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USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019

Posted By: Larry Miller

USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 07/23/18 02:05 PM

It's the start of the Fall 2018/Spring 2019 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/02/18 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Larry Miller
It's the start of the Fall 2018/Spring 2019 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group.


When do new academy rosters 2018-2019 post on the USDA website?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/04/18 08:30 PM

Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/06/18 04:07 AM

NYCFC is known to tell players to go play for their "farm" team MetOval
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/06/18 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/07/18 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/07/18 11:06 AM

Look, football is not American, that's why you'll never have the athletes playing it, the Americans decided( like the Irish) to get rid of anything English, like cricket,baseball.or rounders as we call it in England,a girls game, football,gridiron, etc etc, now if you had invented football you would have dominated for decades, most of the top athletes in big football country's try football first, over her unfortunately if your no good at yank sports, you try sarker as a last resort, then tennis, lol.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/07/18 12:46 PM

On the contrary.....soccer is a popular sport for the youth. But it is probably the most difficult to be good at. It takes a lot more then just athleticism. So most kids take the easy road and play sports that they can find immediate success in like Football and Basketball. Of course those sports are dead ends for the non-elite athlete as well. But they at least have some success on the youth level and on the street basketball court down the block.

So the problem is, like many people have said before, that there are too many options here and most will take the option that is the easiest to be good at at first. That is usually the sport that requires manual functions rather than using your feet. You have to love soccer at a young age and that can only come from the entire family that the kid is born into loving it too. We dont have that here
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/07/18 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look, football is not American, that's why you'll never have the athletes playing it, the Americans decided( like the Irish) to get rid of anything English, like cricket,baseball.or rounders as we call it in England,a girls game, football,gridiron, etc etc, now if you had invented football you would have dominated for decades, most of the top athletes in big football country's try football first, over her unfortunately if your no good at yank sports, you try sarker as a last resort, then tennis, lol.

Can someone explain to me why "sarker" is funny?

Which American accent is that supposed to be making fun of?

Or is it just one of the three or four jokes that Men In Blazers constantly recycle?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/07/18 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.


that's everywhere .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/07/18 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.


that's everywhere .


Thats what its like all over the world, perhaps even more so since at the higher levels the clubs aren't pay to play.... its really competitive
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/07/18 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.


Like anything you have to fight to keep your spot! Barcelona ,Ajax and the rest do the same .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/07/18 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look, football is not American, that's why you'll never have the athletes playing it, the Americans decided( like the Irish) to get rid of anything English, like cricket,baseball.or rounders as we call it in England,a girls game, football,gridiron, etc etc, now if you had invented football you would have dominated for decades, most of the top athletes in big football country's try football first, over her unfortunately if your no good at yank sports, you try sarker as a last resort, then tennis, lol.


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Here's what i saw in Westchester... everybody starts out playing soccer and then kids leave as they and their parents get tired of their kids looking nonathletic compared to kids who can run and are agile and have good foot/eye coordination. Soccer is the only sport where you use YOUR FEET the way you use your hands elsewhere. Hard to do.

You see the poorer athletes dropping off to play lacrosse, where they don't have to run and can instead stand still twirling their sticks (I know at the higher levels you need to be athletic).

For me though, swimming is the biggest magnet for the 'not natural athletes' set. Zero obvious natural skill required and you learn by repeating .. sort of like memorizing facts.

And now Rowing has become the hot tomale... not sure where that fits in yet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/08/18 12:16 AM

YOUR FEET, with a ball,hmmmmmmm, wonder why they call it football, just doesn't sound right, lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/08/18 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.



Like anything you have to fight to keep your spot! Barcelona ,Ajax and the rest do the same .


Over the age of 16. I get it. But at 12? Seriously? Barcelona (Messi and company) played together for years since they were young boys. The difference is they are taught a philosophy and a style. We change coaches and personnel way too frequently.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/08/18 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.


As others have said, that is how it works everywhere and with any sport at a high competitive level, college as well.. Also, even past the developmental/puberty years some players will plateau while others accelerate. That's driven more by sheer will power, dedication and work ethic. You can't take your foot off the gas, but some do while others push the pedal to the floor. Landing a spot is only part of the battle.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/08/18 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look, football is not American, that's why you'll never have the athletes playing it, the Americans decided( like the Irish) to get rid of anything English, like cricket,baseball.or rounders as we call it in England,a girls game, football,gridiron, etc etc, now if you had invented football you would have dominated for decades, most of the top athletes in big football country's try football first, over her unfortunately if your no good at yank sports, you try sarker as a last resort, then tennis, lol.


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Here's what i saw in Westchester... everybody starts out playing soccer and then kids leave as they and their parents get tired of their kids looking nonathletic compared to kids who can run and are agile and have good foot/eye coordination. Soccer is the only sport where you use YOUR FEET the way you use your hands elsewhere. Hard to do.

You see the poorer athletes dropping off to play lacrosse, where they don't have to run and can instead stand still twirling their sticks (I know at the higher levels you need to be athletic).

For me though, swimming is the biggest magnet for the 'not natural athletes' set. Zero obvious natural skill required and you learn by repeating .. sort of like memorizing facts.

And now Rowing has become the hot tomale... not sure where that fits in yet.




Have you ever played Lacrosse or Swim ??

Lacrosse players don't run?? Yeah Right. a couple of miles each game.

Swimming ?? Yeah Right a couple of miles each practice
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/08/18 06:28 PM

Swimming is definitely a sport but it is not one that attracts top athletes. Maybe in California but not here.

I would say that 15 years ago the "kids dont play soccer" thing had some merit but nowadays i see a lot more kids wearing soccer fan gear than nfl or mlb. Basketball has a lot of popularity with kids, especially in the city, but soccer seems to be pretty popular.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/10/18 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.


As others have said, that is how it works everywhere and with any sport at a high competitive level, college as well.. Also, even past the developmental/puberty years some players will plateau while others accelerate. That's driven more by sheer will power, dedication and work ethic. You can't take your foot off the gas, but some do while others push the pedal to the floor. Landing a spot is only part of the battle.

Amazing that NYCFC cut players already before the season even started. They didn't even give some of them the chance to play for one season. They have zero respect for kids and parents. And after they dump them they throw them to metoval ...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/10/18 01:40 AM

I dont think thats how its done everywhere. Were not talking about college were talking about 11 year olds. They need to stop decimating teams if they are just gonna cut the kid the following year. They need to show stability with their club. Build a program, dont start an all star team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/10/18 02:18 AM

The philosophy/style comes first. You train your coaches in that style, then you select a group of players that fit that style. You implement your philosophy and bring the kids up as a unit. In this country you go to a DA game and oftentimes you will see good individual skill, but can they play as a team. Play unselfish? Thats the difference. We celebrate fancy footskills and play as individuals to impress the coaches. Its not basketball where you need 2 great players and you can dominate. Its about working as a unit. Can’t build a program if the door is always revolving with new coaches and players. By 16 if you want to start plugging in new players than by all means do it. But at 11-12 years old it is counterproductive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/10/18 12:28 PM

Red Bulls and NYCFC take players from other teams indiscriminately and they don’t have a commitment with them. If they have a hard time to adapt or a bad season they just replace them and that is not what a DEVELOPEMENT Academy is supposed to be. I just see a revolving door of kids but coaches never take any responsibility to help the players. They know that for the next season they will have a line of 3or4 kids equally good with just different talents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/10/18 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Red Bulls and NYCFC take players from other teams indiscriminately and they don’t have a commitment with them. If they have a hard time to adapt or a bad season they just replace them and that is not what a DEVELOPEMENT Academy is supposed to be. I just see a revolving door of kids but coaches never take any responsibility to help the players. They know that for the next season they will have a line of 3or4 kids equally good with just different talents.



Agree . Also those coaches from NYRB with English accent like big strong boys
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/10/18 03:04 PM

On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/10/18 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!


Define “recruited”.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/10/18 05:40 PM

From the info. In the Gottshee website it says he signed for Liverpool FC, I assume the academy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/10/18 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!

I'm not taking anything away from the kid and congratulations but that doesn't make any sense. The kid is an average Long Island player at best. He's not a US National team player like Gio Reyna, Peter Stroud, Joe Scally, Andreas Jason, or Tayvon Gray. He's not even at the same level as any MLS academy players. How he is recruited by Liverpool and all those other kids aren't ? I'm comparing him to younger players because the kids his age are much more developed physically and it wouldn't be fair. It's a good bet he has psycho Gottschee parents that some how ($$$) got him on Liverpool destroying his college future. Another Adrian and Nicholas Gaitan from Albertson. Where are they now ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/11/18 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!

I'm not taking anything away from the kid and congratulations but that doesn't make any sense. The kid is an average Long Island player at best. He's not a US National team player like Gio Reyna, Peter Stroud, Joe Scally, Andreas Jason, or Tayvon Gray. He's not even at the same level as any MLS academy players. How he is recruited by Liverpool and all those other kids aren't ? I'm comparing him to younger players because the kids his age are much more developed physically and it wouldn't be fair. It's a good bet he has psycho Gottschee parents that some how ($$$) got him on Liverpool destroying his college future. Another Adrian and Nicholas Gaitan from Albertson. Where are they now ?

"destroying his college future?" LOL For a soccer player, being accepted into Liverpool is so much better (and more impressive) that playing US college soccer. Congrats to this young man. Go follow your dreams and good luck!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/11/18 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Red Bulls and NYCFC take players from other teams indiscriminately and they don’t have a commitment with them. If they have a hard time to adapt or a bad season they just replace them and that is not what a DEVELOPEMENT Academy is supposed to be. I just see a revolving door of kids but coaches never take any responsibility to help the players. They know that for the next season they will have a line of 3or4 kids equally good with just different talents.


I think you have a mistaken view on what the overwhelming majority of the boys on the NYCFC Academy teams are: they are not players to be developed, they are sparring partners for the 2-3 kids per age group that have a chance to play for the senior team. In other words -- they are virtually worthless and infinitely replaceable to the team.

Once they realize you are definitely not going to be one of those 2-3 players, they'll replace you in a heartbeat with someone who might be.

That's what your signing up for and if someone doesn't know that going in they should probably be a little bit more thoughtful on where they place their kid.

I'm not saying it's right -- just that it is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/11/18 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!

I'm not taking anything away from the kid and congratulations but that doesn't make any sense. The kid is an average Long Island player at best. He's not a US National team player like Gio Reyna, Peter Stroud, Joe Scally, Andreas Jason, or Tayvon Gray. He's not even at the same level as any MLS academy players. How he is recruited by Liverpool and all those other kids aren't ? I'm comparing him to younger players because the kids his age are much more developed physically and it wouldn't be fair. It's a good bet he has psycho Gottschee parents that some how ($$$) got him on Liverpool destroying his college future. Another Adrian and Nicholas Gaitan from Albertson. Where are they now ?

"destroying his college future?" LOL For a soccer player, being accepted into Liverpool is so much better (and more impressive) that playing US college soccer. Congrats to this young man. Go follow your dreams and good luck![/quote
The kid is a very humble kid and hard working and the parents are not crazy or rich,he is just an excellent player, it seems that liverpool has been following him for a couple of years. He was in the national team and I think playing two years up ...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/11/18 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!

I'm not taking anything away from the kid and congratulations but that doesn't make any sense. The kid is an average Long Island player at best. He's not a US National team player like Gio Reyna, Peter Stroud, Joe Scally, Andreas Jason, or Tayvon Gray. He's not even at the same level as any MLS academy players. How he is recruited by Liverpool and all those other kids aren't ? I'm comparing him to younger players because the kids his age are much more developed physically and it wouldn't be fair. It's a good bet he has psycho Gottschee parents that some how ($$$) got him on Liverpool destroying his college future. Another Adrian and Nicholas Gaitan from Albertson. Where are they now ?

"destroying his college future?" LOL For a soccer player, being accepted into Liverpool is so much better (and more impressive) that playing US college soccer. Congrats to this young man. Go follow your dreams and good luck![/quote
The kid is a very humble kid and hard working and the parents are not crazy or rich,he is just an excellent player, it seems that liverpool has been following him for a couple of years. He was in the national team and I think playing two years up ...


He was never on the national team. The reason he played up on Gottschee is because his mommy was the manager. He will be back at Gottschee.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/11/18 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!

I'm not taking anything away from the kid and congratulations but that doesn't make any sense. The kid is an average Long Island player at best. He's not a US National team player like Gio Reyna, Peter Stroud, Joe Scally, Andreas Jason, or Tayvon Gray. He's not even at the same level as any MLS academy players. How he is recruited by Liverpool and all those other kids aren't ? I'm comparing him to younger players because the kids his age are much more developed physically and it wouldn't be fair. It's a good bet he has psycho Gottschee parents that some how ($$$) got him on Liverpool destroying his college future. Another Adrian and Nicholas Gaitan from Albertson. Where are they now ?

"destroying his college future?" LOL For a soccer player, being accepted into Liverpool is so much better (and more impressive) that playing US college soccer. Congrats to this young man. Go follow your dreams and good luck![/quote
The kid is a very humble kid and hard working and the parents are not crazy or rich,he is just an excellent player, it seems that liverpool has been following him for a couple of years. He was in the national team and I think playing two years up ...


He was never on the national team. The reason he played up on Gottschee is because his mommy was the manager. He will be back at Gottschee.

If he doesn't prove himself that's one thing. But top European teams don't take "average LI soccer players" as one poster called him. The risk he's taking is that if it doesn't pan out he can't play college soccer or get a scholarship. He can play MLS for aa few years and maybe save enough $ to go back to school later. In much of Europe the only risk is just not making it as a pro. There are no college sports, and university is extremely affordable and even free in many places. You can go back later without going broke doing it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/11/18 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!

I'm not taking anything away from the kid and congratulations but that doesn't make any sense. The kid is an average Long Island player at best. He's not a US National team player like Gio Reyna, Peter Stroud, Joe Scally, Andreas Jason, or Tayvon Gray. He's not even at the same level as any MLS academy players. How he is recruited by Liverpool and all those other kids aren't ? I'm comparing him to younger players because the kids his age are much more developed physically and it wouldn't be fair. It's a good bet he has psycho Gottschee parents that some how ($$$) got him on Liverpool destroying his college future. Another Adrian and Nicholas Gaitan from Albertson. Where are they now ?

"destroying his college future?" LOL For a soccer player, being accepted into Liverpool is so much better (and more impressive) that playing US college soccer. Congrats to this young man. Go follow your dreams and good luck![/quote
The kid is a very humble kid and hard working and the parents are not crazy or rich,he is just an excellent player, it seems that liverpool has been following him for a couple of years. He was in the national team and I think playing two years up ...


He was never on the national team. The reason he played up on Gottschee is because his mommy was the manager. He will be back at Gottschee.


You really sh.. ! Why negative comments about a kid. Keep it for yourself
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/11/18 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!

I'm not taking anything away from the kid and congratulations but that doesn't make any sense. The kid is an average Long Island player at best. He's not a US National team player like Gio Reyna, Peter Stroud, Joe Scally, Andreas Jason, or Tayvon Gray. He's not even at the same level as any MLS academy players. How he is recruited by Liverpool and all those other kids aren't ? I'm comparing him to younger players because the kids his age are much more developed physically and it wouldn't be fair. It's a good bet he has psycho Gottschee parents that some how ($$$) got him on Liverpool destroying his college future. Another Adrian and Nicholas Gaitan from Albertson. Where are they now ?

"destroying his college future?" LOL For a soccer player, being accepted into Liverpool is so much better (and more impressive) that playing US college soccer. Congrats to this young man. Go follow your dreams and good luck![/quote
The kid is a very humble kid and hard working and the parents are not crazy or rich,he is just an excellent player, it seems that liverpool has been following him for a couple of years. He was in the national team and I think playing two years up ...


He was never on the national team. The reason he played up on Gottschee is because his mommy was the manager. He will be back at Gottschee.


You really sh.. ! Why negative comments about a kid. Keep it for yourself

I don't think that liverpool cares if his mother was a manager or AD or where ever, they liked the kid and he is having a chance to try himself. If he is in the national team or not who cares?, the us national coach was an amateur soccer player in the US, then a college coach and after Philadelphia union manager ... not very impressive... until the US realize they have to bring coaches from europe or south america to raise the level of their academies and national team the level of the players will still lower than the ones in those countries
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/12/18 12:36 AM

The point of this conversation is that this shows lots kids from our area can play for an academy in Europe. A kid doesn't need to be Christian Pulisic or Josh Sargent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/12/18 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The point of this conversation is that this shows lots kids from our area can play for an academy in Europe. A kid doesn't need to be Christian Pulisic or Josh Sargent.


Let's not get too carried away - "lots" is being generous and considering the size on the NY metro area we just have more kids. There is a slight uptick of US players giving a international career ago, but we have many, many more miles to go. The fact that international "rejects" (because they are - they couldn't cut it abroad) can come here and play MLS (half the draft was international players) and land good college spots over our US trained kids demonstrates that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/12/18 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The point of this conversation is that this shows lots kids from our area can play for an academy in Europe. A kid doesn't need to be Christian Pulisic or Josh Sargent.


Let's not get too carried away - "lots" is being generous and considering the size on the NY metro area we just have more kids. There is a slight uptick of US players giving a international career ago, but we have many, many more miles to go. The fact that international "rejects" (because they are - they couldn't cut it abroad) can come here and play MLS (half the draft was international players) and land good college spots over our US trained kids demonstrates that.


Very true. In a few years the Gottschee kid can come back and possibly play D1.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/12/18 03:19 PM

You dont need European coaches. You need people that know soccer and have an eye for soccer talent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/13/18 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The point of this conversation is that this shows lots kids from our area can play for an academy in Europe. A kid doesn't need to be Christian Pulisic or Josh Sargent.


Let's not get too carried away - "lots" is being generous and considering the size on the NY metro area we just have more kids. There is a slight uptick of US players giving a international career ago, but we have many, many more miles to go. The fact that international "rejects" (because they are - they couldn't cut it abroad) can come here and play MLS (half the draft was international players) and land good college spots over our US trained kids demonstrates that.


Very true. In a few years the Gottschee kid can come back and possibly play D1.


"possibly play D1" if the NCAA change its rules, that is.

Signing a pro contract means giving up NCAA eligibility. Easy choice in my book: sign with Liverpool and gamble or play college? If you want to be a pro footballer, go to Liverpool!

