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Posted By: Larry Miller The new MLS youth league - 05/14/20 12:21 AM
by Paul Kennedy

The youth soccer landscape on the boys side will not fundamentally change with today's announcement of the initial 95 members (https://bit.ly/3bvoyK2) of MLS's new youth development program.

The same structural issues of geography and travel and access remain for everyone.

Some clubs will want to play 10-month seasons; others will want to play just seven months and let their players play high school ball for the other three months.

The aspirations of MLS and USL clubs -- creating a pro pathway -- will still differ from those of the independent youth clubs -- primarily college-oriented.

The new MLS platform will look basically like the Development Academy did in its last season with the same age groups (with the possible addition of a U-16 division). MLS will likely tier its key age groups in some form.

All the details have not been sorted out, though, because MLS can't dictate them on their own. And it doesn't want to. 

Since U.S. Soccer closed the Development Academy on April 15, Todd Durbin, MLS's executive vice president of competition and player relations, has worked on getting the new league off the ground. That meant spending the last four weeks on Zoom calls with non-MLS clubs around the country, where he quickly realized MLS faced two challenges.

"One was the need to provide a level of specificity so that teams that wanted to join knew and understood what it was they were joining," Durbin said in an interview before the announcement. "What age groups? How many games? All of that. But what came to the surface almost immediately was a deep desire on behalf of everybody to make this culturally different than what had been in the past. And by that, I mean that people wanted not to be told what the platform is. They really wanted to participate and help build it and collaborate with it. There's a tremendous amount of expertise and innovative thought across everybody."

The challenge was setting basic terms without committing to too much.

"How do we, on the one hand, provide specificity?" he said. "Because if we do that, it doesn't sound like there's a lot of collaboration right? And if we just collaborate, collaborate, collaborate, we're not going to have any specificity."

Durbin said the MLS and non-MLS clubs quickly realized they were aligned on more issues than they weren't -- even the controversial ones -- and needed to continue the collaboration that got their new league off the ground in the first place.

"That meant we knew we were going to keep the same age groups and had rough ideas of what the competition structure was going to look like," he said. "But there was an overwhelming sense that this was a really good chance to pause and ask ourselves, What worked with the former Development Academy and what were the things that we'd like to improve on? That is the work we are going to very quickly turn to."

With play halted, those working on the MLS project have a little more time, but the reality is they are still trying to pull off launching a new league in a pandemic.

"It's going to be important for all of us to get the kids back and doing something," said Durbin.

That doesn't mean playing a full-blown schedule or traveling, but getting players and coaches safely together on a regular basis.

"That is one advantage that we have is on the MLS side," Durbin said. "We have a team and our team is our first team or USL team and our Academy kids. So when we're trying to solve this issue, we don't really differentiate. We've gotta get our players back."

And if MLS teams can get their academy teams up and running again, that can be a model for helping the non-MLS teams do it, too. The question will then be, who will these teams play?

Inevitably, some of the rules imposed by the Development Academy will have to be loosened, including the restrictions on outside competition.

"No, that's not us," said Durbin. "If what's best for players and their development is having them play locally, they're playing locally, especially now. We're not going to limited by the very constraints that we create. The government may be create that constraint. But if we find that the reason why we can't do things that are best for player development are because of constraints that are self-inflicted, we're not going to allow that to happen."
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 05/27/20 02:14 PM
Is the new league splitting U17 into separate U16 and U17 teams? Seemed to be getting mixed information depending upon where I look.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 05/28/20 02:40 AM
What new league ? They made a public relations move by announcing MLS is taking over the DA Boys program, but since then they have been calling every MLS youth academy asking them what they want and what should they do. MLS has been silent on any details. There is no plan.

MLS is not going to run any league or showcase events in the Fall. There is no way they can launch a national league in 1-2 months when they can't even figure out when the pro teams are going to play. For the MLS youth academies this is not a big deal. They will create some type of programming and figure things out. For the non MLS clubs that were part of the DA, they are in for a big surprise and a big revolt from their customers.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 05/28/20 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is the new league splitting U17 into separate U16 and U17 teams? Seemed to be getting mixed information depending upon where I look.
As a non-MLS club we were informed that the new league will be fielding U16 and U17 age groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 05/28/20 09:06 PM
Any word on if the kids will be allowed to play school ball if and when it happens?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 05/29/20 11:41 AM
Hopefully they remove the limit on substitutions - the "moments" concept was just terrible. While you can fault college soccer and the emphasis on physicality, allowing unlimited subs and re-entry would align this league with where most kids will top out as players. Frankly, the MLS clubs could run their subs like the pros (3 or maybe 5 per game), while non-MLS could run like college, and then their match-ups would be more competitive and allow the MLS kids to play under real stress.

(not endorsing the college substitution rules, but that's what we've got, so why do anything different when virtually none of those players is going pro anyway)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 05/29/20 01:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully they remove the limit on substitutions - the "moments" concept was just terrible. While you can fault college soccer and the emphasis on physicality, allowing unlimited subs and re-entry would align this league with where most kids will top out as players. Frankly, the MLS clubs could run their subs like the pros (3 or maybe 5 per game), while non-MLS could run like college, and then their match-ups would be more competitive and allow the MLS kids to play under real stress.

(not endorsing the college substitution rules, but that's what we've got, so why do anything different when virtually none of those players is going pro anyway)

I think this is not a bad idea at all. Given the MLS teams are somewhat comprised of players who they scout in league and their affiliates, there should be some effort to tilt slightly in favor of the nonMLS teams to make sure games stay competitive. Whether its 3 for MLS and unlimited for non MLS, or some other set up, it is a great idea in concept.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 05/29/20 02:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully they remove the limit on substitutions - the "moments" concept was just terrible. While you can fault college soccer and the emphasis on physicality, allowing unlimited subs and re-entry would align this league with where most kids will top out as players. Frankly, the MLS clubs could run their subs like the pros (3 or maybe 5 per game), while non-MLS could run like college, and then their match-ups would be more competitive and allow the MLS kids to play under real stress.

(not endorsing the college substitution rules, but that's what we've got, so why do anything different when virtually none of those players is going pro anyway)
I believe the new girl's academy league has already said they are moving to a less restrictive substitution policy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 05/31/20 01:21 AM
How about someone define it? The non-MLS clubs are already collecting fall money. Shouldn’t the consumer know what they are paying for? No one has any answers. The MLS should not only ask the club directors to collaborate, they should also ask the players and parents what they believe was wrong with the DA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 05/31/20 07:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully they remove the limit on substitutions - the "moments" concept was just terrible. While you can fault college soccer and the emphasis on physicality, allowing unlimited subs and re-entry would align this league with where most kids will top out as players. Frankly, the MLS clubs could run their subs like the pros (3 or maybe 5 per game), while non-MLS could run like college, and then their match-ups would be more competitive and allow the MLS kids to play under real stress.

(not endorsing the college substitution rules, but that's what we've got, so why do anything different when virtually none of those players is going pro anyway)

I think this is not a bad idea at all. Given the MLS teams are somewhat comprised of players who they scout in league and their affiliates, there should be some effort to tilt slightly in favor of the nonMLS teams to make sure games stay competitive. Whether its 3 for MLS and unlimited for non MLS, or some other set up, it is a great idea in concept.


Yes, totally agree. They should also look at non-MLS teams fielding 12 or 13 players. And the MLS teams should play one-touch if they go 5 goals up. And also time-outs need to be introduced. And designated penalty kickers. These are standard development tools the rest of the world has been using for decades.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/01/20 03:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully they remove the limit on substitutions - the "moments" concept was just terrible. While you can fault college soccer and the emphasis on physicality, allowing unlimited subs and re-entry would align this league with where most kids will top out as players. Frankly, the MLS clubs could run their subs like the pros (3 or maybe 5 per game), while non-MLS could run like college, and then their match-ups would be more competitive and allow the MLS kids to play under real stress.

(not endorsing the college substitution rules, but that's what we've got, so why do anything different when virtually none of those players is going pro anyway)

I think this is not a bad idea at all. Given the MLS teams are somewhat comprised of players who they scout in league and their affiliates, there should be some effort to tilt slightly in favor of the nonMLS teams to make sure games stay competitive. Whether its 3 for MLS and unlimited for non MLS, or some other set up, it is a great idea in concept.


Yes, totally agree. They should also look at non-MLS teams fielding 12 or 13 players. And the MLS teams should play one-touch if they go 5 goals up. And also time-outs need to be introduced. And designated penalty kickers. These are standard development tools the rest of the world has been using for decades.

They should have MLS sides play with 9 players and only 3 touches per possession.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/01/20 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully they remove the limit on substitutions - the "moments" concept was just terrible. While you can fault college soccer and the emphasis on physicality, allowing unlimited subs and re-entry would align this league with where most kids will top out as players. Frankly, the MLS clubs could run their subs like the pros (3 or maybe 5 per game), while non-MLS could run like college, and then their match-ups would be more competitive and allow the MLS kids to play under real stress.

(not endorsing the college substitution rules, but that's what we've got, so why do anything different when virtually none of those players is going pro anyway)

I think this is not a bad idea at all. Given the MLS teams are somewhat comprised of players who they scout in league and their affiliates, there should be some effort to tilt slightly in favor of the nonMLS teams to make sure games stay competitive. Whether its 3 for MLS and unlimited for non MLS, or some other set up, it is a great idea in concept.


Yes, totally agree. They should also look at non-MLS teams fielding 12 or 13 players. And the MLS teams should play one-touch if they go 5 goals up. And also time-outs need to be introduced. And designated penalty kickers. These are standard development tools the rest of the world has been using for decades.

They should have MLS sides play with 9 players and only 3 touches per possession.

Right this is all the natural progression of a reasonable discussion of how to structure games so that MLS sides are happy, MLS sides get what they need out of the league and we get all of the best players on field together. A small difference in sub maximums seems fairly reasonable. Perhaps it is situational, based on the score differential at a pre-set point in the game - ie if score is within two goals, they have the same sub rule. If the game is a wider margin in favor of the MLS team, the non MLS gets an extra 1-2 subs allowed, determined at 60th minute. Remember that many European academy leagues dont even keep score at the ages we are already forcing kids to fly for "showcase" events.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/01/20 08:33 PM
If there's such a disparity,why bother playing,just invite the better players to a tryout,and stop the nonsense
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/01/20 11:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Hopefully they remove the limit on substitutions - the "moments" concept was just terrible. While you can fault college soccer and the emphasis on physicality, allowing unlimited subs and re-entry would align this league with where most kids will top out as players. Frankly, the MLS clubs could run their subs like the pros (3 or maybe 5 per game), while non-MLS could run like college, and then their match-ups would be more competitive and allow the MLS kids to play under real stress.

(not endorsing the college substitution rules, but that's what we've got, so why do anything different when virtually none of those players is going pro anyway)

I think this is not a bad idea at all. Given the MLS teams are somewhat comprised of players who they scout in league and their affiliates, there should be some effort to tilt slightly in favor of the nonMLS teams to make sure games stay competitive. Whether its 3 for MLS and unlimited for non MLS, or some other set up, it is a great idea in concept.


Yes, totally agree. They should also look at non-MLS teams fielding 12 or 13 players. And the MLS teams should play one-touch if they go 5 goals up. And also time-outs need to be introduced. And designated penalty kickers. These are standard development tools the rest of the world has been using for decades.

They should have MLS sides play with 9 players and only 3 touches per possession.

Right this is all the natural progression of a reasonable discussion of how to structure games so that MLS sides are happy, MLS sides get what they need out of the league and we get all of the best players on field together. A small difference in sub maximums seems fairly reasonable. Perhaps it is situational, based on the score differential at a pre-set point in the game - ie if score is within two goals, they have the same sub rule. If the game is a wider margin in favor of the MLS team, the non MLS gets an extra 1-2 subs allowed, determined at 60th minute. Remember that many European academy leagues dont even keep score at the ages we are already forcing kids to fly for "showcase" events.

MLS teams should only be able to score headers and volleys. And their goals should be bigger. And if the games gets too one-sided they should swap 2 of their best players for 2 of our worst. I'm also thinking maybe we should have the game divided into quarters. And what about taking penalties from the halfway line? Now there's an idea...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/01/20 11:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A small difference in sub maximums seems fairly reasonable. Perhaps it is situational, based on the score differential at a pre-set point in the game


What language are you talking? This is kids soccer Billy Beane. Go back to your laboratory. You can come out when you can explain why the 82 Brazil team was so special.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/08/20 12:18 AM
I have been reading a lot about SUSA and their refund policy. What are the former Boys DA clubs like Met Oval, BWG and New York Soccer Club doing for their players. Their players missed the spring season and now they are out of the DA program.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/08/20 12:52 AM
I think that mls players should not use their feet,sounds fair to me,you guys are all nuts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/08/20 02:52 AM
Nobody is fooling anyone,fools,just enjoy playing,and do well in school,and then get a job and continue playing for the enjoyment,stop this mls b.s.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/08/20 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I have been reading a lot about SUSA and their refund policy. What are the former Boys DA clubs like Met Oval, BWG and New York Soccer Club doing for their players. Their players missed the spring season and now they are out of the DA program.

They are collecting money for the fall.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/08/20 09:27 PM
How are these clubs dealing with the spring ? Are they giving credits ? refunds ? or nothing ? Would like to hear more about these elite Boys DA clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/09/20 02:25 PM
They’re giving nothing.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/09/20 02:36 PM
The MLS is struggling to pay players. How are they going to run a legitimate development league? My prediction is that the extent of their involvement will be to replace the DA badge with their own on the kids’ jerseys, and on club websites, so that clubs can market that they participate in the most elite league in the country. But that will be the extent of it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/11/20 06:14 PM
I see the outrage on the girls side with SUSA. Surprised to see no comments on these high profile Boys DA clubs giving no refunds or credits.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/11/20 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I see the outrage on the girls side with SUSA. Surprised to see no comments on these high profile Boys DA clubs giving no refunds or credits.

No one gave $$$$$refunds...No one, not LIJSL, not EDP, not NYCSL, NO ONE. I'm in the wrong business......
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/12/20 06:58 AM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I see the outrage on the girls side with SUSA. Surprised to see no comments on these high profile Boys DA clubs giving no refunds or credits.

No one gave $$$$$refunds...No one, not LIJSL, not EDP, not NYCSL, NO ONE. I'm in the wrong business......

CJSL Did
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/12/20 08:49 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I see the outrage on the girls side with SUSA. Surprised to see no comments on these high profile Boys DA clubs giving no refunds or credits.

No one gave $$$$$refunds...No one, not LIJSL, not EDP, not NYCSL, NO ONE. I'm in the wrong business......

CJSL Did

If they did then kudos to them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/12/20 11:51 AM
It’s a pay to play environment at the non mls organizations. Why would they give u your $ back. Most of the kids at BWG and similar clubs are there because of the parents bank account
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/12/20 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s a pay to play environment at the non mls organizations. Why would they give u your $ back. Most of the kids at BWG and similar clubs are there because of the parents bank account
sounds like Johnny didn’t make the team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/17/20 12:59 PM
Actually my kid plays at a mls academy for free. Just tire of playing the lower level teams like bwg
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/18/20 10:52 AM
I heard that some mls teams will not have a u19 this fall. Does anyone know if that’s true?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/20/20 01:37 AM
That is accurate. MLS teams don’t want u18/19 teams. By u17 they know which kids can go pro.. They want to replace that age group with USL team (second MLS team). This is why it’s been totally silent since DA ended and MLS said they are taking over league. MLS never wanted to run a youth league and felt political pressure to make that announcement. Eventually MLS will run a league for MLS clubs. The other clubs will be kicked to the curb.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/24/20 02:36 PM
MLS will soon announce the new DA program they are running will be up to U17 with two tiers. There will be MLS first division and non MLS second division with limited to no crossover games. MLS also getting rid of U18/19. After U17 they want the pathway to go to USL U23 team. For MLS its a waste of time and money to run a U18/19 team for college showcase instead of a professional USL team for future potential pro players. It also makes no sense to run a league with U18/19 since MLS also not running any showcase events, which makes sense since this was the most expensive part of the old DA program and MLS is not funding showcase events for non MLS clubs to place their players in college.

For the MLS they are setting this up the way they wanted with the DA for several years. For the non MLS clubs, welcome to the glorified EDP league. Elite price tags for players to play in second division with no college showcase events. If you thought MLS was coming to the rescue think again. MLS is a business and non MLS clubs do not fit into their business model.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/25/20 12:59 AM
So what happens to the u19’s. The mls clubs have not said anything and it’s almost the end of June. That’s ridiculous and totally unprofessional
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/25/20 01:26 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what happens to the u19’s. The mls clubs have not said anything and it’s almost the end of June. That’s ridiculous and totally unprofessional

The initial releases said that there would be no U19 except for maybe some limited local play in some regions. They were quite upfront about U19 not being their target.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/25/20 11:32 AM
Really they sent a response stating that there would be no u19. I guess I missed it, also we were told that there would be a u19.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/25/20 01:25 PM
You have to remember, when MLS sent out a press release saying they would come to the rescue after DA folded they did that with no feedback or input from the MLS clubs. After that release, the MLS clubs have made their expectations clear to the league office and the MLS directors are not worried about what the non MLS clubs want. Much has changed since that press release went out and the non MLS clubs will be in for a surprise.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/25/20 03:57 PM
What about the mls teams that have not told the kids there would be no u19. They have not made it clear to the players
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/25/20 05:52 PM
Call your club and ask them to share with you the MLS email they received detailing how the upcoming Fall 2020 season will be structured. See what you get back. Its July 1 and MLS has not put anything in writing to the clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/25/20 08:17 PM
Who cares soccer in America no good
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/25/20 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares soccer in America no good
Just womens soccer is good. Rapinoe for VP!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/27/20 03:02 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have to remember, when MLS sent out a press release saying they would come to the rescue after DA folded they did that with no feedback or input from the MLS clubs. After that release, the MLS clubs have made their expectations clear to the league office and the MLS directors are not worried about what the non MLS clubs want. Much has changed since that press release went out and the non MLS clubs will be in for a surprise.


I think this post is on the money and very important. MLS clubs don't care about non-MLS clubs.

Even if they did, most MLS clubs barely have the resources to take care of themselves, let alone think about other clubs or the good of the game.

This article on Minnesota United's academy blew my mind:
https://www.startribune.com/minneso...f-reduced-new-plan-envisioned/571515712/
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/27/20 04:06 AM
So HS allowed or not?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/27/20 04:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So HS allowed or not?


No. Any player found representing their school will face a 2-5 year prison sentence. And will automatically forfeit their eligibility to represent their country on release. Parents of said child will undergo community re-programming.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/27/20 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So HS allowed or not?


No. Any player found representing their school will face a 2-5 year prison sentence. And will automatically forfeit their eligibility to represent their country on release. Parents of said child will undergo community re-programming.

The re-programming has been underway for sometime in the universities. Now excuse me while I go to my safe space bc I’m offended by the privilege of your last post.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/27/20 11:14 PM
Shame on those mls teams for nit being honest with the u19’s if they have no plans for them
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/28/20 12:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually my kid plays at a mls academy for free. Just tire of playing the lower level teams like bwg

Your sour grapes for BWG is showing. Wreaks of contempt of the insecure. I haven’t seen a single MLS dev player from NYCFC or NYRB that is head-and-shoulders above the non-MLS. And these boys are changing from year-to-year - so watch for roster churn if they ever truly get back to it.

The smug BS is hysterical. Look in the mirror. You’re fat and balding and you weren’t a pro, or a college player, or even a decent neighborhood athlete - and your kid will most likely be like you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/28/20 07:04 PM
You have at seen a better player from nycfc or Red Bull’s? That’s because you r stuck at BWG. They have many players who r much better. Nycfc tied BWG with kids 2 years younger for crying out loud. Take your head out of the sand
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/28/20 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You have at seen a better player from nycfc or Red Bull’s? That’s because you r stuck at BWG. They have many players who r much better. Nycfc tied BWG with kids 2 years younger for crying out loud. Take your head out of the sand

Nope, another non-MLS DA club. NYCFC offer but too far away - so said no thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/29/20 01:17 AM
At least you’re able to buy your kids playing time. How much r u shelling out
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/29/20 11:50 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
At least you’re able to buy your kids playing time. How much r u shelling out

I’ve heard that MLS dev will transition to pay model.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/29/20 12:13 PM
“Unfortunately right now, without any revenue from our local games and without knowing when MLS will get this vision up and running, we had to furlough and let some people go,” Lagos said.

With no fans and n attendance at MLS matches and a tv contract that is tiny. Where is the money for MLS academy teams? They are literally trying to keep the lights on. I think the new MLS academy has little chance of happening until fall 2021.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 06/30/20 10:02 PM
Things can not be going well with the new MLS league. They just invited clubs to submit an application to join this replacement league for the Boys DA and the league has not disclosed any details and its supposed to start in two months ! The press release just came out today. And the best part is they strongly encourage clubs to submit their application in 3 days before July 4. I will make the prediction now. There will be no MLS youth league in the fall and MLS youth academies will just do their own thing. This league will start in 2021 at the earliest and there is a good chance this is blowing up behind the scenes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/01/20 03:46 AM
schedule has been sent out to the DOC. season starts on 9/12-13. they are looking at 30-40 games per team for the season. some weekends will be 2 games. also looks like all mls teams will be fielding a u19 team...if not 80% will (nycfc, red bull, ne rev, montreal, dc utd will have one - not sure about philly)

more to come
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/01/20 03:00 PM
This sounds very positive if it's true.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/01/20 04:30 PM
How was a schedule sent out if they are still accepting applications for new members?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/01/20 07:13 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How was a schedule sent out if they are still accepting applications for new members?

That is for next Fall.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/01/20 11:11 PM
That makes no sense. If applications are for 2021 then why tell people they are due back by July 4 ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/01/20 11:41 PM
Well this is not good news for the new MLS league

RICHMOND, VA – The ECNL Boys will welcome MLS program Atlanta United Academy into the league for the 2020-2021 season, where the club will participate in the newly revamped Southeast Conference.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/02/20 12:39 AM
They are joining for the younger age groups so there is no travel, the u15s and up are in the MLS league. No need for the younger kids to have the level of travel required for the older age groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/02/20 01:31 AM
ECNL does not allow some age groups. Clubs have to field a team in each age group
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/02/20 11:41 AM
Well in this case they made an exception, u15 and u17 are playing in the MLS youth league not ECNL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/02/20 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Well in this case they made an exception, u15 and u17 are playing in the MLS youth league not ECNL

Will nycfc and red bulls younger ages also play ECNL?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/02/20 06:02 PM
No - they will play the old DA teams from the NE and mid Atlantic conferences. The only reason Atlanta United joined ECNL at the younger ages groups is b/c Concorde Fire and United Futbol Club went to ECNL instead of the MLS youth league. Without those two teams, the club thinks it is too much travel for the u14 and younger age groups and they are spot on. In our area, there are enough teams within driving distance to give the MLS clubs a decent game. The NE ECNL teams can not hold a candle to the old DA teams - do not know about the mid Atlantic ECNL teams.
Posted By: Coach_Sanchez Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/03/20 10:23 PM
Refund or credit?

Be careful registering your teams with them, as they have league rules with prejudice to clubs with less than 3 teams. They have long practiced these rules to alienate smaller clubs, which goes against US Youth Soccer and US Soccer guidelines to never turn a team away from participation.

ENYYSA rules reflect these policies enabling their leagues to practice these rules for for-profit clubs, despite operating as a non-profit organization.
This is one of the reasons I had to leave CJSL, as they perpetuated illegal rules of discrimination, and blatantly spells this out in their sign up forms.
Be very careful teams coming in from the New York Club Soccer League, which also copied the same rules for their membership.

Aldo, the question must be asked, do these teams wish to go from US Club Soccer to US Youth Soccer? Did any of these teams have a say in switching over?

Learn all about the leadership of the leagues you sign up for.
Have they completed background checks regularly, if at all?

The US Soccer Federation has ordered the focus of each league to inform their members the importance of staying local. This means that Leagues must find competition for their membership WITHIN THEIR SAME STATE TO LIMIT TRAVEL with the precautions of their State Government recommendations.

This means No Competitive leagues, only limited practice sessions in July 6 - August, and by end of August, teams are limited to a One-Day tournament LOCALLY WITHIN THE SAME STATE.

The issue is that the State has closed parks to organized leagues throughout the end of the summer, so no large gatherings are permitted.
Secondly, Universities are suspending their Fall Mens and Women's Soccer seasons, and High Schools also looking to close student athletic competition.
If the State closes parks for the Fall season, it will inevitably force leagues to cancel their Dall seasons.

Right now, you have EDP Soccer, ENYYSA leagues(CJSL, LIJSL), all collecting registrations for the Fall.

Is this the type of league you want to join, that would allow you to be putting your youth at risk of the COV-19 virus, and spread to those most vulnerable?
It is should not be about running around in a rush to play, but demonstrating real leadership to keep each other safe.

The country in over 32 states have seen a spike of infections in their cities and towns.

Why contribute to this irresponsible behavior?

If you are not sure about your league, ask questions, get answers.

If you are not sure, trust your instincts, otherwise you'll end up in a situation of saying "I've registered with this league, they have my money, and I have to play the full year with them." See who is actually is going to be there for you.

Remember the US Soccer Guidelines, no league play until State Government permits, and when opening, safe practices must be utilized.

Any league that issued credit, and are trying to start up their leagues too soon, clearly doesn't want to refund you in 2020.

Do these leagues have your safety and interests as their first priority?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/06/20 04:07 AM
What’s the deal with the NY Cosmos DA? Heard they have players trying out everywhere else while they determine if they are folding, joining MLS through some Cali team, going EDP, etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/06/20 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
schedule has been sent out to the DOC. season starts on 9/12-13. they are looking at 30-40 games per team for the season. some weekends will be 2 games. also looks like all mls teams will be fielding a u19 team...if not 80% will (nycfc, red bull, ne rev, montreal, dc utd will have one - not sure about philly)

more to come

30-40 games in a year would be a lot of games a regular league season is 7-9 games there’s zero chance this post is accurate
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/06/20 02:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
schedule has been sent out to the DOC. season starts on 9/12-13. they are looking at 30-40 games per team for the season. some weekends will be 2 games. also looks like all mls teams will be fielding a u19 team...if not 80% will (nycfc, red bull, ne rev, montreal, dc utd will have one - not sure about philly)

more to come

30-40 games in a year would be a lot of games a regular league season is 7-9 games there’s zero chance this post is accurate
A typical [****] and bull story concocted by some crazy dad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/06/20 06:58 PM
100% chance the post is 100% accurate - we were told that same number on our conference call with my son's DOC. There will be some mid-week games, champions league style, but the schedule is based on what the youth academies in Europe play. My son's team would have played a minimum of 27 games this year if COVID did not shut everything down so it is not a huge increase in games overall.

Trying to compare the MLS/old DA league to some abortion of a conference with 7-9 league games is a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/07/20 02:24 AM
It will be a very competitive league. But will all DA teams be invited?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/07/20 09:43 AM
before insulting think before you speak....lets look at your scenario and do the math... 10 team div...you play 9 games int fall and 9 games in the spring = 18 league games. throw in min 3 tournaments which could equal about 9 games we are now at 27 games and lets throw in 3 games now equals 30 games. and maybe you scrimmage a few teams you could end up playing 30 - 35 games. this would be for a competitive travel team. so the post is not far off
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/07/20 02:29 PM
If you want to add in scrimmages and preseason friendlies then add around 10 games to the 27. Comparing 18 league games from some crappy LIJSL or EDP league to the MLS/Old DA league is a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/07/20 03:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you want to add in scrimmages and preseason friendlies then add around 10 games to the 27. Comparing 18 league games from some crappy LIJSL or EDP league to the MLS/Old DA league is a joke.

MLS and the DA were a joke. No development. Barca has better trainers and players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/07/20 04:41 PM
What are you smoking, Barca is a disorganized mess with average players at best.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/08/20 12:20 AM
I still see no evidence whatsoever that MLS is running a youth league next season. If you look at the home page of the MLS website they have a button for eMLS but nothing for Youth Academy. If I was a non MLS club I would very nervous. Who has proof this new DA replacement league is real.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/08/20 03:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are you smoking, Barca is a disorganized mess with average players at best.

