bleeding players to Susa. They are hope, I’m sure is to be able to attract the stony Brook and Lake Grove players that are not happy with this change.

Also in this mix, which one has to consider, is whether AthletiCo is going to stay or hook up with someone else. Tim Graham will certainly screw over Kurt Kelley and the question is whether Kurt is going to stay around to get screwed or get his ass out of there while the gettin’ is good?

The parents on our SB team have already said if they change our coach or disrupt the team we will move to another club after this season. Doubt we are the only team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 07:37 PM
"What is nonsense is what’s going on at Stony Brook and it is not being well received by players and parents inside of stony Brook,"

I might agree with this if i was aware of what is actually going on at Stony Brook. They haven't made anyone aware of what they are thinking. The only thing I know (as a Stony Brook parent) is that things are going as smoothly as things go with them at the moment. If they swoop in some major changes like what is being alluded to in this soccer blog, I expect Smithtown to get even busier. Their fields are only 5 min away from the SB fields....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 07:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"What is nonsense is what’s going on at Stony Brook and it is not being well received by players and parents inside of stony Brook,"

I might agree with this if i was aware of what is actually going on at Stony Brook. They haven't made anyone aware of what they are thinking. The only thing I know (as a Stony Brook parent) is that things are going as smoothly as things go with them at the moment. If they swoop in some major changes like what is being alluded to in this soccer blog, I expect Smithtown to get even busier. Their fields are only 5 min away from the SB fields....

They haven't made any official announcement but some board members are going around telling people. Sure the crack PR department is working overtime to put this in the best possible light. If that can even be done.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 08:30 PM
From witnessing several of them I’ve never seen a merger go well where all parties involved win. The Susa albertston merger caused several players who didn’t make ECNL to leave the club, which seems to be the common reaction with mergers. If players on either club who were on the “A” team doesn’t seem to ever settle for being place on “B” team after merger
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 09:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From witnessing several of them I’ve never seen a merger go well where all parties involved win. The Susa albertston merger caused several players who didn’t make ECNL to leave the club, which seems to be the common reaction with mergers. If players on either club who were on the “A” team doesn’t seem to ever settle for being place on “B” team after merger

Oh I am sure it is going to work out just fine for the board members kids.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 09:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From witnessing several of them I’ve never seen a merger go well where all parties involved win. The Susa albertston merger caused several players who didn’t make ECNL to leave the club, which seems to be the common reaction with mergers. If players on either club who were on the “A” team doesn’t seem to ever settle for being place on “B” team after merger

Oh I am sure it is going to work out just fine for the board members kids.

That, and Tim's pocketbook. Be very clear, Tim is only in this for the money. That has been his M.O. since forever.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 10:10 PM
What’s the obsession with Surf? This so called academy lost their whole 08’ team last year. I’m sure there’s less than a handful of kids from the Stony Brook area that will be traveling three days a week to Surf practice. Do they even have a team?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 10:11 PM
Its definitely possible that this could be a good thing, but the track record of making good choices is very thin.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/20/21 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s the obsession with Surf? This so called academy lost their whole 08’ team last year. I’m sure there’s less than a handful of kids from the Stony Brook area that will be traveling three days a week to Surf practice. Do they even have a team?

Did the mention of Surf make you nervous? I'll bet you may have heard what I have been old, have you and i that why you're shakey about SB kids looking towards Surf? IMO, the players and parents that should be looking are the Atletico kids before the deluge happens, and it will!!

MEMOto Kurt kelley: Tim Graham does always tell the truth. Let the SB board find out the hard say, but you know what you are being told from inside your house. I would suggest you listen to those words from those with direct experience and do whatcha gotta do....before it's too late.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 11:22 AM
More 08’s, 09’s and 2010’s leaving town teams and going to the academy’s. Surf and Susa will get a lot of LGN and SB kids in the next few weeks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 12:57 PM
From the Stony Brook Soccer By Laws:

"ARTICLE TWO
The purposes of the club are to foster and promote youth soccer in the Three Village area through education and training..."

Where is the part in there that says anything about merging with other town clubs outside the Three Village are?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From the Stony Brook Soccer By Laws:

"ARTICLE TWO
The purposes of the club are to foster and promote youth soccer in the Three Village area through education and training..."

Where is the part in there that says anything about merging with other town clubs outside the Three Village are?

I cant help but wonder what the Stony Brook University would think about the whoring out of their fields by the SB club? The university controls those fields and they are not liberal as I understand it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 03:08 PM
Hearing SURF will have 08 team next year? Rumor Athletico/SB and LGN kids headed there? The evolution of youth soccer...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From the Stony Brook Soccer By Laws:

"ARTICLE TWO
The purposes of the club are to foster and promote youth soccer in the Three Village area through education and training..."

Where is the part in there that says anything about merging with other town clubs outside the Three Village are?

I cant help but wonder what the Stony Brook University would think about the whoring out of their fields by the SB club? The university controls those fields and they are not liberal as I understand it.

This is a good question Larry. Presumably they don't care about the KK deal, and presumably as long as the "merger" retains that Stony Brook name to keep up appearances, AND they can pay the enournous bill the club pays to the University for the fields the University wont care.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 03:48 PM
Surf will be stacked in younger age groups. All of their younger teams are really good so look out for them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 04:26 PM
The best Choice in LI right now would be LISC. The organization, professionalism, and training are better than anything Surf can offer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 04:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From the Stony Brook Soccer By Laws:

"ARTICLE TWO
The purposes of the club are to foster and promote youth soccer in the Three Village area through education and training..."

Where is the part in there that says anything about merging with other town clubs outside the Three Village are?

I cant help but wonder what the Stony Brook University would think about the whoring out of their fields by the SB club? The university controls those fields and they are not liberal as I understand it.

This is a good question Larry. Presumably they don't care about the KK deal, and presumably as long as the "merger" retains that Stony Brook name to keep up appearances, AND they can pay the enournous bill the club pays to the University for the fields the University wont care.

Heard the relationship between the club and university is not that great.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 04:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best Choice in LI right now would be LISC. The organization, professionalism, and training are better than anything Surf can offer.

To quote CJ “please put the bottle down”
LISC is hands down below SUSA, EM and Surf. They are a b level club who pretend to be elite and can’t compete at highest levels.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From the Stony Brook Soccer By Laws:

"ARTICLE TWO
The purposes of the club are to foster and promote youth soccer in the Three Village area through education and training..."

Where is the part in there that says anything about merging with other town clubs outside the Three Village are?

I cant help but wonder what the Stony Brook University would think about the whoring out of their fields by the SB club? The university controls those fields and they are not liberal as I understand it.

This is a good question Larry. Presumably they don't care about the KK deal, and presumably as long as the "merger" retains that Stony Brook name to keep up appearances, AND they can pay the enournous bill the club pays to the University for the fields the University wont care.

Heard the relationship between the club and university is not that great.

If they get wind of this it could be worse....club members opposed to having their club hijaked by Graham, and he will hijak the club's players need to eiother speak up or move on...sorry Mark, but Tim's reputation in your area is well-founded.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 05:25 PM
I think Stonybrook should bring back Dave Phaff . He would be perfect fit for Graham and company .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 07:03 PM
Stony Brook group sounds like they have good intentions but just a little wet behind the ears. For the kids sake I hope they grow up quickly and realize there are no easy quick fixes, focus on player development the rest will fall into place otherwise beg Susa to merge now rather than later
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 08:19 PM
Most board members have there for years including the President.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/21/21 09:23 PM
Tim Graham not gonna help stony brook. Mash is gonna be out of a job very shortly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/22/21 01:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SURF? Hota? This is all nonsense. Players are not leaving in any significant numbers to these places which have no local presence. Nobody is trekking their kids to those places 3x a week for soccer, just not buying it.


Maybe there are talks that might change that? For every action there is a reaction. In this case I’m confident they’ll be a reaction. This is it nonsense. What is nonsense is what’s going on at Stony Brook and it is not being well received by players and parents inside of stony Brook, It is being looked at as a possible windfall for the surrounding clubs who also, like stony Brook and Lake Grove, or bleeding players to Susa. They are hope, I’m sure is to be able to attract the stony Brook and Lake Grove players that are not happy with this change.

Also in this mix, which one has to consider, is whether AthletiCo is going to stay or hook up with someone else. Tim Graham will certainly screw over Kurt Kelley and the question is whether Kurt is going to stay around to get screwed or get his ass out of there while the gettin’ is good?

The parents on our SB team have already said if they change our coach or disrupt the team we will move to another club after this season. Doubt we are the only team.

this is why we left Stony Brook, because of entitled parents like this poster. Roster spots are guaranteed for a year only. "Disrupt the team" lol its not your team you brat. Other kids have the right to make your team and displace your child. If you dont like it go back to intramurals
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/22/21 02:55 PM
Does anyone know who will be in charge? Will Nash remain as head person and Tim just coach teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/22/21 04:17 PM
Where does kk/Athletico fall in this merge?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/22/21 07:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
From the Stony Brook Soccer By Laws:

"ARTICLE TWO
The purposes of the club are to foster and promote youth soccer in the Three Village area through education and training..."

Where is the part in there that says anything about merging with other town clubs outside the Three Village are?

I cant help but wonder what the Stony Brook University would think about the whoring out of their fields by the SB club? The university controls those fields and they are not liberal as I understand it.

This is a good question Larry. Presumably they don't care about the KK deal, and presumably as long as the "merger" retains that Stony Brook name to keep up appearances, AND they can pay the enournous bill the club pays to the University for the fields the University wont care.

University has been trying to kick the program out for years, and they're slowly taking away things like the concession, etc. Only a matter of time before they're kicked out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/22/21 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
SURF? Hota? This is all nonsense. Players are not leaving in any significant numbers to these places which have no local presence. Nobody is trekking their kids to those places 3x a week for soccer, just not buying it.


Maybe there are talks that might change that? For every action there is a reaction. In this case I’m confident they’ll be a reaction. This is it nonsense. What is nonsense is what’s going on at Stony Brook and it is not being well received by players and parents inside of stony Brook, It is being looked at as a possible windfall for the surrounding clubs who also, like stony Brook and Lake Grove, or bleeding players to Susa. They are hope, I’m sure is to be able to attract the stony Brook and Lake Grove players that are not happy with this change.

Also in this mix, which one has to consider, is whether AthletiCo is going to stay or hook up with someone else. Tim Graham will certainly screw over Kurt Kelley and the question is whether Kurt is going to stay around to get screwed or get his ass out of there while the gettin’ is good?

The parents on our SB team have already said if they change our coach or disrupt the team we will move to another club after this season. Doubt we are the only team.

Let me guess. 2009 girls.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/22/21 08:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
University has been trying to kick the program out for years, and they're slowly taking away things like the concession, etc. Only a matter of time before they're kicked out.

The club was doing such a terrible job keeping up the place they were making the University look bad. University decided to take control of the fields so they could maintain them properly. They charge an arm and a leg for it in fact, but as long as the club pays up the Univ. doesn’t care 2 squats about the club, that’s the truth. IMO Great lights, better bathroom situation, all improvements, worth the money? IDK, maybe not if they have to make sketchy deals that will jeopardize their future in order to keep it.
Hopefully one day the fields will reopen fully and things can get back to the way they were (admittedly, there is room for improvement on that).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/22/21 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
University has been trying to kick the program out for years, and they're slowly taking away things like the concession, etc. Only a matter of time before they're kicked out.

The club was doing such a terrible job keeping up the place they were making the University look bad. University decided to take control of the fields so they could maintain them properly. They charge an arm and a leg for it in fact, but as long as the club pays up the Univ. doesn’t care 2 squats about the club, that’s the truth. IMO Great lights, better bathroom situation, all improvements, worth the money? IDK, maybe not if they have to make sketchy deals that will jeopardize their future in order to keep it.
Hopefully one day the fields will reopen fully and things can get back to the way they were (admittedly, there is room for improvement on that).

It was over five years ago that Stony Brook first approached Lake Grove about Lake Grove using a portion of the Stony Brook fields to help cover the high price that the University charged. I know that because I was in the board meeting where it was discussed. So this may not be as much of a merger as it is just a field sharing agreement but with LGN teams being Stony Brook teams on paper and wearing Stony Brook uniforms to keep the University happy.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 12:04 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

University has been trying to kick the program out for years, and they're slowly taking away things like the concession, etc. Only a matter of time before they're kicked out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The club was doing such a terrible job keeping up the place they were making the University look bad. University decided to take control of the fields so they could maintain them properly. They charge an arm and a leg for it in fact, but as long as the club pays up the Univ. doesn’t care 2 squats about the club, that’s the truth. IMO Great lights, better bathroom situation, all improvements, worth the money? IDK, maybe not if they have to make sketchy deals that will jeopardize their future in order to keep it.
Hopefully one day the fields will reopen fully and things can get back to the way they were (admittedly, there is room for improvement on that).

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was over five years ago that Stony Brook first approached Lake Grove about Lake Grove using a portion of the Stony Brook fields to help cover the high price that the University charged. I know that because I was in the board meeting where it was discussed. So this may not be as much of a merger as it is just a field sharing agreement but with LGN teams being Stony Brook teams on paper and wearing Stony Brook uniforms to keep the University happy.

No, no, no, that can't be it. I'm told it is because Stony Brook wants the registration dollars. I asked if SB gets the registration money what does LGN get? I was then told it has to do with Graham getting training money PLUS a salary. I am still asking who is getting what while the players and parents are being treated like chattel. Sorry, but this whole thing does not compute, and then there is KK.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 12:23 AM
Larry, thanks for this thread, as a SB parent invested in the success of my kids team I am glad to know about this ahead of time so I can thin about it, since the club hasn't made anything public. For the record, if the club is having a serious problem that it needs to be considering this, I am open to it but want to hear the reasoning, pros and cons. I hope the club does the right thing for the sake of the families who just want a good team experience for their kids without high pressure.
Can you please just want to clarify for me that your "objection" is that LGN is run by Tim Gramm, a guy you (seriously) don't respect? If both clubs are having numbers issues (though this is a different subject), then there is a chance this could solve that. If Mr. Gramm wasn't an issue then what do you think about this situation as a solution to the problems of these long running local clubs. Thanks in advance.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 12:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry, thanks for this thread, as a SB parent invested in the success of my kids team I am glad to know about this ahead of time so I can thin about it, since the club hasn't made anything public. For the record, if the club is having a serious problem that it needs to be considering this, I am open to it but want to hear the reasoning, pros and cons. I hope the club does the right thing for the sake of the families who just want a good team experience for their kids without high pressure.
Can you please just want to clarify for me that your "objection" is that LGN is run by Tim Gramm, a guy you (seriously) don't respect? If both clubs are having numbers issues (though this is a different subject), then there is a chance this could solve that. If Mr. Gramm wasn't an issue then what do you think about this situation as a solution to the problems of these long running local clubs. Thanks in advance.

The issue is Tim Graham. Graham is pushing this. Yes, SB needs to do something, but Tim Graham and LGN are not the answer. Graham is another super BS salesman and knows how to "con" parents and players. Just ask CJ who has had personal experiences, and for me, Tim stabbed BOTN in back after BOTN worked magic for one of his teams. I truly believe that this deal will not benefit the players or parents, but maybe the SB board and their kids.

As for me, whatever they do has no effect nor does it affect me in anyway, which is the same throughout the youth soccer world as I have zero involvement with any team, club, or league. BOTN looks out for parents and their kids because like you point out, you have no idea what your club is planning since disgussing with the paying parents it not part of their agenda. You dont count.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 04:43 PM
Of course it will benefit the board members kids(at least they think that). That is all they care about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 05:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course it will benefit the board members kids(at least they think that). That is all they care about.


You are 100% correct. These board members are only considered with their own kids Tried hard to bully KK and his admins too. BUT hear this, even the great, highly exulted Tim Graham (ask him, he'll tell ya) can't put a right foot on players with two left feet, got that Linda and Rob Ward? When are you guys ever going to learn that you owe your members, they don't owe you!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course it will benefit the board members kids(at least they think that). That is all they care about.


You are 100% correct. These board members are only considered with their own kids Tried hard to bully KK and his admins too. BUT hear this, even the great, highly exulted Tim Graham (ask him, he'll tell ya) can't put a right foot on players with two left feet, got that Linda and Rob Ward? When are you guys ever going to learn that you owe your members, they don't owe you!!!!

The whole board is at fault for letting the Wards run everything.
As a father of a player that played for him (Tim) I was under no belief that my child was the next great thing all my child wanted to do was to see what they could achieve in the sport. But after a few B.S. conversations (which you will hear) with him to secure my child's commitment to the team and a few good practices, you will notice the defects in the training and coaching starts to show.

To all the SB, run do not hire him, if you like seeing your highly paid trainer sitting in a chair or ground looking like a homeless person collecting cans on the side of the road and having some of his players from other teams run the practice than he is the man for you. Over half the practice will consist of running in the beginning and the end (which my child did on their own time) which does not cost me anything.

He is paid to train soccer not to be a conditioning trainer, and if a kid does not have the conditioning then they should not play (my child included). His teams will enter high level tournaments with alot of travel, which I love and can afford but to watch an 18 player team go to Nationals with 5 kids never coming off the bench is just sad. This is not a pro team is and the child isn’t getting a Scholarship (free education) so playing time should be a given, even 5 or 10 minutes a half.

Just so you are aware my child did play but to see the faces of the players that didn’t was just killing me and my child. So, if your child is in the top 11 or 13 they will see the field, but the rest of the roster are only a 2 legged ATM in his eyes.

My child now plays for a different team for the last year and half and is happy and just to remind the parents reading this HAPPY. Just so all the readers understand I am no snowflake and does not feel every child should get an award, awards and accolades should be earned.

My child does not see teammates being used as an ATM or being told they suck, oh yes you will be paying a person to tell them they suck. He will seem nice at first but no communication with parents, none.

It will be the worst thing you could ever do is hire him, you are better off walking up to your son and kick him in the B@lls since the same look on his face will be the same look he gives you when he sits the bench or 5 games without playing....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by LoveThisGame20
As a father of a player that played for him (Tim) I was under no belief that my child was the next great thing all my child wanted to do was to see what they could achieve in the sport. But after a few B.S. conversations (which you will hear) with him to secure my child's commitment to the team and a few good practices, you will notice the defects in the training and coaching starts to show.

To all the SB, run do not hire him, if you like seeing your highly paid trainer sitting in a chair or ground looking like a homeless person collecting cans on the side of the road and having some of his players from other teams run the practice than he is the man for you. Over half the practice will consist of running in the beginning and the end (which my child did on their own time) which does not cost me anything.

He is paid to train soccer not to be a conditioning trainer, and if a kid does not have the conditioning then they should not play (my child included). His teams will enter high level tournaments with alot of travel, which I love and can afford but to watch an 18 player team go to Nationals with 5 kids never coming off the bench is just sad. This is not a pro team is and the child isn’t getting a Scholarship (free education) so playing time should be a given, even 5 or 10 minutes a half.

Just so you are aware my child did play but to see the faces of the players that didn’t was just killing me and my child. So, if your child is in the top 11 or 13 they will see the field, but the rest of the roster are only a 2 legged ATM in his eyes.

My child now plays for a different team for the last year and half and is happy and just to remind the parents reading this HAPPY. Just so all the readers understand I am no snowflake and does not feel every child should get an award, awards and accolades should be earned.