From the 2018-19 Summary of NCAA Regulations

2. Amateurism – All Sports.
a. You are not eligible for participation in a sport if after full-time collegiate
enrollment you have ever:

(1) Taken pay, or the promise of pay, for competing in that sport;

(2) Agreed (orally or in writing) to compete in professional athletics in that
sport;

(3) Competed on any professional athletics team (as defined by the NCAA) in
that sport [Bylaw 12.02.5]; or

(4) Used your athletics skill for pay in any form in that sport. (Prior to
collegiate enrollment, an individual may accept prize money based only on
his or her place finish or performance from the sponsor of an open athletics
event, the United States Olympic Committee or the appropriate national
governing body. An individual may also accept actual and necessary
expenses associated with the individual's practice and competition on a
professional team.) [Bylaws 12.1.3 and 12.1.5]

b. You are not eligible in a sport if you ever have accepted money, transportation or
other benefits from an agent or agreed to have an agent market your athletics ability
or reputation in that sport. [Bylaw 12.3.1]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/13/18 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The point of this conversation is that this shows lots kids from our area can play for an academy in Europe. A kid doesn't need to be Christian Pulisic or Josh Sargent.


Let's not get too carried away - "lots" is being generous and considering the size on the NY metro area we just have more kids. There is a slight uptick of US players giving a international career ago, but we have many, many more miles to go. The fact that international "rejects" (because they are - they couldn't cut it abroad) can come here and play MLS (half the draft was international players) and land good college spots over our US trained kids demonstrates that.


Very true. In a few years the Gottschee kid can come back and possibly play D1.


"possibly play D1" if the NCAA change its rules, that is.

Signing a pro contract means giving up NCAA eligibility. Easy choice in my book: sign with Liverpool and gamble or play college? If you want to be a pro footballer, go to Liverpool!

From the 2018-19 Summary of NCAA Regulations

2. Amateurism – All Sports.
a. You are not eligible for participation in a sport if after full-time collegiate
enrollment you have ever:

(1) Taken pay, or the promise of pay, for competing in that sport;

(2) Agreed (orally or in writing) to compete in professional athletics in that
sport;

(3) Competed on any professional athletics team (as defined by the NCAA) in
that sport [Bylaw 12.02.5]; or

(4) Used your athletics skill for pay in any form in that sport. (Prior to
collegiate enrollment, an individual may accept prize money based only on
his or her place finish or performance from the sponsor of an open athletics
event, the United States Olympic Committee or the appropriate national
governing body. An individual may also accept actual and necessary
expenses associated with the individual's practice and competition on a
professional team.) [Bylaws 12.1.3 and 12.1.5]

b. You are not eligible in a sport if you ever have accepted money, transportation or
other benefits from an agent or agreed to have an agent market your athletics ability
or reputation in that sport. [Bylaw 12.3.1]


Seems that folks on here don't believe that the parents are aware of these rules and navigated them successfully to assure that the kid is college eligible. All I see from the gottchee site is that he signed to play for Liverpool Academy. I don't know if that means that he signed a professional contract for pay or whether what he signed has a promise to pay him for competing professionally in the future. Maybe yes. But speculating here that that is what he did is just an excuse to bash this kid and his family. You have no idea what he signed up for except to join Liverpool Academy. It may not mean all that much and gottchee is hyping it. I am impressed that Liverpool spotted him and wants him to sign a contract to play for their academy. Imagine if your son was that good. He should be complemented and respected. Instead because he is a gottchee kid he and his parents get bashed. Sad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/13/18 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The point of this conversation is that this shows lots kids from our area can play for an academy in Europe. A kid doesn't need to be Christian Pulisic or Josh Sargent.


Let's not get too carried away - "lots" is being generous and considering the size on the NY metro area we just have more kids. There is a slight uptick of US players giving a international career ago, but we have many, many more miles to go. The fact that international "rejects" (because they are - they couldn't cut it abroad) can come here and play MLS (half the draft was international players) and land good college spots over our US trained kids demonstrates that.


Very true. In a few years the Gottschee kid can come back and possibly play D1.


"possibly play D1" if the NCAA change its rules, that is.

Signing a pro contract means giving up NCAA eligibility. Easy choice in my book: sign with Liverpool and gamble or play college? If you want to be a pro footballer, go to Liverpool!

From the 2018-19 Summary of NCAA Regulations

2. Amateurism – All Sports.
a. You are not eligible for participation in a sport if after full-time collegiate
enrollment you have ever:

(1) Taken pay, or the promise of pay, for competing in that sport;

(2) Agreed (orally or in writing) to compete in professional athletics in that
sport;

(3) Competed on any professional athletics team (as defined by the NCAA) in
that sport [Bylaw 12.02.5]; or

(4) Used your athletics skill for pay in any form in that sport. (Prior to
collegiate enrollment, an individual may accept prize money based only on
his or her place finish or performance from the sponsor of an open athletics
event, the United States Olympic Committee or the appropriate national
governing body. An individual may also accept actual and necessary
expenses associated with the individual's practice and competition on a
professional team.) [Bylaws 12.1.3 and 12.1.5]

b. You are not eligible in a sport if you ever have accepted money, transportation or
other benefits from an agent or agreed to have an agent market your athletics ability
or reputation in that sport. [Bylaw 12.3.1]


Thanks for the information, "possibly" appears correct to me; unless you know that he signed a contract for actual money, why wouldn't he fall under "An individual may also accept actual and necessary expenses associated with the individual's practice and competition on a professional team." if he just lived at Liverpool Academy and trained with them for a few years.

How do the apparently legions of European professional academy rejects that take up all of the NCAA college scholarships every year do it, if this person can't?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/13/18 03:43 PM

If my kid doesn’t get any college offers I’m sending him to Liverpool for a few years. I’m sure he will get lots of offers when he gets back. Great idea, I give those parents credit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/13/18 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my kid doesn’t get any college offers I’m sending him to Liverpool for a few years. I’m sure he will get lots of offers when he gets back. Great idea, I give those parents credit.


So now you are implying that he had no college offers.

When given a choice in life to be nice and just say congrats, or be a dick and say something mean, I guess we know what you choose on a regular basis.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/13/18 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my kid doesn’t get any college offers I’m sending him to Liverpool for a few years. I’m sure he will get lots of offers when he gets back. Great idea, I give those parents credit.


So now you are implying that he had no college offers.

When given a choice in life to be nice and just say congrats, or be a dick and say something mean, I guess we know what you choose on a regular basis.


I suspect a kid like this had many college offers! I think he made the bold choice and I applaud him for it, even if it does one day ruin his college eligibility for soccer. Will he rue the decision if he's ineligible because of dumb NCAA rules? Only up to him to decide. Some may think that's short-sighted. But if the kid wants to be a pro, he's gone to one of the right places to test himself. Not easy to leave home and your friends. Not for everyone for sure--even some kids who think it's what they want but in reality would rather be home (right, Jordan Morris?!).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/13/18 09:54 PM

What's wrong with going to college ? There is a long list of kids that went to Europe to become pro's .That list grows every year with the same result. I'm not saying a parent should discourage a kid from chasing their dream but when it's the dream of a crazy Gottschee parent that's a problem. Gottschee parents are complete nut cases and have absolutely no grasp of reality or the realistic ability of their own child. Their vision is clouded by their small brain and "Academy status". A good education should be the priority of those pathetic Gottschee fools. The best thing that will come out of this situation no matter the outcome is the kid is away from his parents. Is this the dream of the child or the BWG parent trying to live their failed life through them ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/14/18 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my kid doesn’t get any college offers I’m sending him to Liverpool for a few years. I’m sure he will get lots of offers when he gets back. Great idea, I give those parents credit.


So now you are implying that he had no college offers.

When given a choice in life to be nice and just say congrats, or be a dick and say something mean, I guess we know what you choose on a regular basis.


I suspect a kid like this had many college offers! I think he made the bold choice and I applaud him for it, even if it does one day ruin his college eligibility for soccer. Will he rue the decision if he's ineligible because of dumb NCAA rules? Only up to him to decide. Some may think that's short-sighted. But if the kid wants to be a pro, he's gone to one of the right places to test himself. Not easy to leave home and your friends. Not for everyone for sure--even some kids who think it's what they want but in reality would rather be home (right, Jordan Morris?!).






Jordan Morris.... think he did ok for himself . Signed a 3 year guaranteed contract worth around 700k at 21. His dad is chief medical Dr for Sounders. Think he’ll be ok
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/14/18 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my kid doesn’t get any college offers I’m sending him to Liverpool for a few years. I’m sure he will get lots of offers when he gets back. Great idea, I give those parents credit.


So now you are implying that he had no college offers.

When given a choice in life to be nice and just say congrats, or be a dick and say something mean, I guess we know what you choose on a regular basis.


I suspect a kid like this had many college offers! I think he made the bold choice and I applaud him for it, even if it does one day ruin his college eligibility for soccer. Will he rue the decision if he's ineligible because of dumb NCAA rules? Only up to him to decide. Some may think that's short-sighted. But if the kid wants to be a pro, he's gone to one of the right places to test himself. Not easy to leave home and your friends. Not for everyone for sure--even some kids who think it's what they want but in reality would rather be home (right, Jordan Morris?!).






Jordan Morris.... think he did ok for himself . Signed a 3 year guaranteed contract worth around 700k at 21. His dad is chief medical Dr for Sounders. Think he’ll be ok


You missed the point. Did it say Jordan Morris is not OK or won't be OK? It said playing in Europe wasn't for him and he decided it he'd rather not leave the comforts of home (including a big $$$ contract) to test himself at a higher level in the cauldron of German football. Is he OK? Yes. And again, it's only for him to decide what's OK and not a bunch of keyboard warrior dads. Just like what's OK for this BWG kid is for him to decide not you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/14/18 05:01 PM

International players don't face the college conundrum - they get an offer to go pro, or they don't, usually no later than 18. That's it. That's the path. Even if they can't make it professionally if they want to go back to university later they can because it doesn't cost $200,000 like it does here. Players not given contracts sometimes come here to play for our universities or to try MLS. Only in the US is sports part of the college picture. In football and basketball college is the farm system for the NFL and NBA. Hockey and baseball have their own systems. Soccer? It's not where you go to develop. It's where you go to help your coach win games and keep his job. Kids good enough to go pro will have loads of lucrative college offers. Turning that down is a tough choice for some. If you want to go to college later you better dave your Euros or thank your lucky stars your parents can help pay for it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/15/18 01:57 AM

Any updates on Cosmos? I feel every year I read another story about how they are hanging on by a thread financially. Isn't there a really wealthy Italian guy affiliated with them now? How come they can't get into the MLS? And what about the youth DA program? I really wish this program would flourish here on Long Island.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/15/18 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any updates on Cosmos? I feel every year I read another story about how they are hanging on by a thread financially. Isn't there a really wealthy Italian guy affiliated with them now? How come they can't get into the MLS? And what about the youth DA program? I really wish this program would flourish here on Long Island.


When the Cosmos first re-formed they tried to muscle their way into the MLS but with the creation of NYCFC, direct entry became a dead end.

Plan B was to play in the NASL and boost it's importance to the point of forcing MLS to consider a merger similar to how the ABA forced itself into the NBA. And while the Cosmos routinely beat MLS teams when given the chance, they were the only club in the NASL that could really afford that pursuit. The USSF got tired of the shenanigans and pushed the league down to 3rd tier status in an effort to kill that effort, and succeeded. The NASL still exists on paper but has suspended all play for the foreseeable future and lost most of the few teams it had left.

The Cosmos does have a very rich owner who is financing several lawsuits in long shot efforts to revive the NASL as a 2nd tier league but I suspect that he is just hoping that MLS offers the Cosmos a spot in their league to shut him up. In the meantime the owner is keeping the Cosmos name alive through the Cosmos B team playing in 4th tier NPSL and through it's youth academy program.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/15/18 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any updates on Cosmos? I feel every year I read another story about how they are hanging on by a thread financially. Isn't there a really wealthy Italian guy affiliated with them now? How come they can't get into the MLS? And what about the youth DA program? I really wish this program would flourish here on Long Island.


When the Cosmos first re-formed they tried to muscle their way into the MLS but with the creation of NYCFC, direct entry became a dead end.

Plan B was to play in the NASL and boost it's importance to the point of forcing MLS to consider a merger similar to how the ABA forced itself into the NBA. And while the Cosmos routinely beat MLS teams when given the chance, they were the only club in the NASL that could really afford that pursuit. The USSF got tired of the shenanigans and pushed the league down to 3rd tier status in an effort to kill that effort, and succeeded. The NASL still exists on paper but has suspended all play for the foreseeable future and lost most of the few teams it had left.


The Cosmos does have a very rich owner who is financing several lawsuits in long shot efforts to revive the NASL as a 2nd tier league but I suspect that he is just hoping that MLS offers the Cosmos a spot in their league to shut him up. In the meantime the owner is keeping the Cosmos name alive through the Cosmos B team playing in 4th tier NPSL and through it's youth academy program.


Thats a shame. Thats a big setback for LI soccer. In a perfect world they would be the pinnacle for the sport locallly and put out a great youth program. Instead we have new organizations every season with no shortage of team hoppers
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/16/18 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any updates on Cosmos? I feel every year I read another story about how they are hanging on by a thread financially. Isn't there a really wealthy Italian guy affiliated with them now? How come they can't get into the MLS? And what about the youth DA program? I really wish this program would flourish here on Long Island.


When the Cosmos first re-formed they tried to muscle their way into the MLS but with the creation of NYCFC, direct entry became a dead end.

Plan B was to play in the NASL and boost it's importance to the point of forcing MLS to consider a merger similar to how the ABA forced itself into the NBA. And while the Cosmos routinely beat MLS teams when given the chance, they were the only club in the NASL that could really afford that pursuit. The USSF got tired of the shenanigans and pushed the league down to 3rd tier status in an effort to kill that effort, and succeeded. The NASL still exists on paper but has suspended all play for the foreseeable future and lost most of the few teams it had left.

The Cosmos does have a very rich owner who is financing several lawsuits in long shot efforts to revive the NASL as a 2nd tier league but I suspect that he is just hoping that MLS offers the Cosmos a spot in their league to shut him up. In the meantime the owner is keeping the Cosmos name alive through the Cosmos B team playing in 4th tier NPSL and through it's youth academy program.



The Cosmos routinely beat MLS first teams? Please provide citations.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/16/18 02:13 AM

Jeffrey Saunders back in the spotlight ! Jeffrey had his son training with Met Oval's U17 academy team. Is his son with the Red Bulls and Jeffrey using Met Oval, it's Coaches, and players for his son's own personal training ground ? or has the prodigal son come home to "The Center of Excellence" ? USSF rules state academy players can not train with other clubs but these rules don't apply to Jeffrey. Can other Red Bull players train with other clubs ? no. Can kids from other academy clubs show up and train with Met Oval when it's convenient ? no.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/16/18 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any updates on Cosmos? I feel every year I read another story about how they are hanging on by a thread financially. Isn't there a really wealthy Italian guy affiliated with them now? How come they can't get into the MLS? And what about the youth DA program? I really wish this program would flourish here on Long Island.


When the Cosmos first re-formed they tried to muscle their way into the MLS but with the creation of NYCFC, direct entry became a dead end.

Plan B was to play in the NASL and boost it's importance to the point of forcing MLS to consider a merger similar to how the ABA forced itself into the NBA. And while the Cosmos routinely beat MLS teams when given the chance, they were the only club in the NASL that could really afford that pursuit. The USSF got tired of the shenanigans and pushed the league down to 3rd tier status in an effort to kill that effort, and succeeded. The NASL still exists on paper but has suspended all play for the foreseeable future and lost most of the few teams it had left.

The Cosmos does have a very rich owner who is financing several lawsuits in long shot efforts to revive the NASL as a 2nd tier league but I suspect that he is just hoping that MLS offers the Cosmos a spot in their league to shut him up. In the meantime the owner is keeping the Cosmos name alive through the Cosmos B team playing in 4th tier NPSL and through it's youth academy program.



The Cosmos routinely beat MLS first teams? Please provide citations.


Look up the success of the Cosmos in the US Open Cup. In the last few years they were in it they beat the Red Bulls and NYCFC (twice).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/16/18 02:55 AM

Cosmos DA program is doing just fine. They were given the U15 age group and have brought in Mendes and one of his players as coaches as well. Exciting times for the program.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/16/18 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Jeffrey Saunders back in the spotlight ! Jeffrey had his son training with Met Oval's U17 academy team. Is his son with the Red Bulls and Jeffrey using Met Oval, it's Coaches, and players for his son's own personal training ground ? or has the prodigal son come home to "The Center of Excellence" ? USSF rules state academy players can not train with other clubs but these rules don't apply to Jeffrey. Can other Red Bull players train with other clubs ? no. Can kids from other academy clubs show up and train with Met Oval when it's convenient ? no.



I do not see a problem with that. you will do the same ,.mind your own business .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/16/18 03:13 PM

the power of an heavy last name.

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/sour...ssia-dortmund/1dhjhllndk0p51d6f5fbx0cze5
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/16/18 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


I am sure kids like Haak, Justin wont get this opportunity!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/16/18 07:56 PM

Happens all the time with full knowledge of the coaches...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/17/18 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


I am sure kids like Haak, Justin wont get this opportunity!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


I am sure kids like Haak, Justin wont get this opportunity!

James Sands was the first player to sign a home grown contract with NYCFC. Now Sands is soon to be the first home grown cut by NYCFC. Sands has been sent to play in the USL unable to get playing time with the first team. He played with NYCFC’s U19 last season and was outshined and out classed by Justin Haak.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/17/18 03:11 AM

Somebody’s really pushing the Haak kid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/17/18 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cosmos DA program is doing just fine. They were given the U15 age group and have brought in Mendes and one of his players as coaches as well. Exciting times for the program.


Dont know how you say that. I hear sometimes you find out the location of practice on the day of the actual practice. I know you need strength and conditioning too. A bunch of boys came to tryouts when they heard (yet again) that the program might fold, and they just couldnt keep up cardiovascularly. I wish they were the premier club on LI, but they sre not there yet. The fact that its fully funded is the best part.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/17/18 02:00 PM

U don’t know what your talking about , he was the best player on the field in championship game. Stop trying to sell the Haak kid, he’s a very good player but they play different positions
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/17/18 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cosmos DA program is doing just fine. They were given the U15 age group and have brought in Mendes and one of his players as coaches as well. Exciting times for the program.


Dont know how you say that. I hear sometimes you find out the location of practice on the day of the actual practice. I know you need strength and conditioning too. A bunch of boys came to tryouts when they heard (yet again) that the program might fold, and they just couldnt keep up cardiovascularly. I wish they were the premier club on LI, but they sre not there yet. The fact that its fully funded is the best part.