Go watch 06 pro.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/08/20 03:52 AM
They won’t take a club that is going out of business. Barca will not be around very soon. MLS league needs clubs that will be around. Not fly by nights.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/08/20 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What are you smoking, Barca is a disorganized mess with average players at best.
Go watch 06 pro.

Ok where do they train and play?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/08/20 12:22 PM
Barca is considered a joke by the MLS academy teams. The few good players that have come thru quickly get picked off and go to NYCFC and are not stand outs there. I'm not that familiar with the Barca teams but since you highlighted the 06 team, should they play a team of high quality like NYCFC or Red Bulls, it would likely be a blowout of double digit proportion and that is considered a fact by all
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/08/20 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Barca is considered a joke by the MLS academy teams. The few good players that have come thru quickly get picked off and go to NYCFC and are not stand outs there. I'm not that familiar with the Barca teams but since you highlighted the 06 team, should they play a team of high quality like NYCFC or Red Bulls, it would likely be a blowout of double digit proportion and that is considered a fact by all

If YOU are not familiar with a team or club, why say anything- You just sound ignorant- Most of us have knowledge that Barca NY Pro teams at most ages have beaten most of the "Former DA" teams in the area including Connecticut. In fact, some of them were beaten multiple times. The Truth is- Barca NY Pro teams can match up to ANY NON-MLS league team out there. AND as we have seen over the last 2-3 years, MOST of those "Former DA" teams have also been beaten badly by the Red Bull's and NYCFC- AS IT SHOULD BE- If that weren't the case- the MLS academies would be a collossal failure more than they have been already.

Good Luck to all the teams out there. Stay Safe
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/08/20 01:09 PM
what Barca Pro teams at which age groups have beaten DA teams? see the link below where the 2005 team could not beat the FC Westchester 2005 team which is by far the worst DA team in the area - their record 1 win 6 losses and 1 tie from fall 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-YXT7S17UE
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/08/20 01:18 PM
Barca Pro teams have picked up many quality players who have helped some teams stay competitive but have not developed them. Facts! But like previous poster said they then leave,
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/16/20 09:06 PM
Any update on this new league. All of the leagues are sharing information but it seems this league is not going to operating in 2020/21.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/17/20 12:57 PM
The league starts in September with a planned kick-off weekend on September 19th. My sons club has been in communication with MLS on an ongoing basis since the announcement . We just had a team meeting with all the age groups that will be part of this league for his club. While all the details are still in the works the coaches are already getting preliminary schedules and information around 30 games plus showcases. In addition for Florida they have teamed up with USYS and created an academy 2 league that involves most of the Non-Florida MLS clubs to act as the secondary league . https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/6/sunshine_academy_brochure_-_mls_6-19.pdf
Being told that since its a mid September start they will release all the final details by mid August however the clubs involved are still meeting and receiving information.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/19/20 01:21 PM
Is it true that there will be Tier 1(mls teams) and Tier 2( non mls teams) ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/20/20 01:19 PM
We were told no tiers just one league, however as mentioned above several "Tier 2" leagues have been created but these are for 2nd team and reserve players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/24/20 07:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The league starts in September with a planned kick-off weekend on September 19th. My sons club has been in communication with MLS on an ongoing basis since the announcement . We just had a team meeting with all the age groups that will be part of this league for his club. While all the details are still in the works the coaches are already getting preliminary schedules and information around 30 games plus showcases. In addition for Florida they have teamed up with USYS and created an academy 2 league that involves most of the Non-Florida MLS clubs to act as the secondary league . https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/6/sunshine_academy_brochure_-_mls_6-19.pdf
Being told that since its a mid September start they will release all the final details by mid August however the clubs involved are still meeting and receiving information.

So this league seems to be forbidding HS play as well?

If you think about it, it's to the financial benefit of all the clubs to let them charge for a full year, so assuming that money talks and what's best for the 99.9% of the boys who will never play in MLS doesn't really matter, it was naive of me to think otherwise.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/24/20 08:34 PM
Majority of the kids playing in the MLS league don’t want to play in a mediocre HS Team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/24/20 08:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The league starts in September with a planned kick-off weekend on September 19th. My sons club has been in communication with MLS on an ongoing basis since the announcement . We just had a team meeting with all the age groups that will be part of this league for his club. While all the details are still in the works the coaches are already getting preliminary schedules and information around 30 games plus showcases. In addition for Florida they have teamed up with USYS and created an academy 2 league that involves most of the Non-Florida MLS clubs to act as the secondary league . https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/6/sunshine_academy_brochure_-_mls_6-19.pdf
Being told that since its a mid September start they will release all the final details by mid August however the clubs involved are still meeting and receiving information.

So this league seems to be forbidding HS play as well?

If you think about it, it's to the financial benefit of all the clubs to let them charge for a full year, so assuming that money talks and what's best for the 99.9% of the boys who will never play in MLS doesn't really matter, it was naive of me to think otherwise.

I think it should not be dictated by the league but should be left to the discretion of the academy coaches.
But HS is not a really competitive soccer, for anyone who is good enough to be on MLS academy - it's a distraction and waste of time
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/24/20 09:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The league starts in September with a planned kick-off weekend on September 19th. My sons club has been in communication with MLS on an ongoing basis since the announcement . We just had a team meeting with all the age groups that will be part of this league for his club. While all the details are still in the works the coaches are already getting preliminary schedules and information around 30 games plus showcases. In addition for Florida they have teamed up with USYS and created an academy 2 league that involves most of the Non-Florida MLS clubs to act as the secondary league . https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/6/sunshine_academy_brochure_-_mls_6-19.pdf
Being told that since its a mid September start they will release all the final details by mid August however the clubs involved are still meeting and receiving information.

So this league seems to be forbidding HS play as well?

If you think about it, it's to the financial benefit of all the clubs to let them charge for a full year, so assuming that money talks and what's best for the 99.9% of the boys who will never play in MLS doesn't really matter, it was naive of me to think otherwise.

I think it should not be dictated by the league but should be left to the discretion of the academy coaches.
But HS is not a really competitive soccer, for anyone who is good enough to be on MLS academy - it's a distraction and waste of time

Well, what about the 80% of the kids on the MLS Academy teams and the 99% of the kids on the non-MLS teams that have no chance whatsoever of playing professionally and would benefit from and enjoy the social aspects of playing for their schools?

It was like when they changed to birth year so they could be aligned with the rest of the world for the 0.0001% of the kids for which that made a difference.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/24/20 10:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The league starts in September with a planned kick-off weekend on September 19th. My sons club has been in communication with MLS on an ongoing basis since the announcement . We just had a team meeting with all the age groups that will be part of this league for his club. While all the details are still in the works the coaches are already getting preliminary schedules and information around 30 games plus showcases. In addition for Florida they have teamed up with USYS and created an academy 2 league that involves most of the Non-Florida MLS clubs to act as the secondary league . https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/6/sunshine_academy_brochure_-_mls_6-19.pdf
Being told that since its a mid September start they will release all the final details by mid August however the clubs involved are still meeting and receiving information.

So this league seems to be forbidding HS play as well?

If you think about it, it's to the financial benefit of all the clubs to let them charge for a full year, so assuming that money talks and what's best for the 99.9% of the boys who will never play in MLS doesn't really matter, it was naive of me to think otherwise.

I think it should not be dictated by the league but should be left to the discretion of the academy coaches.
But HS is not a really competitive soccer, for anyone who is good enough to be on MLS academy - it's a distraction and waste of time

Well, what about the 80% of the kids on the MLS Academy teams and the 99% of the kids on the non-MLS teams that have no chance whatsoever of playing professionally and would benefit from and enjoy the social aspects of playing for their schools?

It was like when they changed to birth year so they could be aligned with the rest of the world for the 0.0001% of the kids for which that made a difference.



Be realistic. It's probably more like 95% of the kids in MLS academies will not go pro, and 99.999% of the kids on non-MLS teams will not go pro. Now when you've done the math, and maybe accepted playing for an ex non-MLS club isn't the pathway to stardom you were told, and your boy isn't going to make it, would you really want to stop him playing for his high school? Think about it for a second. It's all over so quickly.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/25/20 02:17 AM
No one is stopping these kids from doing anything, its a choice they all make. Play competitive club soccer or waste their fall season on some joke high school team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/25/20 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The league starts in September with a planned kick-off weekend on September 19th. My sons club has been in communication with MLS on an ongoing basis since the announcement . We just had a team meeting with all the age groups that will be part of this league for his club. While all the details are still in the works the coaches are already getting preliminary schedules and information around 30 games plus showcases. In addition for Florida they have teamed up with USYS and created an academy 2 league that involves most of the Non-Florida MLS clubs to act as the secondary league . https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/6/sunshine_academy_brochure_-_mls_6-19.pdf
Being told that since its a mid September start they will release all the final details by mid August however the clubs involved are still meeting and receiving information.

So this league seems to be forbidding HS play as well?

If you think about it, it's to the financial benefit of all the clubs to let them charge for a full year, so assuming that money talks and what's best for the 99.9% of the boys who will never play in MLS doesn't really matter, it was naive of me to think otherwise.

I think it should not be dictated by the league but should be left to the discretion of the academy coaches.
But HS is not a really competitive soccer, for anyone who is good enough to be on MLS academy - it's a distraction and waste of time

Well, what about the 80% of the kids on the MLS Academy teams and the 99% of the kids on the non-MLS teams that have no chance whatsoever of playing professionally and would benefit from and enjoy the social aspects of playing for their schools?

It was like when they changed to birth year so they could be aligned with the rest of the world for the 0.0001% of the kids for which that made a difference.



Be realistic. It's probably more like 95% of the kids in MLS academies will not go pro, and 99.999% of the kids on non-MLS teams will not go pro. Now when you've done the math, and maybe accepted playing for an ex non-MLS club isn't the pathway to stardom you were told, and your boy isn't going to make it, would you really want to stop him playing for his high school? Think about it for a second. It's all over so quickly.

Again, I don't think it should be restricted by the league - it should be either club policy (say for MLS teams) or up to a coach.

But If I am a coach running a competitive team at the highest youth level and I design my 10 month training / competition program I would not want half my team take 8-10 weeks off while I have to work with the other half - it would be detrimental to the whole process - I would ask for a complete commitment. But everyone's circumstances different and there is always room for exceptions.

It's not always about going pro - Div1 college can be aspiration for many.
There are plenty of Olympic sports in the US without any pro path whatsoever but with a lot of seriously committed kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/28/20 02:26 PM
Bad sign that the MLS hasn’t released any info since their opening statement. They can’t even get their 1st teams playing. Not hopeful.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/28/20 04:28 PM
I can tell you the MLS youth league is a no go for the Fall season. MLS academies are working up their own plans and some are in discussions with the ECNL program. This has nothing to do with soccer. USSF dropped the DA because it was too expensive to run and MLS is now discovering there is little economic value for them to pick it up and pay the bills when their clubs can play in ECNL or other local leagues. At least during this pandemic, there is no reason to invent a new national league they can't afford.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/28/20 05:36 PM
US soccer sucks, youth, semi pro, pro. Should have given them a tennis racket.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/28/20 05:43 PM
There is so much wrong and inaccurate in this post, I do not even know where to begin. Name one MLS academy other than Atlanta United which is putting their younger age groups in ECNL to avoid travel, that is in discussions with ECNL. NYRB and NYCFC certainly are not.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/28/20 10:50 PM
Sit back and watch. Every single league has been out in force sharing information about the upcoming season and sharing information with the soccer community. MLS has been totally silent. They don't even have a section on their website dedicated to this new youth league. Hardly the picture of organization and preparedness for a Fall season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/29/20 12:40 AM
The MLS is a sham on the public. They said on ESPN how NYC FC created the kid from Lake Grove. All Bulls..t these MLS take kids that were created elsewhere and then act like their academy teams are a success.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/29/20 01:54 AM
The NYCFC kid was actually developed by Sachem. They hang their hat on that kid. Although the only pic of him in a Sachem uniform is from him at 6yo.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/29/20 03:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The NYCFC kid was actually developed by Sachem. They hang their hat on that kid. Although the only pic of him in a Sachem uniform is from him at 6yo.

So no development occurred from 13 to 17? Guess KK can also lay claim to development if sachem can.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/29/20 12:19 PM
Who cares who can lay claim to him, the point is the MLS academies are [****].
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/29/20 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sit back and watch. Every single league has been out in force sharing information about the upcoming season and sharing information with the soccer community. MLS has been totally silent. They don't even have a section on their website dedicated to this new youth league. Hardly the picture of organization and preparedness for a Fall season.


That's because MLS know there is a 99% chance there will be no soccer this fall. Whatever your local ex-DA clubs is telling you about the upcoming season is garbage. They just want your $.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/29/20 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The NYCFC kid was actually developed by Sachem. They hang their hat on that kid. Although the only pic of him in a Sachem uniform is from him at 6yo.
Yeah, he's making so much $$$$. Hardly a success story. MLS clubs still recruit and pay more for International Latin players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/29/20 05:54 PM
Mls teams don’t develope anyone. They just pick the hottest kids at the moment and then either the kid excels on his own or they get thrown to the curb. It also helps if u know the right people.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/29/20 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The NYCFC kid was actually developed by Sachem. They hang their hat on that kid. Although the only pic of him in a Sachem uniform is from him at 6yo.
Yeah, he's making so much $$$$. Hardly a success story. MLS clubs still recruit and pay more for International Latin players.

Indeed, this is a reality that the majority of US Youth Soccer families fail to see. These "homegrowns" will never be as successful as the International talent. There are to many flaws with US Soccer that won't change.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/29/20 07:32 PM
NYCFC also claim to have "created" Giovanni Reyna but he was an NYSC player for years before that and bolted from nycfc, his father's club, as soon as he could.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 07/29/20 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC also claim to have "created" Giovanni Reyna but he was an NYSC player for years before that and bolted from nycfc, his father's club, as soon as he could.

I would like you to link to a single article or video where anyone associated with NYCFC claimed to have created, discovered or made Gio Reyna.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/01/20 05:50 PM
WC and MSC offered $500 credits to players who signed on to return in the Fall
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/01/20 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mls teams don’t develope anyone. They just pick the hottest kids at the moment and then either the kid excels on his own or they get thrown to the curb. It also helps if u know the right people.


Can we put this fact in a email and send it out to everybody? The most factual post in BOTN history.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/02/20 12:26 PM
Does anybody know if NYCFC or the Red Bull’s Academy are back to practice yet?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/02/20 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if NYCFC or the Red Bull’s Academy are back to practice yet?

A friend of mine with a UEFA A license told me a lot of MLS academy coaches across the country are currently furloughed. I do not know if that includes the red bulls and NYC FC. If somebody know if they’re practicing please let us know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/02/20 07:54 PM
I have a lot more facts about mls academies. Truly amazing what goes on there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/02/20 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if NYCFC or the Red Bull’s Academy are back to practice yet?

A friend of mine with a UEFA A license told me a lot of MLS academy coaches across the country are currently furloughed. I do not know if that includes the red bulls and NYC FC. If somebody know if they’re practicing please let us know.

Your UEFA A licensed friend doesn’t know?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/02/20 08:48 PM
Are they practicing???
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/02/20 09:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does anybody know if NYCFC or the Red Bull’s Academy are back to practice yet?

A friend of mine with a UEFA A license told me a lot of MLS academy coaches across the country are currently furloughed. I do not know if that includes the red bulls and NYC FC. If somebody know if they’re practicing please let us know.

Your UEFA A licensed friend doesn’t know?

If he did would I be asking. You are the typical a hole on here. He’s on the West Coast
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/02/20 11:22 PM
NYCFC kids practicing with other teams scattered over NYC area. Not clear if only kids they have discarded or more broad group of kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/03/20 05:36 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC kids practicing with other teams scattered over NYC area. Not clear if only kids they have discarded or more broad group of kids.
Example?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/04/20 09:05 PM
That’s because nycfc dropped the u19’s in July and those kids are looking for a team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/04/20 10:32 PM
Hey idiot we sat back and watched.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...first-wave-expansion-means-charles-boehm

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/08/04/mls-adds-19-clubs-elite-player-development-platform

Balls in your court.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/06/20 06:29 PM
Mls academies are great if you’re willing to pucker up to the decision makers. I’ve come across a few dads who will do anything for there sons. Eventually it will catch up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/21/20 10:28 PM
It is sad to see terrible teams like Black Watch with terrible ratings who have been let in as expansion teams. This is absolutely the beginning of the end for US soccer. The new MLS youth administration is letting anyone and everyone in. If a club like Black Watch can get in, they might as well consider it a rec league.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/24/20 03:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is sad to see terrible teams like Black Watch with terrible ratings who have been let in as expansion teams. This is absolutely the beginning of the end for US soccer. The new MLS youth administration is letting anyone and everyone in. If a club like Black Watch can get in, they might as well consider it a rec league.

Black Watch was let in because they are not a threat to BWG and Met Oval. Remember, you have to be voted in to get into this league. Because the MLS allows this to happen, they will rarely to never see the LI talents because it is very challenging to get a kid to Queens 3/4 nights a week. In Europe they don't fear competition like we do here. MLS and US Soccer is headed in the wrong direction....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/24/20 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is sad to see terrible teams like Black Watch with terrible ratings who have been let in as expansion teams. This is absolutely the beginning of the end for US soccer. The new MLS youth administration is letting anyone and everyone in. If a club like Black Watch can get in, they might as well consider it a rec league.

Black Watch was let in because they are not a threat to BWG and Met Oval. Remember, you have to be voted in to get into this league. Because the MLS allows this to happen, they will rarely to never see the LI talents because it is very challenging to get a kid to Queens 3/4 nights a week. In Europe they don't fear competition like we do here. MLS and US Soccer is headed in the wrong direction....

I rarely agree with Larry, but he is right when it would come to this It’s almost impossible to get a kid from Suffolk to Queens every night and have any kind of life for anything. And like Larry always says you’ll be better off worrying about your kids grades then making the trip for the slim chance of soccer greatness.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/24/20 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is sad to see terrible teams like Black Watch with terrible ratings who have been let in as expansion teams. This is absolutely the beginning of the end for US soccer. The new MLS youth administration is letting anyone and everyone in. If a club like Black Watch can get in, they might as well consider it a rec league.

Black Watch was let in because they are not a threat to BWG and Met Oval. Remember, you have to be voted in to get into this league. Because the MLS allows this to happen, they will rarely to never see the LI talents because it is very challenging to get a kid to Queens 3/4 nights a week. In Europe they don't fear competition like we do here. MLS and US Soccer is headed in the wrong direction....

I rarely agree with Larry, but he is right when it would come to this It’s almost impossible to get a kid from Suffolk to Queens every night and have any kind of life for anything. And like Larry always says you’ll be better off worrying about your kids grades then making the trip for the slim chance of soccer greatness.

Plenty of LI kids at nycfc, several at red bulls and a bunch at MO and bwg.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/24/20 07:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is sad to see terrible teams like Black Watch with terrible ratings who have been let in as expansion teams. This is absolutely the beginning of the end for US soccer. The new MLS youth administration is letting anyone and everyone in. If a club like Black Watch can get in, they might as well consider it a rec league.

Black Watch was let in because they are not a threat to BWG and Met Oval. Remember, you have to be voted in to get into this league. Because the MLS allows this to happen, they will rarely to never see the LI talents because it is very challenging to get a kid to Queens 3/4 nights a week. In Europe they don't fear competition like we do here. MLS and US Soccer is headed in the wrong direction....

I rarely agree with Larry, but he is right when it would come to this It’s almost impossible to get a kid from Suffolk to Queens every night and have any kind of life for anything. And like Larry always says you’ll be better off worrying about your kids grades then making the trip for the slim chance of soccer greatness.

Plenty of LI kids at nycfc, several at red bulls and a bunch at MO and bwg.

sure, all that means is there are a lot of crazy parents that will complain about this later in life. Tell you how their kids were great and never made it pro because someone screwed them.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/24/20 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is sad to see terrible teams like Black Watch with terrible ratings who have been let in as expansion teams. This is absolutely the beginning of the end for US soccer. The new MLS youth administration is letting anyone and everyone in. If a club like Black Watch can get in, they might as well consider it a rec league.

Black Watch was let in because they are not a threat to BWG and Met Oval. Remember, you have to be voted in to get into this league. Because the MLS allows this to happen, they will rarely to never see the LI talents because it is very challenging to get a kid to Queens 3/4 nights a week. In Europe they don't fear competition like we do here. MLS and US Soccer is headed in the wrong direction....

I rarely agree with Larry, but he is right when it would come to this It’s almost impossible to get a kid from Suffolk to Queens every night and have any kind of life for anything. And like Larry always says you’ll be better off worrying about your kids grades then making the trip for the slim chance of soccer greatness.

Plenty of LI kids at nycfc, several at red bulls and a bunch at MO and bwg.
Yes, those that are willing to travel those long hours. Perhaps if they had a team out on LI there might be more who have some potential to get to a next level. But the system is complete [****] so we will never know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/24/20 11:43 PM
Or have a parent telling everyone their kid was better than all the mls kids. They just didn't want to make the drive to queens.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/25/20 02:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is sad to see terrible teams like Black Watch with terrible ratings who have been let in as expansion teams. This is absolutely the beginning of the end for US soccer. The new MLS youth administration is letting anyone and everyone in. If a club like Black Watch can get in, they might as well consider it a rec league.

Black Watch was let in because they are not a threat to BWG and Met Oval. Remember, you have to be voted in to get into this league. Because the MLS allows this to happen, they will rarely to never see the LI talents because it is very challenging to get a kid to Queens 3/4 nights a week. In Europe they don't fear competition like we do here. MLS and US Soccer is headed in the wrong direction....

I rarely agree with Larry, but he is right when it would come to this It’s almost impossible to get a kid from Suffolk to Queens every night and have any kind of life for anything. And like Larry always says you’ll be better off worrying about your kids grades then making the trip for the slim chance of soccer greatness.

Plenty of LI kids at nycfc, several at red bulls and a bunch at MO and bwg.
Yes, those that are willing to travel those long hours. Perhaps if they had a team out on LI there might be more who have some potential to get to a next level. But the system is complete [****] so we will never know.

They start the academys too young. The turnover is astounding. The kids that go at U 12 more than 50% are looking for their next jersey two years later. How does the academy get a season off the ground with the no interstate travel rules?

As for not driving 75 miles to go to practice read Tyler Adams story Red Bulls to Lepzig and USMNT. If your kid has a chance put in the effort. I'll bet you play the lottery long odds but worth a shot
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/25/20 02:40 AM
I dont disagree that Black Watch is inferior but it is a region that needs an outlet. There is enough talent but kids have been driving 2+ hours for top competition/training. This year is out the window...teams will get crushed but if they can get the current travelers to stay home they should be able to compete. "If" being the operable word because many local families have strong negative feelings about blackwatch.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/25/20 01:00 PM
They start the academys too young. The turnover is astounding. The kids that go at U 12 more than 50% are looking for their next jersey two years later. How does the academy get a season off the ground with the no interstate travel rules?

As for not driving 75 miles to go to practice read Tyler Adams story Red Bulls to Lepzig and USMNT. If your kid has a chance put in the effort. I'll bet you play the lottery long odds but worth a shot

Adams story is a nice feel good story. Fortunately for him, he was able to do it. When he started it was just him and his mom. They would travel together, eat in the car and he'd study in the car. What if she has 3 other kids? Is his story realistic for all boys and girls? Not every family will be able to find a way to get their child to Red Bulls or NYCFC. Time, money, transportation, other family to care for. For me I don't know how I'd do it with 2 kids in college and 2 more headed that way. My point, and many others have made is that the system is not set up to find and develop the talent the MLS is looking for. It is a very protectionist system that does little to nothing to find and cultivate talent. Other countries set themselves up to find talent. The only club around here that does a decent job of seeking out kids is NYCFC. They host a tournament and their people scout the players. They like you they invite you for tryouts. Get selected and you then need to get to St Johns U 4 days a week in regular season and Columbia U in winter. Long story short, if tyhe MLS would get theor head out of their butts and allow a team or two on LI, you just might find and develop those other Tyler Adams players in our own backyard. Always a good debate on this topic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/25/20 03:34 PM
As predicted the MLS youth league is still fake news. There is no league and the clubs were told to set up friendly games for the fall with no details for the future. This means the MLS clubs will just play each other and the rest of the clubs will have to find friendlies with other clubs. MLS made a big announcement they were taking over the DA and just invited new clubs to join a league that does not exist. They are losing millions of dollars with the pro teams so MLS will never run a youth league for clubs beyond the MLS academies. The old DA clubs that are not MLS academies did a great job selling their parents on a league that does not exist and MLS must take the blame for that. These clubs are not in a good place and their customers are furious
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/25/20 04:24 PM
1. I am a customer, I am not furious and my club is in a good place. My son is a club based in New Jersey.
2. We were told the schedule will be out mid September but that all games will be local within driving distance this fall due to Covid - makes perfect sense to me.

So name the club that is not in a good place and which customers are furious. Met Oval parents seem quite happy now that the Italian mafia is off to Ireland and one of close friend's son is at Gottschee and he is happy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/25/20 05:33 PM
You are clearly in the minority. There is no schedule for the fall and the league has told the clubs to set up friendlies. Each club was given a list of programs in their region that MLS considers a reasonable distance for travel. That is all they are doing for the fall so clubs have to build their own schedule. Regarding the spring, there is zero guidance on what MLS is going to do. So give me an update and tell me how happy you are when NYCFC, Philly Union and Red Bull play each other and a couple select clubs and ignore the rest. Also, keep in mind many MLS clubs are no longer fielding a U18/19 team (NYCFC dropped that age group this year). The whole DA just turned into a glorified EDP league.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/25/20 06:27 PM
Given my son's team is playing all three MLS teams, I am quite happy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/25/20 06:55 PM
Wonder if some of the boys academy clubs will be lenient on the HS sports ban now that they appear OK'd to have a season.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/25/20 07:46 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are clearly in the minority. There is no schedule for the fall and the league has told the clubs to set up friendlies. Each club was given a list of programs in their region that MLS considers a reasonable distance for travel. That is all they are doing for the fall so clubs have to build their own schedule. Regarding the spring, there is zero guidance on what MLS is going to do. So give me an update and tell me how happy you are when NYCFC, Philly Union and Red Bull play each other and a couple select clubs and ignore the rest. Also, keep in mind many MLS clubs are no longer fielding a U18/19 team (NYCFC dropped that age group this year). The whole DA just turned into a glorified EDP league.

that doesn't sound very different than how DA worked anyway. given that no one knows how the season will progress under COVID, it makes sense for the Fall to just be local. I'm sure it also gives flex to MLS clubs to schedule each AG how they see fit instead of locking into A vs B across every AG.

Anyway, the tiering was already occurring and does either club get anything out of a 10-0 scoreline? DA just turned into the MLS-controlled top (boys) youth league in the country, with MLS ability to control the next tier (or two) down, while recruiting clubs, players, etc while avoiding the mind-numbingly dumb rules of USSDA. I think they're likely taking their time with what they produce because no one is appreciative of the s**tshow that was USSDA over the past couple seasons. Let's see if the free market works my Milton Friedman friends!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/25/20 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are clearly in the minority. There is no schedule for the fall and the league has told the clubs to set up friendlies. Each club was given a list of programs in their region that MLS considers a reasonable distance for travel. That is all they are doing for the fall so clubs have to build their own schedule. Regarding the spring, there is zero guidance on what MLS is going to do. So give me an update and tell me how happy you are when NYCFC, Philly Union and Red Bull play each other and a couple select clubs and ignore the rest. Also, keep in mind many MLS clubs are no longer fielding a U18/19 team (NYCFC dropped that age group this year). The whole DA just turned into a glorified EDP league.