My child does not see teammates being used as an ATM or being told they suck, oh yes you will be paying a person to tell them they suck. He will seem nice at first but no communication with parents, none.

It will be the worst thing you could ever do is hire him, you are better off walking up to your son and kick him in the B@lls since the same look on his face will be the same look he gives you when he sits the bench or 5 games without playing....

I feel this is the first sincere post about TG with personal feelings left to the side. Thank You.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by LoveThisGame20
As a father of a player that played for him (Tim) I was under no belief that my child was the next great thing all my child wanted to do was to see what they could achieve in the sport. But after a few B.S. conversations (which you will hear) with him to secure my child's commitment to the team and a few good practices, you will notice the defects in the training and coaching starts to show.

To all the SB, run do not hire him, if you like seeing your highly paid trainer sitting in a chair or ground looking like a homeless person collecting cans on the side of the road and having some of his players from other teams run the practice than he is the man for you. Over half the practice will consist of running in the beginning and the end (which my child did on their own time) which does not cost me anything.

He is paid to train soccer not to be a conditioning trainer, and if a kid does not have the conditioning then they should not play (my child included). His teams will enter high level tournaments with alot of travel, which I love and can afford but to watch an 18 player team go to Nationals with 5 kids never coming off the bench is just sad. This is not a pro team is and the child isn’t getting a Scholarship (free education) so playing time should be a given, even 5 or 10 minutes a half.

Just so you are aware my child did play but to see the faces of the players that didn’t was just killing me and my child. So, if your child is in the top 11 or 13 they will see the field, but the rest of the roster are only a 2 legged ATM in his eyes.

My child now plays for a different team for the last year and half and is happy and just to remind the parents reading this HAPPY. Just so all the readers understand I am no snowflake and does not feel every child should get an award, awards and accolades should be earned.

My child does not see teammates being used as an ATM or being told they suck, oh yes you will be paying a person to tell them they suck. He will seem nice at first but no communication with parents, none.

It will be the worst thing you could ever do is hire him, you are better off walking up to your son and kick him in the B@lls since the same look on his face will be the same look he gives you when he sits the bench or 5 games without playing....

I have personally seen all of this myself. I see that nothing has changed. Still a loser!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 05:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course it will benefit the board members kids(at least they think that). That is all they care about.


there are many board members with kids spanning almost every age group. therefore, according to your point, the entire club benefits.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course it will benefit the board members kids(at least they think that). That is all they care about.

there are many board members with kids spanning almost every age group. therefore, according to your point, the entire club benefits.


You are not making sense, but actually validating the quoted post. I will (supposedly) say it might benefit the board's kids. It will NOT benefit yours.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course it will benefit the board members kids(at least they think that). That is all they care about.


there are many board members with kids spanning almost every age group. therefore, according to your point, the entire club benefits.

See which teams get the better trainers and come back here and post that. Something tells me it will be the teams that have board member kids on them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/23/21 07:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course it will benefit the board members kids(at least they think that). That is all they care about.


there are many board members with kids spanning almost every age group. therefore, according to your point, the entire club benefits.

So you admit the board members kids are going to get the better coaches? Your not that bright are you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/24/21 05:10 PM
SURF will benefit from all this confusion
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/24/21 07:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LoveThisGame20
As a father of a player that played for him (Tim) I was under no belief that my child was the next great thing all my child wanted to do was to see what they could achieve in the sport. But after a few B.S. conversations (which you will hear) with him to secure my child's commitment to the team and a few good practices, you will notice the defects in the training and coaching starts to show.

To all the SB, run do not hire him, if you like seeing your highly paid trainer sitting in a chair or ground looking like a homeless person collecting cans on the side of the road and having some of his players from other teams run the practice than he is the man for you. Over half the practice will consist of running in the beginning and the end (which my child did on their own time) which does not cost me anything.

He is paid to train soccer not to be a conditioning trainer, and if a kid does not have the conditioning then they should not play (my child included). His teams will enter high level tournaments with alot of travel, which I love and can afford but to watch an 18 player team go to Nationals with 5 kids never coming off the bench is just sad. This is not a pro team is and the child isn’t getting a Scholarship (free education) so playing time should be a given, even 5 or 10 minutes a half.

Just so you are aware my child did play but to see the faces of the players that didn’t was just killing me and my child. So, if your child is in the top 11 or 13 they will see the field, but the rest of the roster are only a 2 legged ATM in his eyes.

My child now plays for a different team for the last year and half and is happy and just to remind the parents reading this HAPPY. Just so all the readers understand I am no snowflake and does not feel every child should get an award, awards and accolades should be earned.

My child does not see teammates being used as an ATM or being told they suck, oh yes you will be paying a person to tell them they suck. He will seem nice at first but no communication with parents, none.

It will be the worst thing you could ever do is hire him, you are better off walking up to your son and kick him in the B@lls since the same look on his face will be the same look he gives you when he sits the bench or 5 games without playing....

I feel this is the first sincere post about TG with personal feelings left to the side. Thank You.

It's insanely accurate.

We should ask Eddie the Newfield DOC what happened when LG and N merged. Eddie got pushed out by Tim. Eddie was the better trainer, in it for the right reasons.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/24/21 08:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LoveThisGame20
As a father of a player that played for him (Tim) I was under no belief that my child was the next great thing all my child wanted to do was to see what they could achieve in the sport. But after a few B.S. conversations (which you will hear) with him to secure my child's commitment to the team and a few good practices, you will notice the defects in the training and coaching starts to show.

To all the SB, run do not hire him, if you like seeing your highly paid trainer sitting in a chair or ground looking like a homeless person collecting cans on the side of the road and having some of his players from other teams run the practice than he is the man for you. Over half the practice will consist of running in the beginning and the end (which my child did on their own time) which does not cost me anything.

He is paid to train soccer not to be a conditioning trainer, and if a kid does not have the conditioning then they should not play (my child included). His teams will enter high level tournaments with alot of travel, which I love and can afford but to watch an 18 player team go to Nationals with 5 kids never coming off the bench is just sad. This is not a pro team is and the child isn’t getting a Scholarship (free education) so playing time should be a given, even 5 or 10 minutes a half.

Just so you are aware my child did play but to see the faces of the players that didn’t was just killing me and my child. So, if your child is in the top 11 or 13 they will see the field, but the rest of the roster are only a 2 legged ATM in his eyes.

My child now plays for a different team for the last year and half and is happy and just to remind the parents reading this HAPPY. Just so all the readers understand I am no snowflake and does not feel every child should get an award, awards and accolades should be earned.

My child does not see teammates being used as an ATM or being told they suck, oh yes you will be paying a person to tell them they suck. He will seem nice at first but no communication with parents, none.

It will be the worst thing you could ever do is hire him, you are better off walking up to your son and kick him in the B@lls since the same look on his face will be the same look he gives you when he sits the bench or 5 games without playing....

I feel this is the first sincere post about TG with personal feelings left to the side. Thank You.

It's insanely accurate.

We should ask Eddie the Newfield DOC what happened when LG and N merged. Eddie got pushed out by Tim. Eddie was the better trainer, in it for the right reasons.

Im confused by your post. Are you in favor or TG or not, you're not clear
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/25/21 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LoveThisGame20
As a father of a player that played for him (Tim) I was under no belief that my child was the next great thing all my child wanted to do was to see what they could achieve in the sport. But after a few B.S. conversations (which you will hear) with him to secure my child's commitment to the team and a few good practices, you will notice the defects in the training and coaching starts to show.

To all the SB, run do not hire him, if you like seeing your highly paid trainer sitting in a chair or ground looking like a homeless person collecting cans on the side of the road and having some of his players from other teams run the practice than he is the man for you. Over half the practice will consist of running in the beginning and the end (which my child did on their own time) which does not cost me anything.

He is paid to train soccer not to be a conditioning trainer, and if a kid does not have the conditioning then they should not play (my child included). His teams will enter high level tournaments with alot of travel, which I love and can afford but to watch an 18 player team go to Nationals with 5 kids never coming off the bench is just sad. This is not a pro team is and the child isn’t getting a Scholarship (free education) so playing time should be a given, even 5 or 10 minutes a half.

Just so you are aware my child did play but to see the faces of the players that didn’t was just killing me and my child. So, if your child is in the top 11 or 13 they will see the field, but the rest of the roster are only a 2 legged ATM in his eyes.

My child now plays for a different team for the last year and half and is happy and just to remind the parents reading this HAPPY. Just so all the readers understand I am no snowflake and does not feel every child should get an award, awards and accolades should be earned.

My child does not see teammates being used as an ATM or being told they suck, oh yes you will be paying a person to tell them they suck. He will seem nice at first but no communication with parents, none.

It will be the worst thing you could ever do is hire him, you are better off walking up to your son and kick him in the B@lls since the same look on his face will be the same look he gives you when he sits the bench or 5 games without playing....

I feel this is the first sincere post about TG with personal feelings left to the side. Thank You.

It's insanely accurate.

We should ask Eddie the Newfield DOC what happened when LG and N merged. Eddie got pushed out by Tim. Eddie was the better trainer, in it for the right reasons.

Im confused by your post. Are you in favor or TG or not, you're not clear

NOT!

Eddie was a really good trainer and is a good guy. My oldest was in LGN at the time of the merger and Eddie was in charge of my kid's trainer as they were the legacy group for that team. They were good. Eddie cared, wanted the best for the kids.

He was pushed out by the end of year 1 because of Tim's promises of grandeur and glory. The parents so desperate to chase the dream of a scholly wanted Tim's used car salesman schtick. The rest is history. Within 10 years he couldn't keep it all together. Now desperate to get his hooks into SB.

Glad with my youngest, we're no longer a part of this mess. No program/org is perfect, they all have warts. But there's something to be said about consistency and stability.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/25/21 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course it will benefit the board members kids(at least they think that). That is all they care about.


You are 100% correct. These board members are only considered with their own kids Tried hard to bully KK and his admins too. BUT hear this, even the great, highly exulted Tim Graham (ask him, he'll tell ya) can't put a right foot on players with two left feet, got that Linda and Rob Ward? When are you guys ever going to learn that you owe your members, they don't owe you!!!!

The whole board is at fault for letting the Wards run everything.

They are destroying the club, then you have the other board members who just make their private deals to keep their kids on the teams they want. Their all crooked.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/25/21 03:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course it will benefit the board members kids(at least they think that). That is all they care about.


You are 100% correct. These board members are only considered with their own kids Tried hard to bully KK and his admins too. BUT hear this, even the great, highly exulted Tim Graham (ask him, he'll tell ya) can't put a right foot on players with two left feet, got that Linda and Rob Ward? When are you guys ever going to learn that you owe your members, they don't owe you!!!!

The whole board is at fault for letting the Wards run everything.

They are destroying the club, then you have the other board members who just make their private deals to keep their kids on the teams they want. Their all crooked.

They just reflect what's going on in our society. Everyone is just out for themselves. There is no more sense of community.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/25/21 04:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LoveThisGame20
As a father of a player that played for him (Tim) I was under no belief that my child was the next great thing all my child wanted to do was to see what they could achieve in the sport. But after a few B.S. conversations (which you will hear) with him to secure my child's commitment to the team and a few good practices, you will notice the defects in the training and coaching starts to show.

To all the SB, run do not hire him, if you like seeing your highly paid trainer sitting in a chair or ground looking like a homeless person collecting cans on the side of the road and having some of his players from other teams run the practice than he is the man for you. Over half the practice will consist of running in the beginning and the end (which my child did on their own time) which does not cost me anything.

He is paid to train soccer not to be a conditioning trainer, and if a kid does not have the conditioning then they should not play (my child included). His teams will enter high level tournaments with alot of travel, which I love and can afford but to watch an 18 player team go to Nationals with 5 kids never coming off the bench is just sad. This is not a pro team is and the child isn’t getting a Scholarship (free education) so playing time should be a given, even 5 or 10 minutes a half.

Just so you are aware my child did play but to see the faces of the players that didn’t was just killing me and my child. So, if your child is in the top 11 or 13 they will see the field, but the rest of the roster are only a 2 legged ATM in his eyes.

My child now plays for a different team for the last year and half and is happy and just to remind the parents reading this HAPPY. Just so all the readers understand I am no snowflake and does not feel every child should get an award, awards and accolades should be earned.

My child does not see teammates being used as an ATM or being told they suck, oh yes you will be paying a person to tell them they suck. He will seem nice at first but no communication with parents, none.

It will be the worst thing you could ever do is hire him, you are better off walking up to your son and kick him in the B@lls since the same look on his face will be the same look he gives you when he sits the bench or 5 games without playing....

I feel this is the first sincere post about TG with personal feelings left to the side. Thank You.

It's insanely accurate.

We should ask Eddie the Newfield DOC what happened when LG and N merged. Eddie got pushed out by Tim. Eddie was the better trainer, in it for the right reasons.

Im confused by your post. Are you in favor or TG or not, you're not clear

NOT!

Eddie was a really good trainer and is a good guy. My oldest was in LGN at the time of the merger and Eddie was in charge of my kid's trainer as they were the legacy group for that team. They were good. Eddie cared, wanted the best for the kids.

He was pushed out by the end of year 1 because of Tim's promises of grandeur and glory. The parents so desperate to chase the dream of a scholly wanted Tim's used car salesman schtick. The rest is history. Within 10 years he couldn't keep it all together. Now desperate to get his hooks into SB.

Glad with my youngest, we're no longer a part of this mess. No program/org is perfect, they all have warts. But there's something to be said about consistency and stability.

Eddie is a good trainer but he is no angel. He was part of the SUSA crew that was attempting to bribe club presidents, trainers and coaches to bring their teams over to SUSA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/25/21 08:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eddie is a good trainer but he is no angel. He was part of the SUSA crew that was attempting to bribe club presidents, trainers and coaches to bring their teams over to SUSA.

Did not know about that. Haven't seen him in about 7 years.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/25/21 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eddie is a good trainer but he is no angel. He was part of the SUSA crew that was attempting to bribe club presidents, trainers and coaches to bring their teams over to SUSA.

Did not know about that. Haven't seen him in about 7 years.

Bribe? Bribe them how?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/25/21 10:30 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eddie is a good trainer but he is no angel. He was part of the SUSA crew that was attempting to bribe club presidents, trainers and coaches to bring their teams over to SUSA.

Did not know about that. Haven't seen him in about 7 years.

Bribe? Bribe them how?

Money in the form of a personal services/coaching contract. Ask Mousa about the $50k each that Eddie offered the club presidents of Connetquot, Ronkonkoma, and Bohemia to have their teams play under the SUSA banner like the Dix Hills and Commack teams did a few years ago.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/25/21 10:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eddie is a good trainer but he is no angel. He was part of the SUSA crew that was attempting to bribe club presidents, trainers and coaches to bring their teams over to SUSA.

Did not know about that. Haven't seen him in about 7 years.

Bribe? Bribe them how?

Money in the form of a personal services/coaching contract. Ask Mousa about the $50k each that Eddie offered the club presidents of Connetquot, Ronkonkoma, and Bohemia to have their teams play under the SUSA banner like the Dix Hills and Commack teams did a few years ago.

Where do you get this crap from? That isn't true. Those 3 clubs together would not be worth $50,000 no less $150 for all three. You're obviously having a problem getting SUSA out of your head. Take two of the green pills and call me in the morning smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/25/21 11:18 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Eddie is a good trainer but he is no angel. He was part of the SUSA crew that was attempting to bribe club presidents, trainers and coaches to bring their teams over to SUSA.

Did not know about that. Haven't seen him in about 7 years.

Bribe? Bribe them how?

Money in the form of a personal services/coaching contract. Ask Mousa about the $50k each that Eddie offered the club presidents of Connetquot, Ronkonkoma, and Bohemia to have their teams play under the SUSA banner like the Dix Hills and Commack teams did a few years ago.

Where do you get this crap from? That isn't true. Those 3 clubs together would not be worth $50,000 no less $150 for all three. You're obviously having a problem getting SUSA out of your head. Take two of the green pills and call me in the morning smile

He was buying the players, not the clubs. 10 teams with 15 players each at $3000 SUSA tuition is $450,000 per club. Even if a third of the players quit rather than making the move the bribe would more than pay for itself in the first year.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/25/21 11:36 PM
Money in the form of a personal services/coaching contract. Ask Mousa about the $50k each that Eddie offered the club presidents of Connetquot, Ronkonkoma, and Bohemia to have their teams play under the SUSA banner like the Dix Hills and Commack teams did a few years ago.[/quote]

Where do you get this crap from? That isn't true. Those 3 clubs together would not be worth $50,000 no less $150 for all three. You're obviously having a problem getting SUSA out of your head. Take two of the green pills and call me in the morning smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/27/21 08:55 PM
If the clubs are merging where is the announcement? Where are the SB board members. Everyone is gone and all you se is the talking here. How come the community doesn’t know? The community that has lost all faith in the club and the university for doing what they’ve done.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/27/21 09:22 PM
My question is if the clubs are merging what role does the LGN board play? Does the LGN club just fold? Does Stony Brook SC get all tye registration money? Is Tim Graham selling out LGN so he can pocket the profits from training more kids? Something(s) isn't kosher here.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/27/21 09:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the clubs are merging where is the announcement? Where are the SB board members. Everyone is gone and all you se is the talking here. How come the community doesn’t know? The community that has lost all faith in the club and the university for doing what they’ve done.


The club really has nothing to do with the University, that is incorrect thinking. This is all the decision of the board, nobody else. As long as the club pays the University for the fields the University doesn't care. Either its not official, or the timing to announce is not right, or it's NOT a done deal (though I have heard it is a done deal, independently of this blog, so I think the second). It is the worst kept secret in youth soccer right now....
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/27/21 10:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the clubs are merging where is the announcement? Where are the SB board members. Everyone is gone and all you se is the talking here. How come the community doesn’t know? The community that has lost all faith in the club and the university for doing what they’ve done.


The club really has nothing to do with the University, that is incorrect thinking. This is all the decision of the board, nobody else. As long as the club pays the University for the fields the University doesn't care. Either its not official, or the timing to announce is not right, or it's NOT a done deal (though I have heard it is a done deal, independently of this blog, so I think the second). It is the worst kept secret in youth soccer right now....

It is not done. The deal is not done. If the deal is done no one told Kurt Kelley or Mark Nash....as far as the university goes you incorrect thinking that all they care about is the money for the fields. They care about their name and who has acces for the fields. Stony Brook SC can NOT sublet those fields or allow another club to use those fields. Even Atletico has to wear Stony brook on their uniforms and in their name.

So again I ask, what is in this for LGN? We all know what's in it for Tim Graham.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/28/21 02:39 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the clubs are merging where is the announcement? Where are the SB board members. Everyone is gone and all you se is the talking here. How come the community doesn’t know? The community that has lost all faith in the club and the university for doing what they’ve done.


The club really has nothing to do with the University, that is incorrect thinking. This is all the decision of the board, nobody else. As long as the club pays the University for the fields the University doesn't care. Either its not official, or the timing to announce is not right, or it's NOT a done deal (though I have heard it is a done deal, independently of this blog, so I think the second). It is the worst kept secret in youth soccer right now....