Not True at all. All practice sessions and schedule were announced prior to the start of preseason.. And the complex being used is top notch.. Garden City Community Center Park.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/18/18 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cosmos DA program is doing just fine. They were given the U15 age group and have brought in Mendes and one of his players as coaches as well. Exciting times for the program.


Dont know how you say that. I hear sometimes you find out the location of practice on the day of the actual practice. I know you need strength and conditioning too. A bunch of boys came to tryouts when they heard (yet again) that the program might fold, and they just couldnt keep up cardiovascularly. I wish they were the premier club on LI, but they sre not there yet. The fact that its fully funded is the best part.


Not True at all. All practice sessions and schedule were announced prior to the start of preseason.. And the complex being used is top notch.. Garden City Community Center Park.


So you have never practiced in queens? I know others who have and only got a few hours notice that it woould be held there. If things are so rosey, why are people not waiting in line for a chance to play
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/18/18 10:05 PM

They need new coaches not gym teachers
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/18/18 11:36 PM

Does anyone know when the rosters for the academies are coming out?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/19/18 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cosmos DA program is doing just fine. They were given the U15 age group and have brought in Mendes and one of his players as coaches as well. Exciting times for the program.


Dont know how you say that. I hear sometimes you find out the location of practice on the day of the actual practice. I know you need strength and conditioning too. A bunch of boys came to tryouts when they heard (yet again) that the program might fold, and they just couldnt keep up cardiovascularly. I wish they were the premier club on LI, but they sre not there yet. The fact that its fully funded is the best part.


Not True at all. All practice sessions and schedule were announced prior to the start of preseason.. And the complex being used is top notch.. Garden City Community Center Park.


So you have never practiced in queens? I know others who have and only got a few hours notice that it woould be held there. If things are so rosey, why are people not waiting in line for a chance to play



Nope no Queens practices this year. All training in Garden City or Mitchell field. Don’t know what your talking about ? But no complaints so far.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/21/18 01:02 PM

When do new academy rosters 2018-2019 post on the USDA website?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/21/18 03:12 PM

Anyone know how the NYCFC vs NYRB 2005 game went last week?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/21/18 04:05 PM

Isn't there some club v DA game this week in this age group?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/21/18 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how the NYCFC vs NYRB 2005 game went last week?



I am sure many people don't know about this game. I don't remember them playing last season . for sure the best 2005"s in NY
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/21/18 06:28 PM

Oakwood hosting a charity tournament B U 12- B U14 on Sat 8/25 G U12- G U14 Sunday 8/26
Oakwood DA
Beachside DA
NYSC DA
FSA ESNL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/21/18 06:29 PM

heres the link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AafbW_N5oRZn1T2_0RDguo2n0nWasNx7Ay7W4LK3H18/edit#gid=0
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/21/18 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how the NYCFC vs NYRB 2005 game went last week?



I am sure many people don't know about this game. I don't remember them playing last season . for sure the best 2005"s in NY


Im confused. Since both teams have different rosters from last year, were they the best 05’s in the state last year and this upcoming year? Or were the kids they got rid of from last year the best but only now after they trained them they are no longer the best? Redbulls sais giant, athletic kids are now the best. But doesnt everyone say that the US is not the best because we value athleticism over talent? Anyway good luck to all the best boys. Enjoy the ride. Remember some other kid that thinks hes the best is coming.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/21/18 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Somebody’s really pushing the Haak kid.

Coach Tab Ramos has called up 12 players from MLS clubs in his latest U.S. Under-18 men’s national team roster, including JUSTIN HAAK as the squad that will represent the United States at the 2018 Vaclav Jezek Youth Tournament in the Czech Republic this week.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/21/18 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how the NYCFC vs NYRB 2005 game went last week?



I am sure many people don't know about this game. I don't remember them playing last season . for sure the best 2005"s in NY


Im confused. Since both teams have different rosters from last year, were they the best 05’s in the state last year and this upcoming year? Or were the kids they got rid of from last year the best but only now after they trained them they are no longer the best? Redbulls sais giant, athletic kids are now the best. But doesnt everyone say that the US is not the best because we value athleticism over talent? Anyway good luck to all the best boys. Enjoy the ride. Remember some other kid that thinks hes the best is coming.


Bingo. Good answer. 13 years old super starts becomes nothing at 15-16-17 . Not such thing as the best 2005 !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/21/18 10:56 PM

It’s 9v9. Who cares. Stop trying to indirectly talk up your kids team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 02:38 AM

The DA is a mess too. We are in no better shape globally due to the DA’s presence. Hopefully someday this will be rectified but for now cash is king. Developing connections is just as important as perfecting your craft unfortunately.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Anyone know how the NYCFC vs NYRB 2005 game went last week?



I am sure many people don't know about this game. I don't remember them playing last season . for sure the best 2005"s in NY


Im confused. Since both teams have different rosters from last year, were they the best 05’s in the state last year and this upcoming year? Or were the kids they got rid of from last year the best but only now after they trained them they are no longer the best? Redbulls sais giant, athletic kids are now the best. But doesnt everyone say that the US is not the best because we value athleticism over talent? Anyway good luck to all the best boys. Enjoy the ride. Remember some other kid that thinks hes the best is coming.



This has to be the best response of the year ! Props 2 u !!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 01:34 PM

always the same stuff - let me guess, when your kid is 15-16-17 that is when the coaches will "finally" recognize the talent and ability you've been frustrated they haven't seen yet and when your son will take the place of the current 13yo stars? You're the same guy that said last year stars at 12yo mean nothing and just wait until they are 14-15-16. Just keep pushing back year after year. Let me break it to you - while I'll be the first to agree there is always the occasional late bloomer that comes out of nowhere to establish themselves as a "star - your word" - the reality is the dye has been cast for most once they reach u14/u15 and you can see who the most competitive players are and will remain for the next few years. I know, not what you want to hear but often reality isn't.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
always the same stuff - let me guess, when your kid is 15-16-17 that is when the coaches will "finally" recognize the talent and ability you've been frustrated they haven't seen yet and when your son will take the place of the current 13yo stars? You're the same guy that said last year stars at 12yo mean nothing and just wait until they are 14-15-16. Just keep pushing back year after year. Let me break it to you - while I'll be the first to agree there is always the occasional late bloomer that comes out of nowhere to establish themselves as a "star - your word" - the reality is the dye has been cast for most once they reach u14/u15 and you can see who the most competitive players are and will remain for the next few years. I know, not what you want to hear but often reality isn't.


nope I don't agree dude.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 02:52 PM

Same argument Ive heard numerous times on your side too. You want to justify your travel, commitment, inability to play any school sport, your kids social life, by saying your “the best”. The fact of the matter is the DA is not exempt from any of the problems that any of the leagues you deem a lower level than yours. Just look at the history of how the MLS came about. Those kids all got in on the “ground floor” as they were RDS kids. Many of these kids played on the same club teams. So basically the MLS guys have relationships with certain coaches, take their recommendations and waa lah theres your all star team. In fact, many were slated to be Red Bulls until City deceided they were going to have a team and offered the same kids a spot on their roster. Most jumped ship because city was funded and Redbulls werent. Plus the commute was much better. Ive also heard many stories of money changing hands but i have no proof of that. So here we are 3 years later and both rosters have changed drastically (more Redbulls than city). So if your philosophy is correct where “the dye has been cast” and most kids who were the best at U12 are the same as at U17 then why has Redbulls made so many cuts. You can make the argument that the current practices of the DA is hurting our sport alot more than helping. Those kids they cherry picked at 12 were “the best”. After training those kids for a year or 2 they were replaced with kids they deem “better”. Usually bigger more athletic kids. Consider your argument debunked.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same argument Ive heard numerous times on your side too. You want to justify your travel, commitment, inability to play any school sport, your kids social life, by saying your “the best”. The fact of the matter is the DA is not exempt from any of the problems that any of the leagues you deem a lower level than yours. Just look at the history of how the MLS came about. Those kids all got in on the “ground floor” as they were RDS kids. Many of these kids played on the same club teams. So basically the MLS guys have relationships with certain coaches, take their recommendations and waa lah theres your all star team. In fact, many were slated to be Red Bulls until City deceided they were going to have a team and offered the same kids a spot on their roster. Most jumped ship because city was funded and Redbulls werent. Plus the commute was much better. Ive also heard many stories of money changing hands but i have no proof of that. So here we are 3 years later and both rosters have changed drastically (more Redbulls than city). So if your philosophy is correct where “the dye has been cast” and most kids who were the best at U12 are the same as at U17 then why has Redbulls made so many cuts. You can make the argument that the current practices of the DA is hurting our sport alot more than helping. Those kids they cherry picked at 12 were “the best”. After training those kids for a year or 2 they were replaced with kids they deem “better”. Usually bigger more athletic kids. Consider your argument debunked.
I'd like to know how many of the kids that participated in the RDS program and residential camps at younger ages are actually playing with Red Bulls, mu guess, less than 15%. The Red Bulls thank you for your $$$!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same argument Ive heard numerous times on your side too. You want to justify your travel, commitment, inability to play any school sport, your kids social life, by saying your “the best”. The fact of the matter is the DA is not exempt from any of the problems that any of the leagues you deem a lower level than yours. Just look at the history of how the MLS came about. Those kids all got in on the “ground floor” as they were RDS kids. Many of these kids played on the same club teams. So basically the MLS guys have relationships with certain coaches, take their recommendations and waa lah theres your all star team. In fact, many were slated to be Red Bulls until City deceided they were going to have a team and offered the same kids a spot on their roster. Most jumped ship because city was funded and Redbulls werent. Plus the commute was much better. Ive also heard many stories of money changing hands but i have no proof of that. So here we are 3 years later and both rosters have changed drastically (more Redbulls than city). So if your philosophy is correct where “the dye has been cast” and most kids who were the best at U12 are the same as at U17 then why has Redbulls made so many cuts. You can make the argument that the current practices of the DA is hurting our sport alot more than helping. Those kids they cherry picked at 12 were “the best”. After training those kids for a year or 2 they were replaced with kids they deem “better”. Usually bigger more athletic kids. Consider your argument debunked.

best answer !!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my kid doesn’t get any college offers I’m sending him to Liverpool for a few years. I’m sure he will get lots of offers when he gets back. Great idea, I give those parents credit.


So now you are implying that he had no college offers.

When given a choice in life to be nice and just say congrats, or be a dick and say something mean, I guess we know what you choose on a regular basis.


I suspect a kid like this had many college offers! I think he made the bold choice and I applaud him for it, even if it does one day ruin his college eligibility for soccer. Will he rue the decision if he's ineligible because of dumb NCAA rules? Only up to him to decide. Some may think that's short-sighted. But if the kid wants to be a pro, he's gone to one of the right places to test himself. Not easy to leave home and your friends. Not for everyone for sure--even some kids who think it's what they want but in reality would rather be home (right, Jordan Morris?!).



a quick update....looks like the kid is doing just fine...

http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/liv...18s-form-puts-him-on-united-states-radar
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my kid doesn’t get any college offers I’m sending him to Liverpool for a few years. I’m sure he will get lots of offers when he gets back. Great idea, I give those parents credit.


So now you are implying that he had no college offers.

When given a choice in life to be nice and just say congrats, or be a dick and say something mean, I guess we know what you choose on a regular basis.


I suspect a kid like this had many college offers! I think he made the bold choice and I applaud him for it, even if it does one day ruin his college eligibility for soccer. Will he rue the decision if he's ineligible because of dumb NCAA rules? Only up to him to decide. Some may think that's short-sighted. But if the kid wants to be a pro, he's gone to one of the right places to test himself. Not easy to leave home and your friends. Not for everyone for sure--even some kids who think it's what they want but in reality would rather be home (right, Jordan Morris?!).



a quick update....looks like the kid is doing just fine...

http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/liv...18s-form-puts-him-on-united-states-radar


There you go. Kid played for the US national team at U14 but due to his physical stature our soccer brains passed on him. Liverpool disagreed and now:

Sources said Liverpool did not face competition in the pursuit of Ritaccio -- with his lack of physical stature perhaps not fitting the profile of other clubs -- but they recognised his footballing ability early and are now benefiting from their patient approach and Ritaccio's recent growth spurt.


Ritaccio, who also holds an Italian passport, has represented the United States at youth level. He played for the U14s but has not been called back since, though there is hope that, having now caught up with his peers in physical stature, he will return to the international stage sooner rather than later.


This is a great article. I hope everyone on here supports this boy. Truly wonderful.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same argument Ive heard numerous times on your side too. You want to justify your travel, commitment, inability to play any school sport, your kids social life, by saying your “the best”. The fact of the matter is the DA is not exempt from any of the problems that any of the leagues you deem a lower level than yours. Just look at the history of how the MLS came about. Those kids all got in on the “ground floor” as they were RDS kids. Many of these kids played on the same club teams. So basically the MLS guys have relationships with certain coaches, take their recommendations and waa lah theres your all star team. In fact, many were slated to be Red Bulls until City deceided they were going to have a team and offered the same kids a spot on their roster. Most jumped ship because city was funded and Redbulls werent. Plus the commute was much better. Ive also heard many stories of money changing hands but i have no proof of that. So here we are 3 years later and both rosters have changed drastically (more Redbulls than city). So if your philosophy is correct where “the dye has been cast” and most kids who were the best at U12 are the same as at U17 then why has Redbulls made so many cuts. You can make the argument that the current practices of the DA is hurting our sport alot more than helping. Those kids they cherry picked at 12 were “the best”. After training those kids for a year or
2 they were replaced with kids they deem “better”. Usually bigger more athletic kids. Consider your argument debunked.
I'd like to know how many of the kids that participated in the RDS program and residential camps at younger ages are actually playing with Red Bulls, mu guess, less than 15%. The Red Bulls thank you for your $$$!


The inaugural year most of the roster was from RDS then City took a bunch leaving Redbulls floudering. By now many of those kids have benn replaced for early bloomers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 06:17 PM

first RDS 2005 . what a mess.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 06:52 PM

You sound insane - neither Red Bulls (btw, hasn't been RDS for two years) or NYCFC are floundering. City went undefeated last year in DA league play and RB weren't far behind. Both teams are not only amongst the class of the local DA landscape but quite frankly, amongst the class of the national 2005 DA picture. Has there been and will there continue to be consistent but modest turnover on both teams, yes. Has the core foundation for both squads been in place and continue to be in place for both teams, you bet ya. Both programs dedicate significant time and cost to not only ID the best players but the players that have the highest ceiling. I wish all the boys luck but having been down this road with my older kids before, the same parent that keeps saying wait until they are 16 is the same parent at 16 that will whine to everyone that the process is unfair and their kid didn't get a fair shake. Both programs at this point have been importing a few players that have relocated locally and internationally to play at this level. While that may put the boys on the team on notice, should also put all the late bloomers on notice as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You sound insane - neither Red Bulls (btw, hasn't been RDS for two years) or NYCFC are floundering. City went undefeated last year in DA league play and RB weren't far behind. Both teams are not only amongst the class of the local DA landscape but quite frankly, amongst the class of the national 2005 DA picture. Has there been and will there continue to be consistent but modest turnover on both teams, yes. Has the core foundation for both squads been in place and continue to be in place for both teams, you bet ya. Both programs dedicate significant time and cost to not only ID the best players but the players that have the highest ceiling. I wish all the boys luck but having been down this road with my older kids before, the same parent that keeps saying wait until they are 16 is the same parent at 16 that will whine to everyone that the process is unfair and their kid didn't get a fair shake. Both programs at this point have been importing a few players that have relocated locally and internationally to play at this level. While that may put the boys on the team on notice, should also put all the late bloomers on notice as well.

Undefeated. What about Spanish team ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 10:13 PM

if by Spanish team you mean the 1-0 loss to FC Barcelona, that was the year before (June, 2017) and I'm pretty sure the thread said in DA league play. so sorry to disappoint
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 10:22 PM

How do i sound insane? What part of my post is incorrect? You need to do a better job reading. The word floundering was used in a specific content referring to how the Redbulls were left without half a team after City took them, not referring to your record. You need to stay on topic. Someone claimed they are “the best”. My question was if they get the best players why should any ever need to be replaced? You mean to tell me after recruiting “the best” player one year and training them in their philosophy that they need to be replaced after just 1 year for another kid who they think is better than the previous “best” kid. Come on. There is a revolving door and plenty of politics in your organizations. Furthermore, who sais your playing the best? I know for a fact the youth team at DC united is not the best team in their area. Bottom line is calm down with “the best” comments when your club feels the need to replace its kids with bigger, more athletic “ better” kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/22/18 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If my kid doesn’t get any college offers I’m sending him to Liverpool for a few years. I’m sure he will get lots of offers when he gets back. Great idea, I give those parents credit.


So now you are implying that he had no college offers.

When given a choice in life to be nice and just say congrats, or be a dick and say something mean, I guess we know what you choose on a regular basis.


I suspect a kid like this had many college offers! I think he made the bold choice and I applaud him for it, even if it does one day ruin his college eligibility for soccer. Will he rue the decision if he's ineligible because of dumb NCAA rules? Only up to him to decide. Some may think that's short-sighted. But if the kid wants to be a pro, he's gone to one of the right places to test himself. Not easy to leave home and your friends. Not for everyone for sure--even some kids who think it's what they want but in reality would rather be home (right, Jordan Morris?!).



a quick update....looks like the kid is doing just fine...

http://www.espn.com/soccer/club/liv...18s-form-puts-him-on-united-states-radar

I hope the kid makes it. Great kid from a great family but he's an average player at best. The U18 US National team is in Vrchlabí, Czech Republic to compete in the 2018 Vaclav Jezek Youth Tournament from Aug. 18-26. Local phenom Justin Haak is with the national team along with NYCFC teammate Nico Benalcazar. The big news is Reyna is reportedly going to sign with Borussia Dortmund on his 16th birthday this November. The son of one of the all-time USMNT greats will follow Christian Pulisic to one of the biggest clubs in Germany. Reyna is one of the brightest talents in his age range with smooth skills on the ball. Let’s hope he can replicate Pulisic’s success.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/24/18 01:51 PM

met oval 20O4 beat NYCFC 2004 in a friendly 1-0
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/24/18 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You sound insane - neither Red Bulls (btw, hasn't been RDS for two years) or NYCFC are floundering. City went undefeated last year in DA league play and RB weren't far behind. Both teams are not only amongst the class of the local DA landscape but quite frankly, amongst the class of the national 2005 DA picture. Has there been and will there continue to be consistent but modest turnover on both teams, yes. Has the core foundation for both squads been in place and continue to be in place for both teams, you bet ya. Both programs dedicate significant time and cost to not only ID the best players but the players that have the highest ceiling. I wish all the boys luck but having been down this road with my older kids before, the same parent that keeps saying wait until they are 16 is the same parent at 16 that will whine to everyone that the process is unfair and their kid didn't get a fair shake. Both programs at this point have been importing a few players that have relocated locally and internationally to play at this level. While that may put the boys on the team on notice, should also put all the late bloomers on notice as well.