I am quite happy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/26/20 04:52 PM
Nycfc should be embarrassed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/26/20 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nycfc should be embarrassed
Why more than any other club?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/26/20 07:15 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I dont disagree that Black Watch is inferior but it is a region that needs an outlet. There is enough talent but kids have been driving 2+ hours for top competition/training. This year is out the window...teams will get crushed but if they can get the current travelers to stay home they should be able to compete. "If" being the operable word because many local families have strong negative feelings about blackwatch.

I recall BW was a decent club with competitive premier teams.
Once the a club gets into the academy league I am sure they'd attract more talent.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/26/20 07:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I dont disagree that Black Watch is inferior but it is a region that needs an outlet. There is enough talent but kids have been driving 2+ hours for top competition/training. This year is out the window...teams will get crushed but if they can get the current travelers to stay home they should be able to compete. "If" being the operable word because many local families have strong negative feelings about blackwatch.

I recall BW was a decent club with competitive premier teams.
Once the a club gets into the academy league I am sure they'd attract more talent.
A true academy does not charge fees!!! NYCFC and RED BULLS for example.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/26/20 08:54 PM
Met Oval summer camps coach just took up the managerial position with Dundalk FC in Ireland.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/26/20 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval summer camps coach just took up the managerial position with Dundalk FC in Ireland.

Wow, that’s awesome. The director at their Queens location recently left for a coaching gig with AJAX in Amsterdam. Sounds like they’re doing something right.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/26/20 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is sad to see terrible teams like Black Watch with terrible ratings who have been let in as expansion teams. This is absolutely the beginning of the end for US soccer. The new MLS youth administration is letting anyone and everyone in. If a club like Black Watch can get in, they might as well consider it a rec league.

Black Watch was let in because they are not a threat to BWG and Met Oval. Remember, you have to be voted in to get into this league. Because the MLS allows this to happen, they will rarely to never see the LI talents because it is very challenging to get a kid to Queens 3/4 nights a week. In Europe they don't fear competition like we do here. MLS and US Soccer is headed in the wrong direction....

This is absolutely 100% correct. No LI club will get into this MLS league any time soon. Sad, because you figure BWG and MO have somewhere around 18-20 kids rostered in each age group on their respective first teams. That means that if you're not one of the top 40 or so kids east of Manhattan, you are not going to play in the MLS league. Throw in the players at each club who are given roster spots for reasons other than their ability. Then factor in the total number of kids playing soccer in Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau, and Suffolk, and it's kind of mind-boggling that only 40 or so kids in each age group have a chance to play in the top league. This is exactly why US soccer is broken. When existing clubs determine who gets into the league, their first concern is their own club's self interest - not the development of young players.

And yes, there are always a handful of parents and players who have the wherewithal to drive 2 hours to a 1 1/2 hour practice, and then another 2 hours back home. Unless you're absolutely convinced that your kid is going pro, I would argue that doing this does not benefit anyone, especially the kids, who are deprived of a normal childhood. Better to ensure your academics are in order and try to play for the highest level team within a reasonable distance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/27/20 01:10 AM
You people keep missing the real story here. MLS as a professional soccer league will post losses this year of close to $1 bln (that comes right our of Garber's mouth). There is no MLS youth league. Pre-pandemic, MLS pulled a PR stunt after DA announced they were shutting down and told the world they were coming to the rescue. Since then the economics have gone downhill fast and the league has zero interest (and money) in running a national youth league. There is no league for any long island club to get into !

MLS just handed each club a piece of paper with a list of clubs that they think are close enough to warrant travel and told everybody start making phone calls to set up your own games. I said it day one and I have been right every step of the way. There is no MLS youth league. For the old DA clubs that are not MLS academies, you should be working on plans B fast !

One last point. Before somebody tells me I am wrong because they just added more new clubs to the league, my response is this is all part of the same PR stunt. When MLS is allowed to have fans back in the stadiums they need to sell out every night so adding more clubs to a league that does not exist gives them a broader base to push ticket sales.

To sum it up you have MLS academies, but you do not have a MLS youth league. Big difference.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/27/20 04:46 AM
You lost me at they added more clubs to the league to increase their ticket sales. But what’s the problem if the former DA teams will be playing games and having make shift tournaments on their own fields with other teams in the would be league? Sure they are technically scrimmages, but isn’t the point to play other quality teams which they would be doing. Now more than ever it pays to own your own field.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/27/20 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people keep missing the real story here. MLS as a professional soccer league will post losses this year of close to $1 bln (that comes right our of Garber's mouth). There is no MLS youth league. Pre-pandemic, MLS pulled a PR stunt after DA announced they were shutting down and told the world they were coming to the rescue. Since then the economics have gone downhill fast and the league has zero interest (and money) in running a national youth league. There is no league for any long island club to get into !

MLS just handed each club a piece of paper with a list of clubs that they think are close enough to warrant travel and told everybody start making phone calls to set up your own games. I said it day one and I have been right every step of the way. There is no MLS youth league. For the old DA clubs that are not MLS academies, you should be working on plans B fast !

One last point. Before somebody tells me I am wrong because they just added more new clubs to the league, my response is this is all part of the same PR stunt. When MLS is allowed to have fans back in the stadiums they need to sell out every night so adding more clubs to a league that does not exist gives them a broader base to push ticket sales.

To sum it up you have MLS academies, but you do not have a MLS youth league. Big difference.
Is it a PR stunt or is it fraud? Inviting teams into a league that doesn't exist and most likely collecting fees from said teams just so you can put fannies in the seats when fans are allowed to return to the stadiums is a fraudulent premise. As I have said before, the MLS and US Soccer is going backwards.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/27/20 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people keep missing the real story here. MLS as a professional soccer league will post losses this year of close to $1 bln (that comes right our of Garber's mouth). There is no MLS youth league. Pre-pandemic, MLS pulled a PR stunt after DA announced they were shutting down and told the world they were coming to the rescue. Since then the economics have gone downhill fast and the league has zero interest (and money) in running a national youth league. There is no league for any long island club to get into !

MLS just handed each club a piece of paper with a list of clubs that they think are close enough to warrant travel and told everybody start making phone calls to set up your own games. I said it day one and I have been right every step of the way. There is no MLS youth league. For the old DA clubs that are not MLS academies, you should be working on plans B fast !

One last point. Before somebody tells me I am wrong because they just added more new clubs to the league, my response is this is all part of the same PR stunt. When MLS is allowed to have fans back in the stadiums they need to sell out every night so adding more clubs to a league that does not exist gives them a broader base to push ticket sales.

To sum it up you have MLS academies, but you do not have a MLS youth league. Big difference.

Yes most of what you said is true. But who cares. My son is on one of the 2 local non MLS clubs. The team is still playing a ton of games against all the same teams from the old DA league. I believe the boys will get to play at least 2 MLS teams. Other than the website for standings and goals absolutely nothing has changed. Same exact thing as the old DA league. If it was worth it then, money and travel wise, it still is. My son loves his team and is happy, so I am too.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/28/20 03:09 AM
BW only has U13/U14, people aren’t going to leave their Clubs just to be back to EDP at U15. If they are granted full admission, that’s a different story, but what they have now just isn’t that big a draw.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/30/20 12:01 AM
Playing home games at Red Bull arena. Sad
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/30/20 02:22 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Given my son's team is playing all three MLS teams, I am quite happy.

Here's a helpful formula to figure out which MLS teams your kid's team will play.

MLS Team = Your Kids Team - 2 age groups
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/30/20 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You people keep missing the real story here. MLS as a professional soccer league will post losses this year of close to $1 bln (that comes right our of Garber's mouth). There is no MLS youth league. Pre-pandemic, MLS pulled a PR stunt after DA announced they were shutting down and told the world they were coming to the rescue. Since then the economics have gone downhill fast and the league has zero interest (and money) in running a national youth league. There is no league for any long island club to get into !

MLS just handed each club a piece of paper with a list of clubs that they think are close enough to warrant travel and told everybody start making phone calls to set up your own games. I said it day one and I have been right every step of the way. There is no MLS youth league. For the old DA clubs that are not MLS academies, you should be working on plans B fast !

One last point. Before somebody tells me I am wrong because they just added more new clubs to the league, my response is this is all part of the same PR stunt. When MLS is allowed to have fans back in the stadiums they need to sell out every night so adding more clubs to a league that does not exist gives them a broader base to push ticket sales.

To sum it up you have MLS academies, but you do not have a MLS youth league. Big difference.

Re-read Don's quote. They are losing $1b in revenues -- they are not losing $1b.

Also, it's the guy's job to exaggerate losses publicly in preparation for the next collective bargaining agreement.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/30/20 12:35 PM
That would be a false statement.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/31/20 12:13 AM
Whether they are losing $1 bln in revenues or losing $1 bln after expenses, whats the difference. When you are trying to fill a $1 bln hole you are not about to launch a youth academy that costs more than $10 mln per year to operate where most of the players are showcasing for college, which adds no value to the MLS youth academies. I continue to maintain the MLS will never run a national youth league like the DA did. USSF got out of it because it was too costly and MLS will never really get into it for the same reason.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 08/31/20 06:50 PM
No your sons team is Not playing all 3 MLS teams. Teams will nit be leaving their own states.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/02/20 03:25 AM
Well Valeo left to scrimmage Hartford Athletic...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/02/20 03:47 AM
Once again that is an incorrect statement as my son's team has two games this weekend in Pennsylvania so we are in fact leaving the state.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/02/20 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BW only has U13/U14, people aren’t going to leave their Clubs just to be back to EDP at U15. If they are granted full admission, that’s a different story, but what they have now just isn’t that big a draw.
I think BW is a very interesting draw (disclosure we just joined the club). Sure U15 not guaranteed but training now highest in area at 4x week as per MLS requirements. No 2+ hour travel to a DA, high level competition and worst case scenario is you developed more than if you remained at a local club. Training looks solid so far, been told on par with DA training but not in a position to validate that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/03/20 01:52 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BW only has U13/U14, people aren’t going to leave their Clubs just to be back to EDP at U15. If they are granted full admission, that’s a different story, but what they have now just isn’t that big a draw.
I think BW is a very interesting draw (disclosure we just joined the club). Sure U15 not guaranteed but training now highest in area at 4x week as per MLS requirements. No 2+ hour travel to a DA, high level competition and worst case scenario is you developed more than if you remained at a local club. Training looks solid so far, been told on par with DA training but not in a position to validate that.


If you are happy with the training for a year (07) or 2 (08), could be worth it, but kids who like their current team won’t jump ship for 1 or 2 years. It’s back to EDP after that.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/04/20 07:02 AM
Bwg gave 500 credit
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/05/20 12:48 AM
season starts 9/12-13 for u15 to u19 and 9/19-20 for u13 and u14...schedules are out
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/05/20 01:09 AM
Post the link
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/05/20 02:00 AM
I confirm...we got today a zoom meeting with the MLS Development league and they gave us those starting dates. Schedule will be released one month at the time due COVID-19
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/05/20 10:04 AM
League launch will be Monday....check social media etc....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/06/20 12:07 AM
My sons plays MLS league u15 and his 1st game is on Saturday September 12th. Similar to above they added his 1st four games to his schedule. Was told he will have about 14 games in the fall.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/06/20 10:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My sons plays MLS league u15 and his 1st game is on Saturday September 12th. Similar to above they added his 1st four games to his schedule. Was told he will have about 14 games in the fall.

Big launch event tomorrow.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/07/20 09:36 PM
Here is the link for the league. While schedules are publicly available yet we have already gotten our schedule for the 1st few games.
https://www.mlssoccer.com/mlsnext
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/08/20 05:21 AM
NYRB U-12 roster is out and insta kid is not on it. Did he move to Europe ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/08/20 12:10 PM
Anybody know what carding system this league is using? Is it the same cards as EDP?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/08/20 01:09 PM
Hey idiot, there is a schedule for the fall, and Red Bull's and Philly Union have u19 teams. I would suggest you think before you post obvious made up information.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/08/20 03:16 PM
Did MO 07' west team add any players during off season?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/08/20 03:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did MO 07' west team add any players during off season?
Yes they did. Coaches are not impressed with their play thus far. Most likely get replaced for winter indoor season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/08/20 06:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did MO 07' west team add any players during off season?
Yes they did. Coaches are not impressed with their play thus far. Most likely get replaced for winter indoor season.

What's Met Oval West? Is the just normal Met Oval?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/09/20 09:51 PM
They meant the “normal” Met Oval in Maspeth
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/10/20 12:21 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They meant the “normal” Met Oval in Maspeth
By "normal" we mean overpriced, overhyped, fake academy team with promises of a path to NYCFC.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/10/20 02:56 AM
Hi you guys know if “play down” is allowed due to physical maturity in this MLS Next league?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/10/20 11:21 AM
yes it is, Red Bull's have two 2005s playing on the u15 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/10/20 12:18 PM
Thanks it's not uncommon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/11/20 06:19 PM
did anyone see the rules for this league - for example number of subs per age group, re-entry allowed or not etc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/11/20 07:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
did anyone see the rules for this league - for example number of subs per age group, re-entry allowed or not etc.

Depends on the age group - at the older ages. 18 player gameday roster. No reentry.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/13/20 12:48 AM
You have problems. Calm down.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/13/20 01:00 AM
Black Watch Albany scrimmaged Empire United tonight. The two teams they have in MLS lost 8-1 and 9-0.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/13/20 01:57 AM
Anyone have scores from today’s games?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/13/20 02:46 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Black Watch Albany scrimmaged Empire United tonight. The two teams they have in MLS lost 8-1 and 9-0.
MLS is about who you know and who you bl_w !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/13/20 03:27 AM
u16s

BWG 4 Met Oval 0
Bergen 3 NYSC 1

u17s
NYSC 1 Bergen 0
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/13/20 04:13 AM
U15s
Bergen 4 NYSC 2
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/13/20 03:04 PM
What a crap 💩 league!! Lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/13/20 06:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a crap 💩 league!! Lol
For the most part it’s basically just DA renamed.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/13/20 08:43 PM
better than any other league in the area but a country mile.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/13/20 10:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Given my son's team is playing all three MLS teams, I am quite happy.

Here's a helpful formula to figure out which MLS teams your kid's team will play.

MLS Team = Your Kids Team - 2 age groups


Actually -3 age groups! So if your sons team gets a result against a MLS academy team just remember they are playing up 3 years. Still happy?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 12:23 AM
League not good =players not good
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 02:50 AM
Please tell which league is good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Given my son's team is playing all three MLS teams, I am quite happy.

Here's a helpful formula to figure out which MLS teams your kid's team will play.

MLS Team = Your Kids Team - 2 age groups


Actually -3 age groups! So if your sons team gets a result against a MLS academy team just remember they are playing up 3 years. Still happy?

So why have your son on a non-MLS team in this league? He won’t be considered by an MLS team if he’s playing against their teams with players three years younger.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 11:52 AM
Name a better league and name a better club that what is in the MLS league.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 12:34 PM
The bottom line many of the better players the parents are not interested and the coaching is not convincing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 01:07 PM
Many of the better players, what the f are you smoking, a one off kid perhaps, many not a chance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 02:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Many of the better players, what the f are you smoking, a one off kid perhaps, many not a chance.

There are MANY very good players not in MLS. What are you smoking ? The MLS sucks as well as their selection and recruitment process.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 03:01 PM
where are the wonderful kids not currently playing in the MLS league. My son's team has scrimmaged a bunch of ECNL teams and I say maybe one kid from STA who played center back who could make his team. MSC Freedom I would not take a single kid, Barca 2005 team one kid who came from the Cosmos who plays up top, SUSA 2005 zero, East Meadow 2005 zero, Match Fit zero, World Class zero.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 04:40 PM
The players on the non-MLS teams in the league can make a statement by beating the younger MLS teams, and it would have to be badly, to force the MLS to change that policy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 09:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The players on the non-MLS teams in the league can make a statement by beating the younger MLS teams, and it would have to be badly, to force the MLS to change that policy.

Why would they change? The MLS teams have wanted to get their academies away from playing meaningless one-sided games against the likes of Met Oval and Gottchee for years. This new setup now give them them the opportunity to play each other more regularly, and to properly test their players against older less talented kids from local teams. If your kid isn't good enough to play MLS academy he will still be cannon fodder for the younger MLS teams. This is what a proper soccer pyramid looks like, get used to it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/14/20 10:05 PM
You’re an idiot. You talk a big game cause your son is at a mls team but for how long. The turnover rate is huge unless you are friends with the decision makers. Most kids don’t make it through from start to finish. Look at your local mls teams. There’s a reason the US sucks on a world stage.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re an idiot. You talk a big game cause your son is at a mls team but for how long. The turnover rate is huge unless you are friends with the decision makers. Most kids don’t make it through from start to finish. Look at your local mls teams. There’s a reason the US sucks on a world stage.


It’s also why the MLS is filling its ranks with players from South America - they’re better than American kids and there’s no development cost. These MLS dev players will be lucky to pull college scholarships away from European league dropouts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 01:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re an idiot. You talk a big game cause your son is at a mls team but for how long. The turnover rate is huge unless you are friends with the decision makers. Most kids don’t make it through from start to finish. Look at your local mls teams. There’s a reason the US sucks on a world stage.


It’s also why the MLS is filling its ranks with players from South America - they’re better than American kids and there’s no development cost. These MLS dev players will be lucky to pull college scholarships away from European league dropouts.

Thanks. Come again next year.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 01:38 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re an idiot. You talk a big game cause your son is at a mls team but for how long. The turnover rate is huge unless you are friends with the decision makers. Most kids don’t make it through from start to finish. Look at your local mls teams. There’s a reason the US sucks on a world stage.


It’s also why the MLS is filling its ranks with players from South America - they’re better than American kids and there’s no development cost. These MLS dev players will be lucky to pull college scholarships away from European league dropouts.

Sad but true
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 01:45 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re an idiot. You talk a big game cause your son is at a mls team but for how long. The turnover rate is huge unless you are friends with the decision makers. Most kids don’t make it through from start to finish. Look at your local mls teams. There’s a reason the US sucks on a world stage.

The reason the US sucks on a soccer world stage is because it's still armature and doesn't have the identity. I think US has tried to mimic how things are done in Europe and/or in South or Central America. And it doesn't work due the differences in country infrastructure, people mentality and other things. Someone has to understand that and figure out what is the best way to develop local players and build soccer infrastructure. For example, we all complain about pay to play model in youth soccer but can't come up with the solution. So many local leagues that are competing between themselves. Is there a way to make them working together? Maybe we could solve that ridicule travel expenses?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 02:04 AM
Now that you didn't make your point on the players how about trying for the coaches
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 02:30 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that you didn't make your point on the players how about trying for the coaches
Not sure if you refer to my post or not.
My vision on coaching for youth soccer is that club director or who ever in charge is entitled to hire who ever he/she pleases or can afford and result will be the decider. Good coach is like a good teacher, hard to find. It's not just telling players what to do on the field but should be able to teach them correct life values, inspire and create that working environment. So, I see a lot of coaches from Europe, mostly from UK and from S and N America and they bring their own experience and vision. What ever works will work.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 02:53 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re an idiot. You talk a big game cause your son is at a mls team but for how long. The turnover rate is huge unless you are friends with the decision makers. Most kids don’t make it through from start to finish. Look at your local mls teams. There’s a reason the US sucks on a world stage.


It’s also why the MLS is filling its ranks with players from South America - they’re better than American kids and there’s no development cost. These MLS dev players will be lucky to pull college scholarships away from European league dropouts.

Thanks. Come again next year.

Huh?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 01:00 PM
International recruiting will not be the same for most colleges. Many have cut scholarships and are now limited on International recruiting. Foreign students require agents to help them make those connections and that has now been limited as well!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 10:55 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re an idiot. You talk a big game cause your son is at a mls team but for how long. The turnover rate is huge unless you are friends with the decision makers. Most kids don’t make it through from start to finish. Look at your local mls teams. There’s a reason the US sucks on a world stage.


Never mind I hear Red Bulls are looking for ball kids at the Arena
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 11:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re an idiot. You talk a big game cause your son is at a mls team but for how long. The turnover rate is huge unless you are friends with the decision makers. Most kids don’t make it through from start to finish. Look at your local mls teams. There’s a reason the US sucks on a world stage.


Never mind I hear Red Bulls are looking for ball kids at the Arena

Maybe his kid will become a juggle monkey. We had season tickets and they (street ballers) used to perform at half like the seals at Sea World.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/15/20 11:51 PM
Why the negativity? As an outsider, it seems like some are jealous that their kid doesn’t play in the league or for a mLs academy team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You’re an idiot. You talk a big game cause your son is at a mls team but for how long. The turnover rate is huge unless you are friends with the decision makers. Most kids don’t make it through from start to finish. Look at your local mls teams. There’s a reason the US sucks on a world stage.

The reason the US sucks on a soccer world stage is because it's still armature and doesn't have the identity. I think US has tried to mimic how things are done in Europe and/or in South or Central America. And it doesn't work due the differences in country infrastructure, people mentality and other things. Someone has to understand that and figure out what is the best way to develop local players and build soccer infrastructure. For example, we all complain about pay to play model in youth soccer but can't come up with the solution. So many local leagues that are competing between themselves. Is there a way to make them working together? Maybe we could solve that ridicule travel expenses?

There are actually some fairly simple solutions. One would be to have school based clubs since schools usually have facilities. This works if USSF would make a massive effort to train school coaches properly and force schools to have soccer as a fall and spring sport and futsal in winter. All other sports in the US operate this way with schools as the low cost grass roots.

Other solutions would involve youth soccer taken over by USSF (not private leagues like we have now) to create national, regional. state, and local leagues with multiple tiers and promotion and relegation. One would expect MLS teams to be the best and in the state or regional leagues and national for older kids.

Guys, Iceland has figured out how to do it so I am sure we can. If we want.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 11:46 AM
I am not sure whatever happened to the NYCFC affiliate league thing but in theory that was a good idea. If every MLS team did similar . . . .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 01:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why the negativity? As an outsider, it seems like some are jealous that their kid doesn’t play in the league or for a mLs academy team.
I agree - folks like to bash and say that the competition isn't all that great until you take your child to a team (I'm sure there are a couple of exceptions) and realize the competition is the best around especially for the boys in the older age groups.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Now that you didn't make your point on the players how about trying for the coaches

One of the reasons soccer in the US is so bad is the coaching at the youth level is poor. The worst coaches are the ex college players. College soccer sucks so why are so many parents happy to hand over hard earned money to some chump who played soccer at such a low level?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 04:08 PM
They don’t want to figure it out. That would mean lots of people (trainers, coaches and some low level executives would lose $). Mls teams take some very good players so the team is good. Then fill out the team with the people who have $ and those who don’t.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 05:35 PM
I am sick of all the jealous haters assuming MLS academy teams fill out their rosters with people that have connections or money, just simply an excuse you feed yourself as to why your own son didnt make a team. As MLS academy teams dont charge a nickel and all training, gear, travel, etc is fully paid for, please explain how you think $ factors in. As to connections, I can assure you there is almost zero interaction between parents and coaches/administrators. They don't give a darn whether you think you have a connection or not, they are simply taking the best players that have the ability to potentially be considered for first team and give the best chance to win games on a weekly basis. Anything short of that rational and then you are part of the problem enabling your own son that didnt make the team that deck was stacked against him as opposed to the reality which I'll assume deep down you likely know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sick of all the jealous haters assuming MLS academy teams fill out their rosters with people that have connections or money, just simply an excuse you feed yourself as to why your own son didnt make a team. As MLS academy teams dont charge a nickel and all training, gear, travel, etc is fully paid for, please explain how you think $ factors in. As to connections, I can assure you there is almost zero interaction between parents and coaches/administrators. They don't give a darn whether you think you have a connection or not, they are simply taking the best players that have the ability to potentially be considered for first team and give the best chance to win games on a weekly basis. Anything short of that rational and then you are part of the problem enabling your own son that didnt make the team that deck was stacked against him as opposed to the reality which I'll assume deep down you likely know.

Do you think the coaches of MLS Academy teams are above taking financial consideration for spots 20-24 on their roster?

If you do, you're wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 06:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sick of all the jealous haters assuming MLS academy teams fill out their rosters with people that have connections or money, just simply an excuse you feed yourself as to why your own son didnt make a team. As MLS academy teams dont charge a nickel and all training, gear, travel, etc is fully paid for, please explain how you think $ factors in. As to connections, I can assure you there is almost zero interaction between parents and coaches/administrators. They don't give a darn whether you think you have a connection or not, they are simply taking the best players that have the ability to potentially be considered for first team and give the best chance to win games on a weekly basis. Anything short of that rational and then you are part of the problem enabling your own son that didnt make the team that deck was stacked against him as opposed to the reality which I'll assume deep down you likely know.
Agreed - at least on the boys side. I think the last "pay-to-play" MLS academy, DC United, has just announced they are going to a free model for players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 07:23 PM
Mls teams are all about connections. My son is at a local mls team and I’ve seen parents always in conversation with trainers and directors and then miraculously there kid gets an invitation over everyone. Take your head out of the sand. Yes there are kids their on merit but there is other things going on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 09:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mls teams are all about connections. My son is at a local mls team and I’ve seen parents always in conversation with trainers and directors and then miraculously there kid gets an invitation over everyone. Take your head out of the sand. Yes there are kids their on merit but there is other things going on.

Crazy paranoid parent. MLS academies are there to produce 1st team players. There's no room for political favors. Even the ex RBNY's manager's kid did not get offered a spot on the academy. If your kid is not being invited then he's not been identified as a first team prospect. Accept it and move on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 09:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mls teams are all about connections. My son is at a local mls team and I’ve seen parents always in conversation with trainers and directors and then miraculously there kid gets an invitation over everyone. Take your head out of the sand. Yes there are kids their on merit but there is other things going on.

Crazy paranoid parent. MLS academies are there to produce 1st team players. There's no room for political favors. Even the ex RBNY's manager's kid did not get offered a spot on the academy. If your kid is not being invited then he's not been identified as a first team prospect. Accept it and move on.

And they’re lucky if one player per age group makes it to the first team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 10:24 PM
Actually his son chose not to go to Red Bull’s. You’re buying into it cause your kid is there for now. My son went through and is now at a top college getting a free education which is a great thing. Most of those boys will do the same but that doesn’t hide the fact that there are kids there who parents will stop at nothing to get them ahead. You know the ones I’m talking about, always trying to talk to the trainers, offering their house for out of state players to live or they just happen to know everyone. We enjoyed our experience but we were not blind.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/16/20 10:26 PM
Who’s the acacdemy director now at nycfc?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/17/20 01:57 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sick of all the jealous haters assuming MLS academy teams fill out their rosters with people that have connections or money, just simply an excuse you feed yourself as to why your own son didnt make a team. As MLS academy teams dont charge a nickel and all training, gear, travel, etc is fully paid for, please explain how you think $ factors in. As to connections, I can assure you there is almost zero interaction between parents and coaches/administrators. They don't give a darn whether you think you have a connection or not, they are simply taking the best players that have the ability to potentially be considered for first team and give the best chance to win games on a weekly basis. Anything short of that rational and then you are part of the problem enabling your own son that didnt make the team that deck was stacked against him as opposed to the reality which I'll assume deep down you likely know.

Well said.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/17/20 03:22 AM
Guess we struck a nerve. Sometimes the truth hurts.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/17/20 12:00 PM
guess you're a delusional loser that will always make excuses. next one will be didn't get promoted bc the boss likes them better but you're more deserving. lets see if that strikes a nerve. point is, typically in life things work out the way they are intended and simply losers make excuses. Some unsolicited advice, take this as a life lesson rather than a slight and tell your son to keep his head down, keep working hard and you never know what can happen as one's financial standing and/or supposed connections have zero to do with who is selected for MLS academy rosters.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/17/20 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
guess you're a delusional loser that will always make excuses. next one will be didn't get promoted bc the boss likes them better but you're more deserving. lets see if that strikes a nerve. point is, typically in life things work out the way they are intended and simply losers make excuses. Some unsolicited advice, take this as a life lesson rather than a slight and tell your son to keep his head down, keep working hard and you never know what can happen as one's financial standing and/or supposed connections have zero to do with who is selected for MLS academy rosters.