It is not done. The deal is not done. If the deal is done no one told Kurt Kelley or Mark Nash....as far as the university goes you incorrect thinking that all they care about is the money for the fields. They care about their name and who has acces for the fields. Stony Brook SC can NOT sublet those fields or allow another club to use those fields. Even Atletico has to wear Stony brook on their uniforms and in their name.

So again I ask, what is in this for LGN? We all know what's in it for Tim Graham.

None of this is about the clubs interest. It's all about what the SB board thinks is best for their own kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/29/21 11:58 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the clubs are merging where is the announcement? Where are the SB board members. Everyone is gone and all you se is the talking here. How come the community doesn’t know? The community that has lost all faith in the club and the university for doing what they’ve done.


The club really has nothing to do with the University, that is incorrect thinking. This is all the decision of the board, nobody else. As long as the club pays the University for the fields the University doesn't care. Either its not official, or the timing to announce is not right, or it's NOT a done deal (though I have heard it is a done deal, independently of this blog, so I think the second). It is the worst kept secret in youth soccer right now....

It is not done. The deal is not done. If the deal is done no one told Kurt Kelley or Mark Nash....as far as the university goes you incorrect thinking that all they care about is the money for the fields. They care about their name and who has acces for the fields. Stony Brook SC can NOT sublet those fields or allow another club to use those fields. Even Atletico has to wear Stony brook on their uniforms and in their name.

So again I ask, what is in this for LGN? We all know what's in it for Tim Graham.

None of this is about the clubs interest. It's all about what the SB board thinks is best for their own kids.

Wrong moron
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/29/21 06:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the clubs are merging where is the announcement? Where are the SB board members. Everyone is gone and all you se is the talking here. How come the community doesn’t know? The community that has lost all faith in the club and the university for doing what they’ve done.


The club really has nothing to do with the University, that is incorrect thinking. This is all the decision of the board, nobody else. As long as the club pays the University for the fields the University doesn't care. Either its not official, or the timing to announce is not right, or it's NOT a done deal (though I have heard it is a done deal, independently of this blog, so I think the second). It is the worst kept secret in youth soccer right now....

It is not done. The deal is not done. If the deal is done no one told Kurt Kelley or Mark Nash....as far as the university goes you incorrect thinking that all they care about is the money for the fields. They care about their name and who has acces for the fields. Stony Brook SC can NOT sublet those fields or allow another club to use those fields. Even Atletico has to wear Stony brook on their uniforms and in their name.

So again I ask, what is in this for LGN? We all know what's in it for Tim Graham.

None of this is about the clubs interest. It's all about what the SB board thinks is best for their own kids.

Wrong moron

Hey mr jackass board member maybe you should talk to your membership. You know other then your kids team. The fact that you don't won't to acknowledge the schism in the club is pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/29/21 08:12 PM
The club really has nothing to do with the University, that is incorrect thinking. This is all the decision of the board, nobody else. As long as the club pays the University for the fields the University doesn't care. Either its not official, or the timing to announce is not right, or it's NOT a done deal (though I have heard it is a done deal, independently of this blog, so I think the second). It is the worst kept secret in youth soccer right now....[/quote]

It is not done. The deal is not done. If the deal is done no one told Kurt Kelley or Mark Nash....as far as the university goes you incorrect thinking that all they care about is the money for the fields. They care about their name and who has acces for the fields. Stony Brook SC can NOT sublet those fields or allow another club to use those fields. Even Atletico has to wear Stony brook on their uniforms and in their name.

So again I ask, what is in this for LGN? We all know what's in it for Tim Graham.[/quote]

None of this is about the clubs interest. It's all about what the SB board thinks is best for their own kids.[/quote]

Wrong moron[/quote]

Hey mr jackass board member maybe you should talk to your membership. You know other then your kids team. The fact that you don't won't to acknowledge the schism in the club is pathetic.[/quote]

hey mr anonymous spineless coward, why dont you come forward and volunteer your time to help out. the fact that you come to a forum and post anonymous complaints shows how pathetic you are. * im a team admin NOT a board member
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/29/21 09:28 PM
Hey mr jackass board member maybe you should talk to your membership. You know other then your kids team. The fact that you don't won't to acknowledge the schism in the club is pathetic.[/quote]

hey mr anonymous spineless coward, why dont you come forward and volunteer your time to help out. the fact that you come to a forum and post anonymous complaints shows how pathetic you are. * im a team admin NOT a board member[/quote]

I was team administrator but realized I didn't want to be complicit in how the board could care less about many of the teams in the club. That's how I know your either a board member or team admin for a team that has board members kids on it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/30/21 12:38 AM
I just love everyone calling each other out, anonymously!! Gives me a great laugh every time!! 😂🤣😂
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/30/21 02:01 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just love everyone calling each other out, anonymously!! Gives me a great laugh every time!! 😂🤣😂

Usually the one losing the argument is the one calling out the other for posting anonymously.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/30/21 07:09 AM
Sorry but I’m not part of this argument! And I’m not really sure how you can win/lose an argument being anonymous!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/30/21 11:23 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry but I’m not part of this argument! And I’m not really sure how you can win/lose an argument being anonymous!

As you proceed to argue smh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/30/21 12:49 PM
I think you need to look up the definition of argue!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/30/21 10:58 PM
Nothings said to the clientele of the club. Who knows what’s really going on. It’s hearsay for the most part. Where is the announcement? Where’s the so called board. I would really love to know the truth about what’s happening as it doesn’t sound good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/30/21 11:49 PM
Have you ever tried reaching out to a board member or do you think posting anonymously will get you answers?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/31/21 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you ever tried reaching out to a board member or do you think posting anonymously will get you answers?

That would be to easy. Email the Pres Go to Board Meetings Volunteer Nothing will get done if you don't ask questions
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/31/21 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you ever tried reaching out to a board member or do you think posting anonymously will get you answers?

That would be to easy. Email the Pres Go to Board Meetings Volunteer Nothing will get done if you don't ask questions

I just did. I have emailed the president and Vice President to offer their side of the story. I couldnt help but notice that the president and VP both have the same last name....I asked them to get back to me by the close of business this Thursday, April 1.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 03/31/21 08:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you ever tried reaching out to a board member or do you think posting anonymously will get you answers?

That would be to easy. Email the Pres Go to Board Meetings Volunteer Nothing will get done if you don't ask questions

For the last time I was told about this FROM board members. Why do Inhave to go to a meeting? I was told a lot more then just the merge taking place but don't think it is fair to parties involved to post it on here before an announcement is made. Believe what you want. I don't care as time will tell. I will not post about this poorly managed merge(MY Opinion) again. For now let's just enjoy our kids are back to playing games.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 04:36 PM
UPDATE:

As of this writing there is NO deal.

Here are some FACTS in no particular order:

1- This is a Tim Graham created deal.
2- The LGN club/board is NOT involved.
3- Tim Graham says he can bring over 300-400 kids from LGN. This will be a Kozy-Dix Hills perch of players.
4- The VP, Jerry Ward's kid plays for LGN and guess who is the trainer?
5- Brothers Jerry & Robert Ward and some other board members are insisting this happen, but there are board members who do not want this to happen
6- The Stony Brook board has done no vetting of any financials, or have and are not considering Tim Graham's background or baggage
7- Some board members are concerned about bleeding their better players, and there is no guarantee that the LGN players that will come over will stay
8- And there is the University that will not be happy with the bad press even though the SB board has someone 2nd in command at the SBU athletic dept.

Again, there is no deal. BOTN will be reaching out to the hierarchy of SBU to get their take on how they are viewing the bastardization of their brand and facilities by the Brothers Ward.

KK Atletico is purposely being left out of all talks. Academies are already approaching Kurt knowing the SB relationship has hit the bottom.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 05:03 PM
How is the VP (Jerry Ward) of SB on the board if his kid plays for LGN? Answer: He is in this knee-deep with Tim Graham. Why the hell are the Ward brothers in control of anything? They are shady, sneaky, and care ONLY about themselves. Then on to Linda Ward, who is the biggest bitch on Long Island. Thinks she is the boss of everyone and probably is of the Ward Brothers. Time for all 3 morons to go. Let them go start their own club with TG. How dare they force their b.s. on the SB Club.

So, Tim Graham sees moving to SB, doubling his salary AND he will implode the LGN Club in the process. Nice way to treat the club that supported you all these years.

A real nice bunch of losers dragging down everyone around them!

Way to go, guys, way to go!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is the VP (Jerry Ward) of SB on the board if his kid plays for LGN? Answer: He is in this knee-deep with Tim Graham. Why the hell are the Ward brothers in control of anything? They are shady, sneaky, and care ONLY about themselves. Then on to Linda Ward, who is the biggest bitch on Long Island. Thinks she is the boss of everyone and probably is of the Ward Brothers. Time for all 3 morons to go. Let them go start their own club with TG. How dare they force their b.s. on the SB Club.

So, Tim Graham sees moving to SB, doubling his salary AND he will implode the LGN Club in the process. Nice way to treat the club that supported you all these years.

A real nice bunch of losers dragging down everyone around them!

Way to go, guys, way to go!

Get em Larry !!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 05:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How is the VP (Jerry Ward) of SB on the board if his kid plays for LGN? Answer: He is in this knee-deep with Tim Graham. Why the hell are the Ward brothers in control of anything? They are shady, sneaky, and care ONLY about themselves. Then on to Linda Ward, who is the biggest bitch on Long Island. Thinks she is the boss of everyone and probably is of the Ward Brothers. Time for all 3 morons to go. Let them go start their own club with TG. How dare they force their b.s. on the SB Club.

So, Tim Graham sees moving to SB, doubling his salary AND he will implode the LGN Club in the process. Nice way to treat the club that supported you all these years.

A real nice bunch of losers dragging down everyone around them!

Way to go, guys, way to go!

Jerry Ward is the President his brother Rob is the VP.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 05:35 PM
Larry, any idea who KK is talking to? Please tell us its not SUSA
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry, any idea who KK is talking to? Please tell us its not SUSA

It's not SUSA..and it's who is talking and approaching KK and not the other way around.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry, any idea who KK is talking to? Please tell us its not SUSA

The size of the LI soccer pool is not increasing. Only way to gain players is to acquire ie the SUSA model. SUSA has the deepest pockets, lets see who makes a run at KK
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 06:17 PM
Best thing that could happen here would be SB decline this offer and Timmy Boy get thrown out of Lake Grove for being a dick!
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 06:41 PM
IMO, any parent thinking of moving their child to LGN needs to pause and understand what a mess they could be getting into. I would offer my opinion to all parents currently having children play in LGN to be considering a change ASAP to another club that can offer stability.

This is going to be a bigger mess than what Kozy did to Dix Hills.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 07:07 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
IMO, any parent thinking of moving their child to LGN needs to pause and understand what a mess they could be getting into. I would offer my opinion to all parents currently having children play in LGN to be considering a change ASAP to another club that can offer stability.

This is going to be a bigger mess than what Kozy did to Dix Hills.

Saw Kozy the other day. He doesn't seem to mind his new life at susa. Running 1 teams and driving around a nice shiny new jeep
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry, any idea who KK is talking to? Please tell us its not SUSA

It's not SUSA..and it's who is talking and approaching KK and not the other way around.


My guess it's Surf.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 07:22 PM
IS KK worth acquiring? Maybe Slammers tries to get him to make a splash
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
IS KK worth acquiring? Maybe Slammers tries to get him to make a splash

My opinion is Atletico is not up for "acquiring", but could be up for partnering".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
IMO, any parent thinking of moving their child to LGN needs to pause and understand what a mess they could be getting into. I would offer my opinion to all parents currently having children play in LGN to be considering a change ASAP to another club that can offer stability.

This is going to be a bigger mess than what Kozy did to Dix Hills.


Who is the LGN President at this point? And is that person on board with this?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 08:02 PM
What a shame considering the now President of LGN has worked tirelessly to turn that disaster of a club around. It is the best it’s been in years!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 08:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
IMO, any parent thinking of moving their child to LGN needs to pause and understand what a mess they could be getting into. I would offer my opinion to all parents currently having children play in LGN to be considering a change ASAP to another club that can offer stability.

This is going to be a bigger mess than what Kozy did to Dix Hills.

Saw Kozy the other day. He doesn't seem to mind his new life at susa. Running 1 teams and driving around a nice shiny new jeep

Did you ask for his autograph on your boob when you saw him? Let’s see if the li community gets together to ruin Tim the way tried to with Kozy
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 08:27 PM
My hunch is the LGN club is not in the loop. If they are then what is it foir them? The way it was told to me from more than one source is it is Tim Graham bringing 300+ kids to SB. SB get the registration and Tim Graham more than doubles his income between the kids he brings, assuming they stay, and the Stony Brook kids.

I also have to say that the many posts about this being done for the few board members seems to be 100% accurate.

The Ward-os, Rob and Jerry along with one of their wives, Linda are selfishly trying to make this happen since Jerry Ward-os kid is trained by Tim Graham and plays for LGN.

The WARD-OS...a new soccer dynasty smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
My hunch is the LGN club is not in the loop. If they are then what is it foir them? The way it was told to me from more than one source is it is Tim Graham bringing 300+ kids to SB. SB get the registration and Tim Graham more than doubles his income between the kids he brings, assuming they stay, and the Stony Brook kids.

I also have to say that the many posts about this being done for the few board members seems to be 100% accurate.

The Ward-os, Rob and Jerry along with one of their wives, Linda are selfishly trying to make this happen since Jerry Ward-os kid is trained by Tim Graham and plays for LGN.

The WARD-OS...a new soccer dynasty smile

Ron Ward's kid plays for TG.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 10:22 PM
It’s Rob awards kid that plays for Graham. His other kid plays for SB. Guess they ignored your request?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/01/21 10:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s Rob awards kid that plays for Graham. His other kid plays for SB. Guess they ignored your request?

Jerry or Rob, all the same to me. Yes, they ignored me which is what I expected. I am very resourceful and the info I published I had before I gave them the opportunity to deny or amend. They need to understand I have no dog in this fight. I am on the side of the parents whose kids are about to get [****] over if this moves forward, and also to the LGN club which could go bust.

here is a question to ponder....will LIJSL, & ENYYSA step in and stop this by sanctioning or removing the SB Club from their leagues thereby rendering Stony Brook impotent? LIJSL & ENYYSA needed to protect the Dix Hills clubs and they didn't. Will they save LGN from what appears to be another club on the brink of ruin? Inquiring minds would like to know.

More to come.......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 01:05 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s Rob awards kid that plays for Graham. His other kid plays for SB. Guess they ignored your request?

Jerry or Rob, all the same to me. Yes, they ignored me which is what I expected. I am very resourceful and the info I published I had before I gave them the opportunity to deny or amend. They need to understand I have no dog in this fight. I am on the side of the parents whose kids are about to get [****] over if this moves forward, and also to the LGN club which could go bust.

here is a question to ponder....will LIJSL, & ENYYSA step in and stop this by sanctioning or removing the SB Club from their leagues thereby rendering Stony Brook impotent? LIJSL & ENYYSA needed to protect the Dix Hills clubs and they didn't. Will they save LGN from what appears to be another club on the brink of ruin? Inquiring minds would like to know.

More to come.......

The Wards are underestimating how bad things will get for them in this town if SB kids get screwed in this deal.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 01:34 PM
LM and CJ are underestimating how bad things will get for them. No if. We are coming for you. You pissed off the wrong people.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 01:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LM and CJ are underestimating how bad things will get for them. No if. We are coming for you. You pissed off the wrong people.

Thank you confirming I have pissed you off. You just made my day by acknowledging the power of BOTN, and CJ and myself specifically.

I'm sure CJ will also have something to say. It is scared and pissed off soccer schmucks like you making anonymous veiled threats using a VPN that get me hard. Have a good day, Punky.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 03:03 PM
Wait, so SBSC board members, including the president or vice president of the club, have kids who play on other clubs?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LM and CJ are underestimating how bad things will get for them. No if. We are coming for you. You pissed off the wrong people.

Thank you confirming I have pissed you off. You just made my day by acknowledging the power of BOTN, and CJ and myself specifically.

I'm sure CJ will also have something to say. It is scared and pissed off soccer schmucks like you making anonymous veiled threats using a VPN that get me hard. Have a good day, Punky.

They really thought that was the way to respond? Not a good look.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, so SBSC board members, including the president or vice president of the club, have kids who play on other clubs?

That seems to be the case.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 03:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Larry Miller][quote=Anonymous]LM and CJ are underestimating how bad things will get for them. No if. We are coming for you. You pissed off the wrong people.

Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Thank you confirming I have pissed you off. You just made my day by acknowledging the power of BOTN, and CJ and myself specifically.

I'm sure CJ will also have something to say. It is scared and pissed off soccer schmucks like you making anonymous veiled threats using a VPN that get me hard. Have a good day, Punky.

They really thought that was the way to respond? Not a good look.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 03:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, so SBSC board members, including the president or vice president of the club, have kids who play on other clubs?

A club they want to acquire. Yeah, no conflict of interest at all!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 03:47 PM
[Linked Image]

Me reading this knowing I got my kid out of this mess over the summer knowing the program was going to crap its pants because it developed a bad culture and vision.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 04:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, so SBSC board members, including the president or vice president of the club, have kids who play on other clubs?

How can a board member be allowed to vote on this deal if his kid plays at LGN? Where do his loyalties lie?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, so SBSC board members, including the president or vice president of the club, have kids who play on other clubs?

How can a board member be allowed to vote on this deal if his kid plays at LGN? Where do his loyalties lie?

My understanding is that the majority of the board is all in on this and while not confirmed there may be others on the board that have their kids playing in both clubs as one of the WARD-O brothers have.

These guys are the 180 degrees away from the Mitch Pally president days.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 07:20 PM
No wonder Nash is getting all this grief, he has to deal with a board who only wants Tim. Nash should be looking to get out of SB as fast as they want to merge with LGN
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LM and CJ are underestimating how bad things will get for them. No if. We are coming for you. You pissed off the wrong people.

Bring it, you turkey!!!! I'm so scared of you! lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 07:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NY Hota is looking for top talent. They have their own field and fees are a fraction of other academy’s and clubs

NY Hota still exists?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
No wonder Nash is getting all this grief, he has to deal with a board who only wants Tim. Nash should be looking to get out of SB as fast as they want to merge with LGN

Actually Nash should stay and anyone voting for this merger should be voted out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 09:13 PM
Great response, CJ. That sounds real tough.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, so SBSC board members, including the president or vice president of the club, have kids who play on other clubs?

How can a board member be allowed to vote on this deal if his kid plays at LGN? Where do his loyalties lie?

My understanding is that the majority of the board is all in on this and while not confirmed there may be others on the board that have their kids playing in both clubs as one of the WARD-O brothers have.

These guys are the 180 degrees away from the Mitch Pally president days.

BRING BACK MITCH! 3rd times the charm.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 10:09 PM
There’s a board member who took his girls out and brought them to EM. He’s still there voting on stuff. How is that possible?!?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/02/21 11:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There’s a board member who took his girls out and brought them to EM. He’s still there voting on stuff. How is that possible?!?

How many board members have kids playing at other clubs???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/03/21 02:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, so SBSC board members, including the president or vice president of the club, have kids who play on other clubs?

How can a board member be allowed to vote on this deal if his kid plays at LGN? Where do his loyalties lie?