Undefeated. What about Spanish team ?

both teams are very good. and yes is the best in NY
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/24/18 02:12 PM

[quote=Anonymous]met oval 20O4 beat NYCFC 2004 in a friendly 1-0[/quo

just pre season dude . let the season stars .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/24/18 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]met oval 20O4 beat NYCFC 2004 in a friendly 1-0[/quo

just pre season dude . let the season stars .


Yawn.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/24/18 04:10 PM

Not impressed with NYCFC last season. Red Bulls are by far the best program in the tri-state.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/24/18 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not impressed with NYCFC last season. Red Bulls are by far the best program in the tri-state.

maybe 2004 boys but the rest of the age groups are top /
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/24/18 05:13 PM

It's too bad that NYCFC won't receive solidarity payments or training reimbursement for Gio. Speaks volumes about how far the MLS still has to go - no matter how they spin it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/24/18 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not impressed with NYCFC last season. Red Bulls are by far the best program in the tri-state.

maybe 2004 boys but the rest of the age groups are top /

Someone said to me that NYCFC cut almost all 03 players, it is true?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/25/18 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
met oval 20O4 beat NYCFC 2004 in a friendly 1-0


Let me fix that for you, you mean, NYCFC 2004 Farm team beat NYCFC 2004
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/25/18 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not impressed with NYCFC last season. Red Bulls are by far the best program in the tri-state.

maybe 2004 boys but the rest of the age groups are top /

Someone said to me that NYCFC cut almost all 03 players, it is true?


No idea, but this is the 03 “gap” year, Wint many of the U16/17 teams be made up of 02s? Not really a surprise if they are, although NYCFC appeared to me to be one of the only clubs willing to stock higher level age groups with younger players.

Take a look a Gottschee roster on USSDA site, mostly 02s.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/26/18 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not impressed with NYCFC last season. Red Bulls are by far the best program in the tri-state.

maybe 2004 boys but the rest of the age groups are top /

Someone said to me that NYCFC cut almost all 03 players, it is true?


No idea, but this is the 03 “gap” year, Wint many of the U16/17 teams be made up of 02s? Not really a surprise if they are, although NYCFC appeared to me to be one of the only clubs willing to stock higher level age groups with younger players.

Take a look a Gottschee roster on USSDA site, mostly 02s.


Yes when kids go from a full U15 squad to the combined U16/17 many will not make the cut. usually there may be a handful of younger ones with the majority of the roster being the older players. That's why they're trying to run a U16-only league to keep those players at their clubs and still developing. In reality some of those players will still never make the team the following year. Some clubs were running "pre-academy" teams for this age group before (usually in EDP) but now it will be an actual "thing." Supposedly USSF will split U16/17 after this year and only have U18/19 as a combined age group. This is a good test for that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/26/18 08:16 PM

In my anonymous and humble opinion I've always believed that U16 is a critical year in the development process and should have it's own designation. I've not heard any talk of that happening but I hope it's true. The only issue would be the burden on clubs to staff enough A and B coaches and also provide the infrastructure to support the training requirements of the DA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 12:08 PM

Metoval, Gotschee and other academies keep their U16 and play them in the NEPAL league with most of the other academies, seems that NYCFC is not interested in keeping those U16 players ...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 12:54 PM

and little jack is goin to play again with 2001. BWG rosters are out . older kids working for him ,passing to him ,defending for him running for him . of course he will take free kicks and penalties .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 01:21 PM

Again the smaller clubs do the work to have a U16 age group while the MLS teams that have all the money and resources don’t care about these players and rather benefit from the efforts from the other academies. Redbulls and NYCFC should keep developing those players and not send them to other places for a year and making false promises that they are going to take them back.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's too bad that NYCFC won't receive solidarity payments or training reimbursement for Gio. Speaks volumes about how far the MLS still has to go - no matter how they spin it.


Didn't NYSC do more of his training than NYCFC?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 04:18 PM

Where r the official rosters out? Send link please.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 04:49 PM

Some of the DA Rosters are out but not all, there is only 1 player listed in Red Bulls U16/17 for instance, his father (starts with S) is known to this board... wonder what, if any, significance that has.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 04:54 PM

Same player appears on both Met Oval and Red Bulls U16/17 Rosters (only player shown)

http://nyrb.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7541756

http://oval.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7534336
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
and little jack is goin to play again with 2001. BWG rosters are out . older kids working for him ,passing to him ,defending for him running for him . of course he will take free kicks and penalties .

Anything to pad the stats!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same player appears on both Met Oval and Red Bulls U16/17 Rosters (only player shown)

http://nyrb.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7541756

http://oval.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7534336


How is this approved US Soccer?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where r the official rosters out? Send link please.

http://bwgt.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7404556
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 06:53 PM

results of NYRB05 VS PDA05 ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some of the DA Rosters are out but not all, there is only 1 player listed in Red Bulls U16/17 for instance, his father (starts with S) is known to this board... wonder what, if any, significance that has.


I wonder why are all you guys "STIFF" for "S". Cut the player some slack...I seen him play against our team and he appears to be one of the stronger players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/27/18 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same player appears on both Met Oval and Red Bulls U16/17 Rosters (only player shown)

http://nyrb.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7541756

http://oval.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7534336

Miss Jeffrey Saunders finally woke up. He's done everything in his power to get his son on an MLS team, Red Bulls, NYCFC, and Philly Union. He sees the doors Paul McGlynn has been able to open up for his son by keeping him close at Gottschee so Saunders will now keep his son close to him at Met Oval. Saunders now has the power to send his son to every national training camp and possibly the U17 national team along side Gio Reyna. It took a while but Miss Jeffrey Saunders is learning how US Academy Soccer Politics work.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/28/18 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same player appears on both Met Oval and Red Bulls U16/17 Rosters (only player shown)

http://nyrb.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7541756

http://oval.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7534336


How is this approved US Soccer?


Oversight on their part.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/28/18 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Same player appears on both Met Oval and Red Bulls U16/17 Rosters (only player shown)

http://nyrb.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7541756

http://oval.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7534336


How is this approved US Soccer?


Oversight on their part.


It's a glitch on the website that will go away when the teams are posted. You guys are conspiracy theorists
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/29/18 06:18 PM


too many kids playing in NY and only a few good academies
(NYCFC OR NYRB) this creates a lot of jealousy. between parents . parents think their kids deserve to be on top academies but is only for a few.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/30/18 12:50 PM

glad to see a kid from Stamford FC 2005 at NYRB ACADEMY . A none DA group.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/30/18 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
glad to see a kid from Stamford FC 2005 at NYRB ACADEMY . A none DA group.

I know the kid it was about time. the kid is good ,fast and strong.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/30/18 06:51 PM

the majority of DA rosters are out . I see a lot of change
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/30/18 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
the majority of DA rosters are out . I see a lot of change


Yea More than half (9) of NYCFC U15 Roster is compromised of BWG or NY COSMOS players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/30/18 09:12 PM

MetOval still not out
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/31/18 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
MetOval still not out

is out now .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 08/31/18 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MetOval still not out

is out now .

It looks like Met Ovals U17s dumped all there players and got a whole new team. Jeffrey’s son is on there
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/02/18 03:38 AM

Ceder Stars 05 - MetOval 05 3-6
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/02/18 04:54 AM

it seems that NYCFC cleaned the house, new director and new coaches, also the younger reyna kid is in NYCFC, just because of his dad, what a shame...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/02/18 10:47 PM

What’s wrong with the FC Westchester DA 04? The coaching sucks, as it was last year.
Is it the fault of the players if the team loses, as said by the coach at halftime, or because coaching by yelling
and substituting players because of politics (every player should play! )? I would say the latter. Where are the promises
of last year when it was said that the U-15 are competitive and the best players of the week will play?
The players are not bad, coaching is! A good coach understands the players, knows how to motivate them and make them grow. Not by yelling
or putting them down. This team deserves good Coaches. The fees paid are high enough to allow FCW to hire such coaches.
Mediocre coaches will never allow players to thrive
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/02/18 11:08 PM

FCW has gone through a management change and that change is for the worst. Here we go again with these self aggrandized soccer gods. George G is the very worst, and the new board is in the process of damaging the club...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/02/18 11:23 PM

The lack of Latino representation (admittedly, based entirely on last names) on the NYCFC rosters is an embarrassment.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/02/18 11:30 PM

I'm not at FC Westchester, but it is almost the same in every club MLS or not. Very few coaches are qualified to work with young players and to really have a deep understanding of the game. A "B" license doesn't mean much.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s wrong with the FC Westchester DA 04? The coaching sucks, as it was last year.
Is it the fault of the players if the team loses, as said by the coach at halftime, or because coaching by yelling
and substituting players because of politics (every player should play! )? I would say the latter. Where are the promises
of last year when it was said that the U-15 are competitive and the best players of the week will play?
The players are not bad, coaching is! A good coach understands the players, knows how to motivate them and make them grow. Not by yelling
or putting them down. This team deserves good Coaches. The fees paid are high enough to allow FCW to hire such coaches.
Mediocre coaches will never allow players to thrive

Well, when the coach/Director of Soccer Operations is better known for being a mechanic, instead of soccer coaching, it's not surprising the coaching is terrible. The entire 05 DA team would tell you how bad he was last year. It is sweet that he gets to coach his son this year though!

And, really aside from Steve Carson (who is excellent), what other good coaches does FCW have left? Club has taken a major detour south after Ryan Casey went back to Ireland and the mechanic fired Mick O'Brien in an ego fit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s wrong with the FC Westchester DA 04? The coaching sucks, as it was last year.
Is it the fault of the players if the team loses, as said by the coach at halftime, or because coaching by yelling
and substituting players because of politics (every player should play! )? I would say the latter. Where are the promises
of last year when it was said that the U-15 are competitive and the best players of the week will play?
The players are not bad, coaching is! A good coach understands the players, knows how to motivate them and make them grow. Not by yelling
or putting them down. This team deserves good Coaches. The fees paid are high enough to allow FCW to hire such coaches.
Mediocre coaches will never allow players to thrive

Well, when the coach/Director of Soccer Operations is better known for being a mechanic, instead of soccer coaching, it's not surprising the coaching is terrible. The entire 05 DA team would tell you how bad he was last year. It is sweet that he gets to coach his son this year though!

And, really aside from Steve Carson (who is excellent), what other good coaches does FCW have left? Club has taken a major detour south after Ryan Casey went back to Ireland and the mechanic fired Mick O'Brien in an ego fit.


Yeah -- Mick was a dream. Could relate to his '05 players because he was about as mature as a 12-year old. Remind us again how many more DA invites than slots he handed out to '05 players before last year.
Posted By: LIRef77

(NA) Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not at FC Westchester, but it is almost the same in every club MLS or not. Very few coaches are qualified to work with young players and to really have a deep understanding of the game. A "B" license doesn't mean much.


Any Coach that talks about winning or puts winning above all else will never have the ability to develop players because the players will never be allowed to make mistakes without negative reinforcement. A good Coach can correct in a way that makes the player better without building resentment. Too many people believe that wins equal success and that wins are the only measure of progress. That is a major impediment for a player’s development today.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 02:27 AM

R u kidding me. The lack of Latinos. U do realize that being Latino doesn’t make u a good soccer player
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s wrong with the FC Westchester DA 04? The coaching sucks, as it was last year.
Is it the fault of the players if the team loses, as said by the coach at halftime, or because coaching by yelling
and substituting players because of politics (every player should play! )? I would say the latter. Where are the promises
of last year when it was said that the U-15 are competitive and the best players of the week will play?
The players are not bad, coaching is! A good coach understands the players, knows how to motivate them and make them grow. Not by yelling
or putting them down. This team deserves good Coaches. The fees paid are high enough to allow FCW to hire such coaches.
Mediocre coaches will never allow players to thrive

Well, when the coach/Director of Soccer Operations is better known for being a mechanic, instead of soccer coaching, it's not surprising the coaching is terrible. The entire 05 DA team would tell you how bad he was last year. It is sweet that he gets to coach his son this year though!

And, really aside from Steve Carson (who is excellent), what other good coaches does FCW have left? Club has taken a major detour south after Ryan Casey went back to Ireland and the mechanic fired Mick O'Brien in an ego fit.


Yeah -- Mick was a dream. Could relate to his '05 players because he was about as mature as a 12-year old. Remind us again how many more DA invites than slots he handed out to '05 players before last year.




My son played for Mick at FCW and was part of the 2005 team. Every one of those kids would have run through a wall of fire for him. He was truly beloved by most players and parents. He was firm but patient. He could relate to the kids but still bring discipline when warranted. He was an outstanding teacher of the game and got the most out of nearly every player on that squad. When he left, that 2005 team really struggled. They fired Mick, they fired Bashi, they fired Mulhare...last year was a mess. The kids were miserable. Bottom line, the product on the field really took huge steps backwards without him.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s wrong with the FC Westchester DA 04? The coaching sucks, as it was last year.
Is it the fault of the players if the team loses, as said by the coach at halftime, or because coaching by yelling
and substituting players because of politics (every player should play! )? I would say the latter. Where are the promises
of last year when it was said that the U-15 are competitive and the best players of the week will play?
The players are not bad, coaching is! A good coach understands the players, knows how to motivate them and make them grow. Not by yelling
or putting them down. This team deserves good Coaches. The fees paid are high enough to allow FCW to hire such coaches.
Mediocre coaches will never allow players to thrive

Well, when the coach/Director of Soccer Operations is better known for being a mechanic, instead of soccer coaching, it's not surprising the coaching is terrible. The entire 05 DA team would tell you how bad he was last year. It is sweet that he gets to coach his son this year though!

And, really aside from Steve Carson (who is excellent), what other good coaches does FCW have left? Club has taken a major detour south after Ryan Casey went back to Ireland and the mechanic fired Mick O'Brien in an ego fit.


Yeah -- Mick was a dream. Could relate to his '05 players because he was about as mature as a 12-year old. Remind us again how many more DA invites than slots he handed out to '05 players before last year.




My son played for Mick at FCW and was part of the 2005 team. Every one of those kids would have run through a wall of fire for him. He was truly beloved by most players and parents. He was firm but patient. He could relate to the kids but still bring discipline when warranted. He was an outstanding teacher of the game and got the most out of nearly every player on that squad. When he left, that 2005 team really struggled. They fired Mick, they fired Bashi, they fired Mulhare...last year was a mess. The kids were miserable. Bottom line, the product on the field really took huge steps backwards without him.



Mik was a dik. Just because the kids liked him didn't mean he was a good coach or a good person. Losing Ryan Casey was the real loss.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 07:32 PM

If you can’t appreciate Mick as a coach, then you have never coached. His teams play with discipline and passion. He knows it is about development not wins at the younger ages. He also understands how to communicate soccer to kids. Great teacher of the game. FCW is a lesser place without him and Casey
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 07:51 PM

Mick is a great coach. Maybe not the best organizer in the world (hence the tryout and false acceptance snafu), but a great coach.

Losing Ryan was the worst loss for FCW. After he left, his job was split with George the Mechanic getting a good amount of power. Anyone know why the FCW Board like George so much? Free car repairs?? Because it certainly can't be his skill (really lack thereof) as a soccer coach and administrator.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 08:37 PM

Reading these posts you see examples of parents upset about the nepotism that appears over-and-over - at FCW, Gottschee, Met Oval, and Beachside, all places where directors have sons playing DA. I'd imagine that many of these guys don't make much money from these endeavors and see the special treatment of their own sons and friends as the reward for doing what they do. And that's the way the worls works and I don't blame them for it or expect it to be different because it's soccer. In an ideal situation they should step away from coaching and influencing their son's team and let an unbiased opinion run the show - but where does that really happen? The karmic beauty is that this game exposes those that can't play and their sons and friends will eventually get weeded out.
Posted By: Larry Miller

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Mick is a great coach. Maybe not the best organizer in the world (hence the tryout and false acceptance snafu), but a great coach.

Losing Ryan was the worst loss for FCW. After he left, his job was split with George the Mechanic getting a good amount of power. Anyone know why the FCW Board like George so much? Free car repairs?? Because it certainly can't be his skill (really lack thereof) as a soccer coach and administrator.


I have to agree with you about George. Someone let him head up the FCW. What a [****] jerk. BTW, what's with this Sean Traynor guy whose is George's, Boy George?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 10:09 PM

Nowhere in any of the USSF licence courses, or teaching in general, does it say that yelling and public humiliation are effective teaching tools. Anytime I see a coach doing that I think it's a demonstrative show to imply knowledge and importance, when in fact it is cover for the opposite.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/03/18 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you can’t appreciate Mick as a coach, then you have never coached. His teams play with discipline and passion. He knows it is about development not wins at the younger ages. He also understands how to communicate soccer to kids. Great teacher of the game. FCW is a lesser place without him and Casey


Mick had his favorites, and whether you were one or not determined your experience with him. The 10 or so kids that weren’t his favorites that year got little attention and less coaching. He determined who would be on his DA team by mid-October and everyone else wasted the next 7 months not being being coached or developed. Blue team players and parents loved him, white team players and parents did not.

There’s more to being a good coach, especially a good coach of boys, than what happens on field, even if what happens on the field is discipline or passion.

Also, I have never seen a coach so permissive of boys openly and meanly criticizing their teammates on the field. A half dozen of the chosen boys were outright nasty and he did nothing. Fortunately, as life sometimes has a way of working, the nastiest of the boys ended up getting his karmic rewards.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/04/18 01:14 AM

That may be your perception, but I think you are completely wrong. My son was a white player. He was not offered a DA slot by Mick. And he would still tell you that he was by far the best teacher of soccer he ever had. And by the way, there were white team members selected to DA. There were no sacred cows. And my son got great instruction through season end. Yes, he focused on the DA players at the very end...but he never stopped coaching. You’re not going to please everyone. But the vast majority loved him
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/04/18 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The lack of Latino representation (admittedly, based entirely on last names) on the NYCFC rosters is an embarrassment.


Not alot of French or UK kids either. So biased.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/04/18 01:30 PM

HOME - Philadelphia Union U-15 4 GOAL AWAY - New York City FC U-15 1 GOAL


NYCF doesn't look good .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/04/18 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The lack of Latino representation (admittedly, based entirely on last names) on the NYCFC rosters is an embarrassment.


Not alot of French or UK kids either. So biased.