Ha ha ha are you kidding me? Get out of here with that bootstraps crap. It is absolutely not the way the world works. I do agree though that overall sports is probably more a meritocracy than many areas of life but even so it isn't as you make it out to be.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/17/20 01:56 PM
Did somebody seriously post on here that the ex-manager of Red Bull's son wasn't good enough to be on Red Bull so didn't make it? Do you seriously believe the ex manager's son couldn't get a spot if he wanted? As long as he could kick a ball he could have a spot IF HE WANTED.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/17/20 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did somebody seriously post on here that the ex-manager of Red Bull's son wasn't good enough to be on Red Bull so didn't make it? Do you seriously believe the ex manager's son couldn't get a spot if he wanted? As long as he could kick a ball he could have a spot IF HE WANTED.

So his son went to tryouts... trained plenty of times with his age group at RB.... but didn't get on the team because HE DIDN'T WANT A SPOT?

You are bitter and deluded. Go back to your QAnon.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/17/20 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mls teams are all about connections. My son is at a local mls team and I’ve seen parents always in conversation with trainers and directors and then miraculously there kid gets an invitation over everyone. Take your head out of the sand. Yes there are kids their on merit but there is other things going on.

Crazy paranoid parent. MLS academies are there to produce 1st team players. There's no room for political favors. Even the ex RBNY's manager's kid did not get offered a spot on the academy. If your kid is not being invited then he's not been identified as a first team prospect. Accept it and move on.

There are maybe 3-4 kids on any MLS Academy team that have a chance of playing for the first team. I mean ANY chance at all and I mean MAYBE.

The other 15-20 kids on the roster are cannon fodder -- like sparring partners of a heavyweight fighter. They don't matter and are interchangeable, especially at the younger levels.

None of the Academy coaches are judged on their records, which is why they regularly play kids up 1-2 age levels.

Records don't matter and the kids are interchangeable.

So yes, there are many things that can go into the decision of who makes the team other than pure skill, because the skill on the back end of the roster doesn't matter. Like I said, cannon fodder.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/17/20 06:37 PM
Right and some parents don’t hire a trainer/ college recruiter to solicit colleges for their kids Keep telling yourself it’s a level playing field. Ever notice how all these professional players kids are the highest rated player. That goes for academy directors sons. BWG kid signs a contract after 6 months at philly. You don’t see that in football, baseball and basketball because they are all about winning.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/17/20 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Right and some parents don’t hire a trainer/ college recruiter to solicit colleges for their kids Keep telling yourself it’s a level playing field. Ever notice how all these professional players kids are the highest rated player. That goes for academy directors sons. BWG kid signs a contract after 6 months at philly. You don’t see that in football, baseball and basketball because they are all about winning.

If you are paying big $ to get that mythical soccer scholarship you are looking at the wrong sport. Pre-covid D1 and 2 colleges had 9 soccer scholarships for a roster of up to 30 students. Most divided that up. Now, I'd be surprised if there are any scholarships any more. If your son is not a baller playing up 2-3 age groups for an MLS academy, my advice would be to get him to concentrate on his academics.

And do you seriously think a MLS team would offer a professional contract to a boy if he wasn't good enough? This isn't NY Real Estate, this is professional sports. You can't hide behind money.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 02:44 PM
To answer your question, yes I do. Why does nycfc offer contracts to kids when they don’t have a second team ? It took Sands about 3 years to get playing time. The others who have signed don’t get any time. They finally decided to loan out Haak to Hartford. The others ended up playing down on the academy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 04:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To answer your question, yes I do. Why does nycfc offer contracts to kids when they don’t have a second team ? It took Sands about 3 years to get playing time. The others who have signed don’t get any time. They finally decided to loan out Haak to Hartford. The others ended up playing down on the academy.

Mcgiff at reading, reyna at dortmund and scally going to monchengladbach
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 05:52 PM
MLS sucks and so does the youth league
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 06:09 PM
Name a better league in the US if the MLS youth league sucks.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 06:41 PM
Maybe just Maybe there is truth in what both of you are saying. To say all kids make it on merit alone would be false just as saying all players in MLS or former DA only made it because of money/politics/etc.. would be false. Can’t the truth lie in the middle?

In my experience with a youth player currently playing u15 that has been part of the DA and now MLS that is certainly the case. He has been part of several clubs and I would say with a roster of 18 there is usually always several players on the team because of some political decisions. I have witnessed tryouts were an outside player who shows more potential/talent over an existing player does not make it. There are always kids that you question how are they on this team?

Having said that I agree taking the attitude of that being the only reason is wrong, there are plenty of talented players in these youth leagues at the higher level that made in on their own merit. Regardless if there is potential to play professional, they are still at the top of the sport in their area. So why not just take the attitude that you need to tell your kid the reality is if there are 18 players, maybe there are 12/14 legitimate spots so go earn one. If you’re coming from the outside you maybe have top 3 because they have seen their players all year and aren’t going to easily replace one unless they are unhappy with there performance.

In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 07:50 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe just Maybe there is truth in what both of you are saying. To say all kids make it on merit alone would be false just as saying all players in MLS or former DA only made it because of money/politics/etc.. would be false. Can’t the truth lie in the middle?

In my experience with a youth player currently playing u15 that has been part of the DA and now MLS that is certainly the case. He has been part of several clubs and I would say with a roster of 18 there is usually always several players on the team because of some political decisions. I have witnessed tryouts were an outside player who shows more potential/talent over an existing player does not make it. There are always kids that you question how are they on this team?

Having said that I agree taking the attitude of that being the only reason is wrong, there are plenty of talented players in these youth leagues at the higher level that made in on their own merit. Regardless if there is potential to play professional, they are still at the top of the sport in their area. So why not just take the attitude that you need to tell your kid the reality is if there are 18 players, maybe there are 12/14 legitimate spots so go earn one. If you’re coming from the outside you maybe have top 3 because they have seen their players all year and aren’t going to easily replace one unless they are unhappy with there performance.

In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

My son spent 2 months with Red Bulls, practicing 1-2 years up with their academy . Played in the back, CB, RB never had an issue in any of the practices. More then held his own, hardly beat easily, won all kinds of headers, etc.... Then they put that chest monitor vest on him and that was the end of him. He does not run around like a chicken with his head cut off and they said goodbye to him. He will do fine elsewhere but from what I saw that is what seems to be needed locally , or at the very least at Red Bull.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 09:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sick of all the jealous haters assuming MLS academy teams fill out their rosters with people that have connections or money, just simply an excuse you feed yourself as to why your own son didnt make a team. As MLS academy teams dont charge a nickel and all training, gear, travel, etc is fully paid for, please explain how you think $ factors in. As to connections, I can assure you there is almost zero interaction between parents and coaches/administrators. They don't give a darn whether you think you have a connection or not, they are simply taking the best players that have the ability to potentially be considered for first team and give the best chance to win games on a weekly basis. Anything short of that rational and then you are part of the problem enabling your own son that didnt make the team that deck was stacked against him as opposed to the reality which I'll assume deep down you likely know.

It depends upon what you mean by "MLS academy teams". If you are referring to the youth academies of actual MLS teams like Red Bulls and NYCFC, then yes, I would tend to agree with you that favoritism/politics is minimal. Since all expenses are covered, it's not really feasible for someone to be able to buy their son's way into the academy. These academies take players based on talent/merit, and other factors that may exist elsewhere are probably not factors for them.

If, however, you are referring to other clubs who happen to be a part of the new MLS academy league (formerly DA), such as Met Oval, Gottshcee, etc., then I would disagree. Politics and money are definitely big factors as to which players are chosen. Stronger players are frequently passed over in order to keep weaker ones in the club. There is something to be said for loyalty to players who have historically been part of the club; however, when better players are turned away for non-soccer related reasons, it kind of defeats the purpose of being a part of what is supposed to be the best league in the country. There should be some sort of mechanism in place to ensure that only the most talented players get to participate, but sadly, there isn't.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 09:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe just Maybe there is truth in what both of you are saying. To say all kids make it on merit alone would be false just as saying all players in MLS or former DA only made it because of money/politics/etc.. would be false. Can’t the truth lie in the middle?

In my experience with a youth player currently playing u15 that has been part of the DA and now MLS that is certainly the case. He has been part of several clubs and I would say with a roster of 18 there is usually always several players on the team because of some political decisions. I have witnessed tryouts were an outside player who shows more potential/talent over an existing player does not make it. There are always kids that you question how are they on this team?

Having said that I agree taking the attitude of that being the only reason is wrong, there are plenty of talented players in these youth leagues at the higher level that made in on their own merit. Regardless if there is potential to play professional, they are still at the top of the sport in their area. So why not just take the attitude that you need to tell your kid the reality is if there are 18 players, maybe there are 12/14 legitimate spots so go earn one. If you’re coming from the outside you maybe have top 3 because they have seen their players all year and aren’t going to easily replace one unless they are unhappy with there performance.

In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

My son spent 2 months with Red Bulls, practicing 1-2 years up with their academy . Played in the back, CB, RB never had an issue in any of the practices. More then held his own, hardly beat easily, won all kinds of headers, etc.... Then they put that chest monitor vest on him and that was the end of him. He does not run around like a chicken with his head cut off and they said goodbye to him. He will do fine elsewhere but from what I saw that is what seems to be needed locally , or at the very least at Red Bull.

Sadly, Red Bulls are notorious for things like this, but, in reality, it's a statement about American soccer in general. Everybody looks for a big, fast kid that runs around like a lunatic first, and for kids with actual soccer skill and IQ a distant second. I guess this country's philosophy has historically been to admit that we cannot compete on the world stage based on actual talent, so we collect the biggest, strongest, and fastest players and try to get by on physicality instead. Hasn't worked so far.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 10:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I am sick of all the jealous haters assuming MLS academy teams fill out their rosters with people that have connections or money, just simply an excuse you feed yourself as to why your own son didnt make a team. As MLS academy teams dont charge a nickel and all training, gear, travel, etc is fully paid for, please explain how you think $ factors in. As to connections, I can assure you there is almost zero interaction between parents and coaches/administrators. They don't give a darn whether you think you have a connection or not, they are simply taking the best players that have the ability to potentially be considered for first team and give the best chance to win games on a weekly basis. Anything short of that rational and then you are part of the problem enabling your own son that didnt make the team that deck was stacked against him as opposed to the reality which I'll assume deep down you likely know.

It depends upon what you mean by "MLS academy teams". If you are referring to the youth academies of actual MLS teams like Red Bulls and NYCFC, then yes, I would tend to agree with you that favoritism/politics is minimal. Since all expenses are covered, it's not really feasible for someone to be able to buy their son's way into the academy. These academies take players based on talent/merit, and other factors that may exist elsewhere are probably not factors for them.

If, however, you are referring to other clubs who happen to be a part of the new MLS academy league (formerly DA), such as Met Oval, Gottshcee, etc., then I would disagree. Politics and money are definitely big factors as to which players are chosen. Stronger players are frequently passed over in order to keep weaker ones in the club. There is something to be said for loyalty to players who have historically been part of the club; however, when better players are turned away for non-soccer related reasons, it kind of defeats the purpose of being a part of what is supposed to be the best league in the country. There should be some sort of mechanism in place to ensure that only the most talented players get to participate, but sadly, there isn't.

This post.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 10:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe just Maybe there is truth in what both of you are saying. To say all kids make it on merit alone would be false just as saying all players in MLS or former DA only made it because of money/politics/etc.. would be false. Can’t the truth lie in the middle?

In my experience with a youth player currently playing u15 that has been part of the DA and now MLS that is certainly the case. He has been part of several clubs and I would say with a roster of 18 there is usually always several players on the team because of some political decisions. I have witnessed tryouts were an outside player who shows more potential/talent over an existing player does not make it. There are always kids that you question how are they on this team?

Having said that I agree taking the attitude of that being the only reason is wrong, there are plenty of talented players in these youth leagues at the higher level that made in on their own merit. Regardless if there is potential to play professional, they are still at the top of the sport in their area. So why not just take the attitude that you need to tell your kid the reality is if there are 18 players, maybe there are 12/14 legitimate spots so go earn one. If you’re coming from the outside you maybe have top 3 because they have seen their players all year and aren’t going to easily replace one unless they are unhappy with there performance.

In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

My son spent 2 months with Red Bulls, practicing 1-2 years up with their academy . Played in the back, CB, RB never had an issue in any of the practices. More then held his own, hardly beat easily, won all kinds of headers, etc.... Then they put that chest monitor vest on him and that was the end of him. He does not run around like a chicken with his head cut off and they said goodbye to him. He will do fine elsewhere but from what I saw that is what seems to be needed locally , or at the very least at Red Bull.

Sadly, Red Bulls are notorious for things like this, but, in reality, it's a statement about American soccer in general. Everybody looks for a big, fast kid that runs around like a lunatic first, and for kids with actual soccer skill and IQ a distant second. I guess this country's philosophy has historically been to admit that we cannot compete on the world stage based on actual talent, so we collect the biggest, strongest, and fastest players and try to get by on physicality instead. Hasn't worked so far.

Or maybe it is the way Red Bulls are set up to play? Anyone who has seen how high the press is for all the Red Bulls teams knows you can't play that style of soccer with a big slow CB. Mobility is a priority for this type of soccer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/18/20 11:43 PM
My son spent 2 months with Red Bulls, practicing 1-2 years up with their academy . Played in the back, CB, RB never had an issue in any of the practices. More then held his own, hardly beat easily, won all kinds of headers, etc.... Then they put that chest monitor vest on him and that was the end of him. He does not run around like a chicken with his head cut off and they said goodbye to him. He will do fine elsewhere but from what I saw that is what seems to be needed locally , or at the very least at Red Bull.[/quote]

Sadly, Red Bulls are notorious for things like this, but, in reality, it's a statement about American soccer in general. Everybody looks for a big, fast kid that runs around like a lunatic first, and for kids with actual soccer skill and IQ a distant second. I guess this country's philosophy has historically been to admit that we cannot compete on the world stage based on actual talent, so we collect the biggest, strongest, and fastest players and try to get by on physicality instead. Hasn't worked so far.[/quote]

Or maybe it is the way Red Bulls are set up to play? Anyone who has seen how high the press is for all the Red Bulls teams knows you can't play that style of soccer with a big slow CB. Mobility is a priority for this type of soccer.[/quote]

You are 100% right, highly technical and field IQ, not slow but just not FAST. I have learned a lot over the years, he will find his fit.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/19/20 03:20 AM
There’s a lot of BS g Th hat goes on at the mls teams and other academies. MO owners kid bounces back and forth from nycfc and Red Bull’s. BWG kid signs contract with philly. The Mcgiff Kidd made it to reading on his own in
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/19/20 01:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There’s a lot of BS g Th hat goes on at the mls teams and other academies. MO owners kid bounces back and forth from nycfc and Red Bull’s. BWG kid signs contract with philly. The Mcgiff Kidd made it to reading on his own in

And now NYCFC is looking for money for developing Mcgiff. Jumped on their payments ASAP even though they had nothing to do with getting him his try out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/19/20 05:01 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]
If, however, you are referring to other clubs who happen to be a part of the new MLS academy league (formerly DA), such as Met Oval, Gottshcee, etc., then I would disagree. Politics and money are definitely big factors as to which players are chosen. Stronger players are frequently passed over in order to keep weaker ones in the club. There is something to be said for loyalty to players who have historically been part of the club; however, when better players are turned away for non-soccer related reasons, it kind of defeats the purpose of being a part of what is supposed to be the best league in the country. There should be some sort of mechanism in place to ensure that only the most talented players get to participate, but sadly, there isn't.

I am outsider here, have a kid who is on non-mls team in CA. I would agree with you on some of what you're saying here. But, in defense for non-mls clubs, I'd like to point out that sometimes they have to choose between stronger players aspect and financials aspect. It's not ideal but it's business.
My 2nd point is that people see different things when they deciding which player is better. So, because of that, every coach has his/her preferences and ideas what they look in the players for their teams and it might be different from a parent view.
My 3rd point would be that non-mls club more likely is obligated to build a good relationship with the community, which also might impact on which player gets offer for 1st team. That is also not ideal from strictly technical view of selecting best of the best players for the 1st team but can be justifiable from the business point of view.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/19/20 05:29 PM
Looking for $ for a kid they did nothing for. If anything they held him back. Seems like they do that to a lot of kids. Heard stories about the way they hold certain players back. Funny they don’t seem to be after $ for Gio Reyna
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/19/20 06:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]
If, however, you are referring to other clubs who happen to be a part of the new MLS academy league (formerly DA), such as Met Oval, Gottshcee, etc., then I would disagree. Politics and money are definitely big factors as to which players are chosen. Stronger players are frequently passed over in order to keep weaker ones in the club. There is something to be said for loyalty to players who have historically been part of the club; however, when better players are turned away for non-soccer related reasons, it kind of defeats the purpose of being a part of what is supposed to be the best league in the country. There should be some sort of mechanism in place to ensure that only the most talented players get to participate, but sadly, there isn't.

I am outsider here, have a kid who is on non-mls team in CA. I would agree with you on some of what you're saying here. But, in defense for non-mls clubs, I'd like to point out that sometimes they have to choose between stronger players aspect and financials aspect. It's not ideal but it's business.
My 2nd point is that people see different things when they deciding which player is better. So, because of that, every coach has his/her preferences and ideas what they look in the players for their teams and it might be different from a parent view.
My 3rd point would be that non-mls club more likely is obligated to build a good relationship with the community, which also might impact on which player gets offer for 1st team. That is also not ideal from strictly technical view of selecting best of the best players for the 1st team but can be justifiable from the business point of view.

This is a “poormans”, so to speak, pov. If you’re making a decision in a competitive sport for any of reason than to compete it hurts everyone involved. The business, the child less talented and the more talented child who was a victim and overlooked bc of this pov. Leave the politics out of children’s soccer! The better the teams, the more people are attracted to the club for the training that produced the team. The better the team the greater the hunger for b and c team players to get to their level!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/19/20 09:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a “poormans”, so to speak, pov. If you’re making a decision in a competitive sport for any of reason than to compete it hurts everyone involved. The business, the child less talented and the more talented child who was a victim and overlooked bc of this pov. Leave the politics out of children’s soccer! The better the teams, the more people are attracted to the club for the training that produced the team. The better the team the greater the hunger for b and c team players to get to their level!

It's like I said 'not ideal' from pure competitive point of view. I agree that the politics shouldn't be anywhere close to youth sport (not sure if it's possible). But then again, you can't expect non-mls clubs follow the same business model as MLS affiliated clubs. As non-mls club how do you sell that team should have 24-26 players on the team when parents pay what 3k-5k plus travel expenses and want their kids to play in the game. So clubs will have 18-20 players on the team and for sure some kids will be overlooked due the difference of opinion or due something else, which is unfortunate. And, as for "some sort of mechanism in place to ensure that only the most talented players get to participate" as long as people make decisions there will be always disagreements.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/19/20 10:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a “poormans”, so to speak, pov. If you’re making a decision in a competitive sport for any of reason than to compete it hurts everyone involved. The business, the child less talented and the more talented child who was a victim and overlooked bc of this pov. Leave the politics out of children’s soccer! The better the teams, the more people are attracted to the club for the training that produced the team. The better the team the greater the hunger for b and c team players to get to their level!

It's like I said 'not ideal' from pure competitive point of view. I agree that the politics shouldn't be anywhere close to youth sport (not sure if it's possible). But then again, you can't expect non-mls clubs follow the same business model as MLS affiliated clubs. As non-mls club how do you sell that team should have 24-26 players on the team when parents pay what 3k-5k plus travel expenses and want their kids to play in the game. So clubs will have 18-20 players on the team and for sure some kids will be overlooked due the difference of opinion or due something else, which is unfortunate. And, as for "some sort of mechanism in place to ensure that only the most talented players get to participate" as long as people make decisions there will be always disagreements.

Yes you are 100% correct, it’s just unfortunate all around that this is so accepted amongst clubs for all the reasons you stated. Have a good one
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/20/20 01:16 AM
Results from today?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/20/20 10:11 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

This happens in a lot of European countries too especially as soccer is now in a counter-attacking, pressing, physical tactical stage in response to the tiki-take Barca/Spain style that dominated last decade. Look at most top national and domestic teams now and you do not see many small players, especially in midfield, as you did 10 years ago. I am sure the cycle will swing back but for now this is where we are.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/20/20 01:17 PM
Mls clubs have just as much political BS and non mls. Don’t be fooled. My son was at a mls from start to finish before he went to college and I saw firsthand questionable behavior between parents and coaches and directors. Is it normal for a parent to call a director on a regular basis ? Yet his kid gets called for everything while being a middle of the group type player. Sorry I don’t think so
Posted By: Falcon Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/20/20 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

This happens in a lot of European countries too especially as soccer is now in a counter-attacking, pressing, physical tactical stage in response to the tiki-take Barca/Spain style that dominated last decade. Look at most top national and domestic teams now and you do not see many small players, especially in midfield, as you did 10 years ago. I am sure the cycle will swing back but for now this is where we are.

Go back and look at the roster and the size of the players for Barca and the Spanish national team. The team was not as small as you think. I remember comparing it to the American team. It wasn’t a team full of Messi’s and Iniesta’s.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/20/20 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

This happens in a lot of European countries too especially as soccer is now in a counter-attacking, pressing, physical tactical stage in response to the tiki-take Barca/Spain style that dominated last decade. Look at most top national and domestic teams now and you do not see many small players, especially in midfield, as you did 10 years ago. I am sure the cycle will swing back but for now this is where we are.

Go back and look at the roster and the size of the players for Barca and the Spanish national team. The team was not as small as you think. I remember comparing it to the American team. It wasn’t a team full of Messi’s and Iniesta’s.


Really? Lets have a look at that 2010 World Cup Winning Spanish midfield roster:
Xavi
David Silva
Fabregas
Juan Mata
Cazorla
David Villa
Pedro
Navas
Iniesta
Busquets

I don't have to go lookup their heights to tell you apart from Busquets, they are all probably 5'8" or less.

And lets have a look at the midfield of the 2010/11 Champions League winners, Barcelona:
Messi
Xavi
Iniesta
Thiago
Mascherano
David Villa
Pedro
Busquets

So, apart from Busquets (who would be considered too slow for todays high press athletic style of soccer) all these maestros are small guys. And I'd argue apart from maybe Messi, none of these midfield maestros would make it through the academies in todays ultra athletic game. Too physically small. Too slow. Unable to run like a horse for 90+ mins. The game has changed. But this profile fits the typical American player so it may actually benefit US soccer.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/20/20 09:13 PM
Wait so are you saying the world is following US style of play ???
Posted By: Falcon Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/20/20 11:12 PM
I will see if I still have the sizes. I found it interesting that it didn’t quite fit the narrative. I believe I was looking at the Spanish National Team vs The USMNT.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/21/20 12:22 AM
Trust me, nobody wants to play like the US. And if there is no politics then can you explain michael Bradley.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/21/20 12:38 AM
John wooden:lets have speed of thought and stop as you guys would say running like a chicken without a head. Knowledge is king. Arrogant ignorant. Read. Teach yourselves. size has no relationship with talent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/21/20 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Trust me, nobody wants to play like the US. And if there is no politics then can you explain michael Bradley.

OMG,,,,,, best post ever. Forgot all about the ageless wonder. LOL, what a joke !!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/21/20 08:15 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Trust me, nobody wants to play like the US. And if there is no politics then can you explain michael Bradley.

OMG,,,,,, best post ever. Forgot all about the ageless wonder. LOL, what a joke !!!

He was a pretty good player in his prime even did well in Italy for a while .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/21/20 01:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking for $ for a kid they did nothing for. If anything they held him back. Seems like they do that to a lot of kids. Heard stories about the way they hold certain players back. Funny they don’t seem to be after $ for Gio Reyna

Reyna is a fantastic player and clearly has the ability but it is 100% true that NYCFC bent over backwards to accommodate him and has screwed over a lot of potentially excellent players at the same time. Even at that level, connections do count for a lot more than people realize.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/21/20 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Trust me, nobody wants to play like the US. And if there is no politics then can you explain michael Bradley.

OMG,,,,,, best post ever. Forgot all about the ageless wonder. LOL, what a joke !!!

He was a pretty good player in his prime even did well in Italy for a while .

That was a long time ago. The politics of his continued USMNT play is obvious, IMO.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/21/20 07:21 PM
Yes they screwed a lot of kids over for the bosses son but there’s no politics at mls clubs. Lol. He obviously is good but I wonder why they aren’t they going after the compensation.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/21/20 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they screwed a lot of kids over for the bosses son but there’s no politics at mls clubs. Lol. He obviously is good but I wonder why they aren’t they going after the compensation.

You think CFG needs the cash?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/21/20 08:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they screwed a lot of kids over for the bosses son but there’s no politics at mls clubs. Lol. He obviously is good but I wonder why they aren’t they going after the compensation.

You think CFG needs the cash?


YES, they obviously disregard fair play rules
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/21/20 09:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they screwed a lot of kids over for the bosses son but there’s no politics at mls clubs. Lol. He obviously is good but I wonder why they aren’t they going after the compensation.

reyna never signed a contract with nycfc - he knew his future was abroad w the EU passport he could get and leave at 16 - so it was in effect a "free transfer". at best right now they might have gotten some training compensation money, but that's like maybe $40k for each year he was in the system (so maybe $160-200k?). but i think the USSF signed onto the FIFA global player xfer agreement after he went to BVB so maybe they got nothing? when/if BVB sells reyna onto another club NYCFC should get about 1% of the xfer price as solidarity payment (5% of total xfer price is set aside, then split between age 12-23 training clubs with youngest 4 AG getting 5% p.a. of that 5% then stepping up to 10% p.a.) so if he goes for pulisic $$, NYCFC would get around $750k.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 05:39 AM
Given that Reyna is now starting and scoring goals for a top 20 team in the world at 17 years-old I guess NYCFC was smart to "accommodate" him. Very, very few players in the World are able to start for a club like Dortmund at 17. Further, since he arrived the entire Dortmund staff have raved about him - from their head coach to their sporting director (Michael Zorc) to their youth director (Lars Ricken). I'm not sure what "potentially excellent" players you are talking about, but Reyna is levels above "potentially excellent." Further, other NYCFC players have been promoted to first team and Scally is following in Reyna's path to the Bundesliga once he turns 18. So, it seems like NYCFC has no problem recognizing and promoting the very top talent it has.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looking for $ for a kid they did nothing for. If anything they held him back. Seems like they do that to a lot of kids. Heard stories about the way they hold certain players back. Funny they don’t seem to be after $ for Gio Reyna

Reyna is a fantastic player and clearly has the ability but it is 100% true that NYCFC bent over backwards to accommodate him and has screwed over a lot of potentially excellent players at the same time. Even at that level, connections do count for a lot more than people realize.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 10:39 AM
Conveniently he left right before they asked players to sign the compensation papers. I must say for a talented player a lot of thing conveniently fell into place for him. Where do you think he would be right now if not for his last name ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 11:43 AM
“Gio Reyna started and scored for 2020 Bundesliga runner-up Borussia Dortmund to earn kicker’s Bundesliga team of the week honors”
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 12:06 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Conveniently he left right before they asked players to sign the compensation papers. I must say for a talented player a lot of thing conveniently fell into place for him. Where do you think he would be right now if not for his last name ?

You sound very bitter. Stop complaining and lets enjoy watching him progress. He's going to be some player!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 12:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Conveniently he left right before they asked players to sign the compensation papers. I must say for a talented player a lot of thing conveniently fell into place for him. Where do you think he would be right now if not for his last name ?

Regardless of his last name, he still had to prove he is worthy-(personally I do not like his game, but that's just my opinion) Any dad or mom would put there kid at an advantage and do everything they can
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 12:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

This happens in a lot of European countries too especially as soccer is now in a counter-attacking, pressing, physical tactical stage in response to the tiki-take Barca/Spain style that dominated last decade. Look at most top national and domestic teams now and you do not see many small players, especially in midfield, as you did 10 years ago. I am sure the cycle will swing back but for now this is where we are.