My understanding is that the majority of the board is all in on this and while not confirmed there may be others on the board that have their kids playing in both clubs as one of the WARD-O brothers have.

These guys are the 180 degrees away from the Mitch Pally president days.

BRING BACK MITCH! 3rd times the charm.

Under Mitch board members kids played outside the club and they tried several mergers. Doesn’t help your case
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/03/21 03:51 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, so SBSC board members, including the president or vice president of the club, have kids who play on other clubs?

How can a board member be allowed to vote on this deal if his kid plays at LGN? Where do his loyalties lie?

My understanding is that the majority of the board is all in on this and while not confirmed there may be others on the board that have their kids playing in both clubs as one of the WARD-O brothers have.

These guys are the 180 degrees away from the Mitch Pally president days.

BRING BACK MITCH! 3rd times the charm.

Under Mitch board members kids played outside the club and they tried several mergers. Doesn’t help your case

Name one merger with another club that was ever considered. Name one board member whose kid played for another club that SB was considering a merger with.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/03/21 03:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There’s a board member who took his girls out and brought them to EM. He’s still there voting on stuff. How is that possible?!?

How many board members have kids playing at other clubs???
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There’s a board member who took his girls out and brought them to EM. He’s still there voting on stuff. How is that possible?!?

There’s board members with kids playing for Surf and double dipping. ALL CORUPT.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/03/21 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great response, CJ. That sounds real tough.

Really? Someone threatens me and that's what you see in this? w0w. Real nice.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/03/21 12:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wait, so SBSC board members, including the president or vice president of the club, have kids who play on other clubs?

How can a board member be allowed to vote on this deal if his kid plays at LGN? Where do his loyalties lie?

My understanding is that the majority of the board is all in on this and while not confirmed there may be others on the board that have their kids playing in both clubs as one of the WARD-O brothers have.

These guys are the 180 degrees away from the Mitch Pally president days.

BRING BACK MITCH! 3rd times the charm.

Under Mitch board members kids played outside the club and they tried several mergers. Doesn’t help your case

Mitch Pally was a real gentleman and had the kid's best interest at heart! He was a man of his word and an all-around easy man to talk to.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/03/21 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great response, CJ. That sounds real tough.

Really? Someone threatens me and that's what you see in this? w0w. Real nice.

Threatening a person on the internet is a CRIME Maybe BOTN should get that IP address and give it to the Police. Which Im sure they did or are about to. Internet Tough Guy POS
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/03/21 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great response, CJ. That sounds real tough.

Really? Someone threatens me and that's what you see in this? w0w. Real nice.

Threatening a person on the internet is a CRIME Maybe BOTN should get that IP address and give it to the Police. Which Im sure they did or are about to. Internet Tough Guy POS

The guy thinks he covered his tracks...he didn’t😊
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/03/21 02:30 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great response, CJ. That sounds real tough.

Really? Someone threatens me and that's what you see in this? w0w. Real nice.

Threatening a person on the internet is a CRIME Maybe BOTN should get that IP address and give it to the Police. Which Im sure they did or are about to. Internet Tough Guy POS

The guy thinks he covered his tracks...he didn’t😊

Unfortunately when some people can't argue with reason and logic they resort to this kind of behavior. Sad commentary on how crazed the parents in youth sports have become.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/04/21 01:34 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great response, CJ. That sounds real tough.

Really? Someone threatens me and that's what you see in this? w0w. Real nice.

Threatening a person on the internet is a CRIME Maybe BOTN should get that IP address and give it to the Police. Which Im sure they did or are about to. Internet Tough Guy POS

Not much of a threat...he might as well have said Nyeh-nyeh-na-nyeh nyeh...I'll get you at recess..
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/04/21 02:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great response, CJ. That sounds real tough.

Really? Someone threatens me and that's what you see in this? w0w. Real nice.

Threatening a person on the internet is a CRIME Maybe BOTN should get that IP address and give it to the Police. Which Im sure they did or are about to. Internet Tough Guy POS

Not much of a threat...he might as well have said Nyeh-nyeh-na-nyeh nyeh...I'll get you at recess..

Doesn't have to be Not Much of a Threat
Issuing a Threat even over Social Media, Text,Email is a FEDERAL CRIME Those who post or send these threats can be arrested a go to FEDERAL JAIL for up to 5 Yrs

Have a Nice Day

Happy Easter
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/04/21 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great response, CJ. That sounds real tough.

Really? Someone threatens me and that's what you see in this? w0w. Real nice.

Threatening a person on the internet is a CRIME Maybe BOTN should get that IP address and give it to the Police. Which Im sure they did or are about to. Internet Tough Guy POS

Not much of a threat...he might as well have said Nyeh-nyeh-na-nyeh nyeh...I'll get you at recess..

You would think differently if it was your wife or daughter.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/04/21 10:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by CJ Orlando
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great response, CJ. That sounds real tough.

Really? Someone threatens me and that's what you see in this? w0w. Real nice.

Threatening a person on the internet is a CRIME Maybe BOTN should get that IP address and give it to the Police. Which Im sure they did or are about to. Internet Tough Guy POS

Not much of a threat...he might as well have said Nyeh-nyeh-na-nyeh nyeh...I'll get you at recess..

Not much of a threat? Read it again. How would you like someone to say it to you or one of yours? Really? Not much more than a schoolyard bully? Ok, I wonder where you grew up? Jurassic Park?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 12:50 PM
how likely is it that the sb- kk merger will fall apart? rumours are circulating that kk is in talks with slammers and surf? any truth to this? also any truth that some older kk boy age groups are looking to leave at the end of season? tryout season starting soon, i am guessing youll see lots of kk kids trying out at different clubs due to the uncertainty. It would be nice if the club would address this now vs finding out through the botn or finding out at the end of the season which by then i am sure most will have made up their minds.
Posted By: CJ Orlando Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
how likely is it that the sb- kk merger will fall apart? rumours are circulating that kk is in talks with slammers and surf? any truth to this? also any truth that some older kk boy age groups are looking to leave at the end of season? tryout season starting soon, i am guessing youll see lots of kk kids trying out at different clubs due to the uncertainty. It would be nice if the club would address this now vs finding out through the botn or finding out at the end of the season which by then i am sure most will have made up their minds.

Everything you say here is just rumored speculation.

As for the older boys, there are no plans for them to move elsewhere. They are doing just fine!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 05:03 PM
so far every merger or partnership that kk has attempted has failed. what does that tell you?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so far every merger or partnership that kk has attempted has failed. what does that tell you?

In this case it tells me that their partner, Stony Brook SC, and their new [****] buddy, Tim Graham is sticking it up KK's ass. So, with that comment it would certainly behove KK to look for a new girlfriend, n'est pas?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so far every merger or partnership that kk has attempted has failed. what does that tell you?

In this case it tells me that their partner, Stony Brook SC, and their new [****] buddy, Tim Graham is sticking it up KK's ass. So, with that comment it would certainly behove KK to look for a new girlfriend, n'est pas?

Just do the inevitable and call Susa. Call is Susa athletico

I’m not a fan of Susa sub par results on the field but maybe with enough mergers that’ll improve
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 06:52 PM
KK and Sue can't work as Kurt won't give over everything to them. Slammers is best bet for Kurt, they will let him do what he wants and they get good teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so far every merger or partnership that kk has attempted has failed. what does that tell you?

In this case it tells me that their partner, Stony Brook SC, and their new [****] buddy, Tim Graham is sticking it up KK's ass. So, with that comment it would certainly behove KK to look for a new girlfriend, n'est pas?

Just do the inevitable and call Susa. Call is Susa athletico

I’m not a fan of Susa sub par results on the field but maybe with enough mergers that’ll improve

You think SUSA needs KK ? KK has not outdoor space and their indoor spaces haven't been maintained in years. SUSA has enough for now.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 07:30 PM
i dont think any club needs kk. they are past their prime. theyre good for training little kids and private lessons. they should stick to that.
kk is a place where you learn skills and then you move on somewhere else to learn how to play the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 08:32 PM
Slammers have their own problems since the merge. Kids are not happy and many parents are moving to SUSA. Big time political atmosphere
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 08:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
so far every merger or partnership that kk has attempted has failed. what does that tell you?

your making it sound like this is casual dating until you find that special one to bring home to mom and dad

Tim maybe the things you say he is but Kurt no angel either. Hes been bragging that stony brook players will follow him if merger falls apart. His track record not very good with partnerships. so knowing this why would you get involved with this hot mess. Kurt not someone to bring home to meet mom and dad. he is more like a one night stand
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/05/21 09:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Slammers have their own problems since the merge. Kids are not happy and many parents are moving to SUSA. Big time political atmosphere

Looking to avoid a political atmosphere they’re turning to al susa? Talk about fool me once shame on me fool me twice well you won’t fool me again
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/06/21 12:14 AM
Hey mister T i pity the fool. But seriously slammers is same as any other merge. Total mess. For some people it works and for some it doesn't. T
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/06/21 01:53 AM
This whole thing sucks, just throwing things together year after year following a failed DOC. Time to move on. Tim who cares this isn’t going to save anything. People already packing it in and ready to go. GREAT JOB STONY BROOK BOARD
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/06/21 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This whole thing sucks, just throwing things together year after year following a failed DOC. Time to move on. Tim who cares this isn’t going to save anything. People already packing it in and ready to go. GREAT JOB STONY BROOK BOARD
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This whole thing sucks, just throwing things together year after year following a failed DOC. Time to move on. Tim who cares this isn’t going to save anything. People already packing it in and ready to go. GREAT JOB STONY BROOK BOARD


What the hell was just written? Put the bottle down
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/06/21 01:16 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s Rob awards kid that plays for Graham. His other kid plays for SB. Guess they ignored your request?

Jerry or Rob, all the same to me. Yes, they ignored me which is what I expected. I am very resourceful and the info I published I had before I gave them the opportunity to deny or amend. They need to understand I have no dog in this fight. I am on the side of the parents whose kids are about to get [****] over if this moves forward, and also to the LGN club which could go bust.

here is a question to ponder....will LIJSL, & ENYYSA step in and stop this by sanctioning or removing the SB Club from their leagues thereby rendering Stony Brook impotent? LIJSL & ENYYSA needed to protect the Dix Hills clubs and they didn't. Will they save LGN from what appears to be another club on the brink of ruin? Inquiring minds would like to know.

More to come.......

Larry have you spoken to other board members? Maybe they have a different view or more info that they would share.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/06/21 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s Rob awards kid that plays for Graham. His other kid plays for SB. Guess they ignored your request?

Jerry or Rob, all the same to me. Yes, they ignored me which is what I expected. I am very resourceful and the info I published I had before I gave them the opportunity to deny or amend. They need to understand I have no dog in this fight. I am on the side of the parents whose kids are about to get [****] over if this moves forward, and also to the LGN club which could go bust.

here is a question to ponder....will LIJSL, & ENYYSA step in and stop this by sanctioning or removing the SB Club from their leagues thereby rendering Stony Brook impotent? LIJSL & ENYYSA needed to protect the Dix Hills clubs and they didn't. Will they save LGN from what appears to be another club on the brink of ruin? Inquiring minds would like to know.

More to come.......

Larry have you spoken to other board members? Maybe they have a different view or more info that they would share.

No. Clearly they (SB & LGN) have a mess on their hands, and more importantly their parent/player base are getting jerked off by these self-serving board members, and the greedy, money grabbing Tim Graham.

The answer will wind up being an exodus from these clubs at the end of the season and any area club not looking to profit off this debacle is making a huge mistake. I'm happy to grab a box of Cracker Jacks and watch this game play out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/06/21 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s Rob awards kid that plays for Graham. His other kid plays for SB. Guess they ignored your request?

Jerry or Rob, all the same to me. Yes, they ignored me which is what I expected. I am very resourceful and the info I published I had before I gave them the opportunity to deny or amend. They need to understand I have no dog in this fight. I am on the side of the parents whose kids are about to get [****] over if this moves forward, and also to the LGN club which could go bust.

here is a question to ponder....will LIJSL, & ENYYSA step in and stop this by sanctioning or removing the SB Club from their leagues thereby rendering Stony Brook impotent? LIJSL & ENYYSA needed to protect the Dix Hills clubs and they didn't. Will they save LGN from what appears to be another club on the brink of ruin? Inquiring minds would like to know.

More to come.......

Larry have you spoken to other board members? Maybe they have a different view or more info that they would share.

No. Clearly they (SB & LGN) have a mess on their hands, and more importantly their parent/player base are getting jerked off by these self-serving board members, and the greedy, money grabbing Tim Graham.

The answer will wind up being an exodus from these clubs at the end of the season and any area club not looking to profit off this debacle is making a huge mistake. I'm happy to grab a box of Cracker Jacks and watch this game play out.

Teams are already exploring options. They would be much better off if they didn't do this as a back room deal. They should have spoken to team reps and addressed their concerns. Instead It looks completely self serving with a total disregard of the membership.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/06/21 03:14 PM
I am sure Surf will be welcoming them all with open arms!
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/06/21 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sure Surf will be welcoming them all with open arms!

Surf is a good option because they’re strong on the girl side and weak on the boys side and Atletico would bring the boys over and that would make for a solid club. Additionally those AthletiCo boys if they choose could be playing in the San Diego surf cup this summer and you’re not going to get into any higher level tournament than the San Diego surf cup. Something for everybody to think about because Stony Brook ain’t going to the surf cup!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/06/21 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s Rob awards kid that plays for Graham. His other kid plays for SB. Guess they ignored your request?

Jerry or Rob, all the same to me. Yes, they ignored me which is what I expected. I am very resourceful and the info I published I had before I gave them the opportunity to deny or amend. They need to understand I have no dog in this fight. I am on the side of the parents whose kids are about to get [****] over if this moves forward, and also to the LGN club which could go bust.

here is a question to ponder....will LIJSL, & ENYYSA step in and stop this by sanctioning or removing the SB Club from their leagues thereby rendering Stony Brook impotent? LIJSL & ENYYSA needed to protect the Dix Hills clubs and they didn't. Will they save LGN from what appears to be another club on the brink of ruin? Inquiring minds would like to know.

More to come.......

Larry have you spoken to other board members? Maybe they have a different view or more info that they would share.

No. Clearly they (SB & LGN) have a mess on their hands, and more importantly their parent/player base are getting jerked off by these self-serving board members, and the greedy, money grabbing Tim Graham.

The answer will wind up being an exodus from these clubs at the end of the season and any area club not looking to profit off this debacle is making a huge mistake. I'm happy to grab a box of Cracker Jacks and watch this game play out.

Larry you should definitely reach out to the other parties on the board to see if anyone is willing to shed some light on all of this. I’m sure there are some board members who are worried about what will happen to their kids if they voice their opinion to the other members.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s Rob awards kid that plays for Graham. His other kid plays for SB. Guess they ignored your request?

Jerry or Rob, all the same to me. Yes, they ignored me which is what I expected. I am very resourceful and the info I published I had before I gave them the opportunity to deny or amend. They need to understand I have no dog in this fight. I am on the side of the parents whose kids are about to get [****] over if this moves forward, and also to the LGN club which could go bust.

here is a question to ponder....will LIJSL, & ENYYSA step in and stop this by sanctioning or removing the SB Club from their leagues thereby rendering Stony Brook impotent? LIJSL & ENYYSA needed to protect the Dix Hills clubs and they didn't. Will they save LGN from what appears to be another club on the brink of ruin? Inquiring minds would like to know.

More to come.......

Larry have you spoken to other board members? Maybe they have a different view or more info that they would share.

No. Clearly they (SB & LGN) have a mess on their hands, and more importantly their parent/player base are getting jerked off by these self-serving board members, and the greedy, money grabbing Tim Graham.

The answer will wind up being an exodus from these clubs at the end of the season and any area club not looking to profit off this debacle is making a huge mistake. I'm happy to grab a box of Cracker Jacks and watch this game play out.

Larry you should definitely reach out to the other parties on the board to see if anyone is willing to shed some light on all of this. I’m sure there are some board members who are worried about what will happen to their kids if they voice their opinion to the other members.

Clearly the leadership of the board do not care what anyone else thinks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 12:37 PM
If the entire board voted for this to happen....couldn't they believe it was best for the club? It wasn't just one or two people who did this....it was the ENTIRE board.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 12:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the entire board voted for this to happen....couldn't they believe it was best for the club? It wasn't just one or two people who did this....it was the ENTIRE board.

Who said the entire board voted on this? No one, that's who. Also, just because the board voted on it doesn't make it good. If the entire board voted on this then it is a done deal, but no one told KK, and Mark Nash, or the parents or the coaches.

Actually, I hope the board did vote on this and they get Tim Graham to complete the denigration of this once proud club.

BOTN TO STONY BROOK SC PARENTS: watch your ass, and your pocketbook, or rather watch Tim Graham and those Board asses.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 01:30 PM
Not a fan of Tim Graham, but LGN is one of the most cost effective competitive clubs on the island so not sure why they would need to watch their pocketbooks.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not a fan of Tim Graham, but LGN is one of the most cost effective competitive clubs on the island so not sure why they would need to watch their pocketbooks.

You are totally missing the point. The LGN players will be going to Stony Brook and registering with Stony Brook. The LGN club from all the info gathered here and elsewhere appears nowhere in this deal. Yes, the parents need to watch their pocketbooks, and LGN needs to watch their bottomline. In all fairness, LGN deserves to get what they are getting by turning over some much control and power to Tim Graham who appears to be stabbing LGN in the back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 01:49 PM
Stony Brook falling fast, if this deal is done then I doubt SB players stay. The will exit just like LGN players do when TG takes over. Start looking at tryout posts and get out of SB fast
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 02:27 PM
I understand, but both clubs seem to be experiencing some of the same issues and unfortunately may not be around in a few years if they don't do something. Kids have been leaving the town clubs in droves to chase the greener pastures being peddled by the for-profit clubs who are charging $3k-$4k a year. Everyone can bash Tim (personally I do not think he is a good trainer myself) but to say he is all about the money is misleading at best. At the end of the day most teams at LGN pay around $100/month and are competitive with the for-profit clubs. This in of itself is quite impressive considering they do not have the number of players these other clubs do to pull from. As for him having too much control, as a parent at LGN for numerous years I think it may be more a result of no one else in the organization taking the reins.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 02:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I understand, but both clubs seem to be experiencing some of the same issues and unfortunately may not be around in a few years if they don't do something. Kids have been leaving the town clubs in droves to chase the greener pastures being peddled by the for-profit clubs who are charging $3k-$4k a year. Everyone can bash Tim (personally I do not think he is a good trainer myself) but to say he is all about the money is misleading at best. At the end of the day most teams at LGN pay around $100/month and are competitive with the for-profit clubs. This in of itself is quite impressive considering they do not have the number of players these other clubs do to pull from. As for him having too much control, as a parent at LGN for numerous years I think it may be more a result of no one else in the organization taking the reins.

To go a bit further on your post, there is no mention of the Board on the LGN website. According to LIJSL the president is Kim Onek, but the email supplied by LIJSL, and the other emails that she has are all dead-ends....and I have yet to be able to confirm who the president of LGN is and contact info is nowhere to be found.