Nearly 30% of NYC's population is Latino and Latino children have a much higher participation rate than non-Latino children in youth soccer.

Now consider that alongside the fact that NYC's high school soccer team rosters are dominated by Latino players and free to play.

Now consider that NYCFC's primary talent pipeline is very expensive pay-to-play clubs.

Can you connect the dots here?

Also, it's the US Soccer DA, so unless you don't think Latinos are American, what relevance does the fact that there are not many UK or French Nationals in the NYCFC system have?

Cue up the libtard and Hilary voter reply...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/04/18 04:04 PM

Different poster here - I don't think the under representation of Latino players is primarily the fault of NYCFC or NYRB (except indirectly as shareholders in MLS). Rather, it is US Soccer and the system as a whole that has failed the country and especially the Latino-American communities. The deliberate choices that have established and supported the pay to play system result in a failure of system that largely overlooks Latino leagues, the inner cities and poor people in general, all the while generating huge amounts of case for favored US soccer insiders and MLS/SUM owners.

But I know that both clubs - especially NYCFC - try and cast a wide net to locate the best soccer talent. For example, there is a Latino 2005 on NYCFC that came from a Yonkers travel team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/04/18 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Different poster here - I don't think the under representation of Latino players is primarily the fault of NYCFC or NYRB (except indirectly as shareholders in MLS). Rather, it is US Soccer and the system as a whole that has failed the country and especially the Latino-American communities. The deliberate choices that have established and supported the pay to play system result in a failure of system that largely overlooks Latino leagues, the inner cities and poor people in general, all the while generating huge amounts of case for favored US soccer insiders and MLS/SUM owners.

But I know that both clubs - especially NYCFC - try and cast a wide net to locate the best soccer talent. For example, there is a Latino 2005 on NYCFC that came from a Yonkers travel team.

also NYRB got a kid from standford FC travel team .2005
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/04/18 07:36 PM

I think the under representation of white Irish kids is racism, where are all the murphys and fitzpatricks, and there are a lot of Irish in newyork, disgracefull !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/04/18 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The lack of Latino representation (admittedly, based entirely on last names) on the NYCFC rosters is an embarrassment.


Not alot of French or UK kids either. So biased.


Nearly 30% of NYC's population is Latino and Latino children have a much higher participation rate than non-Latino children in youth soccer.

Now consider that alongside the fact that NYC's high school soccer team rosters are dominated by Latino players and free to play.

Now consider that NYCFC's primary talent pipeline is very expensive pay-to-play clubs.

Can you connect the dots here?

Also, it's the US Soccer DA, so unless you don't think Latinos are American, what relevance does the fact that there are not many UK or French Nationals in the NYCFC system have?

Cue up the libtard and Hilary voter reply...


I think the irony is lost on you. Your response is spot on libtard.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/04/18 10:38 PM

That's true, I just looked at the rosters, and there's a lot of Latino sounding names and no Irish sounding, maybe some selectors are racists, just sayin.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nowhere in any of the USSF licence courses, or teaching in general, does it say that yelling and public humiliation are effective teaching tools. Anytime I see a coach doing that I think it's a demonstrative show to imply knowledge and importance, when in fact it is cover for the opposite.


Never have seen not heard of a top level international player developed following these USSF license courses methodology. In fact some of the better coaches related to US Soccer for years have sent their kids abroad, go figure.

Think pop warner football coaches are sweet talking " do you understand" into inner city children's ear?

The moral of this is what we are being told is the right way to coach is not working. Realistically there is some players that need to be yelled at to process information and others who totally wouldn't benefit from this.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think the under representation of white Irish kids is racism, where are all the murphys and fitzpatricks, and there are a lot of Irish in newyork, disgracefull !


American indians aren't represented at all in NY.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The lack of Latino representation (admittedly, based entirely on last names) on the NYCFC rosters is an embarrassment.


Not alot of French or UK kids either. So biased.


Nearly 30% of NYC's population is Latino and Latino children have a much higher participation rate than non-Latino children in youth soccer.

Now consider that alongside the fact that NYC's high school soccer team rosters are dominated by Latino players and free to play.

Now consider that NYCFC's primary talent pipeline is very expensive pay-to-play clubs.

Can you connect the dots here?



Also, it's the US Soccer DA, so unless you don't think Latinos are American, what relevance does the fact that there are not many UK or French Nationals in the NYCFC system have?

Cue up the libtard and Hilary voter reply...


I think the irony is lost on you. Your response is spot on libtard.



I think any mention of Nationality is silly. No matter what the predominant nationality on the team is, other groups will claim to be underepresented. On a side note last years Long Island Championship was Uniondale (almost 100% Latino) VS. Half hollow hills West (no Latinos). The winner was Half Hollow. Argument is debunked.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nowhere in any of the USSF licence courses, or teaching in general, does it say that yelling and public humiliation are effective teaching tools. Anytime I see a coach doing that I think it's a demonstrative show to imply knowledge and importance, when in fact it is cover for the opposite.


Never have seen not heard of a top level international player developed following these USSF license courses methodology. In fact some of the better coaches related to US Soccer for years have sent their kids abroad, go figure.

Think pop warner football coaches are sweet talking " do you understand" into inner city children's ear?

The moral of this is what we are being told is the right way to coach is not working. Realistically there is some players that need to be yelled at to process information and others who totally wouldn't benefit from this.


Much of the USSF licensing program was formed from Claudio Reyna's findings from his study of youth development abroad when he was still with US Soccer, and under the direction of Klinsman. The curriculum was released in 2011 and you can probably still find it online. And coaches that send their kids abroad do so to immerse them in the best practices that exist over there. The DA isn't perfect but I think you're starting to see some of the results with the new crop of exciting players representing the USMNT - Pulisic, Weah, Sargent, McKennie, Adams, and more, and they're getting looks overseas.

So your go-to defense is a yelling pop warner coach? Ask anyone that's got a degree in education if yelling is an effective method. It drives children away from the game because the environment is no longer fun.
Posted By: LIRef77

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The lack of Latino representation (admittedly, based entirely on last names) on the NYCFC rosters is an embarrassment.


Not alot of French or UK kids either. So biased.


Very easy to make accusations without proof, cause or statistics. To infer that an organization is racist is ignoring what NYCFC has done for many NYC school children and their very diverse population. I also find it interesting that on the FIRST professional team the Latino representation is as follows:
Alexander Callens-Peru, Ronald Mataritta-Costa Rica, Daniel Bedoya-Columbia, Valentin Castellanos-Argentina, Yangel Herrera-Venezuela, Jesus Medina-Paraguay, Max Morales-Argentina, Rodney Wallace-Costa Rica, David Villa (Captain)-Spain, Dome Torrent (Manager)-Spain, and finally Claudio Reyna, (Sporting Director)-Argentina.

This club is one of the most diverse in MLS.

I have refereed many many games of many many clubs, on Long Island from all areas with players as diverse as the referees working all the games in the Metro Area. I can easily say that soccer has the most diverse population of all the youth sports available to play.

We still need to get more inner city kids playing the game and change the mostly pay to play model in our country but mostly all Coaches and clubs do not care what race, religion or ethnic background their players have, they just all want players that want to play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by LIRef77
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The lack of Latino representation (admittedly, based entirely on last names) on the NYCFC rosters is an embarrassment.


Not alot of French or UK kids either. So biased.


Very easy to make accusations without proof, cause or statistics. To infer that an organization is racist is ignoring what NYCFC has done for many NYC school children and their very diverse population. I also find it interesting that on the FIRST professional team the Latino representation is as follows:
Alexander Callens-Peru, Ronald Mataritta-Costa Rica, Daniel Bedoya-Columbia, Valentin Castellanos-Argentina, Yangel Herrera-Venezuela, Jesus Medina-Paraguay, Max Morales-Argentina, Rodney Wallace-Costa Rica, David Villa (Captain)-Spain, Dome Torrent (Manager)-Spain, and finally Claudio Reyna, (Sporting Director)-Argentina.

This club is one of the most diverse in MLS.

I have refereed many many games of many many clubs, on Long Island from all areas with players as diverse as the referees working all the games in the Metro Area. I can easily say that soccer has the most diverse population of all the youth sports available to play.

We still need to get more inner city kids playing the game and change the mostly pay to play model in our country but mostly all Coaches and clubs do not care what race, religion or ethnic background their players have, they just all want players that want to play.


If you had read the original posts (it appears you didn't, or at least didn't carefully), there was no charge of racism. It was a comment on the implications of using very expensive pay-to-play clubs as your primary source of talent.

It's unintentional class bias, not race bias.

It made sense at the time as it was the quickest way to start an academy from zero, but it's been long enough that they should be looking elsewhere as well. Spend some time at parks in Flushing Meadows or Port Chester or Bridgeport on any day of the week and you'll see more raw talent than you'll find at 5 Gottschees.
Posted By: Larry Miller

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 01:40 PM

I do not know about Port Chester or Bridgeport, but I do know about Flushing Meadow Park and the poster is 100% on the mark with pointing that out, which I have done numerous times....those kids playing their pickup or neighborhood games are ready for primetime without any help from any trainers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Larry Miller
I do not know about Port Chester or Bridgeport, but I do know about Flushing Meadow Park and the poster is 100% on the mark with pointing that out, which I have done numerous times....those kids playing their pickup or neighborhood games are ready for primetime without any help from any trainers.


Larry , that can't be true. Our trainer ( who has 3 teams) said that he is the BEST of the BEST of the BEST. We should be very happy that he is training our kids to become NATIONAL PLAYERS. : )
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by LIRef77
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The lack of Latino representation (admittedly, based entirely on last names) on the NYCFC rosters is an embarrassment.


Not alot of French or UK kids either. So biased.


Very easy to make accusations without proof, cause or statistics. To infer that an organization is racist is ignoring what NYCFC has done for many NYC school children and their very diverse population. I also find it interesting that on the FIRST professional team the Latino representation is as follows:
Alexander Callens-Peru, Ronald Mataritta-Costa Rica, Daniel Bedoya-Columbia, Valentin Castellanos-Argentina, Yangel Herrera-Venezuela, Jesus Medina-Paraguay, Max Morales-Argentina, Rodney Wallace-Costa Rica, David Villa (Captain)-Spain, Dome Torrent (Manager)-Spain, and finally Claudio Reyna, (Sporting Director)-Argentina.


This club is one of the most diverse in MLS.

I have refereed many many games of many many clubs, on Long Island from all areas with players as diverse as the referees working all the games in the Metro Area. I can easily say that soccer has the most diverse population of all the youth sports available to play.

We still need to get more inner city kids playing the game and change the mostly pay to play model in our country but mostly all Coaches and clubs do not care what race, religion or ethnic background their players have, they just all want players that want to play.


If you had read the original posts (it appears you didn't, or at least didn't carefully), there was no charge of racism. It was a comment on the implications of using very expensive pay-to-play clubs as your primary source of talent.

It's unintentional class bias, not race bias.

It made sense at the time as it was the quickest way to start an academy from zero, but it's been long enough that they should be looking elsewhere as well. Spend some time at parks in Flushing Meadows or Port Chester or Bridgeport on any day of the week and you'll see more raw talent than you'll find at 5 Gottschees.


My son plays in Queens constantly (one of the few non hispanics). We play there because the kids are extremely physical and it helps him when he travels with his club team. But to say that they are the cream of the crop is false. Thet are hungry and more physical but there are alot of good kids all over NY. Good solid talent, but not world beaters. We have won tournaments there in the 04/05 age group.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 06:00 PM

That’s funny about flushing meadows park. We saw a boy that was awesome playing U 14. He was gonna join our team until we found out he was U16. That seems to be a common occurrence. Btw I don’t see a lot of German ,Italian, French and other European kids at those academies and there are a lot of those kids around that are not rich. I’d like to know when the Latinos cornered the market on being the best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 06:24 PM

Where do kids play in Flushing Meadow? How do kids get into a game if they go down there?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 08:12 PM

Where did the best NYCFC coach Mr Hugo go. Did he finally get the boot it was about time
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/05/18 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That’s funny about flushing meadows park. We saw a boy that was awesome playing U 14. He was gonna join our team until we found out he was U16. That seems to be a common occurrence. Btw I don’t see a lot of German ,Italian, French and other European kids at those academies and there are a lot of those kids around that are not rich. I’d like to know when the Latinos cornered the market on being the best.


Our team has played at flushing meadow in summer tournaments over the years. They are free and uniforms are provided. Our coach is Latino and had connections to the event organizers. Though there are surely some strong players on the teams we played, maybe a few could have made our team and they would not have been one of our top players generally though I'm sure I didn't see every kid on his best day. The talent is very mixed on each team. There are also summer leagues there. We played one year. Several players from MSC played in those leagues and they all played up. They were by far the best players on those teams. I think people give too much credence to this story about exceptional Latino players. The ones that are real good get spotted and many move on. There is one that played in one of those leagues in the summer and in our club during the year. He then went to the Red Bulls and is on a full ride at a top DI now. The players know where to go for club ball and if they are that good the academies will let them play on scholarship or the pro teams will take them. Not every kid has a parent that can get him to practice. That's the case no matter your background.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/06/18 09:33 AM

YOUR LESSON OF THE DAY

It's not easy and can get very expensive to get on Red Bulls or NYCFC academy. For the Red Bulls get ready to pay for RDS because this is the best place to get on their academy. Only a very small percentage of RDS kids get selected and almost all eventually get cut.

You can pay big bucks for academy clubs like BWG, FCW, MO, PDA, NYSC, BS, etc. If your kid can stand out from the rest he will get noticed by Red Bulls and NYCFC. He will get a tryout and and possibly make the team.

One of the best ways is to know some one at one of the clubs. For example coach Hugo at NYCFC selected many players who he was personally training on the side for extra cash.

If your kid is in the national pool or is selected for national camp he will get a tryout. Getting on the Red Bulls or NYCFC doesn't guarantee playing time or a permanent spot. Very few make it from beginning to end.

So to recap, you need to be a good player. Parents get ready to spend money to be on the right team or training program. Most important, get ready to kiss a lot of ass.

As far as great players there are very, very few. Red Bulls have some and NYCFC have some the rest are scattered around not playing in the academy league at all. Too expensive, too political, and poor coaching.

Any questions ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/06/18 12:53 PM

Why post anonymously when talking about Hugo. Put your name to it if u have negatively comments
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/06/18 05:25 PM

Gottschee U19 not looking so good these season. having to play little jack in the middle every time is going to cost them this season. But Paul don't give a [****]. Just pay up suckers and watch his son play the whole game 3 years up. Paul tells players that they should be honored to be playing with the only 03 in the country playing U19.
how you parents put up with this is beyond me. Now all the Paul ass kissers are going to start commenting on how good the kid is and his vision bla bla bla ,,,but ask yourself this. IF PAUL WAS NOT THE DOC OF GOTTSCHEE, WOULD LITTLE JACK BE PLAYING U19 ?????
IS JACK GOING TO COLLEGE NEXT YEAR THAT HE HAS TO BE SHOWCASED NOW ?????
IS IT FAIR TO OTHER PLAYERS LOSING PLAY TIME TO BE SCOUTED FOR COLLEGE ?????
IS IT FAIR THAT ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS PAY TO PLAY AND DON'T AND LITTLE JACK PLAYS EVERY MINUTE FOR FREE
WHY SO MANY FORWARDS AND DEFENDERS ON ROSTER AND 2 OR 3 MIDFEILDERS??????
COULD IT BE SO THAT NO ONE OUT SHINES THE SUPERSTAR????
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/06/18 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why post anonymously when talking about Hugo. Put your name to it if u have negatively comments

negative comments? almost all the players selected by Mr Hugo didn't even last half a season. Hugo was fired from NYCFC when the facts were brought out about all the money that he and his father had taking in order to get those kids a spot on NYCFC. These are not negative comments they are TRUE FACTS
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/06/18 06:21 PM

Really fine was fired?!! I guess that was his twin coaching nycfc 04’s. I guess u r reading the fake news. Get over it, he didn’t take your son
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/06/18 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why post anonymously when talking about Hugo. Put your name to it if u have negatively comments


Sorry.

Sincerely yours,
Jeffrey Saunders

P.S. I threw Hugo out of Met Oval for not cutting me in on that side money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/06/18 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Really fine was fired?!! I guess that was his twin coaching nycfc 04’s. I guess u r reading the fake news. Get over it, he didn’t take your son

and he did a great job, they only lost 4-1.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/07/18 12:38 AM

If Hugo was a half decent person he would quit coaching young players right now. He is a terrible coach, with no experience whatsoever !!! fired from redbulls, fired from metoval, fired from sacramento fc ....
last year he had a mediocre season with some of the most talented kids in NY, In Florida he took kids from cosmos, redbulls, metoval and gottschee and they score one goal in the whole tournament, and playing horrible soccer.
He has not idea of what he is doing !!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/07/18 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If Hugo was a half decent person he would quit coaching young players right now. He is a terrible coach, with no experience whatsoever !!! fired from redbulls, fired from metoval, fired from sacramento fc ....
last year he had a mediocre season with some of the most talented kids in NY, In Florida he took kids from cosmos, redbulls, metoval and gottschee and they score one goal in the whole tournament, and playing horrible soccer.
He has not idea of what he is doing !!!

Why should he quit ? he makes great money off of all the stupid parents in the academy world. Between coaching and private training he's making well over $150,000 and a good part in cash. If he wasn't coaching he would be lucky to get a job making $15 per hour. He was also a horrible youth soccer player. As big as a moron Hugo is all those academy parents that follow him are bigger morons. What a wonderful world !

ENJOY !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/08/18 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Different poster here - I don't think the under representation of Latino players is primarily the fault of NYCFC or NYRB (except indirectly as shareholders in MLS). Rather, it is US Soccer and the system as a whole that has failed the country and especially the Latino-American communities. The deliberate choices that have established and supported the pay to play system result in a failure of system that largely overlooks Latino leagues, the inner cities and poor people in general, all the while generating huge amounts of case for favored US soccer insiders and MLS/SUM owners.

But I know that both clubs - especially NYCFC - try and cast a wide net to locate the best soccer talent. For example, there is a Latino 2005 on NYCFC that came from a Yonkers travel team.


Lower income kids of any ethnicity generally can't afford the clubs that will help get them onto those higher level teams. They also need to have been playing at a higher level for a few years, which means affording the fees and travel or hoping for the rare scholarship. It's unlikely they'll pay for RDS. Top clubs don't do much scouting - they basically answer the phone when a club coach or parent asks to get a player evaluated. You have be seen to be seen kind of thing.