Modric, Coutinho, Veratti, that is just to name a few at 5'8'' or less
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 04:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

This happens in a lot of European countries too especially as soccer is now in a counter-attacking, pressing, physical tactical stage in response to the tiki-take Barca/Spain style that dominated last decade. Look at most top national and domestic teams now and you do not see many small players, especially in midfield, as you did 10 years ago. I am sure the cycle will swing back but for now this is where we are.

Modric, Coutinho, Veratti, that is just to name a few at 5'8'' or less

All fantastic players, but can you imagine the US producing that type of technical midfield talent?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

This happens in a lot of European countries too especially as soccer is now in a counter-attacking, pressing, physical tactical stage in response to the tiki-take Barca/Spain style that dominated last decade. Look at most top national and domestic teams now and you do not see many small players, especially in midfield, as you did 10 years ago. I am sure the cycle will swing back but for now this is where we are.

Modric, Coutinho, Veratti, that is just to name a few at 5'8'' or less

All fantastic players, but can you imagine the US producing that type of technical midfield talent?

The way we produce players in the US? Absolutely not. Maybe once in a blue moon but that player will end up in Europe. But, we can all dream of it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 05:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Conveniently he left right before they asked players to sign the compensation papers. I must say for a talented player a lot of thing conveniently fell into place for him. Where do you think he would be right now if not for his last name ?
This sounds like the frustrated dad from Met Oval then NYCFC B2000/2001 from a few years back. His son was cut and he's bitter. Go back to your construction biz.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

This happens in a lot of European countries too especially as soccer is now in a counter-attacking, pressing, physical tactical stage in response to the tiki-take Barca/Spain style that dominated last decade. Look at most top national and domestic teams now and you do not see many small players, especially in midfield, as you did 10 years ago. I am sure the cycle will swing back but for now this is where we are.

Modric, Coutinho, Veratti, that is just to name a few at 5'8'' or less

Last of a dying breed. Soccer will be dominated by huge athletes for the next 10 years. We'll not see another Iniesta for a long long time.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 06:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Last of a dying breed. Soccer will be dominated by huge athletes for the next 10 years. We'll not see another Iniesta for a long long time.

That assumes that current priorities morph into a more physical game but that is hard to predict. The game was way more physical back in the 90s and early 00's before barcelona came along. Things go in cycles, so it bears considering that we could right now be at the middle or even tail end of the gegenpress style of play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 07:48 PM
It’s fine that they stacked the deck for him but why make other players who leave have to deal with the compensation. Why make a team from England pay compensation for another player. That could actually stop a team from taking a kid
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 07:55 PM
So you don’t think there’s politics in mls soccer. Bradley was already mentioned. How about Berhalter and a bunch of other players whose dads were players and now coaches. In other sports you rarely see players kids also become pros but in mls it seems like all former player/ coaches kids make it. Just my take
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Conveniently he left right before they asked players to sign the compensation papers. I must say for a talented player a lot of thing conveniently fell into place for him. Where do you think he would be right now if not for his last name ?
This sounds like the frustrated dad from Met Oval then NYCFC B2000/2001 from a few years back. His son was cut and he's bitter. Go back to your construction biz.

I do not know who you are referring to, but I have heard this from a few dad's with kids at top level. Their kids have moved on and they are top talent, D1 full rides, as well as South American National Team tryouts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/22/20 11:20 PM
D1 full ride is not top talent, neither is random South American Youth National Team tryouts. Dortmund is top level. Gladbach/Bundesliga (where Scally is going) is top level league. Again, these other NYSC alumni just don't measure up, just like they didn't when they were all at NYCFC.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Conveniently he left right before they asked players to sign the compensation papers. I must say for a talented player a lot of thing conveniently fell into place for him. Where do you think he would be right now if not for his last name ?
This sounds like the frustrated dad from Met Oval then NYCFC B2000/2001 from a few years back. His son was cut and he's bitter. Go back to your construction biz.

I do not know who you are referring to, but I have heard this from a few dad's with kids at top level. Their kids have moved on and they are top talent, D1 full rides, as well as South American National Team tryouts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 01:25 AM
Yes they’re top talent because they performed so incredibly at the u17 World Cup. The golden boy was sulking and the gladbach kid got beat like a drum. And when did hlasbach become elite?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 02:29 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they’re top talent because they performed so incredibly at the u17 World Cup. The golden boy was sulking and the gladbach kid got beat like a drum. And when did hlasbach become elite?

Jealous much?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 04:09 AM
LOL. It's amazing the amount of jealousy and cries of "nepotism" and "he's only there because of his last name" Gio Reyna gets. I remember when he was named to NYCFC first academy team at the age of 12 and all the haters were out in full force. He immediately started scoring goals, but the haters were never deterred. Now, it's just hilarious. The kid is 17 and starting for Dortmund! He's obviously as immensely talented soccer player. That's not his name out there playing the game. Rather than focusing on nepotism and favors, it would make more sense to acknowledge the fact that when your dad is a former soccer pro and a soccer executive and your mom is a former USWNT player, you: (1) likely have good natural aptitude for soccer; (2) are well set up to learn soccer and develop skills from the earliest ages at birth; and (3) can get really good guidance on how to navigate the path to becoming a soccer pro. LOL. All these sore dads want to think that if only little Johnny had a chance he could have been that great too. LOL.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes they’re top talent because they performed so incredibly at the u17 World Cup. The golden boy was sulking and the gladbach kid got beat like a drum. And when did hlasbach become elite?

Jealous much?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 10:21 AM
This happens in a lot of European countries too especially as soccer is now in a counter-attacking, pressing, physical tactical stage in response to the tiki-take Barca/Spain style that dominated last decade. Look at most top national and domestic teams now and you do not see many small players, especially in midfield, as you did 10 years ago. I am sure the cycle will swing back but for now this is where we are.[/quote]

Modric, Coutinho, Veratti, that is just to name a few at 5'8'' or less[/quote]

Nobody said there aren't some great small players. Thiago is also small. The point is that there are fewer of these types of players in the game today especially in midfield where they used to be quite common. The tactical changes in football have led many managers to prefer bigger, faster players and many smaller, technical changes will be missed out on by academy scouts which is unfortunate.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 10:27 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So you don’t think there’s politics in mls soccer. Bradley was already mentioned. How about Berhalter and a bunch of other players whose dads were players and now coaches. In other sports you rarely see players kids also become pros but in mls it seems like all former player/ coaches kids make it. Just my take

Are you joking??? Plenty of pro players' kids become pro players in other sports. Grant Hill, Barry Bonds, Brett Hull, Ken Griffey Jr., Stephen Curry, Moises Alou, Vlad Guerrero Jr., Boones, Brent Barry, the Mannings, and these are just the very famous ones I can think of off the top of my head. Why do you think soccer should or would be different?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 12:04 PM
You came up with names in 3 other sports over different generations. Take a look at mls soccer only and you will see a bunch of kids the same age that have dads who were former players and now coach. All went through almost the exact same path. Mls academy then signed or did 1 yr of college and signed. In fact on one mls game the announcers actually made mention of it. Btw the other professional leagues are much bigger than tiny mls in terms of number of players in the league
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 12:08 PM
Come to think of it I don’t see any kids of former European players making it to the top leagues. Why is that?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In addition, just in my opinion there is an over emphasis on just being an athlete in American soccer. I have seen kids with more talent and tactics get overlooked in favor of kids with less talent, but they are faster or bigger. Just go watch some of the tournament that involve youth from other countries, and you can see this firsthand. I watched a u12 tournament that had 8 MLS teams and 8 international teams and for the most part the American teams where running around like chickens with their heads cut off while the international teams played calm tactical soccer. There is always going to be obstacles and I agree for American soccer to get better a lot must change bit that cannot happen if folks are just fighting rather than having an actual conversation.

This happens in a lot of European countries too especially as soccer is now in a counter-attacking, pressing, physical tactical stage in response to the tiki-take Barca/Spain style that dominated last decade. Look at most top national and domestic teams now and you do not see many small players, especially in midfield, as you did 10 years ago. I am sure the cycle will swing back but for now this is where we are.

Modric, Coutinho, Veratti, that is just to name a few at 5'8'' or less

All fantastic players, but can you imagine the US producing that type of technical midfield talent?

The last I checked Christian Pulisic is 5'8"
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Come to think of it I don’t see any kids of former European players making it to the top leagues. Why is that?

You have no idea what you are talking about. The game in Europe is full of players with famous ex-player fathers. Here's a few just off the top of my head.

Haaland
Kluivart
Thuram
Weah
Simeone
Hagi
Chiesa
Maldini x3
Blind
Lampard
Oxlaid-Chamberlain
Thiago
Schmeichel

In fact I'd bet most top teams in Europe have at least 1 player whose father was a pro. And as someone above pointed out, this gave their sons the ideal environment + genes to develop their talent. But this doesn't mean they don't deserve it. Stop whining about your son being cheated and move on.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Come to think of it I don’t see any kids of former European players making it to the top leagues. Why is that?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Come to think of it I don’t see any kids of former European players making it to the top leagues. Why is that?

It’s because you don’t know anything about soccer or you’d know there are tons of examples and that in fact it is common .

Ever heard of Gio Reyna’s huge Norwegian teammate ? Look up who his dad is .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 03:32 PM
Frank Lampard, Jordi Cryuff, Thiago Alcantara, Paoli Maldini, Kasper Schemeichel, Jaime Redknapp, Daley Blind, Erling Halaand, Tim Weah are all sons of former professional footballers. Those are just the ones off the top of my head and I am sure they are a ton of others.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 03:46 PM
Your naming players from the rest of the world over the last 20-30 yrs. I’m talking about the USA over the last 3-5 yrs. compare apples to apples. How many people play in mls compared to how many play across Europe which most countries also have more than 1 league
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Your naming players from the rest of the world over the last 20-30 yrs. I’m talking about the USA over the last 3-5 yrs. compare apples to apples. How many people play in mls compared to how many play across Europe which most countries also have more than 1 league

Go ask your son. I bet he knows more about soccer than you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 07:29 PM
Keep cling you the thought that your son is an elite player cause hes at a mls club. How much did it cost u
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
D1 full ride is not top talent, neither is random South American Youth National Team tryouts. Dortmund is top level. Gladbach/Bundesliga (where Scally is going) is top level league. Again, these other NYSC alumni just don't measure up, just like they didn't when they were all at NYCFC.
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Conveniently he left right before they asked players to sign the compensation papers. I must say for a talented player a lot of thing conveniently fell into place for him. Where do you think he would be right now if not for his last name ?
This sounds like the frustrated dad from Met Oval then NYCFC B2000/2001 from a few years back. His son was cut and he's bitter. Go back to your construction biz.

I do not know who you are referring to, but I have heard this from a few dad's with kids at top level. Their kids have moved on and they are top talent, D1 full rides, as well as South American National Team tryouts

YOU are probably part of the elitist party. Whether you have major connections in soccer, maybe at the MLS, or some fancy banker or a lawyer who charges people $500 an hour. That is obvious by your statement and your elitist attitude. I would think more kids in the US become professional soccer players after college then a few with connections before college. Also you belittle foreign national team tryouts, did you ever hear of Trinidad and Tobago, LOL. Go drink your $90 bottle of wine and have a overpriced cigar
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 07:31 PM
Everyone knows that Reyna is good but if he didn’t have his dad behind him he would be just another player while at the academy. Dad opened the door but he has made the most of the opportunity
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 07:33 PM
U must be the only idiot around who thinks the mls academy is legit. The national team is by far worse now than in the 90”s. The academy was a failure cause it is all political. More so at nycfc
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 07:48 PM
The last I checked Christian Pulisic is 5'8"[/quote]

Nobody is saying there are no exceptional players who are small especially if they are as fast as Pulisic . The issue is more about smaller kids being overlooked for bigger more athletic kids by academies . Obviously there are exceptions - but not as many as there used to be .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep cling you the thought that your son is an elite player cause hes at a mls club. How much did it cost u


Nothing. It's totally free.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 11:00 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
U must be the only idiot around who thinks the mls academy is legit. The national team is by far worse now than in the 90”s. The academy was a failure cause it is all political. More so at nycfc

But if your kid was still there it would all be ok right? Get over yourself. Time to move on.

The MLS may be garbage, but the european based US youngsters about to break into the national team look great to me! Best generation of talent I can remember.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 11:13 PM
I guess u have amnesia
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/23/20 11:32 PM
If the better players don't play against players that are better than them what is the point
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/24/20 11:32 AM
Gio Reyna and Weston McKinnie might turn out the best of the bunch and they are not small lads.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/24/20 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep cling you the thought that your son is an elite player cause hes at a mls club. How much did it cost u


Nothing. It's totally free.
There is nothing free my friend
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/24/20 03:09 PM
He gave up his self respect
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/24/20 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gio Reyna and Weston McKinnie might turn out the best of the bunch and they are not small lads.

FYI, Gio getting interest from Liverpool
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/24/20 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He gave up his self respect

Lmbo hilarious, kids soccer is no joke
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/24/20 06:53 PM
Of course he is. He has a team of people working on his behalf. He is good but do you think he would have made it this far if he had no connections. He has made the most of the opportunity his dad afforded home
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/25/20 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course he is. He has a team of people working on his behalf. He is good but do you think he would have made it this far if he had no connections. He has made the most of the opportunity his dad afforded home

I remember seeing a little kid play with the NYCFC academy about 5 years ago. He looked like he was running the game. 5 seconds ahead of other bigger stronger faster kids, great technique and composure. I asked the local DA coach who he was. He said, 'Take a good look. That's what a future professional soccer player looks like.'
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/25/20 03:42 PM
Of course they said that They were employed by his dad.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/25/20 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course he is. He has a team of people working on his behalf. He is good but do you think he would have made it this far if he had no connections. He has made the most of the opportunity his dad afforded home

I remember seeing a little kid play with the NYCFC academy about 5 years ago. He looked like he was running the game. 5 seconds ahead of other bigger stronger faster kids, great technique and composure. I asked the local DA coach who he was. He said, 'Take a good look. That's what a future professional soccer player looks like.'
And where is this kid now? If some DA coach says to me "that's what a future professional soccer player looks like" I will just laugh a bit. If he says instead, "that's what a potential future soccer player looks like", then I would take it more seriously and keep an eye out because the DA coach is being realistic.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/25/20 04:52 PM
Gio is fantastic and yes, his dad got him that extra help. He was always going to be a pro. The support and help from dad are why he's on a UCL team at 17. Otherwise he's a homegrown NYCFC or Red Bulls player, trying to crack an MLS lineup (MLS teams dont give kids playing time) and get to Europe in a few years. That is what dad did for him. The main thing is that dad cant help him now, and right now this kid delivers and he's going to be awesome for USMNT.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/25/20 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Of course he is. He has a team of people working on his behalf. He is good but do you think he would have made it this far if he had no connections. He has made the most of the opportunity his dad afforded home

I remember seeing a little kid play with the NYCFC academy about 5 years ago. He looked like he was running the game. 5 seconds ahead of other bigger stronger faster kids, great technique and composure. I asked the local DA coach who he was. He said, 'Take a good look. That's what a future professional soccer player looks like.'
And where is this kid now? If some DA coach says to me "that's what a future professional soccer player looks like" I will just laugh a bit. If he says instead, "that's what a potential future soccer player looks like", then I would take it more seriously and keep an eye out because the DA coach is being realistic.

Where is he now? He's 17 years old and he starts for Borussia Dortmund.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/25/20 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gio is fantastic and yes, his dad got him that extra help. He was always going to be a pro. The support and help from dad are why he's on a UCL team at 17. Otherwise he's a homegrown NYCFC or Red Bulls player, trying to crack an MLS lineup (MLS teams dont give kids playing time) and get to Europe in a few years. That is what dad did for him. The main thing is that dad cant help him now, and right now this kid delivers and he's going to be awesome for USMNT.
I like what you wrote here. But what is sad is the part about the USMNT. That should be a proud highlight for him but it's really a step backwards the way US Soccer is run. I'd love to see a really competitive USMNT but that isn't going to happen any time soon. 350M people in our country and we can't produce a competitive team on the International Level. SMH.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/26/20 12:50 PM
That’s the point. They have a few legit players and the rest are there due to politics. They went from Bradley to Trapp. The whole organization is a sham. They got rid of Klinsman because he wouldn’t play by there rules. Players like Bradley complained about a coach who has accomplished everything you can in soccer and the powers that be listened to these spoiled underachieving 2nd level type players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/26/20 12:55 PM
I’m confused. You are agreeing that his dad opened doors for him while other players got screwed and then u say he’s the greatest. So it’s ok that better players got pushed to the side due to nepotism. Is it possible that these players who got pushed to the side could be doing great things also? Maybe if the academy acted in those other kids best interest they would be in the same position. Just wondering
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/26/20 02:41 PM
We need a new forum topic.

THE BITTER DADS WHO'S KIDS DIDN'T MAKE IT JUST BECAUSE OF POLITICS SUPPORT GROUP

Seems like there are lots of you out there
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/26/20 02:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That’s the point. They have a few legit players and the rest are there due to politics. They went from Bradley to Trapp. The whole organization is a sham. They got rid of Klinsman because he wouldn’t play by there rules. Players like Bradley complained about a coach who has accomplished everything you can in soccer and the powers that be listened to these spoiled underachieving 2nd level type players.

Great post, I could never figure out the Klinsman thing. How obvious, duh
Posted By: Falcon Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/27/20 03:20 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gio is fantastic and yes, his dad got him that extra help. He was always going to be a pro. The support and help from dad are why he's on a UCL team at 17. Otherwise he's a homegrown NYCFC or Red Bulls player, trying to crack an MLS lineup (MLS teams dont give kids playing time) and get to Europe in a few years. That is what dad did for him. The main thing is that dad cant help him now, and right now this kid delivers and he's going to be awesome for USMNT.
I like what you wrote here. But what is sad is the part about the USMNT. That should be a proud highlight for him but it's really a step backwards the way US Soccer is run. I'd love to see a really competitive USMNT but that isn't going to happen any time soon. 350M people in our country and we can't produce a competitive team on the International Level. SMH.....

Yep. We can’t develop world class
Players let alone a team. Pulisic had an “unconventional” route
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/27/20 07:14 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That’s the point. They have a few legit players and the rest are there due to politics. They went from Bradley to Trapp. The whole organization is a sham. They got rid of Klinsman because he wouldn’t play by there rules. Players like Bradley complained about a coach who has accomplished everything you can in soccer and the powers that be listened to these spoiled underachieving 2nd level type players.

Klinsmann is a terrible manager. Great player who became a con artist. Should have never gotten the job in the first place and set us back.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/27/20 02:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That’s the point. They have a few legit players and the rest are there due to politics. They went from Bradley to Trapp. The whole organization is a sham. They got rid of Klinsman because he wouldn’t play by there rules. Players like Bradley complained about a coach who has accomplished everything you can in soccer and the powers that be listened to these spoiled underachieving 2nd level type players.

Klinsmann is a terrible manager. Great player who became a con artist. Should have never gotten the job in the first place and set us back.

How did he set us back? By playing half the crap they still play/played ? I look forward to your thoughts on this.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/27/20 02:52 PM
Klimsmann was starting to change the culture just didnt have the players. American soccer is about being strong , fast and athletic. European soccer has more of a mental , creative aspect. The kids we have in europe now are learning real soccer Which is why playets like pulisic, reyna etc will make the national team better. They wont learn much from coaches like bradley. We need coaches to teach the game
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/27/20 06:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That’s the point. They have a few legit players and the rest are there due to politics. They went from Bradley to Trapp. The whole organization is a sham. They got rid of Klinsman because he wouldn’t play by there rules. Players like Bradley complained about a coach who has accomplished everything you can in soccer and the powers that be listened to these spoiled underachieving 2nd level type players.

Klinsmann is a terrible manager. Great player who became a con artist. Should have never gotten the job in the first place and set us back.

How did he set us back? By playing half the crap they still play/played ? I look forward to your thoughts on this.

He played players out of position all the time, had some embarrassing losses, didn't take Donovan to the World Cup, tactically terrible, and many other issues. He probably had a lot of good ideas on how to reform soccer in the U.S., but that isn't the job of the National Team manager, that is the job for a technical director or whatever. He sucked.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/27/20 06:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Klimsmann was starting to change the culture just didnt have the players. American soccer is about being strong , fast and athletic. European soccer has more of a mental , creative aspect. The kids we have in europe now are learning real soccer Which is why playets like pulisic, reyna etc will make the national team better. They wont learn much from coaches like bradley. We need coaches to teach the game

How did he change the culture exactly?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/27/20 08:40 PM
Scores from the weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/27/20 10:00 PM
Look let's face it - developing WC talent will only happen if there is incentive to do so, and even with the signing on to the FIFA rules for player compensation, it aint' happening here in the good ol' US of A. MLS is a monopolistic cabal that effectively owns the USNT (through the SUM marketing and distribution revenue). Sure, USSF, and by extension SUM and MLS could make a little more if our MNT teams were more effective, but really they are banking on not having such disasterous luck in the CONCACAF hex again. They'll make it just good enough to get through to the WC proper, take their $$, and give a carp about winning. Also, no offence to Jurgen et al, but after reading "Das Reboot", he sorta sucks and my big takeaway is you win the WC when you have the luck of the talent coming together at the same time (France, Germany, Spain, Brasil, etc). The game today is all about big $$, big transfers and big risk and the USA has decided to play small ball... it's not bad business - the buy-in for new MLS franchises is ~$200mm - think of that as their Series E venture capital round -- implies the total post-money valuation of the whole biz (MLS, which owns the teams and a % of SUM) is $6bn (30 clubs X $200mm). Total estimated value of PL is ~$9.5bn(1) - top clubs obvs very valuable but drops off quick because of pro/rel. So, to protect their franchises and value, MLS pays crap to players, isn't a top 20 club in the world (nor will it ever will be), and has an "academy" that any other country in the world would laff at. It's really too bad - we all know we could compete with Europe if we gave a damn, but unfortunately the writing is on the wall. I think the kids coming up are great, but please, look at the young French, Germans, Italians and English and tell me we're even playing the same game. Sorry for the rant.

(1) https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1. This is obviously woefully low, given the recent Man City/CFG investment by Silver Lake valuing the biz at ~$5bn, but that also includes the entire CFG biz (which, ironically, includes NYCFC)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/28/20 12:08 AM
US soccer is run by people with absolute knowledge of soccer. Klinsman was not a politician and the did not play nice in the sandbox. The players Complained because he didn’t care what they thought he should do. Just look at Bradley ( biggest whiner of the bunch, probably wanted daddy to coach). Klinsman actually wanted the academy to run properly not politically
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/28/20 12:50 PM
Said he was starting to, not he did. He was teaching more of a mental game. My opinion im sure not everyone will agree. I saw a difference between a klimsman team amd a bradley/arena team. Again, just my opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/28/20 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Klimsmann was starting to change the culture just didnt have the players. American soccer is about being strong , fast and athletic. European soccer has more of a mental , creative aspect. The kids we have in europe now are learning real soccer Which is why playets like pulisic, reyna etc will make the national team better. They wont learn much from coaches like bradley. We need coaches to teach the game
The U.S should encourage more creative play, more 5v5 futsal at early ages so players can learn how to make the ball a "part" of them. Just look at the South American players style of play.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/28/20 01:23 PM
What NY teams are in this league
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/28/20 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Scores from the weekend?

Look up...the link is on top under the sponsor banners.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/28/20 06:17 PM
Who cares. It’s a glorified travel league. Parents paying top dollar for nothing
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/29/20 12:19 AM
what league would you suggest is better.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/29/20 02:18 AM
U can do any league. At this point they r all the same.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/29/20 11:48 AM
You are a clown, let's take the 2005 age group as an example, name a better team Cedar Stars Bergen that plays in EDP or ECNL - the silence is deafening because you one does not exist. Let's take the 2004 age group, name a better team than Met Oval, once again you can not. There are some decent one off teams at other clubs but top to bottom across all age groups the ECNL and EDP clubs can not compete with the old DA teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/29/20 12:06 PM
You are the idiot. Can cedar stars play met oval right now ? No they can’t , so right now you will play the same teams over and over. They are not even keeping a record of the games. And lastly there are plenty of teams out there that not only could keep up with the teams you mentioned but would beat them. Get out of your bubble. That’s what I’ll call you from now on, Bubble boy
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/29/20 12:09 PM
U r wrong,one da team here and one da team there does not make a better league ,and the coaching ain't that good and mls not much better
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/29/20 12:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are the idiot. Can cedar stars play met oval right now ? No they can’t , so right now you will play the same teams over and over. They are not even keeping a record of the games. And lastly there are plenty of teams out there that not only could keep up with the teams you mentioned but would beat them. Get out of your bubble. That’s what I’ll call you from now on, Bubble boy

hmm- can cedar stars play met oval? yes
are they keeping records of the games? yes - link on top of this page

I’m not your Bubble Boy but I’ve seen a lot of teams and leagues and would be interested in what teams you are thinking of?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/29/20 12:25 PM
MLS league is clearly the best overall league for boys soccer. Does that mean there arent good teams in BECNL or EDP that can beat some MLS league teams? Of course not. But the overall league experience and average quality of play across teams in the MLS league is the highest we have. Just because some 'as good or better' teams exist outside of the league does not negate that MLS League is the best organized competition.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/29/20 01:33 PM
Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/29/20 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

RB or NYCFC 2005s. light years ahead of all non MLS teams. if your kid is not playing mls academy your wasting your $4,000 per year take that $ and invest in a college fund
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/29/20 11:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

RB or NYCFC 2005s. light years ahead of all non MLS teams. if your kid is not playing mls academy your wasting your $4,000 per year take that $ and invest in a college fund

And if your kid is playing on a MLS team you are wasting your gas money, chances are HE won't make it either
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/30/20 02:19 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

RB or NYCFC 2005s. light years ahead of all non MLS teams. if your kid is not playing mls academy your wasting your $4,000 per year take that $ and invest in a college fund

i do laugh at the comparisons to non DA- At the HS ages you are most likely paying 2k for spring training and games- at least with the academies you are getting a fall, winter, and spring with 2 seasons, tournaments, and 4x/week training.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/30/20 11:21 AM
Of course RB and NYCFC are better than the non-MLS teams, that was not the point. However the Red Bull's made a curios decision by taking a kid who could not start on the Bergen u17 team but somehow is good enough for Red Bull's u17? Go Figure. The point was name an ECNL or EDP team at 2005 that can compete with the best 2005 Bergen team - I do not think one exists.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/30/20 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

RB or NYCFC 2005s. light years ahead of all non MLS teams. if your kid is not playing mls academy your wasting your $4,000 per year take that $ and invest in a college fund
Are you following the discussion? The ask was for the person arguing there are NON-DA teams that were better than Bergen?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 09/30/20 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

who cares. Big Fish in a tiny pond
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/01/20 01:03 AM
That's the point big fish that's not da or mls
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/01/20 02:22 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

RB or NYCFC 2005s. light years ahead of all non MLS teams. if your kid is not playing mls academy your wasting your $4,000 per year take that $ and invest in a college fund

And if your kid is playing on a MLS team you are wasting your gas money, chances are HE won't make it either

Very true but he will have 20 times more of a chance than your kid and he's not paying for it
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/01/20 04:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look let's face it - developing WC talent will only happen if there is incentive to do so, and even with the signing on to the FIFA rules for player compensation, it aint' happening here in the good ol' US of A. MLS is a monopolistic cabal that effectively owns the USNT (through the SUM marketing and distribution revenue). Sure, USSF, and by extension SUM and MLS could make a little more if our MNT teams were more effective, but really they are banking on not having such disasterous luck in the CONCACAF hex again. They'll make it just good enough to get through to the WC proper, take their $$, and give a carp about winning. Also, no offence to Jurgen et al, but after reading "Das Reboot", he sorta sucks and my big takeaway is you win the WC when you have the luck of the talent coming together at the same time (France, Germany, Spain, Brasil, etc). The game today is all about big $$, big transfers and big risk and the USA has decided to play small ball... it's not bad business - the buy-in for new MLS franchises is ~$200mm - think of that as their Series E venture capital round -- implies the total post-money valuation of the whole biz (MLS, which owns the teams and a % of SUM) is $6bn (30 clubs X $200mm). Total estimated value of PL is ~$9.5bn(1) - top clubs obvs very valuable but drops off quick because of pro/rel. So, to protect their franchises and value, MLS pays crap to players, isn't a top 20 club in the world (nor will it ever will be), and has an "academy" that any other country in the world would laff at. It's really too bad - we all know we could compete with Europe if we gave a damn, but unfortunately the writing is on the wall. I think the kids coming up are great, but please, look at the young French, Germans, Italians and English and tell me we're even playing the same game. Sorry for the rant.