Any help to contact her is appreciated.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 02:51 PM
As a parent who has had many kids go through this club. Across three different presidents. (second marriage) The current president has totally stepped in and taken on a bigger role than ANYONE should have to after the last idiot. She has turned this place around regarding organization and efficiency for once!!! Most members will tell you that. Personally, we were ready to leave after the last Scottish moron! He not only bailed....but ran this place into the ground before doing so along with another moron power hungry board member.
We are beyond thrilled with what has become of LGN under the new leadership. It finally makes it complete and yes, we are worried what will happen now with all we hear about the insanity and corruption at SB.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a parent who has had many kids go through this club. Across three different presidents. (second marriage) The current president has totally stepped in and taken on a bigger role than ANYONE should have to after the last idiot. She has turned this place around regarding organization and efficiency for once!!! Most members will tell you that. Personally, we were ready to leave after the last Scottish moron! He not only bailed....but ran this place into the ground before doing so along with another moron power hungry board member.

We are beyond thrilled with what has become of LGN under the new leadership. It finally makes it complete and yes, we are worried what will happen now with all we hear about the insanity and corruption at SB.


First of all, are you referring to James park, the past president and a female board member, and secondly, do you have this current preidents email? I have all her other contact info that I am reluctant to use as email is less invasive.

I will say that I have heard that she has done a wonderful job, and with that said, why is Tim Graham looking to crash the club? Could it be that the current president sees Tim for what he is and is it simply Tim taking care of Tim and screw LGN?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 03:25 PM
I agree so much. James Park was his name and the other one has to be Todd. Maybe not who you are talking about. But he made things really bad. an old treasurer who saw the books said that.
this president is really good. we needed it. very helpful and cares so much. even paid for my kid to play because we couldn't. Handed me the money. Most people don't do things like that. it was very nice. never told anyone. just was kind. hope lgn stays the same with this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 03:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a parent who has had many kids go through this club. Across three different presidents. (second marriage) The current president has totally stepped in and taken on a bigger role than ANYONE should have to after the last idiot. She has turned this place around regarding organization and efficiency for once!!! Most members will tell you that. Personally, we were ready to leave after the last Scottish moron! He not only bailed....but ran this place into the ground before doing so along with another moron power hungry board member.
We are beyond thrilled with what has become of LGN under the new leadership. It finally makes it complete and yes, we are worried what will happen now with all we hear about the insanity and corruption at SB.


Corruption at stony brook? Like what? And be careful what you say
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 03:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
As a parent who has had many kids go through this club. Across three different presidents. (second marriage) The current president has totally stepped in and taken on a bigger role than ANYONE should have to after the last idiot. She has turned this place around regarding organization and efficiency for once!!! Most members will tell you that. Personally, we were ready to leave after the last Scottish moron! He not only bailed....but ran this place into the ground before doing so along with another moron power hungry board member.
We are beyond thrilled with what has become of LGN under the new leadership. It finally makes it complete and yes, we are worried what will happen now with all we hear about the insanity and corruption at SB.


Corruption at stony brook? Like what? And be careful what you say
....or what? The SB board appears to be corrupt in their handling and managing this situation. Deal with the optics of this...if you don’t like the word corrupt used by the quoted poster to describe what Rob, Jerry, and Linda Ward are doing what word would you choose to put in its place?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 04:21 PM
I don't know this woman but if you go the the LGN Soccer website her email is on the home page. This didn't require that much detective work, a simple google also brings it up.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't know this woman but if you go the the LGN Soccer website her email is on the home page. This didn't require that much detective work, a simple google also brings it up.

I did see that email and others attributed to her and they were rejected with the same message that the email address doesnt exist....and why does the email on the LGN site attribute it to her as a coach and no mention of her as president nor any board members?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I understand, but both clubs seem to be experiencing some of the same issues and unfortunately may not be around in a few years if they don't do something. Kids have been leaving the town clubs in droves to chase the greener pastures being peddled by the for-profit clubs who are charging $3k-$4k a year. Everyone can bash Tim (personally I do not think he is a good trainer myself) but to say he is all about the money is misleading at best. At the end of the day most teams at LGN pay around $100/month and are competitive with the for-profit clubs. This in of itself is quite impressive considering they do not have the number of players these other clubs do to pull from. As for him having too much control, as a parent at LGN for numerous years I think it may be more a result of no one else in the organization taking the reins.
this is kind of off topic of the SB/LGN merger, but ask yourselves this question....what are all these town clubs doing wrong, that is driving kids away from sports(this is not just a soccer thing) at a rate of 70% by age 14?

I ask this rhetorically because I already know the answer. It's well documented in studies done of youth athletes. It's called they're trying to be something they aren't.

Only elite athletes, and psychotic parents should be chasing the scholarships, and regional/national development programs. They represent the upper end of the bell curve. So the SUSAs of the world exist to serve this group.

But the middle 50-70% needs to have a place to play. With all these clubs trying to keep up with the SUSAs of the world, they alienate the kids who love to play but are still figuring it out, or who are playing soccer as a 2nd/3rd sport. If these town clubs want to continue to exist, they need to attack this demographic and give these kids a place to play where they can play with their friends, compete at a proper level, not chasing some dream they don't have, and cannot attain, and provide a quality sports experience for them, by giving them the best training without the pressure that kids for one, don't give a crap about, and two don't want.

Make the org about the kids, and what they need and want, not what the adults want.

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0037/9955/Why_kids_play_sports.pdf
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 07:18 PM
This story just keeps getting better and better. here is the latest installment....ready?

I have been told from a very reliable source that documents have been signed and LGN and SB are working on a new joint club name. This has been in the works since October.

Furthermore, which I have a huge problem with this if true is that Kim Onek is the only board member at LGN, and 100% on board to dissolve LGN if it will benefit the LGN 04 team which Kim's daughter is on.

I have extended an invitation to Kim and I don’t offer two…only this one for her side of the story. If this allegation is true both the LGN and SB clubs are [****] over their players and parents as both club boards are taking care of themselves and their kids to the detriment of their entire memberships.

One question that is up for discussion is what is relationship between Kim And Tim Graham. An allegation in a much earlier post suggested is more than soccer training. Anyone see or hear anything?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 07:46 PM
This is hysterical....I don't know if any of the signing and SB stuff is true. BUT...relationship? No way. if you take one look at him and then one look at her....no chance this guys lands her!!
I am a Sachem person...no dog in either show. I can tell you she was a part of our club for years. A soccer legend who came through the club. All American from Sachem North. She had awesome visions and plans for us and then due to bad board members on Sachem...they lost her and it was a huge Fu** up for Sachem. (among many, since) Either way, she was always looking out for ALL the kids, not only hers. So....I can't believe that part at all....doesn't fit. She helps for summer leagues still in Sachem....just a good person. Just my 2 cents.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 09:01 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
This story just keeps getting better and better. here is the latest installment....ready?

I have been told from a very reliable source that documents have been signed and LGN and SB are working on a new joint club name. This has been in the works since October.

Furthermore, which I have a huge problem with this if true is that Kim Onek is the only board member at LGN, and 100% on board to dissolve LGN if it will benefit the LGN 04 team which Kim's daughter is on.

I have extended an invitation to Kim and I don’t offer two…only this one for her side of the story. If this allegation is true both the LGN and SB clubs are [****] over their players and parents as both club boards are taking care of themselves and their kids to the detriment of their entire memberships.

One question that is up for discussion is what is relationship between Kim And Tim Graham. An allegation in a much earlier post suggested is more than soccer training. Anyone see or hear anything?

I'm sure that some neighboring clubs are more than happy to take in a few teams for anyone not on board with this move.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I understand, but both clubs seem to be experiencing some of the same issues and unfortunately may not be around in a few years if they don't do something. Kids have been leaving the town clubs in droves to chase the greener pastures being peddled by the for-profit clubs who are charging $3k-$4k a year. Everyone can bash Tim (personally I do not think he is a good trainer myself) but to say he is all about the money is misleading at best. At the end of the day most teams at LGN pay around $100/month and are competitive with the for-profit clubs. This in of itself is quite impressive considering they do not have the number of players these other clubs do to pull from. As for him having too much control, as a parent at LGN for numerous years I think it may be more a result of no one else in the organization taking the reins.
this is kind of off topic of the SB/LGN merger, but ask yourselves this question....what are all these town clubs doing wrong, that is driving kids away from sports(this is not just a soccer thing) at a rate of 70% by age 14?

I ask this rhetorically because I already know the answer. It's well documented in studies done of youth athletes. It's called they're trying to be something they aren't.

Only elite athletes, and psychotic parents should be chasing the scholarships, and regional/national development programs. They represent the upper end of the bell curve. So the SUSAs of the world exist to serve this group.

But the middle 50-70% needs to have a place to play. With all these clubs trying to keep up with the SUSAs of the world, they alienate the kids who love to play but are still figuring it out, or who are playing soccer as a 2nd/3rd sport. If these town clubs want to continue to exist, they need to attack this demographic and give these kids a place to play where they can play with their friends, compete at a proper level, not chasing some dream they don't have, and cannot attain, and provide a quality sports experience for them, by giving them the best training without the pressure that kids for one, don't give a crap about, and two don't want.

Make the org about the kids, and what they need and want, not what the adults want.

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0037/9955/Why_kids_play_sports.pdf


The answer to your question is quite simple. The town clubs aren't doing anything "wrong" Most provide a healthy safe environment for your children to develop passion for the game. It's the delusional parents who jump from club to club to chase the next "best" club with trainers that promise scholarships and say "Brilliant" with an English accent that makes parents feel good about throwing their money at them. A small percentage of LI kids play for D-1 and D-2 schools and a smaller % get athletic $ from D-1 and D-2 schools. Your money is better spent on SAT tutors as the $ for academic scholarships outpaces the sports $ many many times over. As to burnout - there are too many clubs, too many leagues and the ratio of training to matches is too low. Too much pressure on kids to perform rather than learn and enjoy.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/07/21 10:00 PM
Remember you read this here first....Lake Grove-Newfield is closing down and being acquired by Stony Brook and a new name for the club will be announced. The thought is to make the announcement (deal not yet signed) should the deal be signed after the tryout season when all players have registered and are locked in. This of course will be to stem players from leaving if they dont want to be part of this new Tim Graham/Rob/Jerry/ Linda Ward club.

I also am of the belief that that KK and Atletico are being given a hand-job by Graham so after the acquisition which Atletico players will have to register with the new organization can be taken from KK as Kurt will be asked to leave the building Timmy.

Coaches who are OK with this will follow Tim,but coaches and parents who not on board need to think about moving. Whole teams may also want to consider jumping clubs before the deluge.

I agree with a poster above who touted Kim Onek, the LGN president, however she will be a non-entity once this acquisition is finalized...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 12:34 AM
What’s going to happen to the Atletico kids?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 12:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s going to happen to the Atletico kids?

It appears they will stay with Atletico. Atletico has an interesting offer on the table......TBD.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 01:37 AM
SURF-Letico

the entire youth soccer landscape (country wide) is in shambles. The same lines fed here on LI about ECNL not having enough players for multiple clubs is the norm in other regions...(Northern VA for example???)...

all the same...people looking to have the keys to the kingdom in for profit organizations and eliminate the organizations who are trying to provide a scaffolded pathway for all players, regardless of ability
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 01:43 AM
tell. i am guessing merger with another club on the horizon ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 02:00 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s going to happen to the Atletico kids?

It appears they will stay with Atletico. Atletico has an interesting offer on the table......TBD.

Yes, it is SURF. I guess SURF thinks Athletico can finally make them happen. It will be a good alternative for unhappy SB/LGN players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 02:13 PM
Larry, any truth to these rumors? Surf and Athletic going forces? Didn't they try this once before?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 02:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry, any truth to these rumors? Surf and Athletic going forces? Didn't they try this once before?

I'm 99.9% confident that KK will not be continuing with SB as they will not want to run into probable issues of poaching or outright taking over his players or club by Tim Graham.

Kurt knows all about Tim Graham and will not drive through that red light.

I do not know if KK and Surf tried this before. It seems that NY Surf finally got through to Mama (San Diego Surf) and are welcome at the San Diego Surf Cup. This, IMO, is a huge tool for NY Surf to pt into their recruitment process. I know that Kurt would love to have the Atletico boys have that opportunity to play in one of a small handful of top-tier tournaments.

TBD....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 03:34 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry, any truth to these rumors? Surf and Athletic going forces? Didn't they try this once before?

I'm 99.9% confident that KK will not be continuing with SB as they will not want to run into probable issues of poaching or outright taking over his players or club by Tim Graham.

Kurt knows all about Tim Graham and will not drive through that red light.

I do not know if KK and Surf tried this before. It seems that NY Surf finally got through to Mama (San Diego Surf) and are welcome at the San Diego Surf Cup. This, IMO, is a huge tool for NY Surf to pt into their recruitment process. I know that Kurt would love to have the Atletico boys have that opportunity to play in one of a small handful of top-tier tournaments.

TBD....

1 Is NY Surf still a thing
2 does Kurt have any competitive boys teams
3 Anyone can go to Surf Cup if they want
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Larry Miller][quote=Anonymous]Larry, any truth to these rumors? Surf and Athletic going forces? Didn't they try this once before?

Originally Posted by Larry Miller
I'm 99.9% confident that KK will not be continuing with SB as they will not want to run into probable issues of poaching or outright taking over his players or club by Tim Graham.

Kurt knows all about Tim Graham and will not drive through that red light.

I do not know if KK and Surf tried this before. It seems that NY Surf finally got through to Mama (San Diego Surf) and are welcome at the San Diego Surf Cup. This, IMO, is a huge tool for NY Surf to pt into their recruitment process. I know that Kurt would love to have the Atletico boys have that opportunity to play in one of a small handful of top-tier tournaments.

TBD....

Originally Posted by Larry Miller
1 Is NY Surf still a thing
2 does Kurt have any competitive boys teams
3 Anyone can go to Surf Cup if they want

1 Is NY Surf still a thing YES
2 does Kurt have any competitive boys teams YES
3 Anyone can go to Surf Cup if they want NO
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Larry Miller][quote=Anonymous]Larry, any truth to these rumors? Surf and Athletic going forces? Didn't they try this once before?

Originally Posted by Larry Miller
I'm 99.9% confident that KK will not be continuing with SB as they will not want to run into probable issues of poaching or outright taking over his players or club by Tim Graham.

Kurt knows all about Tim Graham and will not drive through that red light.

I do not know if KK and Surf tried this before. It seems that NY Surf finally got through to Mama (San Diego Surf) and are welcome at the San Diego Surf Cup. This, IMO, is a huge tool for NY Surf to pt into their recruitment process. I know that Kurt would love to have the Atletico boys have that opportunity to play in one of a small handful of top-tier tournaments.

TBD....

Originally Posted by Larry Miller
1 Is NY Surf still a thing
2 does Kurt have any competitive boys teams
3 Anyone can go to Surf Cup if they want

1 Is NY Surf still a thing YES
2 does Kurt have any competitive boys teams YES
3 Anyone can go to Surf Cup if they want NO

KK doesn't have any truly competitive boys' teams. The 03 team collapsed and the 04 team is not even as good as the competing SB 04 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 04:48 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Remember you read this here first....Lake Grove-Newfield is closing down and being acquired by Stony Brook and a new name for the club will be announced. The thought is to make the announcement (deal not yet signed) should the deal be signed after the tryout season when all players have registered and are locked in. This of course will be to stem players from leaving if they dont want to be part of this new Tim Graham/Rob/Jerry/ Linda Ward club.

I also am of the belief that that KK and Atletico are being given a hand-job by Graham so after the acquisition which Atletico players will have to register with the new organization can be taken from KK as Kurt will be asked to leave the building Timmy.

Coaches who are OK with this will follow Tim,but coaches and parents who not on board need to think about moving. Whole teams may also want to consider jumping clubs before the deluge.

I agree with a poster above who touted Kim Onek, the LGN president, however she will be a non-entity once this acquisition is finalized...

What happens to Nash in all of this?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Larry Miller]Remember you read this here first....Lake Grove-Newfield is closing down and being acquired by Stony Brook and a new name for the club will be announced. The thought is to make the announcement (deal not yet signed) should the deal be signed after the tryout season when all players have registered and are locked in. This of course will be to stem players from leaving if they dont want to be part of this new Tim Graham/Rob/Jerry/ Linda Ward club.

I also am of the belief that that KK and Atletico are being given a hand-job by Graham so after the acquisition which Atletico players will have to register with the new organization can be taken from KK as Kurt will be asked to leave the building Timmy.

Coaches who are OK with this will follow Tim,but coaches and parents who not on board need to think about moving. Whole teams may also want to consider jumping clubs before the deluge.

I agree with a poster above who touted Kim Onek, the LGN president, however she will be a non-entity once this acquisition is finalized...

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What happens to Nash in all of this?

Mark will be the DOC of the girls should he choose to continue with Stony Brook, but I do know he is being courted by others as he is a strong asset for any club and many would like to have Mark on their coaching roster.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 05:01 PM
Surf and KK would make a dangerous pair, especially for LISC and EM. Good Youngers with KK gives Surf some new blood. Could be interesting, don't count slammers out, they will be after KK and all his kids as well
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Surf and KK would make a dangerous pair, especially for LISC and EM. Good Youngers with KK gives Surf some new blood. Could be interesting, don't count slammers out, they will be after KK and all his kids as well


Slammers and KK are a no-go.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 07:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Surf and KK would make a dangerous pair, especially for LISC and EM. Good Youngers with KK gives Surf some new blood. Could be interesting, don't count slammers out, they will be after KK and all his kids as well

Surf is not good on Long Island. No real competition on the boys' side at all. Just like KK.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I understand, but both clubs seem to be experiencing some of the same issues and unfortunately may not be around in a few years if they don't do something. Kids have been leaving the town clubs in droves to chase the greener pastures being peddled by the for-profit clubs who are charging $3k-$4k a year. Everyone can bash Tim (personally I do not think he is a good trainer myself) but to say he is all about the money is misleading at best. At the end of the day most teams at LGN pay around $100/month and are competitive with the for-profit clubs. This in of itself is quite impressive considering they do not have the number of players these other clubs do to pull from. As for him having too much control, as a parent at LGN for numerous years I think it may be more a result of no one else in the organization taking the reins.
this is kind of off topic of the SB/LGN merger, but ask yourselves this question....what are all these town clubs doing wrong, that is driving kids away from sports(this is not just a soccer thing) at a rate of 70% by age 14?

I ask this rhetorically because I already know the answer. It's well documented in studies done of youth athletes. It's called they're trying to be something they aren't.

Only elite athletes, and psychotic parents should be chasing the scholarships, and regional/national development programs. They represent the upper end of the bell curve. So the SUSAs of the world exist to serve this group.

But the middle 50-70% needs to have a place to play. With all these clubs trying to keep up with the SUSAs of the world, they alienate the kids who love to play but are still figuring it out, or who are playing soccer as a 2nd/3rd sport. If these town clubs want to continue to exist, they need to attack this demographic and give these kids a place to play where they can play with their friends, compete at a proper level, not chasing some dream they don't have, and cannot attain, and provide a quality sports experience for them, by giving them the best training without the pressure that kids for one, don't give a crap about, and two don't want.

Make the org about the kids, and what they need and want, not what the adults want.