Then there's the real issue of getting kids to practices and games when there's more lower income HH with a single parent or both parents working. It's all well and good to let a 16 year old take two trains and a bus to get to practice, but few will be ok with their 12 year old doing it. Even then public transportation is only workable on a limited basis and far, far worse outside of NY metro. You'll find even less ethnic and economic diversity at pay to play clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/09/18 05:15 PM

Cry me a river. It’s very hard for two working parents to get their kids to practice. Especially for families that have more than one kid. Stop your bellyaching
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/09/18 07:23 PM

Has anyone recently checked the mission and goals statement of FC Westchester? We are far from it. For a NFP organization, such statements are the basis for a good governance and attracting donors and members who want to believe in them. If any Board member(s) of FCW are following this blog, I strongly suggest they go back and read this mission and goals statement again. Maybe then they could bring some changes to a failing management, and when I say management, I think coaches. To have the best coaches leaving or being fired, and keeping the less competitive coaches, cannot serve the mission of the club. Special interests and self satisfaction have nothing to do here and this impacts the various DA teams negatively. Operations are operations. Coaching is coaching. Mixing both cannot bring any good. Our kids need the best coaches to thrive and to reach the goals shown in the FCW mission statement. Board members: Family interests and self petting have no place in the kids development. So please do not ask for raising more funds from the parents, unless these funds are allocated to the hiring of coaches who can be trusted and are high class, who educate the kids by developing their skills without yelling at them and be truthful to this kids when they do good or bad.
Posted By: Larry Miller

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/09/18 07:29 PM

The FCW Executive Bunch are not reading BOTN. They are on a path that I'm not sure they know where they are heading. The recent change in leadership, with George Gjokja and Sean Traynor does not appear to be positive....hey folks, it's your money and your feet...George, how did you guys do against the Montreal Impact? Why so quiet?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/09/18 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Larry Miller
The FCW Executive Bunch are not reading BOTN. They are on a path that I'm not sure they know where they are heading. The recent change in leadership, with George Gjokja and Sean Traynor does not appear to be positive....hey folks, it's your money and your feet...George, how did you guys do against the Montreal Impact? Why so quiet?


There's some hope with the younger teams. 05 played toe-to-toe with NYCFC in a scrimmage and was narrowly defeated 2-1.

Oh, wait, that was 12-1.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/09/18 07:44 PM

U-15. Montreal Impact 6-0 loss. Baltimore 2-0 loss. Bethesda 4-0 loss. Kids did their best. Coaches did awful. Not heading to the right path for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/10/18 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
The FCW Executive Bunch are not reading BOTN. They are on a path that I'm not sure they know where they are heading. The recent change in leadership, with George Gjokja and Sean Traynor does not appear to be positive....hey folks, it's your money and your feet...George, how did you guys do against the Montreal Impact? Why so quiet?


There's some hope with the younger teams. 05 played toe-to-toe with NYCFC in a scrimmage and was narrowly defeated 2-1.

Oh, wait, that was 12-1.



WTF ! When was this friendly?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/10/18 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
The FCW Executive Bunch are not reading BOTN. They are on a path that I'm not sure they know where they are heading. The recent change in leadership, with George Gjokja and Sean Traynor does not appear to be positive....hey folks, it's your money and your feet...George, how did you guys do against the Montreal Impact? Why so quiet?


There's some hope with the younger teams. 05 played toe-to-toe with NYCFC in a scrimmage and was narrowly defeated 2-1.

Oh, wait, that was 12-1.



Was the score really 12-1?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/10/18 03:45 PM

Yes
You can watch the carnage on YouTube
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/10/18 07:26 PM

With the 2006s, Gjokaj fired Mick...then he fired Bashi....then he fired Mulhare
Last year, He had 3 players that had played up the year before with 2004s
1 was the one true physical player with size....he kicked him to the curb midseason
1 was one of his two best players...a crucial link in the midfield....drove him out of the team too at the break
The third player stayed

The striker with the highest upside was kicked to the curb at midseason....he now plays for Cosmos
He had a great central mid that he forced to play centerback despite his size....that kid wanted no part of being back to the circus....he’s with Cosmos too....highest soccer IQ on FCW last year
It’s not surprising that the Cosmos are undefeated in 3 games

FCW is in for a long long fall season with GG steering the ship
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/10/18 08:07 PM

Mistyped the opening thought
2005s not 2006s
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/11/18 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes
You can watch the carnage on YouTube

can you send the link please.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/11/18 03:24 PM

NYCFC 2005 and NYRB 05 are by far the best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/11/18 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 2005 and NYRB 05 are by far the best.

that should be no surprise considering they basically poach whomever they want. The system is pretty much designed for them to be the best teams. Would like to just see more kids get chances to make it through the system successfully.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/11/18 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 2005 and NYRB 05 are by far the best.

that should be no surprise considering they basically poach whomever they want. The system is pretty much designed for them to be the best teams. Would like to just see more kids get chances to make it through the system successfully.

just two MLS teams 40 kids total and thousands of good players with the same idea.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/11/18 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes
You can watch the carnage on YouTube

can you send the link please.


just saw the game NYCFC very good team ,FCW cant connect 3 or 4 passes together .is a big difference on MLS teams (NYCFC NYRB) to other teams . everybody is good .non MLS teams are mix with good players and regular players .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/11/18 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 2005 and NYRB 05 are by far the best.

that should be no surprise considering they basically poach whomever they want. The system is pretty much designed for them to be the best teams. Would like to just see more kids get chances to make it through the system successfully.

just two MLS teams 40 kids total and thousands of good players with the same idea.


Exactly, you can take out and plug any other Quality kid into one of those positions and they wouldnt miss a step
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/11/18 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes
You can watch the carnage on YouTube

can you send the link please.


just saw the game NYCFC very good team ,FCW cant connect 3 or 4 passes together .is a big difference on MLS teams (NYCFC NYRB) to other teams . everybody is good .non MLS teams are mix with good players and regular players .


Which is why any MLS clubs would like to either split from DA or have a two tiered system.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/11/18 05:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DDFaDgIizs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/11/18 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 2005 and NYRB 05 are by far the best.

that should be no surprise considering they basically poach whomever they want. The system is pretty much designed for them to be the best teams. Would like to just see more kids get chances to make it through the system successfully.

just two MLS teams 40 kids total and thousands of good players with the same idea.


Exactly, you can take out and plug any other Quality kid into one of those positions and they wouldnt miss a step


Too many factors here luck , conections. But these kids are very talented
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/11/18 07:39 PM



Too many factors here luck , conections. But these kids are very talented
[/quote]

Too many factors here. Dedication hard work and sacrifice for many years and YES they are very talented j
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/12/18 12:32 AM

I give that Westchester dad credit. He always posts his sons videos win or lose. That was a blowout. Westchester definitely playing up a level. Obviously not ready for that just yet. Westchester looked very small. Keep grinding you lost to an excellent team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/12/18 12:50 AM



Too many factors here luck , conections. But these kids are very talented
[/quote]

Too many factors here. Dedication hard work and sacrifice for many years and YES they are very talented j[/quote]

There are lots of dedicated hardworking kids who have sacrificed just as much. [quote=Anonymous
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/12/18 02:55 AM

Can NYRB Academy players - U17 and under - play for their high schools?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/12/18 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Too many factors here luck , conections. But these kids are very talented


Too many factors here. Dedication hard work and sacrifice for many years and YES they are very talented j[/quote]

There are lots of dedicated hardworking kids who have sacrificed just as much. [quote=Anonymous[/quote]

No as talented as these kids. But hey if they are really outstanding they should be getting the call soon , remember nobody place is safe here. No BS or politics here , you got to be really good to replace this 05 group
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/12/18 03:15 PM


and they loose again .
New York City FC U-15--- 1---Cedar Stars Academy - Bergen U-15 ---2--
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/13/18 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I give that Westchester dad credit. He always posts his sons videos win or lose. That was a blowout. Westchester definitely playing up a level. Obviously not ready for that just yet. Westchester looked very small. Keep grinding you lost to an excellent team.


yeah - this team played nycfc to a 1-1 draw iirc last season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/13/18 07:37 PM

http://www.ussoccerda.com/20180911-...-players-called-us-16-boys-national-team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/13/18 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I give that Westchester dad credit. He always posts his sons videos win or lose. That was a blowout. Westchester definitely playing up a level. Obviously not ready for that just yet. Westchester looked very small. Keep grinding you lost to an excellent team.


yeah - this team played nycfc to a 1-1 draw iirc last season.


Some new players on that 2005 NYCFC team that look great.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/13/18 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I give that Westchester dad credit. He always posts his sons videos win or lose. That was a blowout. Westchester definitely playing up a level. Obviously not ready for that just yet. Westchester looked very small. Keep grinding you lost to an excellent team.


yeah - this team played nycfc to a 1-1 draw iirc last season.


Some new players on that 2005 NYCFC team that look great.

I saw this game and these are very talented players
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/13/18 08:57 PM

Oh give it a rest. You’re probably the same guy who thinks his kids going to man city
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/13/18 09:34 PM


LMFAO
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Too many factors here luck , conections. But these kids are very talented


Too many factors here. Dedication hard work and sacrifice for many years and YES they are very talented j


There are lots of dedicated hardworking kids who have sacrificed just as much.
Originally Posted by Anonymous[/quote


No as talented as these kids. But hey if they are really outstanding they should be getting the call soon , remember nobody place is safe here. No BS or politics here , you got to be really good to replace this 05 group


No politics! Now thats funny
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 03:42 AM

Im familiar with 90% of that roster. Good players, not world beaters. Some smaller boys that will get pushed off the ball against a physical team. The Westchester team is average, the score was as expected.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Little jack from BWG. No politics here. He keep getting the call . For the bwg hatters
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 01:15 PM

Just 1 PDA, 1 NYCFC and 1 Gottschee player from this area called for the US national boys U16
Where is redbulls?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Little jack from BWG. No politics here. He keep getting the call . For the bwg hatters
He should be in Germany with Gio Reyna. This is the future and hope for U.S Soccer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Too many factors here luck , conections. But these kids are very talented


Too many factors here. Dedication hard work and sacrifice for many years and YES they are very talented j


There are lots of dedicated hardworking kids who have sacrificed just as much.
Originally Posted by Anonymous[/quote


No as talented as these kids. But hey if they are really outstanding they should be getting the call soon , remember nobody place is safe here. No BS or politics here , you got to be really good to replace this 05 group


No politics! Now thats funny


Explain?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 04:30 PM

A total joke. The kids is NOT even the best player in NY/NJ. Why does the Ussf a go along with this
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
A total joke. The kids is NOT even the best player in NY/NJ. Why does the Ussf a go along with this

I'll go even further. He's not even the best 2003 at BWG.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A total joke. The kids is NOT even the best player in NY/NJ. Why does the Ussf a go along with this

I'll go even further. He's not even the best 2003 at BWG.

how do you get call to represent USA. I do not understand this .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes
You can watch the carnage on YouTube

can you send the link please.


just saw the game NYCFC very good team ,FCW cant connect 3 or 4 passes together .is a big difference on MLS teams (NYCFC NYRB) to other teams . everybody is good .non MLS teams are mix with good players and regular players .



FCW is reactive because they have no system. Everyone is freelancing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/14/18 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A total joke. The kids is NOT even the best player in NY/NJ. Why does the Ussf a go along with this

I'll go even further. He's not even the best 2003 at BWG.

how do you get call to represent USA. I do not understand this .

The US Development Academy is directly under US Soccer. It was started by US Soccer over 10 years ago to change the entire landscape of youth soccer and feed the US National team. They wanted to eliminate all the politics but as we can all see the politics remain and the US National team is no better. Make no mistake people like McGlynn are a huge part of the US academy league and have tremendous power. US Soccer doesn’t want the academy league to fail therefore McGlynn and friends get what they want. If the US soccer federation can get 1 or 2 kids with great potential in each age group they are more than happy. The rest are favors and just there to fill the roster. There aren’t that many great kids in the academy league and most never get a chance because of the McGlynns of the world. That’s why US Soccer and the MLS are so weak.

I agree that the kid isn’t the best 2003 at Gottschee and Gottschee doesn’t have any of the top 2003’s in NY.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/15/18 01:28 PM

The youth national teams have a very large pool of kids that rotate in and out. The rosters are never consistent until U17 or higher.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/15/18 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The youth national teams have a very large pool of kids that rotate in and out. The rosters are never consistent until U17 or higher.


There are a lot of one-and-dones that get call ups at the earlier ages then never heard from again. You're right it isn't until the older ages that you start seeing the same names more consistently
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/16/18 01:47 AM

are da teams allowed to play state cup?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/16/18 02:59 AM

MO 05. Vs TSF 05 was a disaster by referee. Game got out of control with kids hurting each other and no calls , gave a penalty to TSF , no a penalty at all. We need better referee for this kind of games. She had the same situation last year parents screaming at her .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/16/18 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
are da teams allowed to play state cup?

No, they are not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/17/18 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
MO 05. Vs TSF 05 was a disaster by referee. Game got out of control with kids hurting each other and no calls , gave a penalty to TSF , no a penalty at all. We need better referee for this kind of games. She had the same situation last year parents screaming at her .


Agreed referee was bad all game and both ways. Disagree that the game was any more physical than usual u14 game. Ref gave two very soft PKs in the game -- both probably shouldn't have been called. TSF hit their PK, Met Oval's was saved so it ended 1-0 for TSF. That said, parents in DA shouldn't be getting hung up on that 1-0 (including the Met Oval parent yelling after the game was over it was stolen or this post complaining about a call that was made 80-90 yards from where the parents were sitting... deep breath everyone). It was generally the type of well played game I enjoy watching in the DA...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MO 05. Vs TSF 05 was a disaster by referee. Game got out of control with kids hurting each other and no calls , gave a penalty to TSF , no a penalty at all. We need better referee for this kind of games. She had the same situation last year parents screaming at her .


Agreed referee was bad all game and both ways. Disagree that the game was any more physical than usual u14 game. Ref gave two very soft PKs in the game -- both probably shouldn't have been called. TSF hit their PK, Met Oval's was saved so it ended 1-0 for TSF. That said, parents in DA shouldn't be getting hung up on that 1-0 (including the Met Oval parent yelling after the game was over it was stolen or this post complaining about a call that was made 80-90 yards from where the parents were sitting... deep breath everyone). It was generally the type of well played game I enjoy watching in the DA...

all depend which side you are , the winning or loosing one. it hurts to loose for a very bad call ,the "FOUL" was absolutely outside the box . parents get upset ,kids on loosing team crying ,two coaches very close to have a first fight and parents from winning team rubbing it in your face laughing . thanks reff
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 02:19 PM

And this behavior is accepted by DA ?? They should both be penalized for behavior and or thrown out of the prestigous DA
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 02:50 PM

[/quote] all depend which side you are , the winning or loosing one. it hurts to loose for a very bad call ,the "FOUL" was absolutely outside the box . parents get upset ,kids on loosing team crying ,two coaches very close to have a first fight and parents from winning team rubbing it in your face laughing . thanks reff [/quote]

Wow - I guess I was at a different game. I didn't see parent fights or coach fights (other than the typical coach banter on the sideline as the worked a bad ref). I saw the usual bad parent behavior from a number of parents who take their kids games a bit too seriously and feel the need to yell at the field but nothing that rose anywhere near the level of fights or taunting. The ref was not up to the level - I agree. The game played at a good level though. Each team got a soft PK called. One team hit theirs. The other didnt. It's the week after. Time to move on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And this behavior is accepted by DA ?? They should both be penalized for behavior and or thrown out of the prestigous DA


It's interesting to see the over-the-top description of the game (albeit poorly officiated but otherwise a regular soccer game where a parent's feelings seem to have been hurt because his son's team lost) followed by an over-the-top demand to penalize teams and throw them out of the DA. I can assure you there was no violence, no fights, etc. Just a few bad calls. If you've been to a youth soccer game in the US, you have seen that before.... every weekend on every field.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
And this behavior is accepted by DA ?? They should both be penalized for behavior and or thrown out of the prestigous DA


It's interesting to see the over-the-top description of the game (albeit poorly officiated but otherwise a regular soccer game where a parent's feelings seem to have been hurt because his son's team lost) followed by an over-the-top demand to penalize teams and throw them out of the DA. I can assure you there was no violence, no fights, etc. Just a few bad calls. If you've been to a youth soccer game in the US, you have seen that before.... every weekend on every field.


nothing bad happen just bad calls .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 06:35 PM

I happened on to this website by mistake, and I have to say... this is both the saddest and funniest site/thread i have ever seen in my life... get a life please...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 07:05 PM

True after all ,it's just a game of football, none of these kids are gonna be footbballers for a living, so enjoy. Trust me the football is far from a high standard, so don't expect it from the refs either, it's basically a kickabout.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A total joke. The kids is NOT even the best player in NY/NJ. Why does the Ussf a go along with this

I'll go even further. He's not even the best 2003 at BWG.

how do you get call to represent USA. I do not understand this .

not a big fan of the kid but the kid is very talented and daddy is VERY hooked up. playing in daddy's club U19 is a total joke and a clear cut reason as to why he is where he is. In no other club in the country would he be playing U19 DA Paul is EXTREMELY connected with USSF and there coaching staff so favors get done. Not taking anything away from the kid because he is a very talented player FOR HIS AGE. It cant get any clearer as to why soccer is where it is today. The kid will probably play a few more years, go on to college and then end up working for his father at his club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 08:18 PM

Paul at gottschee tells all players that all plays must go through his son. The U19 team only purpose seems to be there just so that little jack can say he plays U19 he deliberate loaded up the roster in all positions EXCEPT his sons position, so that no one will out shine his kid. Doesn't matter win or lose as long as the stats show little jack playing every minute of every game. He has told the team numerous times that is is a huge privilege to be playing with the only 03 in the country playing U19 for 90 min.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
A total joke. The kids is NOT even the best player in NY/NJ. Why does the Ussf a go along with this

I'll go even further. He's not even the best 2003 at BWG.

how do you get call to represent USA. I do not understand this .

not a big fan of the kid but the kid is very talented and daddy is VERY hooked up. playing in daddy's club U19 is a total joke and a clear cut reason as to why he is where he is. In no other club in the country would he be playing U19 DA Paul is EXTREMELY connected with USSF and there coaching staff so favors get done. Not taking anything away from the kid because he is a very talented player FOR HIS AGE. It cant get any clearer as to why soccer is where it is today. The kid will probably play a few more years, go on to college and then end up working for his father at his club.

caught the game this weekend and was not impressed with the team at all. lots of kick and run. the kid was not playing though so cant say if he makes a difference.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/18/18 09:17 PM

Who are you 2 jokers?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/19/18 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Paul at gottschee tells all players that all plays must go through his son. The U19 team only purpose seems to be there just so that little jack can say he plays U19 he deliberate loaded up the roster in all positions EXCEPT his sons position, so that no one will out shine his kid. Doesn't matter win or lose as long as the stats show little jack playing every minute of every game. He has told the team numerous times that is is a huge privilege to be playing with the only 03 in the country playing U19 for 90 min.