(1) https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1. This is obviously woefully low, given the recent Man City/CFG investment by Silver Lake valuing the biz at ~$5bn, but that also includes the entire CFG biz (which, ironically, includes NYCFC)

The answer is skip the MLS and move to europe to develop your talent. Sergiño Dest just signed for Barcelona. With Reyna, Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams all 21 or under the US has the core of a great generation of talent coming through. Now we just need to replace that clown of a coach, preferably with a non-US model.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 01:59 AM
What’s your opinion of Filippo and Giuseppe moving to Europe to coach ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look let's face it - developing WC talent will only happen if there is incentive to do so, and even with the signing on to the FIFA rules for player compensation, it aint' happening here in the good ol' US of A. MLS is a monopolistic cabal that effectively owns the USNT (through the SUM marketing and distribution revenue). Sure, USSF, and by extension SUM and MLS could make a little more if our MNT teams were more effective, but really they are banking on not having such disasterous luck in the CONCACAF hex again. They'll make it just good enough to get through to the WC proper, take their $$, and give a carp about winning. Also, no offence to Jurgen et al, but after reading "Das Reboot", he sorta sucks and my big takeaway is you win the WC when you have the luck of the talent coming together at the same time (France, Germany, Spain, Brasil, etc). The game today is all about big $$, big transfers and big risk and the USA has decided to play small ball... it's not bad business - the buy-in for new MLS franchises is ~$200mm - think of that as their Series E venture capital round -- implies the total post-money valuation of the whole biz (MLS, which owns the teams and a % of SUM) is $6bn (30 clubs X $200mm). Total estimated value of PL is ~$9.5bn(1) - top clubs obvs very valuable but drops off quick because of pro/rel. So, to protect their franchises and value, MLS pays crap to players, isn't a top 20 club in the world (nor will it ever will be), and has an "academy" that any other country in the world would laff at. It's really too bad - we all know we could compete with Europe if we gave a damn, but unfortunately the writing is on the wall. I think the kids coming up are great, but please, look at the young French, Germans, Italians and English and tell me we're even playing the same game. Sorry for the rant.

(1) https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1. This is obviously woefully low, given the recent Man City/CFG investment by Silver Lake valuing the biz at ~$5bn, but that also includes the entire CFG biz (which, ironically, includes NYCFC)

The answer is skip the MLS and move to europe to develop your talent. Sergiño Dest just signed for Barcelona. With Reyna, Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams all 21 or under the US has the core of a great generation of talent coming through. Now we just need to replace that clown of a coach, preferably with a non-US model.

This is spot on. You do not need to be recognized here if you are good enough to TRY OUT in Europe. Many more oppurtunities in Europe, people who have not conned their way into the US system all work on their ancestry and getting that EU passport. There are many paths if you are willing to keep working. The US/MLS is simply not interested in cultivating a large amount of US citizen talent. Does not work out for their profit margin.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 01:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look let's face it - developing WC talent will only happen if there is incentive to do so, and even with the signing on to the FIFA rules for player compensation, it aint' happening here in the good ol' US of A. MLS is a monopolistic cabal that effectively owns the USNT (through the SUM marketing and distribution revenue). Sure, USSF, and by extension SUM and MLS could make a little more if our MNT teams were more effective, but really they are banking on not having such disasterous luck in the CONCACAF hex again. They'll make it just good enough to get through to the WC proper, take their $$, and give a carp about winning. Also, no offence to Jurgen et al, but after reading "Das Reboot", he sorta sucks and my big takeaway is you win the WC when you have the luck of the talent coming together at the same time (France, Germany, Spain, Brasil, etc). The game today is all about big $$, big transfers and big risk and the USA has decided to play small ball... it's not bad business - the buy-in for new MLS franchises is ~$200mm - think of that as their Series E venture capital round -- implies the total post-money valuation of the whole biz (MLS, which owns the teams and a % of SUM) is $6bn (30 clubs X $200mm). Total estimated value of PL is ~$9.5bn(1) - top clubs obvs very valuable but drops off quick because of pro/rel. So, to protect their franchises and value, MLS pays crap to players, isn't a top 20 club in the world (nor will it ever will be), and has an "academy" that any other country in the world would laff at. It's really too bad - we all know we could compete with Europe if we gave a damn, but unfortunately the writing is on the wall. I think the kids coming up are great, but please, look at the young French, Germans, Italians and English and tell me we're even playing the same game. Sorry for the rant.

(1) https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1. This is obviously woefully low, given the recent Man City/CFG investment by Silver Lake valuing the biz at ~$5bn, but that also includes the entire CFG biz (which, ironically, includes NYCFC)

The answer is skip the MLS and move to europe to develop your talent. Sergiño Dest just signed for Barcelona. With Reyna, Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams all 21 or under the US has the core of a great generation of talent coming through. Now we just need to replace that clown of a coach, preferably with a non-US model.

This is spot on. You do not need to be recognized here if you are good enough to TRY OUT in Europe. Many more oppurtunities in Europe, people who have not conned their way into the US system all work on their ancestry and getting that EU passport. There are many paths if you are willing to keep working. The US/MLS is simply not interested in cultivating a large amount of US citizen talent. Does not work out for their profit margin.
I think that sums things up quite nicely.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 03:20 PM
How do you propose kids without a European passport can possibly take this “go to Europe” fantasy route to the pros ? The FIFA transfer rules are quite clear on banning international transfers between ages 10-18.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 03:31 PM
Dest : has ever even been to the U.S.? Born and raised in Netherlands.
Pulisic: Grew up in US and moved to Dortmund age 16 because he could get a Croatian (EU) passport . EU citizens can do international transfers at age 16. Developed in the US before that .
Adams: Moved to Europe at 20. Developed in the US.
McKennie: Moved to Europe at 18. Developed mostly in US but lived some as a kid in Germany as a young kid .

For the vast majority of American soccer players MLS is the best and only way to develop unless we will have a national team made of mostly dual nationals .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 03:54 PM
If the kid is good enough the foreign clubs will know by 16-18yrs old.
The transition from U18 to college or MLS then to Europe isn't likely.
Can the rookie of the year in MLS play in La Liga or Premier or Bundesliga?

MLS League is just a glorified old DA League its another reason why US Soccer isn't developing too many leagues we are a watered down for profit Soccer country.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you propose kids without a European passport can possibly take this “go to Europe” fantasy route to the pros ? The FIFA transfer rules are quite clear on banning international transfers between ages 10-18.

Not my problem, as they said in Braveheart “You’re F—-ed”. Working on it for my kid. Besides there are plenty of other places to play, Turkey China Australia New Zealand Korea, leagues all across the world if that is what your kid wants to do.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the kid is good enough the foreign clubs will know by 16-18yrs old.
The transition from U18 to college or MLS then to Europe isn't likely.
Can the rookie of the year in MLS play in La Liga or Premier or Bundesliga?

MLS League is just a glorified old DA League its another reason why US Soccer isn't developing too many leagues we are a watered down for profit Soccer country.

That’s great but they can’t transfer until their 18th birthday unless they have a way to get a European passport then they can in most cases not do it until their 16th birthday .

Also I really don’t think European clubs pay that much attention to American teenagers unless they are in youth national teams or really the very best players at an MLS academy .
Redbulls and NYCFC do have the plus of a connection with good European clubs .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 05:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you propose kids without a European passport can possibly take this “go to Europe” fantasy route to the pros ? The FIFA transfer rules are quite clear on banning international transfers between ages 10-18.

Not my problem, as they said in Braveheart “You’re F—-ed”. Working on it for my kid. Besides there are plenty of other places to play, Turkey China Australia New Zealand Korea, leagues all across the world if that is what your kid wants to do.

The FIFA rules apply to all countries not just the EU and none of the countries you mention are any better than the US at soccer development except maybe a couple clubs in Turkey .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 05:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dest : has ever even been to the U.S.? Born and raised in Netherlands.
Pulisic: Grew up in US and moved to Dortmund age 16 because he could get a Croatian (EU) passport . EU citizens can do international transfers at age 16. Developed in the US before that .
Adams: Moved to Europe at 20. Developed in the US.
McKennie: Moved to Europe at 18. Developed mostly in US but lived some as a kid in Germany as a young kid .

For the vast majority of American soccer players MLS is the best and only way to develop unless we will have a national team made of mostly dual nationals .

Its well documented most of the current US wunderkids in europe went regularly for tryouts and camps with clubs in europe. This was arranged through contacts. But as someone else has pointed out, there are plenty of scouts from european clubs here in the states. If your kid is good enough he will be scouted at an early age. But on the flipside your kid is NOT going to develop to their full potential playing here in the US. This is just the way it is, Europe is the primary destination for young Brazilian talent too, and they have a full soccer culture.
Bottom line: if your kid has not been picked up at 15 then the most you can hope for is an MLS contract.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 08:33 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the kid is good enough the foreign clubs will know by 16-18yrs old.
The transition from U18 to college or MLS then to Europe isn't likely.
Can the rookie of the year in MLS play in La Liga or Premier or Bundesliga?

MLS League is just a glorified old DA League its another reason why US Soccer isn't developing too many leagues we are a watered down for profit Soccer country.

That’s great but they can’t transfer until their 18th birthday unless they have a way to get a European passport then they can in most cases not do it until their 16th birthday .

Also I really don’t think European clubs pay that much attention to American teenagers unless they are in youth national teams or really the very best players at an MLS academy .
Redbulls and NYCFC do have the plus of a connection with good European clubs .

Hate to break it to you but if your kid is not at a MLS academy by 15 then maybe you should be thinking of college at best
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/02/20 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the kid is good enough the foreign clubs will know by 16-18yrs old.
The transition from U18 to college or MLS then to Europe isn't likely.
Can the rookie of the year in MLS play in La Liga or Premier or Bundesliga?

MLS League is just a glorified old DA League its another reason why US Soccer isn't developing too many leagues we are a watered down for profit Soccer country.

That’s great but they can’t transfer until their 18th birthday unless they have a way to get a European passport then they can in most cases not do it until their 16th birthday .

Also I really don’t think European clubs pay that much attention to American teenagers unless they are in youth national teams or really the very best players at an MLS academy .
Redbulls and NYCFC do have the plus of a connection with good European clubs .

Hate to break it to you but if your kid is not at a MLS academy by 15 then maybe you should be thinking of college at best

We will see
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/03/20 12:39 AM
Hate to break it to you but more than half the kids at a mls academy at 15 don’t make it to u19. Get over yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/03/20 09:52 AM
Hate to break it to you but most kids at any academy even in Europe never go pro . Academies are machines that take kids in and spit them out and every once in a while produce a good pro player .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/03/20 10:07 AM
In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/03/20 01:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
In Europe playing in an academy and not making it,gives you a sense of pride that you made it that far,here you feel that you failed,culture,lack of love for the game,what is in it for me and on and on,ridiculous from the top down
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/03/20 04:12 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
In Europe playing in an academy and not making it,gives you a sense of pride that you made it that far,here you feel that you failed,culture,lack of love for the game,what is in it for me and on and on,ridiculous from the top down

And 99% of them get a sense of failing when they are eventually cut and the realization that spent all their time pursuing football instead of other interests academic and otherwise. Do most of those academies prepare the kids for jobs other than football?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/03/20 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
In Europe playing in an academy and not making it,gives you a sense of pride that you made it that far,here you feel that you failed,culture,lack of love for the game,what is in it for me and on and on,ridiculous from the top down

And 99% of them get a sense of failing when they are eventually cut and the realization that spent all their time pursuing football instead of other interests academic and otherwise. Do most of those academies prepare the kids for jobs other than football?

And 99% of parents get a sense of being conned when they eventually add up how much they spent on little Johnnys soccer for 10 years, instead of using that $50,000 for his college fund
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/03/20 09:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
In Europe playing in an academy and not making it,gives you a sense of pride that you made it that far,here you feel that you failed,culture,lack of love for the game,what is in it for me and on and on,ridiculous from the top down

And 99% of them get a sense of failing when they are eventually cut and the realization that spent all their time pursuing football instead of other interests academic and otherwise. Do most of those academies prepare the kids for jobs other than football?

And 99% of parents get a sense of being conned when they eventually add up how much they spent on little Johnnys soccer for 10 years, instead of using that $50,000 for his
college fund

I thought we all are going to get college for free soon
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/04/20 09:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
In Europe playing in an academy and not making it,gives you a sense of pride that you made it that far,here you feel that you failed,culture,lack of love for the game,what is in it for me and on and on,ridiculous from the top down

And 99% of them get a sense of failing when they are eventually cut and the realization that spent all their time pursuing football instead of other interests academic and otherwise. Do most of those academies prepare the kids for jobs other than football?

And 99% of parents get a sense of being conned when they eventually add up how much they spent on little Johnnys soccer for 10 years, instead of using that $50,000 for his
college fund

I thought we all are going to get college for free soon

You say it like it is a bad thing .
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/04/20 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And 99% of parents get a sense of being conned when they eventually add up how much they spent on little Johnnys soccer for 10 years, instead of using that $50,000 for his
college fund


What's wrong with paying for little Johnny's soccer for 10 years? You sounds like 'financial adviser' who offers solutions like
. Don't pay for cable - you can save so much $$$ in 20 years
. For your vocations, no need to go oversees and learn about the world. Find some cheaper options and save money
. Don't buy expensive outfit, go to cheaper stores and save money
. and etc.

I am pretty sure most of the families understand what are the chances that their kids going to make to professional sport and still pay for their kids to have the best possible experience just because they love their kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/04/20 07:59 PM
You say it like it is a bad thing .[/quote]

And you say it like someone who won't be paying for it. But what the heck, suck the life out of the 1% and then when they are dead move to the next 1% if they haven't fled yet, right?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/04/20 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And 99% of parents get a sense of being conned when they eventually add up how much they spent on little Johnnys soccer for 10 years, instead of using that $50,000 for his
college fund


What's wrong with paying for little Johnny's soccer for 10 years? You sounds like 'financial adviser' who offers solutions like
. Don't pay for cable - you can save so much $$$ in 20 years
. For your vocations, no need to go oversees and learn about the world. Find some cheaper options and save money
. Don't buy expensive outfit, go to cheaper stores and save money
. and etc.

I am pretty sure most of the families understand what are the chances that their kids going to make to professional sport and still pay for their kids to have the best possible experience just because they love their kids.

MLS youth league the best possible experience? Keep writing those checks
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/04/20 11:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MLS youth league the best possible experience? Keep writing those checks

I didn't say it's best. But, it's one of the better once and it's close where we live. Can't complain about the club and the team. So, it works for us.
I am not telling you which league is better as it's mostly depends on the club and the team environment.
What I am trying to understand why are you so worried about how much others spend and which league other parents/players decided to join?
Focus on your kids.
P.S. Soccer is not main sport in US. So, it's a lot of things that could be improved. But again, all I want for my son who is playing now is to have the best possible experience.
A few years ago, during one of my son's tournament I spoke with a coach who brought for that tournament a few teams from Germany and two of his teams went to final (Surprise). He told me that you see those guys (U19), If one player from both team will make to their top league then it would be a success for his club.
So, personally, I don't see my son to be playing in MLS but it's his dream (for now) and as long as he is giving 100% I will support him and if cost slightly more than paying in other leagues and I can afford I pay.
Cheers!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/05/20 12:41 AM
And 99% of parents get a sense of being conned when they eventually add up how much they spent on little Johnnys soccer for 10 years, instead of using that $50,000 for his
college fund[/quote]

I thought we all are going to get college for free soon[/quote]

Haha good one
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/05/20 12:44 AM
MLS youth league the best possible experience? Keep writing those checks[/quote]

And which league does your kid play in that you believe is better?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/05/20 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MLS youth league the best possible experience? Keep writing those checks

And which league does your kid play in that you believe is better?[/quote]

AYSO
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/05/20 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MLS youth league the best possible experience? Keep writing those checks

And which league does your kid play in that you believe is better?

AYSO[/quote]

You are probably being sarcastic but imagine a word where the USSF provides a league like AYSO licensed, trained coaches. That would, indeed, be good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/05/20 07:34 PM
Does $4,000 a year should buy you the best? The best development opportunities, the best coaching, the best facilities and the best experience?

And so if you are only paying $1,000 a year then is your son only getting 25% the fun and development?

How much does it cost to play at non-MLS clubs in this MLS league?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/05/20 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does $4,000 a year should buy you the best? The best development opportunities, the best coaching, the best facilities and the best experience?

And so if you are only paying $1,000 a year then is your son only getting 25% the fun and development?

How much does it cost to play at non-MLS clubs in this MLS league?

Based on your questions I could tell that you have no idea how competitive soccer works unless you're messing around.
Yes, once you get accepted you get a list with of:
1. All MLS youth coaches ranking against your coach.
2. All soccer facilities around the country and again with ranking against the field(s) your team uses for practice and games
3. Detail spreadsheet with prorated fees based on how many practices and games your kid participates
4. Also, you get one free one-way ride to practice or a game per you choice

I hope this will satisfy you interest
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/06/20 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does $4,000 a year should buy you the best? The best development opportunities, the best coaching, the best facilities and the best experience?

And so if you are only paying $1,000 a year then is your son only getting 25% the fun and development?

How much does it cost to play at non-MLS clubs in this MLS league?

Based on your questions I could tell that you have no idea how competitive soccer works unless you're messing around.
Yes, once you get accepted you get a list with of:
1. All MLS youth coaches ranking against your coach.
2. All soccer facilities around the country and again with ranking against the field(s) your team uses for practice and games
3. Detail spreadsheet with prorated fees based on how many practices and games your kid participates
4. Also, you get one free one-way ride to practice or a game per you choice

I hope this will satisfy you interest


This is a serious question. How much is it to play in this league? $4,000 sounds like a lot of $ so is it worth it?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/06/20 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a serious question. How much is it to play in this league? $4,000 sounds like a lot of $ so is it worth it?

For this (crazy) year, for U16 age, my club charges $2800 + Uniform + TRAVEL ($$$)
In general, travel is where the expense is. It could cost you additional 3K and up. Not sure how it will be handled in the future as it looks like they are trying to figure out how to cut travel cost. I would guess it will be less travel as last year my son's team were looking to have 5-6 out of state trips.
For that many you get:
1. 4 practices a week and 1 game on the weekend (but not every weekend)
2. Out of 4 practices one practice is purely focus on conditioning
3. Beside primary coach with certain credentials club provides a few athletic trainers who only focus on athletic needs for kids
4. For the out of state trips, kids travel as a team on the bus or by the plane (part of the travel expense)
________________________________________________________
In my opinion, club is trying to introduce for kids an experience that you can call a professional experience.
With in the team is very competitive. You need to earn playing time and no matter how good you are and if you're not working hard during the practices you might loose your playing time to others very easily. If you miss practice without acceptable reason it impacts your playing time. You need to arrive 30-40 minutes before the practice and be ready for the practice the 1st minute it starts. It's very hard to sell an excuse like "sorry coach, my dad/mom was late from work today so I am late for practice"
My son loves it.
It's not all perfect but it looks cool. BTW, I am not having dreams that my son will be professional player and I am making sure he is a good student, which is very hard considering how much time he is giving to soccer. In my family we a have a rule that education is a 1st priority no matter what.
So, I think it's worth it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/06/20 09:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a serious question. How much is it to play in this league? $4,000 sounds like a lot of $ so is it worth it?

For this (crazy) year, for U16 age, my club charges $2800 + Uniform + TRAVEL ($$$)
In general, travel is where the expense is. It could cost you additional 3K and up. Not sure how it will be handled in the future as it looks like they are trying to figure out how to cut travel cost. I would guess it will be less travel as last year my son's team were looking to have 5-6 out of state trips.
For that many you get:
1. 4 practices a week and 1 game on the weekend (but not every weekend)
2. Out of 4 practices one practice is purely focus on conditioning
3. Beside primary coach with certain credentials club provides a few athletic trainers who only focus on athletic needs for kids
4. For the out of state trips, kids travel as a team on the bus or by the plane (part of the travel expense)
________________________________________________________
In my opinion, club is trying to introduce for kids an experience that you can call a professional experience.
With in the team is very competitive. You need to earn playing time and no matter how good you are and if you're not working hard during the practices you might loose your playing time to others very easily. If you miss practice without acceptable reason it impacts your playing time. You need to arrive 30-40 minutes before the practice and be ready for the practice the 1st minute it starts. It's very hard to sell an excuse like "sorry coach, my dad/mom was late from work today so I am late for practice"
My son loves it.
It's not all perfect but it looks cool. BTW, I am not having dreams that my son will be professional player and I am making sure he is a good student, which is very hard considering how much time he is giving to soccer. In my family we a have a rule that education is a 1st priority no matter what.
So, I think it's worth it.


What club is this? Westchester FC charge 3500 + uniform + travel they only train 3 x per week
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/07/20 04:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What club is this? Westchester FC charge 3500 + uniform + travel they only train 3 x per week

I am from NorCal region
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/07/20 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a serious question. How much is it to play in this league? $4,000 sounds like a lot of $ so is it worth it?

For this (crazy) year, for U16 age, my club charges $2800 + Uniform + TRAVEL ($$$)
In general, travel is where the expense is. It could cost you additional 3K and up. Not sure how it will be handled in the future as it looks like they are trying to figure out how to cut travel cost. I would guess it will be less travel as last year my son's team were looking to have 5-6 out of state trips.
For that many you get:
1. 4 practices a week and 1 game on the weekend (but not every weekend)
2. Out of 4 practices one practice is purely focus on conditioning
3. Beside primary coach with certain credentials club provides a few athletic trainers who only focus on athletic needs for kids
4. For the out of state trips, kids travel as a team on the bus or by the plane (part of the travel expense)
________________________________________________________
In my opinion, club is trying to introduce for kids an experience that you can call a professional experience.
With in the team is very competitive. You need to earn playing time and no matter how good you are and if you're not working hard during the practices you might loose your playing time to others very easily. If you miss practice without acceptable reason it impacts your playing time. You need to arrive 30-40 minutes before the practice and be ready for the practice the 1st minute it starts. It's very hard to sell an excuse like "sorry coach, my dad/mom was late from work today so I am late for practice"
My son loves it.
It's not all perfect but it looks cool. BTW, I am not having dreams that my son will be professional player and I am making sure he is a good student, which is very hard considering how much time he is giving to soccer. In my family we a have a rule that education is a 1st priority no matter what.
So, I think it's worth it.


What club is this? Westchester FC charge 3500 + uniform + travel they only train 3 x per week

NY Soccer Club is in line with this - with practices 4 days/week.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/07/20 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a serious question. How much is it to play in this league? $4,000 sounds like a lot of $ so is it worth it?

For this (crazy) year, for U16 age, my club charges $2800 + Uniform + TRAVEL ($$$)
In general, travel is where the expense is. It could cost you additional 3K and up. Not sure how it will be handled in the future as it looks like they are trying to figure out how to cut travel cost. I would guess it will be less travel as last year my son's team were looking to have 5-6 out of state trips.
For that many you get:
1. 4 practices a week and 1 game on the weekend (but not every weekend)
2. Out of 4 practices one practice is purely focus on conditioning
3. Beside primary coach with certain credentials club provides a few athletic trainers who only focus on athletic needs for kids
4. For the out of state trips, kids travel as a team on the bus or by the plane (part of the travel expense)
________________________________________________________
In my opinion, club is trying to introduce for kids an experience that you can call a professional experience.
With in the team is very competitive. You need to earn playing time and no matter how good you are and if you're not working hard during the practices you might loose your playing time to others very easily. If you miss practice without acceptable reason it impacts your playing time. You need to arrive 30-40 minutes before the practice and be ready for the practice the 1st minute it starts. It's very hard to sell an excuse like "sorry coach, my dad/mom was late from work today so I am late for practice"
My son loves it.
It's not all perfect but it looks cool. BTW, I am not having dreams that my son will be professional player and I am making sure he is a good student, which is very hard considering how much time he is giving to soccer. In my family we a have a rule that education is a 1st priority no matter what.
So, I think it's worth it.


What club is this? Westchester FC charge 3500 + uniform + travel they only train 3 x per week

NY Soccer Club is in line with this - with practices 4 days/week.

Gottschee $2900 plus uniform plus travel. Above post is spot on. Travel is what drives cost way up. 4 soccer practices plus fitness and 1 game a week. My local team is about $1200 a year but only practices 2x a week. It's worth it to our family but every situation is different. Not cheap but competitive pricing. If my son quit I don't think I could replicate all the training/games for the same $
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/07/20 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a serious question. How much is it to play in this league? $4,000 sounds like a lot of $ so is it worth it?

For this (crazy) year, for U16 age, my club charges $2800 + Uniform + TRAVEL ($$$)
In general, travel is where the expense is. It could cost you additional 3K and up. Not sure how it will be handled in the future as it looks like they are trying to figure out how to cut travel cost. I would guess it will be less travel as last year my son's team were looking to have 5-6 out of state trips.
For that many you get:
1. 4 practices a week and 1 game on the weekend (but not every weekend)
2. Out of 4 practices one practice is purely focus on conditioning
3. Beside primary coach with certain credentials club provides a few athletic trainers who only focus on athletic needs for kids
4. For the out of state trips, kids travel as a team on the bus or by the plane (part of the travel expense)
________________________________________________________
In my opinion, club is trying to introduce for kids an experience that you can call a professional experience.
With in the team is very competitive. You need to earn playing time and no matter how good you are and if you're not working hard during the practices you might loose your playing time to others very easily. If you miss practice without acceptable reason it impacts your playing time. You need to arrive 30-40 minutes before the practice and be ready for the practice the 1st minute it starts. It's very hard to sell an excuse like "sorry coach, my dad/mom was late from work today so I am late for practice"
My son loves it.
It's not all perfect but it looks cool. BTW, I am not having dreams that my son will be professional player and I am making sure he is a good student, which is very hard considering how much time he is giving to soccer. In my family we a have a rule that education is a 1st priority no matter what.
So, I think it's worth it.


What club is this? Westchester FC charge 3500 + uniform + travel they only train 3 x per week

NY Soccer Club is in line with this - with practices 4 days/week.

Gottschee $2900 plus uniform plus travel. Above post is spot on. Travel is what drives cost way up. 4 soccer practices plus fitness and 1 game a week. My local team is about $1200 a year but only practices 2x a week. It's worth it to our family but every situation is different. Not cheap but competitive pricing. If my son quit I don't think I could replicate all the training/games for the same $

So Gottschee is 5 x per week training plus a game? Why is FCW only 3 x week training?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/07/20 07:37 PM
No 4x week training. 3 practices are about 75 minutes. 4th practice is longer and has fitness
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/07/20 07:52 PM
Enough already. You r all paying to sooth your egos. You will pay any amount to keep your kids in a league with the MLS teams. You can get the same quality or lack of quality training anywhere. None of them has the golden touch. Just enjoy your kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/07/20 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough already. You r all paying to sooth your egos. You will pay any amount to keep your kids in a league with the MLS teams. You can get the same quality or lack of quality training anywhere. None of them has the golden touch. Just enjoy your kids.

Not true! We live in a world where more often than not you get what you pay for
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/07/20 08:59 PM
Does nt matter - all the complaining does not change that two things are true; 1. MLS is the top league and 2. There are clubs/teams that offer just as good training as many MLS clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/07/20 11:35 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does nt matter - all the complaining does not change that two things are true; 1. MLS is the top league and 2. There are clubs/teams that offer just as good training as many MLS clubs.

MLS league is a misnomer. Can we clarify a few things - there is 1 MLS club in this northeast league and about 6 local clubs. The MLS teams play up 2-3 years. The gap in training quality between the MLS academy teams and the rest is huge - no comparison. To say your son is playing in the MLS league is like saying you are in NYC when you live on Staten Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/08/20 11:56 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Does nt matter - all the complaining does not change that two things are true; 1. MLS is the top league and 2. There are clubs/teams that offer just as good training as many MLS clubs.