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0037/9955/Why_kids_play_sports.pdf


The answer to your question is quite simple. The town clubs aren't doing anything "wrong" Most provide a healthy safe environment for your children to develop passion for the game. It's the delusional parents who jump from club to club to chase the next "best" club with trainers that promise scholarships and say "Brilliant" with an English accent that makes parents feel good about throwing their money at them. A small percentage of LI kids play for D-1 and D-2 schools and a smaller % get athletic $ from D-1 and D-2 schools. Your money is better spent on SAT tutors as the $ for academic scholarships outpaces the sports $ many many times over. As to burnout - there are too many clubs, too many leagues and the ratio of training to matches is too low. Too much pressure on kids to perform rather than learn and enjoy.
I agree with your statement of where people should be focusing, but with all these clubs merging and growing to compete for bodies, and dollars, the data suggests you're wrong on what they're doing wrong...because people would not be fleeing sports if indeed they were creating a healthy environment. But that's a discussion over a few beers one day.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Surf and KK would make a dangerous pair, especially for LISC and EM. Good Youngers with KK gives Surf some new blood. Could be interesting, don't count slammers out, they will be after KK and all his kids as well

Surf is not good on Long Island. No real competition on the boys' side at all. Just like KK.

Perhaps with the growing relationship and affiliation between New York 🏄‍♀️ and San Diego Surf coupled with the abilities of KK Atletico they just might surprise you by what they’ll be able to build. TBD
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 07:40 PM
Surf very good on the girls side, they don't have boys so does KK bring all his boys teams there?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 11:23 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Surf and KK would make a dangerous pair, especially for LISC and EM. Good Youngers with KK gives Surf some new blood. Could be interesting, don't count slammers out, they will be after KK and all his kids as well

Surf is not good on Long Island. No real competition on the boys' side at all. Just like KK.

Perhaps with the growing relationship and affiliation between New York 🏄‍♀️ and San Diego Surf coupled with the abilities of KK Atletico they just might surprise you by what they’ll be able to build. TBD

Sure, KK and SURF has potential if they knew what they were doing. Fact is both have proven they don't know what they are doing in this market, so don't expect any more than what their track records have demonstrated. What are they going to do different?
For all the SUSA bashing, at least their formula is working, for them, like it or not.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/08/21 11:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Surf and KK would make a dangerous pair, especially for LISC and EM. Good Youngers with KK gives Surf some new blood. Could be interesting, don't count slammers out, they will be after KK and all his kids as well

Surf is not good on Long Island. No real competition on the boys' side at all. Just like KK.

Perhaps with the growing relationship and affiliation between New York 🏄‍♀️ and San Diego Surf coupled with the abilities of KK Atletico they just might surprise you by what they’ll be able to build. TBD

Sure, KK and SURF has potential if they knew what they were doing. Fact is both have proven they don't know what they are doing in this market, so don't expect any more than what their track records have demonstrated. What are they going to do different?
For all the SUSA bashing, at least their formula is working, for them, like it or not.

Thank you for your uninformed opinion. Obviously you have no idea what is being discussed or who the payers involved are. Your anonymous opinion is just that, an uninformed opinion sans facts or first-hand knowledge.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/09/21 09:21 PM
Larry what’s your email. I would like to send you an informed email with the truth of the situation so you can properly post what’s going on and not have Mark sideline your information to
Suit his needs.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/09/21 10:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry what’s your email. I would like to send you an informed email with the truth of the situation so you can properly post what’s going on and not have Mark sideline your information to
Suit his needs.


First of all, do not make the mistake that Mark is my source as he is not. My email is larry@backofthenet.com and if you send me anything make sure you disclose who you are because knowing who I am speaking with is critical. If you want to do this without attribution that is very OK, just say so.

FYI, the LGN president and two Stony Brook board members is who I getting my info from, and you will have to have something that is both believable and documented to get my attention.

NEVER make the mistake that when I post I am speaking out of my ass. I doubt I will get an email, but I am hopeful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/10/21 01:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Surf and KK would make a dangerous pair, especially for LISC and EM. Good Youngers with KK gives Surf some new blood. Could be interesting, don't count slammers out, they will be after KK and all his kids as well

Surf is not good on Long Island. No real competition on the boys' side at all. Just like KK.

Surf was never good fit on Long Island. Why would you want your kid to play for a west-coast based organization? Do you think they will give your kid more exposure to west coast college coaches? Do a little research. Very few LI players on west coast rosters. Most kids (not all) go to colleges within a 8 hour driving radius of where they live. Most coaches (not all) do most of their recruiting within an 8 hour driving radius of their school. Don't believe me - look at the rosters of college teams. The bigger more well known programs attract the best kids from all over and have the most geographic diversity. If your kid really wants to play at Surf Cup, there are guest player opportunities. I never understood why LI parents went ga-ga over Surf when they first showed up on the already over-crowded LI soccer scene. They may have decent training but there is plenty of that already in the NY metro area.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/10/21 12:05 PM
You moron, Surf puts all of their players in college. My kid played on the 01 team and every kid got placed in a college. # D1 and the rest d2 and d3. Thats better than most of the other Long Island academies. Also coaching at Surf is as good as anywhere on the island, the fact you said there is already decent training in the metro area shows us that you have no clue
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/10/21 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by LoveThisGame20
As a father of a player that played for him (Tim) I was under no belief that my child was the next great thing all my child wanted to do was to see what they could achieve in the sport. But after a few B.S. conversations (which you will hear) with him to secure my child's commitment to the team and a few good practices, you will notice the defects in the training and coaching starts to show.

To all the SB, run do not hire him, if you like seeing your highly paid trainer sitting in a chair or ground looking like a homeless person collecting cans on the side of the road and having some of his players from other teams run the practice than he is the man for you. Over half the practice will consist of running in the beginning and the end (which my child did on their own time) which does not cost me anything.

He is paid to train soccer not to be a conditioning trainer, and if a kid does not have the conditioning then they should not play (my child included). His teams will enter high level tournaments with alot of travel, which I love and can afford but to watch an 18 player team go to Nationals with 5 kids never coming off the bench is just sad. This is not a pro team is and the child isn’t getting a Scholarship (free education) so playing time should be a given, even 5 or 10 minutes a half.

Just so you are aware my child did play but to see the faces of the players that didn’t was just killing me and my child. So, if your child is in the top 11 or 13 they will see the field, but the rest of the roster are only a 2 legged ATM in his eyes.

My child now plays for a different team for the last year and half and is happy and just to remind the parents reading this HAPPY. Just so all the readers understand I am no snowflake and does not feel every child should get an award, awards and accolades should be earned.

My child does not see teammates being used as an ATM or being told they suck, oh yes you will be paying a person to tell them they suck. He will seem nice at first but no communication with parents, none.

It will be the worst thing you could ever do is hire him, you are better off walking up to your son and kick him in the B@lls since the same look on his face will be the same look he gives you when he sits the bench or 5 games without playing....

I usually just read posts in here, but I have to reply to this one.

From experience, I can attest to the 100% truth of this statement. Financially, also there is a huge conflict of interest as well because as a person who stands to profit, he also serves on the Board of Directors and is involved in decision making which affects his business's profit margin directly. Honestly, I have seen this with two training companies at two different LI soccer clubs and it would only take one really pissed off parent or board member to file a complaint with the IRS or NYC Dept. of Taxation and for them to potentially lose their 501c3 tax exempt status. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened already.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/10/21 04:06 PM
I would also add to the post above that BOTN has confirmed that Tim Graham is taking or has taken the lead role for this acquistion, which is what it is going to be. For that reason look for certain Stony Brook staff and especially players and whole teams leaving after the season.

Timmy's strategy is to wait until the the players register and pay for the Fall season to make the announcement. Mark Nash, if he stays, and David Somma, if he stays will become Tim's bitches. KK and his players and teams are clear about Tim Graham and will be moving out. I expect an announcement from KK within a very short period of time.

I would also like to respond to a request made by Tim Graham for a meeting with Kurt Kelley, CJ Orlando and myself. NO [****] WAY would I ever want to meet or talk to you Tim, and I know that goes for CJ Orlando who you screwed over more than once. Kurt is a gentleman and will stay quiet. Buzzoff Timmy, and get a real job and career instead of hustling kids and parents. You're 52 and time to grow-up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/10/21 09:14 PM
Mark Nash heading to Surf with Kelly is my understanding.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/10/21 09:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mark Nash heading to Surf with Kelly is my understanding.

That is NOT true.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/10/21 09:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LoveThisGame20
As a father of a player that played for him (Tim) I was under no belief that my child was the next great thing all my child wanted to do was to see what they could achieve in the sport. But after a few B.S. conversations (which you will hear) with him to secure my child's commitment to the team and a few good practices, you will notice the defects in the training and coaching starts to show.

To all the SB, run do not hire him, if you like seeing your highly paid trainer sitting in a chair or ground looking like a homeless person collecting cans on the side of the road and having some of his players from other teams run the practice than he is the man for you. Over half the practice will consist of running in the beginning and the end (which my child did on their own time) which does not cost me anything.

He is paid to train soccer not to be a conditioning trainer, and if a kid does not have the conditioning then they should not play (my child included). His teams will enter high level tournaments with alot of travel, which I love and can afford but to watch an 18 player team go to Nationals with 5 kids never coming off the bench is just sad. This is not a pro team is and the child isn’t getting a Scholarship (free education) so playing time should be a given, even 5 or 10 minutes a half.

Just so you are aware my child did play but to see the faces of the players that didn’t was just killing me and my child. So, if your child is in the top 11 or 13 they will see the field, but the rest of the roster are only a 2 legged ATM in his eyes.

My child now plays for a different team for the last year and half and is happy and just to remind the parents reading this HAPPY. Just so all the readers understand I am no snowflake and does not feel every child should get an award, awards and accolades should be earned.

My child does not see teammates being used as an ATM or being told they suck, oh yes you will be paying a person to tell them they suck. He will seem nice at first but no communication with parents, none.

It will be the worst thing you could ever do is hire him, you are better off walking up to your son and kick him in the B@lls since the same look on his face will be the same look he gives you when he sits the bench or 5 games without playing....

I usually just read posts in here, but I have to reply to this one.

From experience, I can attest to the 100% truth of this statement. Financially, also there is a huge conflict of interest as well because as a person who stands to profit, he also serves on the Board of Directors and is involved in decision making which affects his business's profit margin directly. Honestly, I have seen this with two training companies at two different LI soccer clubs and it would only take one really pissed off parent or board member to file a complaint with the IRS or NYC Dept. of Taxation and for them to potentially lose their 501c3 tax exempt status. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened already.

Regarding Tim Graham on the LGN board here is a reply from the club:

"As per our by-laws, yes, the DOC (whoever it may be) does hold a board position. However, the position is limited in voting privilege. It has no vote on any matters relating to finances, LGN’s structure or our contractual agreement between LGN and the training organization."

As per the BOTN that seems to stink to us!! Now what about the lady on the board being alluded to as Timmy's girlfriend? Does anyone have her ID?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/10/21 11:05 PM
Checking Guidestar it appears that LGN does not publish its Board of Directors, and has not filed taxes since 2018. You can see ther 2018 990 Tax form by clicking the link below.

Attached File
LGN-2018-990.pdf  (57 downloads)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/11/21 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mark Nash heading to Surf with Kelly is my understanding.

That is NOT true.

Players are saying this is happening.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/11/21 02:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mark Nash heading to Surf with Kelly is my understanding.

That is NOT true.

Players are saying this is happening.

As of this writing it is NOT happening. They haven't even spoken to each other. I do know that Mark is being courted by other clubs, but Surf, not yet.

However could it be you're confused and it is the players that going or talking to Surf?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/11/21 03:36 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
As per the BOTN that seems to stink to us!! Now what about the lady on the board being alluded to as Timmy's girlfriend? Does anyone have her ID?

I think this is how a number of clubs get around it. It's not ironclad protection though - and certainly doesn't negate the fact that there is a clear conflict of interest. Just google "nonvoting board members of nonprofit organizations" and you will see this is not a recommended practice because it could negatively affect the organization AND the nonvoting member legally. Also, these nonvoting board members cannot participate in the discussion nor the vote, so if they are party to the discussion happening and decision-making prior to the actual vote on an issue, the line in the bylaws means nothing.

In terms of ethics, you have to consider nepotism and fraternization issues as well. If there are personal relationships with voting board members and nonvoting board members (or the president of the board), the question really becomes - Is it possible that this member gains an indirect influence in the operations of the organization? Seems like that's a yes.

At any rate, that's their issue to solve (or not).
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/11/21 04:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
As per the BOTN that seems to stink to us!! Now what about the lady on the board being alluded to as Timmy's girlfriend? Does anyone have her ID?

I think this is how a number of clubs get around it. It's not ironclad protection though - and certainly doesn't negate the fact that there is a clear conflict of interest. Just google "nonvoting board members of nonprofit organizations" and you will see this is not a recommended practice because it could negatively affect the organization AND the nonvoting member legally. Also, these nonvoting board members cannot participate in the discussion nor the vote, so if they are party to the discussion happening and decision-making prior to the actual vote on an issue, the line in the bylaws means nothing.

In terms of ethics, you have to consider nepotism and fraternization issues as well. If there are personal relationships with voting board members and nonvoting board members (or the president of the board), the question really becomes - Is it possible that this member gains an indirect influence in the operations of the organization? Seems like that's a yes.

At any rate, that's their issue to solve (or not).


Should the SB board members who have kids playing at LGN been able to vote on the merger? How is it not a conflict of interest?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/11/21 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
As per the BOTN that seems to stink to us!! Now what about the lady on the board being alluded to as Timmy's girlfriend? Does anyone have her ID?

I think this is how a number of clubs get around it. It's not ironclad protection though - and certainly doesn't negate the fact that there is a clear conflict of interest. Just google "nonvoting board members of nonprofit organizations" and you will see this is not a recommended practice because it could negatively affect the organization AND the nonvoting member legally. Also, these nonvoting board members cannot participate in the discussion nor the vote, so if they are party to the discussion happening and decision-making prior to the actual vote on an issue, the line in the bylaws means nothing.

In terms of ethics, you have to consider nepotism and fraternization issues as well. If there are personal relationships with voting board members and nonvoting board members (or the president of the board), the question really becomes - Is it possible that this member gains an indirect influence in the operations of the organization? Seems like that's a yes.

At any rate, that's their issue to solve (or not).


Should the SB board members who have kids playing at LGN been able to vote on the merger? How is it not a conflict of interest?

How is it you think they care? Obviously this is all about Tim Graham's ability to influence the Ward Family and to totally abandon the thought they may be abusing the players and parents. I have said this before and I will say it again, while these boards say they are in it for the kids, appear to only be in it for either their kid and the trainers are in it for the money.

Your child is nowhere in the top 5 reasons for doing what Stony Brook & LGN are doing. Those of you that register with either club for the Fall who do not get a guarantee of what you are paying for will deserve to get blind-sided.
Posted By: anonymous1974 Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/11/21 09:02 PM
Mergers are always rough at the start. Teams get broken up, friendships take a hit. Parents and Players think they belong on A and end up on B etc. Etc...

Some kids and parents liked their coach and now have to prove talent to another one. Some kids and parents might be happy to have a new coach and opportunity.

Why would a board members not care about their own children? Does not mean they are making a bad decision for all? We all want the best trainers.

It is up to each family to do what is best for their own child. Go tryout with all programs. Talk to parents find out about hidden fees, tournaments, coaches personality, Playing time and even ask about team weakness. Talk to the coaches see what system they use, how they see your child fitting in, will they start or have to earn their time. Where does the team practice and play? How many days is training and length?

Do you own research and find the best place for your child to develop.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by anonymous1974
Mergers are always rough at the start. Teams get broken up, friendships take a hit. Parents and Players think they belong on A and end up on B etc. Etc...

Some kids and parents liked their coach and now have to prove talent to another one. Some kids and parents might be happy to have a new coach and opportunity.

Why would a board members not care about their own children? Does not mean they are making a bad decision for all? We all want the best trainers.

It is up to each family to do what is best for their own child. Go tryout with all programs. Talk to parents find out about hidden fees, tournaments, coaches personality, Playing time and even ask about team weakness. Talk to the coaches see what system they use, how they see your child fitting in, will they start or have to earn their time. Where does the team practice and play? How many days is training and length?

Do you own research and find the best place for your child to develop.

You absolutely right with above, after this weekend we have decided to leave as this club and so called merger is not worth the aggravation that it’s bringing. There is no communication many talking on the sidelines about this and the feeling was mutual from most of the parents that it’s time to go. This club no longer serves a purpose and is failing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonymous1974
Mergers are always rough at the start. Teams get broken up, friendships take a hit. Parents and Players think they belong on A and end up on B etc. Etc...

Some kids and parents liked their coach and now have to prove talent to another one. Some kids and parents might be happy to have a new coach and opportunity.

Why would a board members not care about their own children? Does not mean they are making a bad decision for all? We all want the best trainers.

It is up to each family to do what is best for their own child. Go tryout with all programs. Talk to parents find out about hidden fees, tournaments, coaches personality, Playing time and even ask about team weakness. Talk to the coaches see what system they use, how they see your child fitting in, will they start or have to earn their time. Where does the team practice and play? How many days is training and length?

Do you own research and find the best place for your child to develop.

You absolutely right with above, after this weekend we have decided to leave as this club and so called merger is not worth the aggravation that it’s bringing. There is no communication many talking on the sidelines about this and the feeling was mutual from most of the parents that it’s time to go. This club no longer serves a purpose and is failing.

Welcome to me 18 months ago for my kid.

People need to ask themselves why are you there? Why are you spending the money, the time? Ask yourself does this club on its current trajectory provide for your child, what your child is there for? For my kid, the answer was a resounding no and that's with KK involved, and Mark Nash who while there are issues there, I generally like, and I loved my kid's last trainer/coach there.

For us, Smithtown was the refugee camp we moved to. Are they perfect? No. But they promised XYZ, so far XYZ is what my kid has received. My oldest played in LGN and the Tim Graham [****] show. Everything will get exponentially worse. At least Kurt and Nash are generally honest men. Tim is not. He's a used car salesman dressed in soccer warmups. Run folks. Do not walk, run.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 01:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry what’s your email. I would like to send you an informed email with the truth of the situation so you can properly post what’s going on and not have Mark sideline your information to
Suit his needs.

I'm still waiting for this email....tick tock....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by anonymous1974
Mergers are always rough at the start. Teams get broken up, friendships take a hit. Parents and Players think they belong on A and end up on B etc. Etc...

Some kids and parents liked their coach and now have to prove talent to another one. Some kids and parents might be happy to have a new coach and opportunity.

Why would a board members not care about their own children? Does not mean they are making a bad decision for all? We all want the best trainers.

It is up to each family to do what is best for their own child. Go tryout with all programs. Talk to parents find out about hidden fees, tournaments, coaches personality, Playing time and even ask about team weakness. Talk to the coaches see what system they use, how they see your child fitting in, will they start or have to earn their time. Where does the team practice and play? How many days is training and length?

Do you own research and find the best place for your child to develop.

You absolutely right with above, after this weekend we have decided to leave as this club and so called merger is not worth the aggravation that it’s bringing. There is no communication many talking on the sidelines about this and the feeling was mutual from most of the parents that it’s time to go. This club no longer serves a purpose and is failing.

Welcome to me 18 months ago for my kid.