Get a life man. That never happened. Obviously your kid was cut and you are holding a grudge. If this is not the case then seek medical assistance. you are sick. I am serious. In addition having a talented midfielder in the team is always a plus despite the age which is very normal to find a talented player playing up.
Get over it. probably your kid is over it already but not you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/19/18 02:22 PM

Jack will end up at Sienna with Connor and fall off the map just like Connor did! Really not even worth discussing other than confirming why US soccer is so behind! Paul has no integrity to the game!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/19/18 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Jack will end up at Sienna with Connor and fall off the map just like Connor did! Really not even worth discussing other than confirming why US soccer is so behind! Paul has no integrity to the game!!!

after he ran over better players than jack .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/19/18 06:58 PM

Go Saints!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/21/18 03:36 PM

Another loss for nycfc 04’s.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/21/18 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another loss for nycfc 04’s.



4~1
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/21/18 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another loss for nycfc 04’s.



4~1
Guess changing half the roster didn't work. Maybe they can adopt "dynamic roster changes" and stea-- err switch their opponents' best players in the middle of the game! That should do the trick.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/21/18 06:03 PM

I don't know this kid paul that everyone is talking about but reading this thread the kids is a 2003 ( Which would be 10th grade) playing u19 ? Is this correct ?
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/23/18 07:12 PM

Just checking in..... been following the academy thread from the beginning......nothing has changed....bad teams, bad coaching and bad players......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/24/18 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Just checking in..... been following the academy thread from the beginning......nothing has changed....bad teams, bad coaching and bad players......


Been involved with DA for awhile and amen to that. The quality just isn't there - and the status quo rolls on.
Posted By: Cross It 4 Fun

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/24/18 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Falcon]Just checking in..... been following the academy thread from the beginning......nothing has changed....bad teams, bad coaching and bad players......


Been involved with DA for awhile and amen to that. The quality just isn't there - and the status quo rolls on. [/quote

Ditto
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/24/18 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Just checking in..... been following the academy thread from the beginning......nothing has changed....bad teams, bad coaching and bad players......


So your basing this on seeing games from all the teams in the north east division, and seeing all the age groups ? or are your assuming this from just following this thread ?? Cause you know what they say when you ASS-ume things ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/24/18 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Just checking in..... been following the academy thread from the beginning......nothing has changed....bad teams, bad coaching and bad players......


So your basing this on seeing games from all the teams in the north east division, and seeing all the age groups ? or are your assuming this from just following this thread ?? Cause you know what they say when you ASS-ume things ?

Go check NYCF 05 or BYRB 05 games.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/24/18 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another loss for nycfc 04’s.



4~1
Guess changing half the roster didn't work. Maybe they can adopt "dynamic roster changes" and stea-- err switch their opponents' best players in the middle of the game! That should do the trick.

they won yesterday
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/24/18 12:39 PM

Still basing Academies by W’s and L’s? That is the status quo mindset. Teams that get overhauled every year make consistent winning difficult (not impossible).
Which Academies are producing the MLS professionals and getting their players international looks? That is what I want to know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/24/18 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Still basing Academies by W’s and L’s? That is the status quo mindset. Teams that get overhauled every year make consistent winning difficult (not impossible).
Which Academies are producing the MLS professionals and getting their players international looks? That is what I want to know.



Exactly. Who's producing pros? The problem, at least what I've seen in the Northeast, is that the status quo has a firm grip. The barriers of entry are too great for others and we continue to roll-on with the same re-branded garbage.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/24/18 04:14 PM

I think it's unfair to say, "Exactly. Who's producing pros?" It's obvious that going pro in any sport is an amazing feat. I think we would be hard-pressed to tally all the pros from the other major sports that got their start in our area because there truly are not that many. However, after a brief look at the most recent USMNT roster for the friendlies against Mexico and Brazil, you got 4 players out of 22, almost 20%, from the area. Tyler Adams, Matt Miazga, and Time Weah all have DA ties and Tim Parker was training with the national team since he was 13.

Yes, you can argue that there are talented kids out there that never get the opportunity to be seen by DA club officials but let us be honest with our selves. If your kid did try out and he didn't make one of the 5 DA clubs in the area he's probably not that good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/24/18 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think it's unfair to say, "Exactly. Who's producing pros?" It's obvious that going pro in any sport is an amazing feat. I think we would be hard-pressed to tally all the pros from the other major sports that got their start in our area because there truly are not that many. However, after a brief look at the most recent USMNT roster for the friendlies against Mexico and Brazil, you got 4 players out of 22, almost 20%, from the area. Tyler Adams, Matt Miazga, and Time Weah all have DA ties and Tim Parker was training with the national team since he was 13.

Yes, you can argue that there are talented kids out there that never get the opportunity to be seen by DA club officials but let us be honest with our selves. If your kid did try out and he didn't make one of the 5 DA clubs in the area he's probably not that good.



You're kidding right? You just named three pros in soccer. Now Google "Top Professional Athletes from NY/NJ" - I'd list them here but there are too many.

My kid has played DA for years and you tolerate the status quo because there's nothing else.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/25/18 01:51 AM

Long Island needs a real
DA program
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/25/18 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Long Island needs a real
DA program

There isn’t enough talent on Long Island. Met Ovals U17 haven’t won a game this season and sit in second to last place with some of Long Islands top players. BW Gottschee are just as bad only one spot ahead of the Italian’s Met Oval disaster. The Italian recruited heavily from Long Island because that’s where his poaching career began. With promises of Italian style glory and professional contracts Filippo attracts the best Long Island has to offer. Gottschee tryouts were filled with Long Island players willing to pay any amount but most were rejected because lack of any talent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/25/18 02:02 PM

Theres plenty of talent on Long Island, it’s just not at met oval.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/25/18 02:27 PM

The DA programs are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of coaching and players. The problem is that the quality U-12, U-11, U10, U9 etc programs are few and far between here in LI. There are alot of $$ money making operations that are here today gone tomorrow and there are many town teams that only teach kick and run. There is a steep drop in participation around u12 when it gets even more expensive to play. The money aspect filters out many kids. By the time they are 12, 13, 14 its too late if they didnt have a proper soccer education before.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/25/18 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The DA programs are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of coaching and players. The problem is that the quality U-12, U-11, U10, U9 etc programs are few and far between here in LI. There are alot of $$ money making operations that are here today gone tomorrow and there are many town teams that only teach kick and run. There is a steep drop in participation around u12 when it gets even more expensive to play. The money aspect filters out many kids. By the time they are 12, 13, 14 its too late if they didnt have a proper soccer education before.


best post : By the time they are 12, 13, 14 its too late if they didnt have a proper soccer education before.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/25/18 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The DA programs are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of coaching and players. The problem is that the quality U-12, U-11, U10, U9 etc programs are few and far between here in LI. There are alot of $$ money making operations that are here today gone tomorrow and there are many town teams that only teach kick and run. There is a steep drop in participation around u12 when it gets even more expensive to play. The money aspect filters out many kids. By the time they are 12, 13, 14 its too late if they didnt have a proper soccer education before.


best post : By the time they are 12, 13, 14 its too late if they didnt have a proper soccer education before.



And a proper soccer education isn't enough anyway. The best players come from countries with a football culture. Look at D1 scholarships - they mostly go to foreign players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/25/18 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The DA programs are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of coaching and players. The problem is that the quality U-12, U-11, U10, U9 etc programs are few and far between here in LI. There are alot of $$ money making operations that are here today gone tomorrow and there are many town teams that only teach kick and run. There is a steep drop in participation around u12 when it gets even more expensive to play. The money aspect filters out many kids. By the time they are 12, 13, 14 its too late if they didnt have a proper soccer education before.


best post : By the time they are 12, 13, 14 its too late if they didnt have a proper soccer education before.



And a proper soccer education isn't enough anyway. The best players come from countries with a football culture. Look at D1 scholarships - they mostly go to foreign players.

DA programs are better but most of the players aren’t. There are a few, VERY few good players in the DA. Most are low level travel players with over involved parents willing to pay or do anything to get their kid on a DA team. I can’t help but laugh when I see all the DA parents on the side lines decked out in their soccer gear. Idiots
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The DA programs are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of coaching and players. The problem is that the quality U-12, U-11, U10, U9 etc programs are few and far between here in LI. There are alot of $$ money making operations that are here today gone tomorrow and there are many town teams that only teach kick and run. There is a steep drop in participation around u12 when it gets even more expensive to play. The money aspect filters out many kids. By the time they are 12, 13, 14 its too late if they didnt have a proper soccer education before.


best post : By the time they are 12, 13, 14 its too late if they didnt have a proper soccer education before.



And a proper soccer education isn't enough anyway. The best players come from countries with a football culture. Look at D1 scholarships - they mostly go to foreign players.

DA programs are better but most of the players aren’t. There are a few, VERY few good players in the DA. Most are low level travel players with over involved parents willing to pay or do anything to get their kid on a DA team. I can’t help but laugh when I see all the DA parents on the side lines decked out in their soccer gear. Idiots


I find it to be the opposite. Lots of legit players but poor coaching/training from the status quo. And you rarely see a DA parent decked out in team gear. Maybe a club hat at the most.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 12:54 PM

The problem with DA is the politics. There’s always a parent with connections and their little Johnny gets taken care of. They’ll move better players to other positions to take care of that kid. It happens at all the academies
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 01:44 PM

best post : They’ll move better players to other positions to take care of that kid.

if they know kids who has talent, they will put him other positions or bench.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 01:49 PM

There's Plenty of talent. The problem is there's too many clubs given the amount of talent, and poor quality clubs at that. True of BDA and GDA. Toss out the underperforming clubs, shrink DA and watch the cream rise to the top.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
best post : They’ll move better players to other positions to take care of that kid.

if they know kids who has talent, they will put him other positions or bench.


this is BWG.. lol..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There's Plenty of talent. The problem is there's too many clubs given the amount of talent, and poor quality clubs at that. True of BDA and GDA. Toss out the underperforming clubs, shrink DA and watch the cream rise to the top.


This is getting to the heart of it. The problem is travel of course if USSF cuts too many clubs. But yes, divorced from all politics and the "my dingle donger is bigger than yours DOC/"sporting director" BS" it is RIDICULOUS, for example, that Met Oval and Gottschee are both in the DA! They should be combined. Best players from BWG and Met Oval on one team would undoubtedly be stronger than diffused between two clubs in adjacent neighborhoods. Will never happen of course. For that matter ridiculous as well to have two DA programs in lower Westchester in NYSC and FCW.

Politics wins. US soccer in the big picture loses.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 03:48 PM

Bwg is blatant about it but it happens at Red Bull’s.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 04:15 PM

Connected players get everything because trainers/clubs realize that at the end of the day, the end result for all these kids is they will go off to College. Many with just a roster spot, with NO Athletic Money. Hopefully, your kid has the grades to take advantage of the Academic Money. Sometimes, they get into a school that would never look at them with the grades because of soccer so that's a plus. Again, it's usually with no Athletic Money. Those who manage to have a nice college career (minutes played) and get some money, well that's because they have a College Coach Connection (BWG/Siena). Trainers/Clubs can't tell you this upfront because they are making a living training these kids working the "dream". Some trainers are better then others where the kid really gets developed and has a great experience along the way. Some aren't, period. There is so much misinformation. Lots of talent everywhere. They will all play College Soccer (If they want to). Money....you need the connection, especially on the boys side. Going PRO....you just have to want it. How many kids do really, especially when they reach College and realize they need a real job.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 04:20 PM



Politics comes from money/influence. Teams where the players don't play, they parents have less influence. An influential parent may control 4 or 5 families, thats alot of income for a club- hence the pay to play academies are susceptible to influence from parents. The subsidized academies, are much less vulnerable.

Internal politics, regarding this DOC or coach really likes this player, or doesn't like that player and benches him, thats just a fact of life that affects all institutions, if you are worried about this in the USSF academy system, it is 10x worse in local town clubs (thats why some power hungry parents with talented kids refuse to leave certain institutions where they are sitting pretty) and its 100x worse at your place of employment where this type of thing goes on and has real life economic effects. No human institution is perfect.

The thing about academies is that (I think) there is a curriculum and certain principles and coaching licenses that are required, and this ensures that coaching has a certain base level (most of the games I've seen the teams do attempt to play on the ground and retain possession, and there are many talented kids who are able to play like this with technique). Rather than shrink it, I think they should expand academy so that more clubs are subject to a base level of requirements and so that the artificial monopoly is lessened and people have more options to avoid what they see as corrupt management or poor coaching. As it stands, the usual suspect clubs will always have a never ending supply of kids ready to sign up because there are only a few options.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 05:33 PM

DAs aren't supposed to create a team of national players, they are supposed to provide, if they are lucky, one or two to the national pool every few years; if you think they are constructed to provide any more than that, you are insane. With the population in NY metro area, the number of DA clubs seems about right; if they were distributed better geographically, that would be a good start, since I can see that "one good kid" (fictional, being used as an example) from Suffolk County that will not bother to make trip to Queens 4 days a week, but may make the trip to a Nassau location.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
DAs aren't supposed to create a team of national players, they are supposed to provide, if they are lucky, one or two to the national pool every few years; if you think they are constructed to provide any more than that, you are insane. With the population in NY metro area, the number of DA clubs seems about right; if they were distributed better geographically, that would be a good start, since I can see that "one good kid" (fictional, being used as an example) from Suffolk County that will not bother to make trip to Queens 4 days a week, but may make the trip to a Nassau location.


There is a bloody DA team in Nassau--the New York bloody Cosmos. OK, not full DA but if it was full DA (which it might be eventually) the question must be asked, Why is the Cosmos academy not rated as worth the time of a fictional kid from Suffolk, who instead would skip over it to go to Queens?

I have wondered quite a bit about the Cosmos academy. It ticks some boxes people say the want--free & DA, namely. So why isn't it better? Is it because of the ongoing uncertainty over the existence of the senior team and thus the academy? Why hasn't it drawn the best players? On paper seems like Cosmos U12-U15 should be able to recruit teams that are can go toe to toe with RBNY and NYCFC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DAs aren't supposed to create a team of national players, they are supposed to provide, if they are lucky, one or two to the national pool every few years; if you think they are constructed to provide any more than that, you are insane. With the population in NY metro area, the number of DA clubs seems about right; if they were distributed better geographically, that would be a good start, since I can see that "one good kid" (fictional, being used as an example) from Suffolk County that will not bother to make trip to Queens 4 days a week, but may make the trip to a Nassau location.


There is a bloody DA team in Nassau--the New York bloody Cosmos. OK, not full DA but if it was full DA (which it might be eventually) the question must be asked, Why is the Cosmos academy not rated as worth the time of a fictional kid from Suffolk, who instead would skip over it to go to Queens?

I have wondered quite a bit about the Cosmos academy. It ticks some boxes people say the want--free & DA, namely. So why isn't it better? Is it because of the ongoing uncertainty over the existence of the senior team and thus the academy? Why hasn't it drawn the best players? On paper seems like Cosmos U12-U15 should be able to recruit teams that are can go toe to toe with RBNY and NYCFC.


Many of the facilities in Suffolk are better than any field employed by the Cosmos for practices and games; with a scattershot approach to fields and games, does not feel like you can ever have home field advantage; and your reasons, not a full academy (will have to commit to additional travel if you want to move up as you age out), uncertainty, main club in flux each year (who knows how long it will last). I agree, in fantasyland, if it were full DA, with a full complement of coaches, and had a dedicated facility it would be a no-brainer for Nassau, Suffolk and Queens kids, unfortunately here of earth, none of that is true.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 07:18 PM

Cosmos r a joke. Have u seen some of those kids that have come out of cosmos. They should be playing lij travel
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Connected players get everything because trainers/clubs realize that at the end of the day, the end result for all these kids is they will go off to College. Many with just a roster spot, with NO Athletic Money. Hopefully, your kid has the grades to take advantage of the Academic Money. Sometimes, they get into a school that would never look at them with the grades because of soccer so that's a plus. Again, it's usually with no Athletic Money. Those who manage to have a nice college career (minutes played) and get some money, well that's because they have a College Coach Connection (BWG/Siena). Trainers/Clubs can't tell you this upfront because they are making a living training these kids working the "dream". Some trainers are better then others where the kid really gets developed and has a great experience along the way. Some aren't, period. There is so much misinformation. Lots of talent everywhere. They will all play College Soccer (If they want to). Money....you need the connection, especially on the boys side. Going PRO....you just have to want it. How many kids do really, especially when they reach College and realize they need a real job.


How do you know which players from academies got money to play college ball? Answer: you don't. There are players from FC Westchester and from BWG that got academic scholarships to play at solid D1 schools over the past few years and I bet there are players on those teams now that already have these offers for next year. You simply don't know who they are. Players from top tier premier teams also have these opportunities. MSC comes to mind. You don't have to play for a DA to get those looks, but if you're not on a DA it's more difficult though not impossible. You don't need coach connections to get scholarships. You need to be very good, proactive with coach contacts, do the things that recruits must do, like create highlight videos and soccer resumes, and play at a very high level in those games where the scouts are watching -- especially the scouts that are there watching because you contacted them and they came knowing you would be playing. They generally can spot talent quickly and will not hesitate to offer a scholarship to a deserving player that will impact the team. You talk about so much misinformation being out there and, ironically, you're contributing to it.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/26/18 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cosmos r a joke. Have u seen some of those kids that have come out of cosmos. They should be playing lij travel


oh. Cosmos r a joke ? even though academy is free, kids aren't good?

they should recruit talented kids. if the academy is free
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/27/18 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cosmos r a joke. Have u seen some of those kids that have come out of cosmos. They should be playing lij travel


oh. Cosmos r a joke ? even though academy is free, kids aren't good?

they should recruit talented kids. if the academy is free

A lot of "kids that have come out of cosmos" are now on NYCFC - check out the NYCFC 2004 team - 9 former Cosmos players on it. 9!
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/27/18 12:58 PM

And how r they doing ? Lol. They should’ve been cut after last year but I’m sure their dads got involved.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/30/18 05:53 PM

Looks like Met Oval 16/17 team is having some problems winning.
Bad team or bad coaching??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/30/18 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cosmos r a joke. Have u seen some of those kids that have come out of cosmos. They should be playing lij travel


oh. Cosmos r a joke ? even though academy is free, kids aren't good?

they should recruit talented kids. if the academy is free

A lot of "kids that have come out of cosmos" are now on NYCFC - check out the NYCFC 2004 team - 9 former Cosmos players on it. 9!