MLS league is a misnomer. Can we clarify a few things - there is 1 MLS club in this northeast league and about 6 local clubs. The MLS teams play up 2-3 years. The gap in training quality between the MLS academy teams and the rest is huge - no comparison. To say your son is playing in the MLS league is like saying you are in NYC when you live on Staten Island.

Bravo !!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/08/20 12:19 PM
"MLS league is a misnomer. Can we clarify a few things - there is 1 MLS club in this northeast league and about 6 local clubs. The MLS teams play up 2-3 years. The gap in training quality between the MLS academy teams and the rest is huge - no comparison. To say your son is playing in the MLS league is like saying you are in NYC when you live on Staten Island."

I've seen both and the quality of training isn't much different. What are these training secrets MLS academies possess? Ha! It's a simple game. Like the Academy Director of Sporting Lisbon said, "we have no secrets." 30 years ago he started sending out thousands of letters to local clubs and asked that they refer their best players to him.

Omar Sowe played 4 years of high school ball in Harrison NJ and played for a Kearny United (a really good, volunteer run club team). He also played street ball all his life at the Harrison Courts. Red Bull passed on him more than once for their academy and then signed him for Red Bull II after graduating high school. HIs Kearny United teammate, Jose Escandon, was brought in to the u17 Red Bull academy team in the spring of 2018 and was their playmaker at the Generation Adidas Cup in Dallas. He played for Kearny High and Kearny United. He wouldn't be the player he is without going down to Harvey field and practicing free kicks and playing non stop in his free time.

It's a great experience to be on an MLS academy but you can also go further than some of them without it.

Some of the MLS players have the most quality or in numerous cases are just effective due to speed and strength and have matured early. The Philly Union page has some of their games posted. Watch the u17 Red Bull game. Pretty sloppy. Two nice passes which led to goals for each side though.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/08/20 12:31 PM
As for the money every extra-curricular activity will cost you whether it's tennis (more expensive) or piano lessons. A non-MLS team is great if your kids want more than travel. At the very least they provide fields, coaches, planned training sessions, plenty of indoor, and other committed, decent players. You also get to play against most of the best players in the region. It can be just for the love of the game.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/08/20 01:26 PM
And another thing, you want to prove your quality? Try suiting up for a non-mls club team and playing against the MLS teams. The MLS teams dominate so many games that in many cases it's not very challenging for their players. I would argue that being on a non-MLS team would help hone your skills better when you're playing with less effective players. Of course, training with MLS players 4 days a week is a different story (but training is no fun :D)

The constant threat of new players being brought into an MLS academy must push players to be on their toes or in many cases it makes for a negative experience after you've made a huge commitment to travel to training and games. Constantly looking over your shoulder and wondering when you'll get the boot.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/08/20 01:50 PM
Hs anyone looked at where the MLS academies actually find most players? Do they truly use the nonMLS teams as feeders or affiliates or do they scout elsewhere and grab kids playing BECNL, EDP, NPL, etc just as often? I'd say if you have just as good a chance making RB or NYCFC by playing for an EDP team as for some crazy expensive club like NYSC, then it is a no brainer to stay more local, pay less ,travel less, and see what happens.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/08/20 03:02 PM
It's interesting that so many people on here look at the money spent on soccer for their kid purely as an investment against getting a scholarship or turning pro, without assigning $1 of the money spent to "providing my kid with the opportunity to do something they enjoy."

Kids do activities. Most of those activities cost money and have no financial return. I can buy my kid a guitar and pay a couple of grand a year for lessons without expecting him to become a rock star.

If you are spending $4000 a year on soccer and you believe your child is getting $4000 worth of non-financial value from it, good for you and your kid!

My kid played DA at U12 and learned a few things -- the value of practice, the camaraderie of playing on a team, the joy of being surrounded by kids who took soccer as seriously as he did, and, most relevant to this discussion, that he wasn't going to be an MLS player and probably wouldn't play in college.

But he still likes soccer and those other things, so I still pay thousands of dollars a year for him to play on a competitive team in a competitive league.

Also, as a parent with high school and up aged kids, I pass this advice on to parents of younger kids here -- your kids are more perceptive than you think, so if you're paying this money for your kid to play soccer because you think of it as first and foremost an investment, chances are your kid has picked up on that and feels a level of pressure that would surprise you.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/08/20 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting that so many people on here look at the money spent on soccer for their kid purely as an investment against getting a scholarship or turning pro, without assigning $1 of the money spent to "providing my kid with the opportunity to do something they enjoy."

Kids do activities. Most of those activities cost money and have no financial return. I can buy my kid a guitar and pay a couple of grand a year for lessons without expecting him to become a rock star.

If you are spending $4000 a year on soccer and you believe your child is getting $4000 worth of non-financial value from it, good for you and your kid!

My kid played DA at U12 and learned a few things -- the value of practice, the camaraderie of playing on a team, the joy of being surrounded by kids who took soccer as seriously as he did, and, most relevant to this discussion, that he wasn't going to be an MLS player and probably wouldn't play in college.

But he still likes soccer and those other things, so I still pay thousands of dollars a year for him to play on a competitive team in a competitive league.

Also, as a parent with high school and up aged kids, I pass this advice on to parents of younger kids here -- your kids are more perceptive than you think, so if you're paying this money for your kid to play soccer because you think of it as first and foremost an investment, chances are your kid has picked up on that and feels a level of pressure that would surprise you.

AMEN!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/09/20 11:30 AM
The system is broken. The mls teams do NOT have better trainers. They come from the non mls clubs. Mls clubs get the better players most of the time because they are free and because parents hope their kid will become a pro. Also, it’s better to be at a mls club because the perception is that the players must be better than at non mls clubs. Your kid will get more exposure and probably a better college offer. This is NOT true for every player.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/09/20 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting that so many people on here look at the money spent on soccer for their kid purely as an investment against getting a scholarship or turning pro, without assigning $1 of the money spent to "providing my kid with the opportunity to do something they enjoy."

Kids do activities. Most of those activities cost money and have no financial return. I can buy my kid a guitar and pay a couple of grand a year for lessons without expecting him to become a rock star.

If you are spending $4000 a year on soccer and you believe your child is getting $4000 worth of non-financial value from it, good for you and your kid!

My kid played DA at U12 and learned a few things -- the value of practice, the camaraderie of playing on a team, the joy of being surrounded by kids who took soccer as seriously as he did, and, most relevant to this discussion, that he wasn't going to be an MLS player and probably wouldn't play in college.

But he still likes soccer and those other things, so I still pay thousands of dollars a year for him to play on a competitive team in a competitive league.

Also, as a parent with high school and up aged kids, I pass this advice on to parents of younger kids here -- your kids are more perceptive than you think, so if you're paying this money for your kid to play soccer because you think of it as first and foremost an investment, chances are your kid has picked up on that and feels a level of pressure that would surprise you.

Yup exactly
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/09/20 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The system is broken. The mls teams do NOT have better trainers. They come from the non mls clubs. Mls clubs get the better players most of the time because they are free and because parents hope their kid will become a pro. Also, it’s better to be at a mls club because the perception is that the players must be better than at non mls clubs. Your kid will get more exposure and probably a better college offer. This is NOT true for every player.

The system is not broken in that regards. Where else trainers could come from? I am guessing MLS academies are looking for trainers with the reputations and certain credentials. They have the funds to afford those kind of coaches. And, it doesn't matter where they come from as long as they satisfy the club needs. As far as for good/better coach it's very subjective. And, there are many very good coaches who are coaching teams that are not in MLS or non-MLS league.
As for players on MLS teams to be better players vs non MLS teams. It is not because it's just free. Parents don't decide that their kids will be playing on those teams even it 's very attractive due the prestige and a free ride. It's because MLS team has much better choice of selection from much bigger player's pool.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/11/20 01:31 PM
Are you kidding. The system is totally broken. How are mls teams training better than non mls teams. In fact the opposite is true, that’s why you see Red Bull’s and nycfc always taking kids from PDA and MO. And the same is true of the trainers. The treason why people leave for mls teams is cause it’s free and the exposure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/11/20 03:43 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting that so many people on here look at the money spent on soccer for their kid purely as an investment against getting a scholarship or turning pro, without assigning $1 of the money spent to "providing my kid with the opportunity to do something they enjoy."

Kids do activities. Most of those activities cost money and have no financial return. I can buy my kid a guitar and pay a couple of grand a year for lessons without expecting him to become a rock star.

If you are spending $4000 a year on soccer and you believe your child is getting $4000 worth of non-financial value from it, good for you and your kid!

My kid played DA at U12 and learned a few things -- the value of practice, the camaraderie of playing on a team, the joy of being surrounded by kids who took soccer as seriously as he did, and, most relevant to this discussion, that he wasn't going to be an MLS player and probably wouldn't play in college.

But he still likes soccer and those other things, so I still pay thousands of dollars a year for him to play on a competitive team in a competitive league.

Also, as a parent with high school and up aged kids, I pass this advice on to parents of younger kids here -- your kids are more perceptive than you think, so if you're paying this money for your kid to play soccer because you think of it as first and foremost an investment, chances are your kid has picked up on that and feels a level of pressure that would surprise you.

Thats all very peachy but $4000 is a lot of money to most people, especially right now. How would you feel about paying that $4000 if little Johnny was sat on the bench or pushed down to the B team, and your $4000 subsidized a very talented kid whose family couldn't normally afford to play in this league? Nah? Didn't think so. This is why the system is broke in this country - soccer is a competitive team sport not piano lessons or extra math. Your money doesn't make your kid better at soccer it just makes him think he is. Meanwhile there are 100s of talented kids out there who will never be developed because they can't afford to buy a seat at the table for the key ages 10-14.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/11/20 08:36 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thats all very peachy but $4000 is a lot of money to most people, especially right now. How would you feel about paying that $4000 if little Johnny was sat on the bench or pushed down to the B team, and your $4000 subsidized a very talented kid whose family couldn't normally afford to play in this league? Nah? Didn't think so. This is why the system is broke in this country - soccer is a competitive team sport not piano lessons or extra math. Your money doesn't make your kid better at soccer it just makes him think he is. Meanwhile there are 100s of talented kids out there who will never be developed because they can't afford to buy a seat at the table for the key ages 10-14.

There are many options for families who can't afford $4000. In every part of this area there are high-quality local clubs around that charge far less than $4000.

Sorry -- at least in this area, with such a density of competitive clubs, there are no amazing kids that aren't afforded the ability to play for a competitive club for a reduced fee or on a full scholarship.

The idea that there are these little Messis going undiscovered is BS. Maybe at the U-littles, because those are just money generators for the big clubs, but at U12 and above, it's just not happening. Yes, it's enabled by lesser skilled kids whose parents don't mind paying $4000 for the kids to barely play, but so be it. If you're OK with that, with eyes wide open, go ahead. If you don't like that, don't pay the money to have your kids sit on the bench.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/12/20 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting that so many people on here look at the money spent on soccer for their kid purely as an investment against getting a scholarship or turning pro, without assigning $1 of the money spent to "providing my kid with the opportunity to do something they enjoy."

Kids do activities. Most of those activities cost money and have no financial return. I can buy my kid a guitar and pay a couple of grand a year for lessons without expecting him to become a rock star.

If you are spending $4000 a year on soccer and you believe your child is getting $4000 worth of non-financial value from it, good for you and your kid!

My kid played DA at U12 and learned a few things -- the value of practice, the camaraderie of playing on a team, the joy of being surrounded by kids who took soccer as seriously as he did, and, most relevant to this discussion, that he wasn't going to be an MLS player and probably wouldn't play in college.

But he still likes soccer and those other things, so I still pay thousands of dollars a year for him to play on a competitive team in a competitive league.

Also, as a parent with high school and up aged kids, I pass this advice on to parents of younger kids here -- your kids are more perceptive than you think, so if you're paying this money for your kid to play soccer because you think of it as first and foremost an investment, chances are your kid has picked up on that and feels a level of pressure that would surprise you.
I would never pay those outrageous fees for my kids to play soccer. Both my sons got into a great college for free because of soccer. The system is broken because of all the delusional parents willing to pay any amount. You are all SUCKERS and most of your kids won't play in college.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/12/20 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's interesting that so many people on here look at the money spent on soccer for their kid purely as an investment against getting a scholarship or turning pro, without assigning $1 of the money spent to "providing my kid with the opportunity to do something they enjoy."

Kids do activities. Most of those activities cost money and have no financial return. I can buy my kid a guitar and pay a couple of grand a year for lessons without expecting him to become a rock star.

If you are spending $4000 a year on soccer and you believe your child is getting $4000 worth of non-financial value from it, good for you and your kid!

My kid played DA at U12 and learned a few things -- the value of practice, the camaraderie of playing on a team, the joy of being surrounded by kids who took soccer as seriously as he did, and, most relevant to this discussion, that he wasn't going to be an MLS player and probably wouldn't play in college.

But he still likes soccer and those other things, so I still pay thousands of dollars a year for him to play on a competitive team in a competitive league.

Also, as a parent with high school and up aged kids, I pass this advice on to parents of younger kids here -- your kids are more perceptive than you think, so if you're paying this money for your kid to play soccer because you think of it as first and foremost an investment, chances are your kid has picked up on that and feels a level of pressure that would surprise you.
I would never pay those outrageous fees for my kids to play soccer. Both my sons got into a great college for free because of soccer. The system is broken because of all the delusional parents willing to pay any amount. You are all SUCKERS and most of your kids won't play in college.

The world needs more people like you lol. Not
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/12/20 05:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I would never pay those outrageous fees for my kids to play soccer. Both my sons got into a great college for free because of soccer. The system is broken because of all the delusional parents willing to pay any amount. You are all SUCKERS and most of your kids won't play in college.

Ouch, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/24/20 05:23 PM
U 19 nycfc lost to Susa. Wow
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/25/20 02:55 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
U 19 nycfc lost to Susa. Wow

Wow!!!! Susa so good.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/25/20 01:44 PM
I can’t believe the incredible next generation could lose. Kids committed to major D1 couldn’t beat a lowly Long Island travel team
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/25/20 04:00 PM
NYCFC does not have a U18/19 team. That was their U17 team playing up
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/25/20 07:16 PM
Sovv jv then that is their u19 team , an mls academy team that lost to a LI travel team. How sad. Losing with all those National tram kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/25/20 09:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sovv jv then that is their u19 team , an mls academy team that lost to a LI travel team. How sad. Losing with all those National tram kids
You wish your kid was in that pool of players.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/25/20 10:57 PM
Now I know why the national team sucks. Btw great comeback.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 01:25 AM
Susa ECNL teams are the top teams in the area. End of story.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 04:05 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Susa ECNL teams are the top teams in the area. End of story.


Thats very comical! A few weeks ago barca 04s beat susa ECNL 3-1 and today barca b2002 beat susa ECNL 3-0 and barca is not better then nycfc bwg or metoval
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 12:23 PM
This is a mls league site. Nobody cares about barca
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a mls league site. Nobody cares about barca

#susalife

Susa ECNL b07s are dominant. They spanked nycfc 08/09s! #facts
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 01:53 PM
If at u17 you cannot beat a town u19 you're in bad shape wake up and smell the coffee
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 02:08 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a mls league site. Nobody cares about barca

#susalife

Susa ECNL b07s are dominant. They spanked nycfc 08/09s! #facts

I'll bite - Every club/team has stronger age groups than others.

2005 SUSA ECNL lost to New York SC 0-7. It was preseason but results wouldn't be any different.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 03:00 PM
Why are we talking about ECNL teams playing scrimmages? Means nothing. Let's get back to the MLS league. Gottschee, Met Oval, NYSC seem to be on par with NYCFC so far this season.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 03:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why are we talking about ECNL teams playing scrimmages? Means nothing. Let's get back to the MLS league. Gottschee, Met Oval, NYSC seem to be on par with NYCFC so far this season.
Haven't seen the MLS team in action but seems to be alot of parity in the non-mls clubs
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 06:17 PM
The nycfc u19 should never lose to a local travel team like Susa that’s bad and it should Not matter that they are playing up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 06:54 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If at u17 you cannot beat a town u19 you're in bad shape wake up and smell the coffee

U17 with several U15 players on it and SUSA won by how much?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 09:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If at u17 you cannot beat a town u19 you're in bad shape wake up and smell the coffee

U17 with several U15 players on it and SUSA won by how much?

$0 Cost at NYCFC VS SUSA $5000+ per year. I wouldn't pat myself on the back for beating 14 and 15 years olds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 09:43 PM
MLS parents getting touchy, LOL
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 10:25 PM
How was the soccer? 0 dollars and 0 soccer
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/26/20 11:30 PM
This is true, MLS academy team should never lose to a low-mid level local travel team like susa. I assure you, kids were embarrassed and got lots of crap from the coaches. That being said, nycfc boys were playing 2-3 years up and only goal of the game was decided by an own goal but 100% agree with the poster, def losing to a club of such little stature like a susa is a serious low. The nycfc 2005 boys (ranked #2 in the country) will be better served though playing much bigger/older competition in a year when they cant travel even if its a team like susa which isn't very skillful at all. Guess the nycfc boys will have to hide their embarrassment knowing big time D1 college programs await their eligibility while their parents don't have to pay a nickel as its a fully funded academy as opposed to pay for play. But yes, big victory for susa's 19's beating the nycfc 05's by an own goal but again totally agree with you bc I would have thought even nycfc youngest team could beat susa's 19's if just by lack of skill but boys but very, very embarrassing loss. To lose to a club like a susa that wont push any boys on to college programs, awful. we are agreeing with everything you're saying. i'm sure your phones were ringing off the hooks after the game by the nycfc scouts looking to poach. what, no calls....I don't understand
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/27/20 01:07 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is true, MLS academy team should never lose to a low-mid level local travel team like susa. I assure you, kids were embarrassed and got lots of crap from the coaches. That being said, nycfc boys were playing 2-3 years up and only goal of the game was decided by an own goal but 100% agree with the poster, def losing to a club of such little stature like a susa is a serious low. The nycfc 2005 boys (ranked #2 in the country) will be better served though playing much bigger/older competition in a year when they cant travel even if its a team like susa which isn't very skillful at all. Guess the nycfc boys will have to hide their embarrassment knowing big time D1 college programs await their eligibility while their parents don't have to pay a nickel as its a fully funded academy as opposed to pay for play. But yes, big victory for susa's 19's beating the nycfc 05's by an own goal but again totally agree with you bc I would have thought even nycfc youngest team could beat susa's 19's if just by lack of skill but boys but very, very embarrassing loss. To lose to a club like a susa that wont push any boys on to college programs, awful. we are agreeing with everything you're saying. i'm sure your phones were ringing off the hooks after the game by the nycfc scouts looking to poach. what, no calls....I don't understand

So you’re a sore loser? Furthermore if those boys are ranked #2 in the nation mls really need to do a far better job of scouting
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/27/20 03:17 AM
Ranked #2 in the nation what a sham ranking system, you haven’t even played a quarter of the teams in the country. Also, how are you ranked higher than the team that beat you in the GA cup last year. Btw, yes mls in fully funded but there are a few of you who make big contributions to US soccer and elsewhere
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/27/20 03:38 AM
Good u16 should be training with the pro men's team and not waisting their time scrimmaging local u19's very recreational
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/27/20 02:27 PM
No they’re too good for the men’s team, just ask there parents. They rather biggest bunch of backstabbed. It kills them that the best player is the 06 midfielder. Clearly the best midfielder on the u19 team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/27/20 02:47 PM
Not sure why this NYCFC dad has his panties in a bunch if his kid is paying zero dollars and has already committed to a D1 school? BTW, it was the Alby SUSA 04 team which would make them U17, but you can keep referring to them as the "19s" as I guess it makes you feel better thinking that these boys were all 3 to 4 years older than yours. In the end it wasn't an embarrassment for any of these boys. The NYCFC 05s were the better team but couldn't find the back of the net. The SUSA 04s played the best competition they are going to see all season long which was good for them. No one is denying that NYCFC is, and should be, the best around since it is the only true MLS club representing these areas, unless you are willing to drive down to Whippany NJ every day. But to continually refer to the Alby SUSA boys as rec or town team players is really not accurate or fair. The club, especially their younger age groups right now, can compete with any of the non-MLS clubs like Met Oval, Gottschee, NYSC. It is not a bad option at all for the top boys out on the Island. An option that they didn't have before.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/27/20 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ranked #2 in the nation what a sham ranking system, you haven’t even played a quarter of the teams in the country. Also, how are you ranked higher than the team that beat you in the GA cup last year. Btw, yes mls in fully funded but there are a few of you who make big contributions to US soccer and elsewhere

Caden Clark has made the most of his opportunities with the Redbull's, but there were 2 or 3 kids better then him at the Barca facility in Arizona. Clark was advanced ahead of the others because of who he is and who he knows. His dad is a trainer in the NFL, whether it is straight out bribery or political favors, it is still rampant in US sports.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/28/20 01:26 PM
Nycfc dad feels threatened by the younger boys on the team that play the same position as his kid. I guess his kid is not the center of attention anymore. Fact is his kid got all the attention because of what his dad was willing to do
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/28/20 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nycfc dad feels threatened by the younger boys on the team that play the same position as his kid. I guess his kid is not the center of attention anymore. Fact is his kid got all the attention because of what his dad was willing to do

What was his dad willing to do?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/28/20 11:30 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ranked #2 in the nation what a sham ranking system, you haven’t even played a quarter of the teams in the country. Also, how are you ranked higher than the team that beat you in the GA cup last year. Btw, yes mls in fully funded but there are a few of you who make big contributions to US soccer and elsewhere

Caden Clark has made the most of his opportunities with the Redbull's, but there were 2 or 3 kids better then him at the Barca facility in Arizona. Clark was advanced ahead of the others because of who he is and who he knows. His dad is a trainer in the NFL, whether it is straight out bribery or political favors, it is still rampant in US sports.

Bitter dad is back! Aww did he take your boy's position? Never mind, just ignore the inconvenient fact the RB academy director was also at Barca in Arizona so he might know him well.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 10/29/20 11:49 AM
Dad will suck you to anyone. Will do whatever it takes. Has been doing for years
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 11/03/20 02:55 PM
Does anyone know what's the story with NYCFC? no games on MLS next in any age group in the past month or so and no games scheduled for November as well...all other teams are playing including the other MLS teams
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 11/03/20 11:05 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ranked #2 in the nation what a sham ranking system, you haven’t even played a quarter of the teams in the country. Also, how are you ranked higher than the team that beat you in the GA cup last year. Btw, yes mls in fully funded but there are a few of you who make big contributions to US soccer and elsewhere

Caden Clark has made the most of his opportunities with the Redbull's, but there were 2 or 3 kids better then him at the Barca facility in Arizona. Clark was advanced ahead of the others because of who he is and who he knows. His dad is a trainer in the NFL, whether it is straight out bribery or political favors, it is still rampant in US sports.

Caden Clark was advanced to Red Bulls because he was basically bought by RB Leipzig. Pretty sure Leipzig isn't influenced much by politics at the $80,000 a year Barca Academy in Arizona.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 11/03/20 11:26 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Ranked #2 in the nation what a sham ranking system, you haven’t even played a quarter of the teams in the country. Also, how are you ranked higher than the team that beat you in the GA cup last year. Btw, yes mls in fully funded but there are a few of you who make big contributions to US soccer and elsewhere

Caden Clark has made the most of his opportunities with the Redbull's, but there were 2 or 3 kids better then him at the Barca facility in Arizona. Clark was advanced ahead of the others because of who he is and who he knows. His dad is a trainer in the NFL, whether it is straight out bribery or political favors, it is still rampant in US sports.

this sort of comment is always so strange... reyna, clark, etc... it's always about connections, not talent. let's face it - most of pro sports is projecting ceilings... we all know the stud at u13 can be a bust by u15... your "objective" ranking may or may not be what others are seeing... and let's face it -- reyna, now clark, are really grabbing the opportunities so hard to say whoever scouted them was wrong?!? let's just all be happy that usmnt will put out an amazing young generation of talent and be happy more are in the pipeline... if it ain't your kid sorry it ain't mine as well but i never lived thru their sports success, just love them unconditionally and make damn sure they are academically top 0.0001%!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/03/20 02:38 AM
Where is Instagram kid super start ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/05/20 04:05 PM
The mls league is a joke. They made it because the mls teams need local teams to play against. The non- mls teams should make gheir own league without the mls teams. Teach them a lesson that they don’t need the mls teams. At the end of the day the non mls kids end up playing at the same colleges as the mls kids. Very few mls kids sign pro deals and the ones that do spend years trying to make the 1st team.
Posted By: Falcon Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/05/20 05:34 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The mls league is a joke. They made it because the mls teams need local teams to play against. The non- mls teams should make gheir own league without the mls teams. Teach them a lesson that they don’t need the mls teams. At the end of the day the non mls kids end up playing at the same colleges as the mls kids. Very few mls kids sign pro deals and the ones that do spend years trying to make the 1st team.

I said this years ago. MLS clubs have always relied on “academy” clubs as game fodder.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/05/20 08:25 PM
The non MLS teams do need the actual MLS academies. That’s how they market themselves, as the pipeline to make these teams. NYSC and FCW have both used their supposed connections to NYCFC for years as their main marketing ploy.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/06/20 12:01 AM
Its all coming to an end soon. MLS youth academies have no interest in the current structure and they realize MLS pulled off a public relations stunt when they agreed to take over the DA. They have made that clear to the league office and there is no way the MLS is going to keep funding a league for non MLS for free. The free ride is coming to an end next season.

As the world gets back to normal, they will restructure and come up with a Division 1 and Division 2 structure or simply drop the non MLS clubs altogether. At this point the MLS youth academies are plugged into the local market and they can find the talent. In terms of needing them to play games, NYCFC and Red Bull kept scrimmaging all season long so anybody who thinks they need to keep them for games, you are dreaming.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/06/20 01:16 PM
Keep dreaming? That’s why nycfc had to resort to playing Susa. Is that why people leave their clubs to play ? I think not. First let’s get this straight, 99% of these kids will go to college which is great but they can do that playing for non mls teams. The treason they go to mls teams is because they want to be pros which hardly ever happens. That is based mostly on politics ( $ or you your dad knows). Just look at who gets invited to the camps
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/06/20 10:23 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its all coming to an end soon. MLS youth academies have no interest in the current structure and they realize MLS pulled off a public relations stunt when they agreed to take over the DA. They have made that clear to the league office and there is no way the MLS is going to keep funding a league for non MLS for free. The free ride is coming to an end next season.

As the world gets back to normal, they will restructure and come up with a Division 1 and Division 2 structure or simply drop the non MLS clubs altogether. At this point the MLS youth academies are plugged into the local market and they can find the talent. In terms of needing them to play games, NYCFC and Red Bull kept scrimmaging all season long so anybody who thinks they need to keep them for games, you are dreaming.

You’re clueless
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/07/20 12:51 PM
The soup is only as good as its ingredients
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/07/20 11:38 PM
Either you r lying or are uninformed about them scrimmaging all the time. Did NOT happen. That’s why some of the boys from nycfc were caught play with town teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/08/20 07:42 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its all coming to an end soon. MLS youth academies have no interest in the current structure and they realize MLS pulled off a public relations stunt when they agreed to take over the DA. They have made that clear to the league office and there is no way the MLS is going to keep funding a league for non MLS for free. The free ride is coming to an end next season.

As the world gets back to normal, they will restructure and come up with a Division 1 and Division 2 structure or simply drop the non MLS clubs altogether. At this point the MLS youth academies are plugged into the local market and they can find the talent. In terms of needing them to play games, NYCFC and Red Bull kept scrimmaging all season long so anybody who thinks they need to keep them for games, you are dreaming.