People need to ask themselves why are you there? Why are you spending the money, the time? Ask yourself does this club on its current trajectory provide for your child, what your child is there for? For my kid, the answer was a resounding no and that's with KK involved, and Mark Nash who while there are issues there, I generally like, and I loved my kid's last trainer/coach there.

For us, Smithtown was the refugee camp we moved to. Are they perfect? No. But they promised XYZ, so far XYZ is what my kid has received. My oldest played in LGN and the Tim Graham [****] show. Everything will get exponentially worse. At least Kurt and Nash are generally honest men. Tim is not. He's a used car salesman dressed in soccer warmups. Run folks. Do not walk, run.




You will end up paying for the uganda kids that sleep in Tim Grahms apartment, without those kids, Tims teams can't produce. I wouldn't trust a thing from the LGN board. When a board member sleeps with the DOC validity goes out the window
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 05:23 PM
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Welcome to me 18 months ago for my kid.

People need to ask themselves why are you there? Why are you spending the money, the time? Ask yourself does this club on its current trajectory provide for your child, what your child is there for? For my kid, the answer was a resounding no and that's with KK involved, and Mark Nash who while there are issues there, I generally like, and I loved my kid's last trainer/coach there.

For us, Smithtown was the refugee camp we moved to. Are they perfect? No. But they promised XYZ, so far XYZ is what my kid has received. My oldest played in LGN and the Tim Graham [****] show. Everything will get exponentially worse. At least Kurt and Nash are generally honest men. Tim is not. He's a used car salesman dressed in soccer warmups. Run folks. Do not walk, run.

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You will end up paying for the uganda kids that sleep in Tim Grahms apartment, without those kids, Tims teams can't produce. I wouldn't trust a thing from the LGN board. When a board member sleeps with the DOC validity goes out the window

A few thoughts: TG dating a Board member is a clear problem and a conflict. That should not be accepted by anybody. As to the other point though, it's only 1 kid from Uganda. I am not sure how much 1 kid could change that 03 team which was already good. But TG hosts that kid and supports and takes care of him. That boy's family was sick/dying in Uganda and he has a better life here. TG was even sending money back to his family after the boy was here. Say what you want, but TG has helped that kid. Maybe selfishly, but I think it has grown into more than that.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Welcome to me 18 months ago for my kid.

People need to ask themselves why are you there? Why are you spending the money, the time? Ask yourself does this club on its current trajectory provide for your child, what your child is there for? For my kid, the answer was a resounding no and that's with KK involved, and Mark Nash who while there are issues there, I generally like, and I loved my kid's last trainer/coach there.

For us, Smithtown was the refugee camp we moved to. Are they perfect? No. But they promised XYZ, so far XYZ is what my kid has received. My oldest played in LGN and the Tim Graham [****] show. Everything will get exponentially worse. At least Kurt and Nash are generally honest men. Tim is not. He's a used car salesman dressed in soccer warmups. Run folks. Do not walk, run.

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You will end up paying for the uganda kids that sleep in Tim Grahms apartment, without those kids, Tims teams can't produce. I wouldn't trust a thing from the LGN board. When a board member sleeps with the DOC validity goes out the window

A few thoughts: TG dating a Board member is a clear problem and a conflict. That should not be accepted by anybody. As to the other point though, it's only 1 kid from Uganda. I am not sure how much 1 kid could change that 03 team which was already good. But TG hosts that kid and supports and takes care of him. That boy's family was sick/dying in Uganda and he has a better life here. TG was even sending money back to his family after the boy was here. Say what you want, but TG has helped that kid. Maybe selfishly, but I think it has grown into more than that.

That post is very touching, but what you failed to mention is Timmy's always having the boys over to his apartment..a few at a time. Now, don't you think it's questionable that a 52 y/o single adult male invites teen boys over to his apartment for pizza regularly? I sure do. They have names for guys that do that!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
That post is very touching, but what you failed to mention is Timmy's always having the boys over to his apartment..a few at a time. Now, don't you think it's questionable that a 52 y/o single adult male invites teen boys over to his apartment for pizza regularly? I sure do. They have names for guys that do that!!


WOW!

2 things

1) That's a hell of an unwritten accusation. I sure as hell hope there's no validity to it.

2) Has anyone ever looked up his Safesport status if that accusation is true?

I mean Safesport isn't exactly close to perfect in reporting and keeping these people away from kids, but if indeed he is doing such a thing, that is a serious breach of Safesport that needs to be reported. It would also cast doubt on him dating a female board member :P
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 06:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
That post is very touching, but what you failed to mention is Timmy's always having the boys over to his apartment..a few at a time. Now, don't you think it's questionable that a 52 y/o single adult male invites teen boys over to his apartment for pizza regularly? I sure do. They have names for guys that do that!!


WOW!

2 things

1) That's a hell of an unwritten accusation. I sure as hell hope there's no validity to it.

2) Has anyone ever looked up his Safesport status if that accusation is true?

I mean Safesport isn't exactly close to perfect in reporting and keeping these people away from kids, but if indeed he is doing such a thing, that is a serious breach of Safesport that needs to be reported. It would also cast doubt on him dating a female board member :P

You are correct. That is one hell of an accusation. I have no idea about the post about a boy from Uganda, but on the "pizza parties", I know one of the boys, and his parents who have actually shared that information with me. Yeah, I'm gonna stick wth that statement as accurate and true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
That post is very touching, but what you failed to mention is Timmy's always having the boys over to his apartment..a few at a time. Now, don't you think it's questionable that a 52 y/o single adult male invites teen boys over to his apartment for pizza regularly? I sure do. They have names for guys that do that!!


WOW!

2 things

1) That's a hell of an unwritten accusation. I sure as hell hope there's no validity to it.

2) Has anyone ever looked up his Safesport status if that accusation is true?

I mean Safesport isn't exactly close to perfect in reporting and keeping these people away from kids, but if indeed he is doing such a thing, that is a serious breach of Safesport that needs to be reported. It would also cast doubt on him dating a female board member :P

You are correct. That is one hell of an accusation. I have no idea about the post about a boy from Uganda, but on the "pizza parties", I know one of the boys, and his parents who have actually shared that information with me. Yeah, I'm gonna stick wth that statement as accurate and true.

Did those parents ever contact the police or file a report with the Club? Because if it's as serious as they say, then they should have.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
That post is very touching, but what you failed to mention is Timmy's always having the boys over to his apartment..a few at a time. Now, don't you think it's questionable that a 52 y/o single adult male invites teen boys over to his apartment for pizza regularly? I sure do. They have names for guys that do that!!


WOW!

2 things

1) That's a hell of an unwritten accusation. I sure as hell hope there's no validity to it.

2) Has anyone ever looked up his Safesport status if that accusation is true?

I mean Safesport isn't exactly close to perfect in reporting and keeping these people away from kids, but if indeed he is doing such a thing, that is a serious breach of Safesport that needs to be reported. It would also cast doubt on him dating a female board member :P

You are correct. That is one hell of an accusation. I have no idea about the post about a boy from Uganda, but on the "pizza parties", I know one of the boys, and his parents who have actually shared that information with me. Yeah, I'm gonna stick with that statement as accurate and true.

Did those parents ever contact the police or file a report with the Club? Because if it's as serious as they say, then they should have.
I know one parent didn't allow their kid to attend, but no, no parent did say anything or bring it up to Tim Graham.. They certainly should have including my source with first-hand knowledge.

One just has to look at the situation with the Met Oval trainer who is back in court next week. Someone should have said something years ago when it was happening.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/12/21 09:49 PM
The guy is not from Met oval, he ran some makeshift "gym" out of his apartment and parents from local clubs are stupid for sending their kids there by word of mouth.

To see if this man really cares about the Ugandan kid, the real question to ask is if he really cares about this Ugandan kid if this kid wants to join another club would his guy still give the same amount of love and care to this child and the same amount of privileges to him and the same amount of money to the sick family back in his country?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/13/21 02:35 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
That post is very touching, but what you failed to mention is Timmy's always having the boys over to his apartment..a few at a time. Now, don't you think it's questionable that a 52 y/o single adult male invites teen boys over to his apartment for pizza regularly? I sure do. They have names for guys that do that!!


WOW!

2 things

1) That's a hell of an unwritten accusation. I sure as hell hope there's no validity to it.

2) Has anyone ever looked up his Safesport status if that accusation is true?

I mean Safesport isn't exactly close to perfect in reporting and keeping these people away from kids, but if indeed he is doing such a thing, that is a serious breach of Safesport that needs to be reported. It would also cast doubt on him dating a female board member :P

You are correct. That is one hell of an accusation. I have no idea about the post about a boy from Uganda, but on the "pizza parties", I know one of the boys, and his parents who have actually shared that information with me. Yeah, I'm gonna stick wth that statement as accurate and true.


Do you think the SB board knows about him having these pizza parties on his apartment with players? If true their stupidity is staggering.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/13/21 02:55 AM
In fairness this is not an allegation about any mufky pufky but the optics are over the top..

Do I think the Stony Brook board knows? No, I don’t, and I think they’re going to gloss right over this as just BS.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/13/21 01:29 PM
Here is the published list of the LGN Board:

President - 
Kim Onek
Treasurer
 - Colette Galvez
Registrar

 - Duties being assumed by Kim Onek
Executive Coordinator (Secretary)

 - Jen O'Connor
Risk Management

 - duties being assumed by Kyle Famiglietti/Dan Giovingo interim
DOC
 - 
Tim Graham

Advisory Board: Dave Beierle, Dan Giovingo, Mile Alestra, Kyle Famiglietti
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/13/21 02:16 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
In fairness this is not an allegation about any mufky pufky but the optics are over the top.

Do I think the stony Brook board knows? No, I don’t, and I think they’re going to gloss right over this as just BS.
It's not even a matter of optics, as someone who has had to go through safesport and other programs like it since 2003, this is like not even close to being good.

BTW I was the commenter who replied with the WOW! above.

Literally every safesport session states that you, as the adult, person in power and control, should never be in a closed door situation with a minor athlete without another, objective adult present in the room.

Housing a youth at your apartment, from a foreign country whose status here is tied directly to you, the person in power, just reeks of an abuse opportunity. 'Pizza parties' at your place with no other adults present, is called grooming. No doubt there are text messages, etc that are being exchanged too.

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. There's a lot of smoke here. Someone needs to investigate and report it to Safesport.

If anyone is a teacher, coach, trainer, medical professional and is aware of these activities, they are required mandatory reporters, and this activity must be reported to appropriate authorities within the LGN organization with a paper trail and lawyers. So if anyone in your first hand knowledge group is a mandatory reporter, and is aware and not reporting it, they can lose their license, etc for failure to perform their duties as a mandatory reporter.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/13/21 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
In fairness this is not an allegation about any mufky pufky but the optics are over the top.

Do I think the stony Brook board knows? No, I don’t, and I think they’re going to gloss right over this as just BS.
It's not even a matter of optics, as someone who has had to go through safesport and other programs like it since 2003, this is like not even close to being good.

BTW I was the commenter who replied with the WOW! above.

Literally every safesport session states that you, as the adult, person in power and control, should never be in a closed door situation with a minor athlete without another, objective adult present in the room.

Housing a youth at your apartment, from a foreign country whose status here is tied directly to you, the person in power, just reeks of an abuse opportunity. 'Pizza parties' at your place with no other adults present, is called grooming. No doubt there are text messages, etc that are being exchanged too.

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. There's a lot of smoke here. Someone needs to investigate and report it to Safesport.

If anyone is a teacher, coach, trainer, medical professional and is aware of these activities, they are required mandatory reporters, and this activity must be reported to appropriate authorities within the LGN organization with a paper trail and lawyers. So if anyone in your first hand knowledge group is a mandatory reporter, and is aware and not reporting it, they can lose their license, etc for failure to perform their duties as a mandatory reporter.

Referencing your closing paragraph, I know that the LGN president, Kim Onek is a teacher, actually a Middle Country SC kindergarten teacher. I dont see her addressing this situation at all. I doubt she will prove me wrong.
Just to add some food for thought. Kim Coaches LGN U17 Girls team, Tim trains them (even though most of the training is done by young boys with him sitting in a chair or ground), Kyle & Dan are father's of the a girls on the U17 team. Do you think they would ever speak up for the club (LGN) or keep things the same to avoid any blowback on the kids. It clearly appears that there is major conflict of interest. The crazy thing I personally witnessed at my child's time with LGN is how the parents have given all power (Money & Kids) over to Kim and Tim. When I discussed this with a few of the parents to kick Kim & Tim off the team or move the team to a new club I was met with shock and fear by them. When I asked a simple question "How are dues spent" I was told Kim just tells the team parent the money she needs and they do not question how it is spent or how it is used. SB parents and board should not allow this merger to happen.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/13/21 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by LoveThisGame20
Just to add some food for thought. Kim Coaches LGN U17 Girls team, Tim trains them (even though most of the training is done by young boys with him sitting in a chair or ground), Kyle & Dan are father's of the a girls on the U17 team. Do you think they would ever speak up for the club (LGN) or keep things the same to avoid any blowback on the kids. It clearly appears that there is major conflict of interest. The crazy thing I personally witnessed at my child's time with LGN is how the parents have given all power (Money & Kids) over to Kim and Tim. When I discussed this with a few of the parents to kick Kim & Tim off the team or move the team to a new club I was met with shock and fear by them. When I asked a simple question "How are dues spent" I was told Kim just tells the team parent the money she needs and they do not question how it is spent or how it is used. SB parents and board should not allow this merger to happen.....

Not only is the SB board pushing thru the merger but they are making him DOC of the club. Why the hell would they put your reputation and the clubs reputation on the line?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/13/21 07:05 PM
ANY WORD ON KK AND SURF POSSIBLE MERGER? THAT SEEMS LIKE A MUCH BETTER OPTION THEN SB/GROVE?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/13/21 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ANY WORD ON KK AND SURF POSSIBLE MERGER? THAT SEEMS LIKE A MUCH BETTER OPTION THEN SB/GROVE?

Nothing yet, but I am of the opinion it will happen and we may get the word within the next 10 days. I also do not believe that two of the major training/coaching forces at Stony Brook will be gone within the next 4 weeks.

The recent allegation regarding Tim Graham and his in-home pizza parties may become a bigger issue, and by bigger it will leave BOTN and fall onto both club boards and certain board members should they have yet started investigating this matter.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 12:27 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
ANY WORD ON KK AND SURF POSSIBLE MERGER? THAT SEEMS LIKE A MUCH BETTER OPTION THEN SB/GROVE?

Nothing yet, but I am of the opinion it will happen and we may get the word within the next 10 days. I also do not believe that two of the major training/coaching forces at Stony Brook will be gone within the next 4 weeks.

The recent allegation regarding Tim Graham and his in-home pizza parties may become a bigger issue, and by bigger it will leave BOTN and fall onto both club boards and certain board members should they have yet started investigating this matter.

If the kids really matter then a thorough investigation needs to be done and findings made public.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 12:27 PM
That is not true . That may be what’s published . But all the Lgn Trainers are on the board. That list is parents who probably don’t have to pay dues and in return shut there mouth .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 01:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is not true . That may be what’s published . But all the Lgn Trainers are on the board. That list is parents who probably don’t have to pay dues and in return shut there mouth .

Wait, are you saying the board which is meant to oversee all aspects of the club including training is made up of the trainers? That just can't be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 01:20 PM
I have heard Kurt told all his players he is leaving SB and going to Surf. Most players will follow him which will leave SB dead. Will LGN players go as well?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 01:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is not true . That may be what’s published . But all the Lgn Trainers are on the board. That list is parents who probably don’t have to pay dues and in return shut there mouth .

Wait, are you saying the board which is meant to oversee all aspects of the club including training is made up of the trainers? That just can't be.

Actually a number of clubs, especially small clubs, are effectively run by one or two people that also double as coaches/trainers for the club. Especially clubs that play in leagues other than LIJSL. People no longer want to volunteer their time to run clubs anymore like they used to.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 02:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is not true . That may be what’s published . But all the Lgn Trainers are on the board. That list is parents who probably don’t have to pay dues and in return shut there mouth .

Wait, are you saying the board which is meant to oversee all aspects of the club including training is made up of the trainers? That just can't be.

Actually a number of clubs, especially small clubs, are effectively run by one or two people that also double as coaches/trainers for the club. Especially clubs that play in leagues other than LIJSL. People no longer want to volunteer their time to run clubs anymore like they used to.

In this case I don't think they were talking about parent trainers but employees of the club.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 03:18 PM
KK def leaving, he told parents that he is out of SB and will be doing it on his own through Atletico
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 03:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is not true . That may be what’s published . But all the Lgn Trainers are on the board. That list is parents who probably don’t have to pay dues and in return shut there mouth .

Wait, are you saying the board which is meant to oversee all aspects of the club including training is made up of the trainers? That just can't be.

Actually a number of clubs, especially small clubs, are effectively run by one or two people that also double as coaches/trainers for the club. Especially clubs that play in leagues other than LIJSL. People no longer want to volunteer their time to run clubs anymore like they used to.

In this case I don't think they were talking about parent trainers but employees of the club.

It's all semantics. If the trainer(s) are in reality running the club does it really matter if their paycheck is signed directly by the club or not?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KK def leaving, he told parents that he is out of SB and will be doing it on his own through Atletico

Year after year after year, KK has gone down this road countless times
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 05:34 PM
Why is no one from LGN responding on this. where are all the TG supporters.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KK def leaving, he told parents that he is out of SB and will be doing it on his own through Atletico

Year after year after year, KK has gone down this road countless times

in this particular case KK is 100% correct to get the hell out of the mess that is surround Stony Brook...Underage pizza parities with the DOC at his apartment, the fact that KK is not part of the discussions, the fact that Tim Graham plans to try and take over all Atletico players, the Stony Brook Board, the LGN president now being alleged she and Tim Graham are more than friends causing her to be divorces, and the fact that LGN president is now using two different last names, Onek & Braverstock, I think would make anyone want to get out what is becoming a real soccer hell hole....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 06:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is not true . That may be what’s published . But all the Lgn Trainers are on the board. That list is parents who probably don’t have to pay dues and in return shut there mouth .

Wait, are you saying the board which is meant to oversee all aspects of the club including training is made up of the trainers? That just can't be.

Actually a number of clubs, especially small clubs, are effectively run by one or two people that also double as coaches/trainers for the club. Especially clubs that play in leagues other than LIJSL. People no longer want to volunteer their time to run clubs anymore like they used to.

In this case I don't think they were talking about parent trainers but employees of the club.

It's all semantics. If the trainer(s) are in reality running the club does it really matter if their paycheck is signed directly by the club or not?