As a father of a kid in an MLS academy I can tell you this is correct based on conversations with coaches here. Their aim is to keep playing their academy teams up against 2+ age groups non-MLS teams for practice. For all you dads dreaming of your boys being scouted vs MLS teams you're wasting your time. The scouting network for MLS teams is very good now, so they have identified all the local talent and there is a constant stream of boys invited to training sessions.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/11/20 11:42 PM
You must be that dad who is up the coaches **s. There’s no other way to explain it because when my kids was at an mls academy parents didn’t talk to the coaches. You must be the guy from Suffolk. Stop playing politics and let your kid earn his stripes.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/14/20 08:08 PM
NYCFC 2004-5 lost to BWG 2004 on Saturday, 4-3.

BWG 2004 finished in last place with no wins in 7 games, scoring only 5 goals all season: https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/1271/schedules?group=8365

Discuss...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/14/20 10:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 2004-5 lost to BWG 2004 on Saturday, 4-3.

BWG 2004 finished in last place with no wins in 7 games, scoring only 5 goals all season: https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/1271/schedules?group=8365

Discuss...

NYCFC almost last place with 2 losses and 1 tie is pretty embarrassing. Who is the coach for the 2004?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/15/20 11:54 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 2004-5 lost to BWG 2004 on Saturday, 4-3.

BWG 2004 finished in last place with no wins in 7 games, scoring only 5 goals all season: https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/1271/schedules?group=8365

Discuss...

NYCFC almost last place with 2 losses and 1 tie is pretty embarrassing. Who is the coach for the 2004?

My son's team played this NYCFC team. They have no 04s. They are all 05s and 06s. They are using their games as development against bigger, stronger and faster kids. This pressure makes the NYCFC kids think and react faster and so they develop. Meanwhile dumbass parents think because they lose they have a problem. Idiots.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/15/20 06:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 2004-5 lost to BWG 2004 on Saturday, 4-3.

BWG 2004 finished in last place with no wins in 7 games, scoring only 5 goals all season: https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/1271/schedules?group=8365

Discuss...

NYCFC almost last place with 2 losses and 1 tie is pretty embarrassing. Who is the coach for the 2004?

My son's team played this NYCFC team. They have no 04s. They are all 05s and 06s. They are using their games as development against bigger, stronger and faster kids. This pressure makes the NYCFC kids think and react faster and so they develop. Meanwhile dumbass parents think because they lose they have a problem. Idiots.

You're the idiot and you need some facts.

NYCFC have 2 04's, both of which were on the field against BWG. The rest of the team were 05's - supposedly one of the best teams in the country.

Meanwhile the BWG 04's have been one of the worst teams in the country going back a couple of years into the DA.

If you're a great U16 team and you want to play "bigger, stronger, and faster" opposition for a challenge, you don't play against a winless U17 team (and lose). You play against a decent U19 team.

Sounds like you think your kid did really, really well when they lost to this NYCFC team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/15/20 08:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 2004-5 lost to BWG 2004 on Saturday, 4-3.

BWG 2004 finished in last place with no wins in 7 games, scoring only 5 goals all season: https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/1271/schedules?group=8365

Discuss...

NYCFC almost last place with 2 losses and 1 tie is pretty embarrassing. Who is the coach for the 2004?

My son's team played this NYCFC team. They have no 04s. They are all 05s and 06s. They are using their games as development against bigger, stronger and faster kids. This pressure makes the NYCFC kids think and react faster and so they develop. Meanwhile dumbass parents think because they lose they have a problem. Idiots.

You're the idiot and you need some facts.

NYCFC have 2 04's, both of which were on the field against BWG. The rest of the team were 05's - supposedly one of the best teams in the country.

Meanwhile the BWG 04's have been one of the worst teams in the country going back a couple of years into the DA.

If you're a great U16 team and you want to play "bigger, stronger, and faster" opposition for a challenge, you don't play against a winless U17 team (and lose). You play against a decent U19 team.

Sounds like you think your kid did really, really well when they lost to this NYCFC team.

Correct. But both of you are idiots anyway for arguing. Who cares if theyre not your kid?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 12/16/20 02:22 PM
They have an 03 goalie and the 04 is pro ready . Just ask the dad who always mingling with the coaches and director.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/18/21 01:45 AM
NYCFC 04 just can't beat SUSA ECNL 04. They dominate the midfield play but can't score. Has to be frustrating.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/18/21 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 04 just can't beat SUSA ECNL 04. They dominate the midfield play but can't score. Has to be frustrating.

SUSA Koolaid stock price goes up 50% due to massive influx of stupid parents willing to pay more for something worthless.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/18/21 09:03 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 04 just can't beat SUSA ECNL 04. They dominate the midfield play but can't score. Has to be frustrating.

SUSA Koolaid stock price goes up 50% due to massive influx of stupid parents willing to pay more for something worthless.

From what i hear from that nycfc team, some of those kids should be nervous about their spots after that performance.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/19/21 03:59 AM
Give some credit to 04 Susa’s defense. They have a strong group and both keepers played well
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/19/21 03:52 PM
That is the NYCFC 05 team. There were only two 04's on the roster and they each only played in the 2nd half.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/19/21 05:14 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That is the NYCFC 05 team. There were only two 04's on the roster and they each only played in the 2nd half.

Either way, it's not a good look for NYCFC.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/19/21 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Give some credit to 04 Susa’s defense. They have a strong group and both keepers played well

NYCFC's midfield was better than SUSA's. SUSA really just has one good defender (maybe 2). There wasn't much there from SUSA.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/20/21 10:25 PM
Nycfc is a joke. Especially the midfield
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/21/21 10:49 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Give some credit to 04 Susa’s defense. They have a strong group and both keepers played well

NYCFC's midfield was better than SUSA's. SUSA really just has one good defender (maybe 2). There wasn't much there from SUSA.

Yet it was a 1-1 tie
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/22/21 01:15 PM
Give it up already,NYC should be better and Susa is just another club ,period,case closed
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/24/21 03:38 PM
There's something wrong with that NYCFC team. To give them a pass because they are mostly 1 year younger is a joke. HS sophomores vs. juniors - no real difference.

It's an MLS Academy that has handpicked local talent and taken that 2005 team to Europe multiple times. They're playing against a local team.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/25/21 02:45 PM
So did Albertson SUSA get MLS Next ? I had a player tell me yesterday that they did and he was going to play there because of this
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/25/21 03:31 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did Albertson SUSA get MLS Next ? I had a player tell me yesterday that they did and he was going to play there because of this

Text message between Moussa and myself on this issue. I sent Moussa the quoted post above. Here is the reply and quick exchange between us.....

Moussa Sy:
Not true. We have nothing officially

Larry Miller:
But you are trying?

Moussa Sy:
Always trying to get into the best platform for our players

Larry Miller:
Fair enough
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/25/21 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did Albertson SUSA get MLS Next ? I had a player tell me yesterday that they did and he was going to play there because of this

Text message between Moussa and myself on this issue. I sent Moussa the quoted post above. Here is the reply and quick exchange between us.....

Moussa Sy:
Not true. We have nothing officially

Larry Miller:
But you are trying?

Moussa Sy:
Always trying to get into the best platform for our players

Larry Miller:
Fair enough

Reading between the lines here but sounds like they got the word, but nothing official yet. Congrats if they do and Moussa worded that nicely smile
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/28/21 12:40 AM
That group has special privileges along with the couple of older kids they kept. $ has its privileges
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/28/21 12:41 AM
I heard a couple of nycfc kids got caught playing with Brentwood and nycfc let it go. I guess it helps to know people
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/28/21 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a couple of nycfc kids got caught playing with Brentwood and nycfc let it go. I guess it helps to know people
NYCFC isn't as strict as they used to be. That's for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/28/21 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard a couple of nycfc kids got caught playing with Brentwood and nycfc let it go. I guess it helps to know people

Why are you upset over other peoples kids playing with other clubs? don't you have something better to do? They probably just want to play cos there training was cancelled and it was nearby. Mind your own business and get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/28/21 09:14 PM
Maybe you bag oils teach your boys how to follow the rules. This is how you probably got them to nycfc. With you checkbook and *** kissing to the nycfc staff. Aren’t you the same guy who says these Long Island teams are beneath your allstar
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/29/21 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe you bag oils teach your boys how to follow the rules. This is how you probably got them to nycfc. With you checkbook and *** kissing to the nycfc staff. Aren’t you the same guy who says these Long Island teams are beneath your allstar

And SUSA coaches still spreading as recently as yesterday that they are playing MLS Next. Parents are so naive !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/30/21 12:10 AM
If that is the case they will get bounced out of ECNL for girls.
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/30/21 12:17 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If that is the case they will get bounced out of ECNL for girls.

I dont see that happening. MLS Next is only on the boys side so why would affect SUSA Girls ECNL? I think if SUSA gets it it a huge game changer on Long Island. The only problem SUSA would face is getting a team of players of the quality the MLS Next league seeks on Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/30/21 02:44 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Maybe you bag oils teach your boys how to follow the rules. This is how you probably got them to nycfc. With you checkbook and *** kissing to the nycfc staff. Aren’t you the same guy who says these Long Island teams are beneath your allstar

I have no idea what you are saying but you sure sound bitter about something. Can someone translate this? What is a bag oil?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/30/21 03:43 AM
I think he is saying teach your kids to be men of their word. They signed with nycfc and you know your not suppose to play with other teams on the side. Nit that hard to understand
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/30/21 02:03 PM
Maybe he’s calling you a greasy parent who gets too involved so your kid can get special treatment.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/31/21 03:29 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think he is saying teach your kids to be men of their word. They signed with nycfc and you know your not suppose to play with other teams on the side. Nit that hard to understand

If those kids played at Brentwood previously what’s wrong with being a guest player now? NYCFC takes these kids from the clubs uses them and it may or not work out. The kids shouldn’t play with their friends? This is still a free country I would think a kid that has not signed a professional contract should be free to play where they want.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/31/21 04:51 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think he is saying teach your kids to be men of their word. They signed with nycfc and you know your not suppose to play with other teams on the side. Nit that hard to understand

If those kids played at Brentwood previously what’s wrong with being a guest player now? NYCFC takes these kids from the clubs uses them and it may or not work out. The kids shouldn’t play with their friends? This is still a free country I would think a kid that has not signed a professional contract should be free to play where they want.

They actually sign a contract and in that contract it states they won’t play with other teams. It is a free country and they chose to sign with NYCFC under those conditions and didn’t adhere to it. Not a good life lesson to teach your kids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 01/31/21 09:25 PM
So which is it ? Do you want him to play with his friends at Brentwood or at nycfc the supposed highest level of competition ? And if you so why did u leave your friends to begin with. Because the daddy’s can’t stop getting involved to make sure their kids shine no matter how pedestrian they are. Same dads that constantly huddle up with the trainers and director at nycfc.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/01/21 02:32 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So which is it ? Do you want him to play with his friends at Brentwood or at nycfc the supposed highest level of competition ? And if you so why did u leave your friends to begin with. Because the daddy’s can’t stop getting involved to make sure their kids shine no matter how pedestrian they are. Same dads that constantly huddle up with the trainers and director at nycfc.

Some kids just love to play. Why can't they do both? Play at the highest level they can and if NYCFC has no practice or games just go play with their friends at their old club. What's the harm? If the coach doesn't care then why do you?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/01/21 04:31 AM
So did you ask the coach if your kid could play ? I doubt it. But I give you credit, you know how to play the game. Problem is one day you boy will have to do it on his own and then he’ll be screwed because you’ve been interfering for so long.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/01/21 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So did you ask the coach if your kid could play ? I doubt it. But I give you credit, you know how to play the game. Problem is one day you boy will have to do it on his own and then he’ll be screwed because you’ve been interfering for so long.

Here is where NYCFC stands with outside training and playing. So as long as you're not missing NYCFC scheduled days then you can play with friends all you want.

No player may represent NYCFC in an official capacity (i.e. wearing jerseys) for any outside competition.
Strength and conditioning programs may subject players to safety risks and must be reported with full detail
Individual or small group technical work is usually permitted (off days)
Pick-up soccer or a small sided tournaments organized by friends and family is usually permitted (off weekends)
Other recreational sports such as basketball are usually permitted (off days)
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/01/21 09:40 PM
Hey Larry,

Curious to hear your thoughts. Do you think there is a huge difference with quality of ECNY boys players vs MLS Next players?
Posted By: Larry Miller Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/01/21 10:10 PM
I have no idea. I do not watch games.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/01/21 11:52 PM
Show us in writing where it says that in the contract you signed with nycfc. BTW they got caught playing in a tournament with Brentwood nit some pickup game with friends. See how dad misrepresents what really happened. Be a man already and own it.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/02/21 01:12 PM
Not my kids but I would do the same. Who cares? They're playing soccer. Why are you so upset?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/02/21 02:49 PM
The only argument that the academy can be make is overuse and injury IMO - any soccer is good soccer.

I just wish it would be a level playing field - either it's allowed by all or not. I know a lot of boys playing MLS Next and play HS for example. Those who decide to follow the academy rules are actually the ones who lose out on the experiences.......I'm doing it but that's a tough lesson to stand by.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/02/21 05:48 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not my kids but I would do the same. Who cares? They're playing soccer. Why are you so upset?

I know why he's upset it's because his kid wasn't ask to play. Maybe because his father is such a RICHARD : )
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/02/21 09:47 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Show us in writing where it says that in the contract you signed with nycfc. BTW they got caught playing in a tournament with Brentwood nit some pickup game with friends. See how dad misrepresents what really happened. Be a man already and own it.

The "restrictions" above came directly from an NYCFC email to the parents. I'm not sure you have ever seen a contract from the team but there is nothing preventing them from playing/training outside their program unless it interferes with NYCFC trainings. You are thinking of the old DA restrictions about no HS ball or playing else where. They only ask you don't represent another clubs or wear NYCFC gear to outside games/training.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/03/21 01:02 AM
The guy is the biggest joke at nycfc. Buddies up to the trainers and tells everyone how all the colleges are after his kid but doesn’t say he pays a recruiter to reach out to schools
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/03/21 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The guy is the biggest joke at nycfc. Buddies up to the trainers and tells everyone how all the colleges are after his kid but doesn’t say he pays a recruiter to reach out to schools

Bitter dad needs to relax. Its kids soccer so just let them play. The more they play the better they get. Stop whining about other kids and get your kid off the Xbox and take him outside with a ball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/04/21 01:07 AM
Unfortunately soccer in the USA is all about $ and who you know. That’s why the national team sucks and why they ran Klinsman out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/04/21 01:10 AM
Not bitter just honest. Every year the kid was on the worst team in the academy and they would cut everyone but that kid. And every year dad is making friends with the coaches. Worst secret in the age froup
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/06/21 02:12 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not bitter just honest. Every year the kid was on the worst team in the academy and they would cut everyone but that kid. And every year dad is making friends with the coaches. Worst secret in the age froup

This is totally true. I can verify this. I saw him with the coach, George Soros and Bill Gates in a pizza joint. They were talking about taking out all the other kids with space lasers. I left when Hilary Clinton showed up.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/08/21 03:13 PM
Guess we hit a nerve otherwise u would’ve posted something intelligent
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/14/21 08:44 PM
Heard the daddy’s boy at nycfc is got the European scouts drooling.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 02/18/21 03:51 PM
Any word WHEN this MLS League will officially announce the new clubs joining for next year ?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/02/21 07:19 PM
Good games NYSC 05-04
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/02/21 09:40 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Good games NYSC 05-04
what does this even mean?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/03/21 02:26 AM
What league ? This league is falling apart as we speak. MLS academies do not want to play non-MLS academies and the MLS is losing their shirt. Did you see the billionaire investor behind the Sacramento franchise just bailed out. He basically said I am not going to pay a $200 mln expansion franchise fee to MLS and another $200 mln to build a stadium to join a league that has no big tv contract and each franchise is losing an average of $100 mln per year. The franchises have no money for a serious youth program. Some MLS academies are so fed up they are quietly knocking on the ECNL door.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/03/21 02:42 PM
The entire MLS is predicated on a ridiculous franchise ownership idea. The first thing that needs to happen is solve the issue of solidarity payments and the inability of US born players to go to Europe at 16 instead of 18 and start making money by selling players on the market to bigger clubs. They need to accept that the only thing they can do is become a selling league. No different than Dutch, Belgian, Portuguese leagues where a player can get enough exposure to create value and clubs can make money by selling prospects to bigger clubs. The idea that ticket sales and a paltry FS1 tv contract can earn MLS clubs enough to be profitable is insane.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/04/21 03:40 AM
You can’t be a selling league when you don’t develop players. Mls is a good ok boys network when it comes to the academy. All about who you know. There are not enough good trainers. The mls clubs just get trainers from the non mls teams.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/04/21 02:39 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What league ? This league is falling apart as we speak. MLS academies do not want to play non-MLS academies and the MLS is losing their shirt. Did you see the billionaire investor behind the Sacramento franchise just bailed out. He basically said I am not going to pay a $200 mln expansion franchise fee to MLS and another $200 mln to build a stadium to join a league that has no big tv contract and each franchise is losing an average of $100 mln per year. The franchises have no money for a serious youth program. Some MLS academies are so fed up they are quietly knocking on the ECNL door.

For this area - the true MLS academies make up 1-2 teams per region tops. I don't care what you call it, at the older age groups, these academy teams are a step up from any other competition they would play (outside of maybe 1 or 2 outliers) and the clubs represented are very well established so got to keep it going in some capacity.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/04/21 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What league ? This league is falling apart as we speak. MLS academies do not want to play non-MLS academies and the MLS is losing their shirt. Did you see the billionaire investor behind the Sacramento franchise just bailed out. He basically said I am not going to pay a $200 mln expansion franchise fee to MLS and another $200 mln to build a stadium to join a league that has no big tv contract and each franchise is losing an average of $100 mln per year. The franchises have no money for a serious youth program. Some MLS academies are so fed up they are quietly knocking on the ECNL door.

For this area - the true MLS academies make up 1-2 teams per region tops. I don't care what you call it, at the older age groups, these academy teams are a step up from any other competition they would play (outside of maybe 1 or 2 outliers) and the clubs represented are very well established so got to keep it going in some capacity.

With that said - those that are in the MLS Next league - the scheduling and information on teams, schedules, rankings is definitely minimalist at best.....
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/04/21 06:03 PM
BWG and Met Oval are not MLS caliber. They are glorified travel teams that are very expensive. There are is no quality at those clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/05/21 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG and Met Oval are not MLS caliber. They are glorified travel teams that are very expensive. There are is no quality at those clubs.
everyone has an opinion - and look holistically....believe Met Oval finished first in their division at U17
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/06/21 07:53 PM
Oh please. Every year MEt Oval and BWG has big goal scorers and then when they move play MLS competition they do nothing. It’s easy to look good vs NYSC and seacoast
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/08/21 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh please. Every year MEt Oval and BWG has big goal scorers and then when they move play MLS competition they do nothing. It’s easy to look good vs NYSC and seacoast
question was non-MLS academy teams - name better competition/quality at the older age groups???? MLS teams account for 40 players in the entire NY/NJ area per age group - less as you get younger.......


EDP ????
ECNL ?????
NYCSL????
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/08/21 10:11 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh please. Every year MEt Oval and BWG has big goal scorers and then when they move play MLS competition they do nothing. It’s easy to look good vs NYSC and seacoast
question was non-MLS academy teams - name better competition/quality at the older age groups???? MLS teams account for 40 players in the entire NY/NJ area per age group - less as you get younger.......


EDP ????
ECNL ?????
NYCSL????

Locally it’s
MLS Next
EDP NL
ECNL
EAL
NYCSL

EDP is the only league with Promotion/Relegation all other leagues are going to have weak teams who get in because of politics
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/09/21 02:09 AM
Mls is probably the best. Then the others are all the same. Just depends on how much $ you want to spend and how far you want to travel. BWG and Met Oval are for the people who want to say they play in the MLS league. They’ll spend whatever to feed their ego.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/09/21 12:26 PM
MLS Next is a total misnomer. The top few teams are basically kids cut from the proper MLS academies. (Met Oval, Bergen, PDA)

The rest are very very average teams who would struggle to compete with the better teams from EDP, ECNL etc. (BWG u17 I'm looking at you)

As stated above the only difference between MLS Next and all the other leagues is the $ and the travel. If you want to pay $5k per year to drive to New Hampshire or Baltimore knock yourself out.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/09/21 01:03 PM
T to be best thing about MLS teams is that your kid will get a scholarship. There are some schools that will only take from MLS. But most mls clubs are just as political. Just look at Nycfc. Just look at some of the players they cater to.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/19/21 06:16 PM
NYCFC u15 coach’s father that has had a hell of a racket going on for years between nyc and him has been indicted on sexual abuse charges. Turns out he’s been sexually abusing kids since the age of 13 and now at 17 the kid comes out and report him. I feel so horrible for all the parents that would take this extra training courses with the promise of their kid going to play for NYCFC. He used to be a coach at Met Oval Along with his son before his son went to be a coach at NYC FC and would constantly be sending kids and two months later they would all get dropped. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...r-over-5-years-prosecutors/2950951/?amp. Hope this kid makes it through life and let this be a wake up call to all you parents
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/20/21 02:32 PM
You are an idiot and zero idea what you are talking about. The NYCFC u15 coach is Michaal Dal Pra and he has no relation to Jose Claros. Jose is close to Hugo Guzman who is the u17 coach but Jose's son is not a coach at NYCFC.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/21/21 06:56 PM
Met Oval are trying to sweep this atrocity under the rug and wait it out like Andrew Cuomo. I hold the entire Met Oval Board of Directors responsible starting wit Jeffrey Saunders. In his quest for money and glory he ignored the safety of the children. NYCFC have also said and done NOTHING about their "Affiliate Club" or the fact that Jose Carlos used NYCFC to lure victims. Yes I said victims because any one who believes this is an isolated incident is as big a moron as Saunders. The signs were all there and there is no need to go through this horror story. But there is one fact that no one seems to notice. There are no images or videos of Jose Carlos online, not on his website, instagram, or even facebook. He's a ghost. Why would anyone go to such lengths to hide their face ? This should have been a huge RED FLAG. Those of us who do know who he is can see him lurking in the background of Met Oval's video's on YouTube. I hope this post finds the right people and the authorities. The US Soccer Federation, MLS, and NYCFC should be stepping up and shut Met Oval down IMMEDIATELY ! They need to find out if there are a other predators in the system and put in place a program to prevent this from happening again. ACT NOW because it is TOO LATE !
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/28/21 09:54 PM
You really think nycfc cares. Look at what they did to their u19”s They screwed those kids over to take care of the connected kids
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/28/21 11:41 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You really think nycfc cares. Look at what they did to their u19”s They screwed those kids over to take care of the connected kids

What did they do to the u19’s...
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/29/21 06:29 PM
Its called economics 101. Instead of spending money on a youth team where they are spending money to showcase kids for college, they dropped that age group and will soon launch a USL team like Red Bulls II. The better kids with pro potential will move to the second division pro team and the rest of the kids will have to move back to their local clubs. By the time the kids play with NYCFC at U17 they know who has potential so makes no economic sense for them to invest in kids just to send them off to college.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/29/21 07:10 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its called economics 101. Instead of spending money on a youth team where they are spending money to showcase kids for college, they dropped that age group and will soon launch a USL team like Red Bulls II. The better kids with pro potential will move to the second division pro team and the rest of the kids will have to move back to their local clubs. By the time the kids play with NYCFC at U17 they know who has potential so makes no economic sense for them to invest in kids just to send them off to college.

Everyone going into the MLS academy meat grinding machine should know this is how things work. That is not something to really be upset about.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/29/21 10:37 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its called economics 101. Instead of spending money on a youth team where they are spending money to showcase kids for college, they dropped that age group and will soon launch a USL team like Red Bulls II. The better kids with pro potential will move to the second division pro team and the rest of the kids will have to move back to their local clubs. By the time the kids play with NYCFC at U17 they know who has potential so makes no economic sense for them to invest in kids just to send them off to college.

Everyone going into the MLS academy meat grinding machine should know this is how things work. That is not something to really be upset about.

This is how the rest of the world does it. why should they care about putting kids through college? The people who are still clinging on to the idea of playing college ball then going pro are about 25 years behind.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/30/21 12:35 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its called economics 101. Instead of spending money on a youth team where they are spending money to showcase kids for college, they dropped that age group and will soon launch a USL team like Red Bulls II. The better kids with pro potential will move to the second division pro team and the rest of the kids will have to move back to their local clubs. By the time the kids play with NYCFC at U17 they know who has potential so makes no economic sense for them to invest in kids just to send them off to college.

Everyone going into the MLS academy meat grinding machine should know this is how things work. That is not something to really be upset about.

This is how the rest of the world does it. why should they care about putting kids through college? The people who are still clinging on to the idea of playing college ball then going pro are about 25 years behind.

Who says everyone’s goal is to try to go pro ? Esp in the us of a
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 03/31/21 01:55 PM
MLS Academies are basically only worthwhile for years U14-17 at the most. After that, i'd agree it should be the USL team and for the kids still trying for pro. Why would NYCFC or RB care about kids who want to just play super duper HS soccer in college?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 04/01/21 11:42 AM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MLS Academies are basically only worthwhile for years U14-17 at the most. After that, i'd agree it should be the USL team and for the kids still trying for pro. Why would NYCFC or RB care about kids who want to just play super duper HS soccer in college?

College soccer is like training to be a chef for 8 years and then working at McDonalds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 04/01/21 01:18 PM
College soccer is the highest level of amateur soccer in the country. Give them their due respect and envy them for playing more meaningful games longer then the vast majority of us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MLS Academies are basically only worthwhile for years U14-17 at the most. After that, i'd agree it should be the USL team and for the kids still trying for pro. Why would NYCFC or RB care about kids who want to just play super duper HS soccer in college?

College soccer is like training to be a chef for 8 years and then working at McDonalds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 04/03/21 12:56 AM
College soccer is trash. The entire USSF/MLS/SUM system in this country is trash and a big reason why we are 2d/3d rate soccer country. Good for any of the kids who can get some college money or assistance in getting in to a college, but, let's face facts -- college soccer has no meaningful sporting value whatsoever and provides no pro pathway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
College soccer is the highest level of amateur soccer in the country. Give them their due respect and envy them for playing more meaningful games longer then the vast majority of us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MLS Academies are basically only worthwhile for years U14-17 at the most. After that, i'd agree it should be the USL team and for the kids still trying for pro. Why would NYCFC or RB care about kids who want to just play super duper HS soccer in college?

College soccer is like training to be a chef for 8 years and then working at McDonalds.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 04/03/21 12:42 PM
That’s not entirely true. Baseball is comparative with it’s drafting/signing of players before they attend college. If you look at current MLB rosters only about 31% were ever matriculated. In contrast, of the 800 or so players under contract in the MLS, 271 (35%) attended at least one year at college.

Saying there is no pro pathway for college soccer is unfair unless you want to jump on your soapbox and say the same about baseball.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 04/03/21 11:09 PM
And what professional path is there now. Playing on the nycfc u23 team is a pro pathway ? How many of these wonder kids are gonna play pro ? They’re parents can help them now but not at the pro level. Oh I forgot all the European teams are lining up for them, just ask their parents lol
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 04/03/21 11:55 PM
If you thought the DA was the best league and now you think the MLS is the best league for development I have two simple numbers for you as you watched Honduras kick the US out of the Olympics. USA = 330 million people. Honduras = 9 million.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The new MLS youth league - 04/14/21 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That’s not entirely true. Baseball is comparative with it’s drafting/signing of players before they attend college. If you look at current MLB rosters only about 31% were ever matriculated. In contrast, of the 800 or so players under contract in the MLS, 271 (35%) attended at least one year at college.

Saying there is no pro pathway for college soccer is unfair unless you want to jump on your soapbox and say the same about baseball.

whoa nellie. that is about as far away from apples-to-apples as you can get. first off, college baseball requires a 3 year commitment, i.e., no one and done. Second, a high proportion of MLB pros do come from college (especially Vandy!) and a lot in those in the first rounds. MLB is the highest level played globally. I think the OP was criticizing that sure, there's pros drafted from college, but the MLS NExt/College pathway is [****] in this country if you wind up a benchwarmer on what is not even a top 10 league in the world. Sure you're a "pro".
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