Too be sitting on the board, Yes it does matter. How is that not a complete conflict of interest?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 07:13 PM
The merger between the two clubs is confusing to me but this could work
all i hear about is how tim graham is a great coach but lacks in other areas
lets see what happens, maybe stony brook is a good fit and compliments his weaknesses
knowing MN he will take the influx of girls and build a very successful girls program
Im interested to see who agrees with me
not saying im right
going out on a limb here especially since ive been critical of nash and other clubs over the years
Say what you want about him, he can coach
on top of mark you have somma, anatol and a few other reputable coaches
can tim graham build a successful boys program and culture. that is the question
cant have all these players without direction. i believe tim graham will help fill that void. im not huge fan but
every deserves the benefit of the doubt. i looked at the pros and cons and understand the cons but to get a
realistic view youy need to look at both sides
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 07:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The merger between the two clubs is confusing to me but this could work
all i hear about is how tim graham is a great coach but lacks in other areas
lets see what happens, maybe stony brook is a good fit and compliments his weaknesses
knowing MN he will take the influx of girls and build a very successful girls program
Im interested to see who agrees with me
not saying im right
going out on a limb here especially since ive been critical of nash and other clubs over the years
Say what you want about him, he can coach
on top of mark you have somma, anatol and a few other reputable coaches
can tim graham build a successful boys program and culture. that is the question
cant have all these players without direction. i believe tim graham will help fill that void. im not huge fan but
every deserves the benefit of the doubt. i looked at the pros and cons and understand the cons but to get a
realistic view youy need to look at both sides


I would ask you a simple question based on the high marks you rightfully attributed to the coaching prowess of Nash, Somma, and the others mention, and here is the question:

Do you really think that (1) any of those coaches you mention will be respected by Graham, and (2) do you really think those you mention will stay?

Tim Graham is incapable of building anything . Graham dos not possess the managerial skills to manage people. My money, and I am not gambler says what will be the end game is the club will be the LGN club with a new name and 90% of the current coaching staff will be elsewhere.

Parents committing to either LGN or Stony Brook for the Fall season will be kicking themselves in the ass...take that to the bank!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KK def leaving, he told parents that he is out of SB and will be doing it on his own through Atletico

Year after year after year, KK has gone down this road countless times

in this particular case KK is 100% correct to get the hell out of the mess that is surround Stony Brook...Underage pizza parities with the DOC at his apartment, the fact that KK is not part of the discussions, the fact that Tim Graham plans to try and take over all Atletico players, the Stony Brook Board, the LGN president now being alleged she and Tim Graham are more than friends causing her to be divorces, and the fact that LGN president is now using two different last names, Onek & Braverstock, I think would make anyone want to get out what is becoming a real soccer hell hole....

The Stony Brook board? AND?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 07:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The merger between the two clubs is confusing to me but this could work
all i hear about is how tim graham is a great coach but lacks in other areas
lets see what happens, maybe stony brook is a good fit and compliments his weaknesses
knowing MN he will take the influx of girls and build a very successful girls program
Im interested to see who agrees with me
not saying im right
going out on a limb here especially since ive been critical of nash and other clubs over the years
Say what you want about him, he can coach
on top of mark you have somma, anatol and a few other reputable coaches
can tim graham build a successful boys program and culture. that is the question
cant have all these players without direction. i believe tim graham will help fill that void. im not huge fan but
every deserves the benefit of the doubt. i looked at the pros and cons and understand the cons but to get a
realistic view youy need to look at both sides

Mark has had years to build a girls program, several of the age groups failing because he is not capable of a management position. He should stick with training.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
KK def leaving, he told parents that he is out of SB and will be doing it on his own through Atletico

Year after year after year, KK has gone down this road countless times

in this particular case KK is 100% correct to get the hell out of the mess that is surround Stony Brook...Underage pizza parities with the DOC at his apartment, the fact that KK is not part of the discussions, the fact that Tim Graham plans to try and take over all Atletico players, the Stony Brook Board, the LGN president now being alleged she and Tim Graham are more than friends causing her to be divorces, and the fact that LGN president is now using two different last names, Onek & Braverstock, I think would make anyone want to get out what is becoming a real soccer hell hole....

The Stony Brook board? AND?
...and current coaches, current trainers, and current players.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 07:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The merger between the two clubs is confusing to me but this could work
all i hear about is how tim graham is a great coach but lacks in other areas
lets see what happens, maybe stony brook is a good fit and compliments his weaknesses
knowing MN he will take the influx of girls and build a very successful girls program
Im interested to see who agrees with me
not saying im right
going out on a limb here especially since ive been critical of nash and other clubs over the years
Say what you want about him, he can coach
on top of mark you have somma, anatol and a few other reputable coaches
can tim graham build a successful boys program and culture. that is the question
cant have all these players without direction. i believe tim graham will help fill that void. im not huge fan but
every deserves the benefit of the doubt. i looked at the pros and cons and understand the cons but to get a
realistic view youy need to look at both sides

Mark has had years to build a girls program, several of the age groups failing because he is not capable of a management position. He should stick with training.

One can not build a program without numerous quality assets. What part of Stony Brook SC not being attractive to players and parents are you missing? If you are not missing it now, you will after this season and registrations begin for the Fall. BTW, what great 'program' has Tim Graham built?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The merger between the two clubs is confusing to me but this could work
all i hear about is how tim graham is a great coach but lacks in other areas
lets see what happens, maybe stony brook is a good fit and compliments his weaknesses
knowing MN he will take the influx of girls and build a very successful girls program
Im interested to see who agrees with me
not saying im right
going out on a limb here especially since ive been critical of nash and other clubs over the years
Say what you want about him, he can coach
on top of mark you have somma, anatol and a few other reputable coaches
can tim graham build a successful boys program and culture. that is the question
cant have all these players without direction. i believe tim graham will help fill that void. im not huge fan but
every deserves the benefit of the doubt. i looked at the pros and cons and understand the cons but to get a
realistic view youy need to look at both sides

Mark has had years to build a girls program, several of the age groups failing because he is not capable of a management position. He should stick with training.

One can not build a program without numerous quality assets. What part of Stony Brook SC not being attractive to players and parents are you missing? If you are not missing it now, you will after this season and registrations begin for the Fall. BTW, what great 'program' has Tim Graham built?

We are talking about the SB program that Mark hasn’t built after years of employment. Losing teams and players by the handful. Larry if your going to put the info out there then put it out there.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/14/21 08:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The merger between the two clubs is confusing to me but this could work
all i hear about is how tim graham is a great coach but lacks in other areas
lets see what happens, maybe stony brook is a good fit and compliments his weaknesses
knowing MN he will take the influx of girls and build a very successful girls program
Im interested to see who agrees with me
not saying im right
going out on a limb here especially since ive been critical of nash and other clubs over the years
Say what you want about him, he can coach
on top of mark you have somma, anatol and a few other reputable coaches
can tim graham build a successful boys program and culture. that is the question
cant have all these players without direction. i believe tim graham will help fill that void. im not huge fan but
every deserves the benefit of the doubt. i looked at the pros and cons and understand the cons but to get a
realistic view youy need to look at both sides

Mark has had years to build a girls program, several of the age groups failing because he is not capable of a management position. He should stick with training.

One can not build a program without numerous quality assets. What part of Stony Brook SC not being attractive to players and parents are you missing? If you are not missing it now, you will after this season and registrations begin for the Fall. BTW, what great 'program' has Tim Graham built?

We are talking about the SB program that Mark hasn’t built after years of employment. Losing teams and players by the handful. Larry if your going to put the info out there then put it out there.

Again, Stony Brook SC is a dead-end. Yes, players were leaving and they will continue to leave because you have a boar with a single mind which is their kid. Furthermore, this did not happen with Nash there and Pally as president. If Nash is terrible then why is 3/4 of the Suffolk soccer community and perhaps by my estimate 14% from Nassau has Nash and others on speed dial?

I can tell from your posts you are an insider trying dump the problem on Nash a very well liked coach, if not one of the best on the Island instead of the clubs' leaderships. My take on all this and it is from knowing more than you, that the issue with Graham is that he knows he not at all the coach or trainer that Nash, Kelley, Somma, the others are. What Tim Graham has been very successful at along with both club presidents is sending their coaches to other clubs.....

Now, since you know so much can you share with us the upcoming coach and trainer meetings and who is going to be speaking with who? I do cool

With all that said and your distaste for Mark you will be happy to hear that I'm 99% sure you have accomplished your goal of sending him packing. I wonder if the players who se mark as I and others do will be joining him?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 12:03 AM
They did it!! The fallout from this will be huge....


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Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 12:21 AM
His girlfriend Kim runs the show .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 02:13 AM
So when does Kurt announce he is joining Surf
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 06:00 AM
Kind of curious as to what happens to LGN's intramural program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 11:54 AM
SURF-LETICO will be announced soon...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 12:15 PM
LGN board members should be ashamed for selling out on their entire soccer community!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
LGN board members should be ashamed for selling out on their entire soccer community!!


All the current LGN board members have either older kids that are aging out, or are the training organization that is benefiting from this move. There is no one on the board that has a stake in keeping the club local long term. That's how decisions like this are made.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 01:10 PM
SURF-LETICO will strip both LGN and SB and they will have little left
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 01:11 PM
They never really had an intramural program . It’s always been bad . It’s still there but nothing to talk about
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 01:14 PM
What teams from Lgn or Stonybrook are very good if any ? What age groups boys and girls ? Will any teams benefit from this ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 01:42 PM
The President is sleeping with Sleaze Graham. She will do as she is told Sleaze Graham is also in charge of Rob and Linda Ward! Isn’t this just dandy! So many conflicts of interest going on.

KK and Surf will benefit greatly by this stupidity!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 02:44 PM
The lgn boys 2008-2010 boys teams are all very good all play d1 nycsl against every top academy in ny. The older lgn teams are ranked #1 and 2 in the nation
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 03:08 PM
You know I find it both disgusting and pathetic that a strong woman who happens to be in a board position for a club is so threatening to men. As a woman who is an executive in the corporate world....I see this often. I've been accused myself of "sleeping my way to the top" and having to endure the ridicule. The judgement for not having children until my career was settled. The rumors are hurtful, degrading and archaic. My daughter plays in this club and I am proud and grateful that there is a woman who is in an executive position modeling that women have a place in sports. I can't do that for her. I do my part in a different genre of the world.
Just because this woman happens to also be quite attractive that means she has to be "sleeping" with men who are in power? Would we be saying the same if she looked different? I doubt it. It is a disgusting world we live in. These are all speculative, jealous, inflammatory rumors from people who are unable to step into the modern world and see outside of the stereotypes without just objectifying women. I teach my sons to respect women. I guess most people on this site were never taught that.
Newsflash: Women are able to make decisions without men. Women are not controlled by men. Women are not "sleeping" with every man they talk to, collaborate with, interact with or work with. Single, married, widowed, divorced.....Women are intelligent, strong, independent and resilient. I'm sure this is wasted on here...on people who clearly just contribute to the problems and don't have the intelligence, insight or any class. So, I say, thank you to this President and to this DOC and this club for doing what you think is right and I am sorry you are being so grossly attacked.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 03:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You know I find it both disgusting and pathetic that a strong woman who happens to be in a board position for a club is so threatening to men. As a woman who is an executive in the corporate world....I see this often. I've been accused myself of "sleeping my way to the top" and having to endure the ridicule. The judgement for not having children until my career was settled. The rumors are hurtful, degrading and archaic. My daughter plays in this club and I am proud and grateful that there is a woman who is in an executive position modeling that women have a place in sports. I can't do that for her. I do my part in a different genre of the world.
Just because this woman happens to also be quite attractive that means she has to be "sleeping" with men who are in power? Would we be saying the same if she looked different? I doubt it. It is a disgusting world we live in. These are all speculative, jealous, inflammatory rumors from people who are unable to step into the modern world and see outside of the stereotypes without just objectifying women. I teach my sons to respect women. I guess most people on this site were never taught that.
Newsflash: Women are able to make decisions without men. Women are not controlled by men. Women are not "sleeping" with every man they talk to, collaborate with, interact with or work with. Single, married, widowed, divorced.....Women are intelligent, strong, independent and resilient. I'm sure this is wasted on here...on people who clearly just contribute to the problems and don't have the intelligence, insight or any class. So, I say, thank you to this President and to this DOC and this club for doing what you think is right and I am sorry you are being so grossly attacked.

idont think anyone said the club president was sleeping her to the top. i think it is that the president a woman is above the doc who is a man so your point seems more of ansider trying to make make that comment seem like it couldnt be true. it is a rumor and it seems to also be the opinion of a few who know these people or it isnt
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 03:22 PM
I think the focus should be focused on the pizza parties. I really dont care who is sleeping with whom but it does make for some chatting. Where there is smoke there is fire. Maybe I should raise the travel arrangements a few years back when the young female trainer that traveled with Tim, I'm told shared his motel bedroom with him. Tim, you remember her don't you? Her name began with the letter "D".
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 03:43 PM
Please, the implication is most certainly there. You've validated my point. It is a rumor and opinion that she is making decisions that are influenced because she is "sleeping" with someone. It is all part of the same historical problem of objectifying women. It is just too threatening for men and/or women to accept.
The term you choose is semantics. We all know what the references are.
I have no insider information...I speak from my own experience as well as from what I see. I have never seen her to be anything other than responsive, professional and intelligent.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 03:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please, the implication is most certainly there. You've validated my point. It is a rumor and opinion that she is making decisions that are influenced because she is "sleeping" with someone. It is all part of the same historical problem of objectifying women. It is just too threatening for men and/or women to accept.
The term you choose is semantics. We all know what the references are.
I have no insider information...I speak from my own experience as well as from what I see. I have never seen her to be anything other than responsive, professional and intelligent.


let's see...you say you have no insider information, yet a few words later you say that you have never seen her be anything other responsive, professional, and intelligent.

Me thinks you now have contradicted yourself and are not as objective as you say you are....let it go and stop trying to fix what you can't fix...and unlike you I have no dog in this fight...just reporting back what I know from multiple sources. Deal with it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
I think the focus should be focused on the pizza parties. I really dont care who is sleeping with whom but it does make for some chatting. Where there is smoke there is fire. Maybe I should raise the travel arrangements a few years back when the young female trainer that traveled with Tim, I'm told shared his motel bedroom with him. Tim, you remember her don't you? Her name began with the letter "D".
I believe I know this trainer as my oldest had her as trainer when we were with LG before it became LGN.

For the sake of confirmation I don't see this trainer listed on the LGN list of trainers with teams, and frankly she was a great trainer that I'd have no issues with using again. Only complaint was that Tim kept pushing her to push us for additional training so that he could bill. I don't want to put out too much info on her as it would be doxxing her, but if it's who I think it is it's a shame, as she's a good kid.

Also spoke to a parent of a current SB kid last night, and they got the email and I let them know to run like hell, and they suspect that they'll be over in Smithtown with us next year. They had no idea Kurt, or his crew were gone at the end of the Spring until I told them this would happen a few weeks back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 06:18 PM
Your mistake, your whole team is going to Surf wit hKurt, open your eyes and follow the wave
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 06:22 PM
RIDE THE WAVE! SURF-LETICO WHERE SB AND LGN PLAYERS LACE THEM UP.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 07:34 PM
Larry, can you find out when Surf tryouts will be up? I see East Meadow and Susa have announced, what are they waiting for???
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Larry, can you find out when Surf tryouts will be up? I see
East Meadow and Susa have announced, what are they waiting for???

I expect to try out a flyer from surf either later today or by tomorrow I know that they try out announcements are eminent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 09:21 PM
Smithtown? Go to Atletico. Best trainers. And they clearly aren’t in it for the $. Probably one of the only ones out there who truly care about the kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 09:32 PM
Typical that tryouts for next year are up for SUSA opening weekend of the spring season. They really only care about adding registrations. They should spend more time on developing quality players. Besides a nice facility what’s the reason a kid should play for them?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/15/21 09:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical that tryouts for next year are up for SUSA opening weekend of the spring season. They really only care about adding registrations. They should spend more time on developing quality players. Besides a nice facility what’s the reason a kid should play for them?


What other reason besides nice indoor and outdoor facilities? How about you start with boys and girls ECNL and work your way down? See, they are just like Stony Brook and LGN, arent they? smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/16/21 01:00 AM
This merge will help stability at both clubs for at least several years, and if the new DOC is as bad as you say he is he'll be gone in no time. I will miss Mark Nash when he leaves though, and I won't blame him for doing so.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/16/21 02:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This merge will help stability at both clubs for at least several years, and if the new DOC is as bad as you say he is he'll be gone in no time. I will miss Mark Nash when he leaves though, and I won't blame him for doing so.

Mark should be gone. Who wants to deal with the psycho board members who treat him like crap. I don’t understand why he stayed so long. D
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/16/21 02:57 AM
He stayed for a six-figure salary
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/16/21 03:18 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He stayed for a six-figure salary

How would you know what he earns?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/16/21 10:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This merge will help stability at both clubs for at least several years, and if the new DOC is as bad as you say he is he'll be gone in no time. I will miss Mark Nash when he leaves though, and I won't blame him for doing so.

Stability? I think you are dreaming. The club will be ripped apart by the lunatics running it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/16/21 11:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This merge will help stability at both clubs for at least several years, and if the new DOC is as bad as you say he is he'll be gone in no time. I will miss Mark Nash when he leaves though, and I won't blame him for doing so.

Shameful how his board have sold him out for someone like TG.its a huge loss if he leaves Stony Brook.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/16/21 11:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He stayed for a six-figure salary

How would you know what he earns?

Or if he is staying?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/16/21 12:29 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical that tryouts for next year are up for SUSA opening weekend of the spring season. They really only care about adding registrations. They should spend more time on developing quality players. Besides a nice facility what’s the reason a kid should play for them?


What other reason besides nice indoor and outdoor facilities? How about you start with boys and girls ECNL and work your way down? See, they are just like Stony Brook and LGN, arent they? smile

ECNL girls is good but Boys ECNL is weak. USYS NL is a better league. The top boys players are in MLS Next. With all of the players SUSA has on boys side even Newsday didn’t recognize many as top players on LI. And we didn’t even get into the poor coaching staff they have. After losing some TOP trainers after this year they will be an even worse staff. That is fact just go ask Musa and he will tell you their best coach is leaving. They lost a TOP coach last year and another couple leaving this year. Not a good trend as they only replace them with low level guys. Hopefully, they are making a push for Mark Nash they will need something.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/16/21 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical that tryouts for next year are up for SUSA opening weekend of the spring season. They really only care about adding registrations. They should spend more time on developing quality players. Besides a nice facility what’s the reason a kid should play for them?


What other reason besides nice indoor and outdoor facilities? How about you start with boys and girls ECNL and work your way down? See, they are just like Stony Brook and LGN, arent they? smile

ECNL girls is good but Boys ECNL is weak. USYS NL is a better league. The top boys players are in MLS Next. With all of the players SUSA has on boys side even Newsday didn’t recognize many as top players on LI. And we didn’t even get into the poor coaching staff they have. After losing some TOP trainers after this year they will be an even worse staff. That is fact just go ask Musa and he will tell you their best coach is leaving. They lost a TOP coach last year and another couple leaving this year. Not a good trend as they only replace them with low level guys. Hopefully, they are making a push for Mark Nash they will need something.

Let me help you here. First, Mark Nash is not talking to SUSA. I have checked. Now to ECNL boys where I expect there will be an adjustment made to the boys program on the Island and I'm not sure when that will be announced.

Your post is akin to piece of glass where we can all see through it. SUSA is a full time operation. No board members with their own kids' agenda as to why they are there. Some of the clubs that are in the area might want to consolidate and start practicing what they really are and that is a business if they plan to survive.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Stony Brook SC & Atletico FC Merge - 04/16/21 01:20 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Typical that tryouts for next year are up for SUSA opening weekend of the spring season. They really only care about adding registrations. They should spend more time on developing quality players. Besides a nice facility what’s the reason a kid should play for them?


What other reason besides nice indoor and outdoor facilities? How about you start with boys