Agreed.. NYCFC 04 are half Cosmos Players who played last several season for Cosmos. Today Cosmo...er NYCFC played Cosmos 04. Great game 0-0 up until the 20th minute of the 2nd half when the Referee decided to be the star of the game.

Cosmos best player, there last man and a player from NYCFC both tussled to the ground when the NYFC player swung his arm, and hit the Cosmos player square in the forehead, the Cosmos player retaliated and of course who gets caught the second guy. The nearest linesman said he was confused and didnt see anything while he was only 5 feet from the play, you cant make this stuff up.. unreal.. This was a great game from the start.. back and forth.. quality game really both teams played exceptional. Once the referee decide on the red he killed the game. Any good referee will tell you never make it about yourself... Read the game, see how the game is being played.. if anything he could have handled the situation by either giving both reds or both yellows and a stern warning. It was obvious this ref was not up to standards.. and something that is happening on all levels of youth soccer here in NYC. But that's a story for another day.

Up until that point great game.. ashame the ref took the game from the players and decided to put the spot light on him.

a disgruntled parent, current ref myself.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/30/18 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DAs aren't supposed to create a team of national players, they are supposed to provide, if they are lucky, one or two to the national pool every few years; if you think they are constructed to provide any more than that, you are insane. With the population in NY metro area, the number of DA clubs seems about right; if they were distributed better geographically, that would be a good start, since I can see that "one good kid" (fictional, being used as an example) from Suffolk County that will not bother to make trip to Queens 4 days a week, but may make the trip to a Nassau location.


There is a bloody DA team in Nassau--the New York bloody Cosmos. OK, not full DA but if it was full DA (which it might be eventually) the question must be asked, Why is the Cosmos academy not rated as worth the time of a fictional kid from Suffolk, who instead would skip over it to go to Queens?

I have wondered quite a bit about the Cosmos academy. It ticks some boxes people say the want--free & DA, namely. So why isn't it better? Is it because of the ongoing uncertainty over the existence of the senior team and thus the academy? Why hasn't it drawn the best players? On paper seems like Cosmos U12-U15 should be able to recruit teams that are can go toe to toe with RBNY and NYCFC.


Many of the facilities in Suffolk are better than any field employed by the Cosmos for practices and games; with a scattershot approach to fields and games, does not feel like you can ever have home field advantage; and your reasons, not a full academy (will have to commit to additional travel if you want to move up as you age out), uncertainty, main club in flux each year (who knows how long it will last). I agree, in fantasyland, if it were full DA, with a full complement of coaches, and had a dedicated facility it would be a no-brainer for Nassau, Suffolk and Queens kids, unfortunately here of earth, none of that is true.



Cause the NYCFC DA keeps stealing Cosmos Players.. how can a DA Academy team like NYCFC have other current DA academy teams be their affiliates clubs... Example.. MET OVAL, WORLD CLASS, NY Soccer Club, all NYCFC affilates and yet are DA academies as well. This is very unfair if you ask me.. they are technically farm teams for NYCFC so any players they dont like or have no room for add them to their affiliates and then recall them if need them. How is this allowed US SOCCER ?????
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 09/30/18 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DAs aren't supposed to create a team of national players, they are supposed to provide, if they are lucky, one or two to the national pool every few years; if you think they are constructed to provide any more than that, you are insane. With the population in NY metro area, the number of DA clubs seems about right; if they were distributed better geographically, that would be a good start, since I can see that "one good kid" (fictional, being used as an example) from Suffolk County that will not bother to make trip to Queens 4 days a week, but may make the trip to a Nassau location.


There is a bloody DA team in Nassau--the New York bloody Cosmos. OK, not full DA but if it was full DA (which it might be eventually) the question must be asked, Why is the Cosmos academy not rated as worth the time of a fictional kid from Suffolk, who instead would skip over it to go to Queens?

I have wondered quite a bit about the Cosmos academy. It ticks some boxes people say the want--free & DA, namely. So why isn't it better? Is it because of the ongoing uncertainty over the existence of the senior team and thus the academy? Why hasn't it drawn the best players? On paper seems like Cosmos U12-U15 should be able to recruit teams that are can go toe to toe with RBNY and NYCFC.


Many of the facilities in Suffolk are better than any field employed by the Cosmos for practices and games; with a scattershot approach to fields and games, does not feel like you can ever have home field advantage; and your reasons, not a full academy (will have to commit to additional travel if you want to move up as you age out), uncertainty, main club in flux each year (who knows how long it will last). I agree, in fantasyland, if it were full DA, with a full complement of coaches, and had a dedicated facility it would be a no-brainer for Nassau, Suffolk and Queens kids, unfortunately here of earth, none of that is true.



Cosmos practice facility is top notch this year... Garden City Community Park Field.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/01/18 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
DAs aren't supposed to create a team of national players, they are supposed to provide, if they are lucky, one or two to the national pool every few years; if you think they are constructed to provide any more than that, you are insane. With the population in NY metro area, the number of DA clubs seems about right; if they were distributed better geographically, that would be a good start, since I can see that "one good kid" (fictional, being used as an example) from Suffolk County that will not bother to make trip to Queens 4 days a week, but may make the trip to a Nassau location.


There is a bloody DA team in Nassau--the New York bloody Cosmos. OK, not full DA but if it was full DA (which it might be eventually) the question must be asked, Why is the Cosmos academy not rated as worth the time of a fictional kid from Suffolk, who instead would skip over it to go to Queens?

I have wondered quite a bit about the Cosmos academy. It ticks some boxes people say the want--free & DA, namely. So why isn't it better? Is it because of the ongoing uncertainty over the existence of the senior team and thus the academy? Why hasn't it drawn the best players? On paper seems like Cosmos U12-U15 should be able to recruit teams that are can go toe to toe with RBNY and NYCFC.


Many of the facilities in Suffolk are better than any field employed by the Cosmos for practices and games; with a scattershot approach to fields and games, does not feel like you can ever have home field advantage; and your reasons, not a full academy (will have to commit to additional travel if you want to move up as you age out), uncertainty, main club in flux each year (who knows how long it will last). I agree, in fantasyland, if it were full DA, with a full complement of coaches, and had a dedicated facility it would be a no-brainer for Nassau, Suffolk and Queens kids, unfortunately here of earth, none of that is true.



Cause the NYCFC DA keeps stealing Cosmos Players.. how can a DA Academy team like NYCFC have other current DA academy teams be their affiliates clubs... Example.. MET OVAL, WORLD CLASS, NY Soccer Club, all NYCFC affilates and yet are DA academies as well. This is very unfair if you ask me.. they are technically farm teams for NYCFC so any players they dont like or have no room for add them to their affiliates and then recall them if need them. How is this allowed US SOCCER ?????




USSF wants top players to move the MLS clubs. That's how it's supposed to work - MLS clubs are the very top of the pyramid. USSF really doesn't care much about the non MLS clubs or really 98% of DA players. They're there to make geography work and be practice cones for the top 2%. They only care about players that might be pro and NT potential. That's the reality. Also, clubs don't steal players - families seek better opportunities for their kids and make their own decisions.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/01/18 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like Met Oval 16/17 team is having some problems winning.
Bad team or bad coaching??
Met Oval has been bad for a few years now. They need to clean house starting with the 'Italian connection".
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/01/18 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like Met Oval 16/17 team is having some problems winning.
Bad team or bad coaching??
Met Oval has been bad for a few years now. They need to clean house starting with the 'Italian connection".

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looks like Met Oval 16/17 team is having some problems winning.
Bad team or bad coaching??
Met Oval has been bad for a few years now. They need to clean house starting with the 'Italian connection".

Jeff's kid had no other team that would take him, NYCFC gave him the boot,,REDBULLS gave him the boot so he had to go back to daddy's club to play. How good do you expect that team to be with him on it?
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/01/18 05:25 PM

Bad selection of players
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/01/18 07:10 PM




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USSF wants top players to move the MLS clubs. That's how it's supposed to work - MLS clubs are the very top of the pyramid. USSF really doesn't care much about the non MLS clubs or really 98% of DA players. They're there to make geography work and be practice cones for the top 2%. They only care about players that might be pro and NT potential. That's the reality. Also, clubs don't steal players - families seek better opportunities for their kids and make their own decisions.

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Clubs dont steal players.. you want to put money on that.. ? Clubs poaching either directly, via email or other means is widespread.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/01/18 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous





USSF wants top players to move the MLS clubs. That's how it's supposed to work - MLS clubs are the very top of the pyramid. USSF really doesn't care much about the non MLS clubs or really 98% of DA players. They're there to make geography work and be practice cones for the top 2%. They only care about players that might be pro and NT potential. That's the reality. Also, clubs don't steal players - families seek better opportunities for their kids and make their own decisions.

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Clubs dont steal players.. you want to put money on that.. ? Clubs poaching either directly, via email or other means is widespread.
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I don't think that clubs "steal" players; there is nothing to steal, players are always free to leave; teams have a ceiling in terms of league and competition, once ceiling is hit (in eyes of parent usually), the player leaves. If my son's U13 team was still together, would rival any DA, but not meant to be, now most from that team play on several DAs in area; all good kids, I wish them well.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/01/18 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cause the NYCFC DA keeps stealing Cosmos Players.. how can a DA Academy team like NYCFC have other current DA academy teams be their affiliates clubs... Example.. MET OVAL, WORLD CLASS, NY Soccer Club, all NYCFC affilates and yet are DA academies as well. This is very unfair if you ask me.. they are technically farm teams for NYCFC so any players they dont like or have no room for add them to their affiliates and then recall them if need them. How is this allowed US SOCCER ?????


This is becoming a major point of contention between the so-called affiliates and NYCFC. Nevermind that you have internal politics at the affiliates where powerful board members push their kids to NYCFC over other kids who are better players. The nepotism train never stops rolling.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/01/18 09:04 PM

Why would anyone want to steal from the cosmos. Just not worth it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/02/18 03:56 AM

Wait all the 7 players out for injured are back and then come back to talk about them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/02/18 01:14 PM

That statement makes a lot of sense. Lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/02/18 05:01 PM

What they were saying is 7 players (5 starters) are presently out because of various injuries. When they all come back and the team plays together, you should come back and talk about MetOval.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/03/18 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous





USSF wants top players to move the MLS clubs. That's how it's supposed to work - MLS clubs are the very top of the pyramid. USSF really doesn't care much about the non MLS clubs or really 98% of DA players. They're there to make geography work and be practice cones for the top 2%. They only care about players that might be pro and NT potential. That's the reality. Also, clubs don't steal players - families seek better opportunities for their kids and make their own decisions.

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Clubs dont steal players.. you want to put money on that.. ? Clubs poaching either directly, via email or other means is widespread.
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its not stealing.... these Premier Academy Clubs don't own rights...... If it is stealing, why don't they file a lawsuit for compensation? 9 or 10 years I have been following the academy and it has turned out just as I expected..... nothing is different..... same coaches fishing in the same old ponds for the same old players...... The guy is right about the MLS....USSF doesn't give two beans about these premier clubs.... game fodder...... Here is the philosophy, if you have not been paying attention...... all around the world, pro players are developed at pro clubs.... that is the thesis here as well......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/04/18 12:44 PM

Better players will tend to migrate to the best opportunities for them in the area. Here that will be NYCFC and Rbulls. No one is "stealing" anybody. If you want to claim they are "recruiting?" Ok fine but still, that's also how USSF wants it. They want the top players at MLS club getting the best training in a professional environment. Families aren't forced to leave non MLS clubs. They leave because that's the top of the youth soccer pyramid.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/04/18 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Better players will tend to migrate to the best opportunities for them in the area. Here that will be NYCFC and Rbulls. No one is "stealing" anybody. If you want to claim they are "recruiting?" Ok fine but still, that's also how USSF wants it. They want the top players at MLS club getting the best training in a professional environment. Families aren't forced to leave non MLS clubs. They leave because that's the top of the youth soccer pyramid.


The USSF wants the top players in the MLS clubs and the next level of players playing for academies. The USSF ENCOURAGES DA clubs to recruit players. Though most players are brought in through tryouts. If the top players don't go to tryouts then they don't want to play academy. Their choice. DA clubs, like all other clubs, would like to have the best players playing for them. Shocking.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/04/18 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Better players will tend to migrate to the best opportunities for them in the area. Here that will be NYCFC and Rbulls. No one is "stealing" anybody. If you want to claim they are "recruiting?" Ok fine but still, that's also how USSF wants it. They want the top players at MLS club getting the best training in a professional environment. Families aren't forced to leave non MLS clubs. They leave because that's the top of the youth soccer pyramid.


Exactly. All around the world, national teams are populated with players from pro clubs....that's what the USSF wants here. Premier > College > Pro is a path but odds stacked against you. I don't mind the dual path system but the Premier academies are game fodder. Doesn't mean Premier academies can't field competitive teams
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/04/18 06:22 PM

NYCFC and NYRB IS THE TOP PERIOD .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/04/18 07:27 PM

Cosmos were and still are not good. Those who moved to nycfc and Red Bull’s won’t last too long
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/04/18 08:34 PM

Tri-State area DA teams are too diluted with the exception of the DA all-star teams that are the MLS squads. There should be some consolidation - but we know that won't happen because money. And some DA clubs should have their status revoked for pretending.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/04/18 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Better players will tend to migrate to the best opportunities for them in the area. Here that will be NYCFC and Rbulls. No one is "stealing" anybody. If you want to claim they are "recruiting?" Ok fine but still, that's also how USSF wants it. They want the top players at MLS club getting the best training in a professional environment. Families aren't forced to leave non MLS clubs. They leave because that's the top of the youth soccer pyramid.


The USSF wants the top players in the MLS clubs and the next level of players playing for academies. The USSF ENCOURAGES DA clubs to recruit players. Though most players are brought in through tryouts. If the top players don't go to tryouts then they don't want to play academy. Their choice. DA clubs, like all other clubs, would like to have the best players playing for them. Shocking.


If the lower clubs really cared about player development they would push kids up to the higher level teams. Instead they want to keep them to help with wins, get kids in the door and the checks from the parents. Best kid my coach ever had told him he needed more and helped push him up the ladder. Of course a little financial incentive for promoting kids up the ladder would go a long way also. Right now there is no such incentive to do so
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/04/18 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tri-State area DA teams are too diluted with the exception of the DA all-star teams that are the MLS squads. There should be some consolidation - but we know that won't happen because money. And some DA clubs should have their status revoked for pretending.


I dunno man, tri-state population is 20 million. That means about 1.3% per age group in the 10-20 year band*, or 260,000 per age group. Assuming 50/50 men/women, that's 130,000 boys per age group.

With 18-20 players per team, and about what, 10 teams in the tri-state, that's 180-200 total, or 0.15% of the eligible population. That can't in my mind be a problem of dilution, but rather a factor of costs, interest, coaching, etc.


*based on 2010 US census for 5-17 and 18-24 y.o. age groups nationally
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/05/18 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tri-State area DA teams are too diluted with the exception of the DA all-star teams that are the MLS squads. There should be some consolidation - but we know that won't happen because money. And some DA clubs should have their status revoked for pretending.


I dunno man, tri-state population is 20 million. That means about 1.3% per age group in the 10-20 year band*, or 260,000 per age group. Assuming 50/50 men/women, that's 130,000 boys per age group.

With 18-20 players per team, and about what, 10 teams in the tri-state, that's 180-200 total, or 0.15% of the eligible population. That can't in my mind be a problem of dilution, but rather a factor of costs, interest, coaching, etc.


*based on 2010 US census for 5-17 and 18-24 y.o. age groups nationally


Look at the big brain on Brad. smile Just kidding, nice job using something real like numbers for your position.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/05/18 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tri-State area DA teams are too diluted with the exception of the DA all-star teams that are the MLS squads. There should be some consolidation - but we know that won't happen because money. And some DA clubs should have their status revoked for pretending.


I dunno man, tri-state population is 20 million. That means about 1.3% per age group in the 10-20 year band*, or 260,000 per age group. Assuming 50/50 men/women, that's 130,000 boys per age group.

With 18-20 players per team, and about what, 10 teams in the tri-state, that's 180-200 total, or 0.15% of the eligible population. That can't in my mind be a problem of dilution, but rather a factor of costs, interest, coaching, etc.


*based on 2010 US census for 5-17 and 18-24 y.o. age groups nationally


There isn't enough true top talent to go around and create competitive teams. Top D1 or pro potential material are exceptions, not the rule. There's plenty of players to fill rosters and write checks, however.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/05/18 10:41 PM


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USSF wants top players to move the MLS clubs. That's how it's supposed to work - MLS clubs are the very top of the pyramid. USSF really doesn't care much about the non MLS clubs or really 98% of DA players. They're there to make geography work and be practice cones for the top 2%. They only care about players that might be pro and NT potential. That's the reality. Also, clubs don't steal players - families seek better opportunities for their kids and make their own decisions.

You said that USSF doesn't really care about the non-MLS clubs...IF that is true then why for example is the U15 Boys National Team currently 20 players, 17 of whom are DA and of those 17 only 6 are from MLS clubs...explain that. Granted U16 has 13 of the 20 playing MLS, but you get my point.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/06/18 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous



USSF wants top players to move the MLS clubs. That's how it's supposed to work - MLS clubs are the very top of the pyramid. USSF really doesn't care much about the non MLS clubs or really 98% of DA players. They're there to make geography work and be practice cones for the top 2%. They only care about players that might be pro and NT potential. That's the reality. Also, clubs don't steal players - families seek better opportunities for their kids and make their own decisions.

You said that USSF doesn't really care about the non-MLS clubs...IF that is true then why for example is the U15 Boys National Team currently 20 players, 17 of whom are DA and of those 17 only 6 are from MLS clubs...explain that. Granted U16 has 13 of the 20 playing MLS, but you get my point.
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They very much do care about the non mls clubs. True they want the top top players at mls clubs. But they cater to everyone else. That is why they have showcases for college coaches that are the best attended showcases in the country. They realize those that don't go pro will want to play college ball and most do at whatever level.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/06/18 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



USSF wants top players to move the MLS clubs. That's how it's supposed to work - MLS clubs are the very top of the pyramid. USSF really doesn't care much about the non MLS clubs or really 98% of DA players. They're there to make geography work and be practice cones for the top 2%. They only care about players that might be pro and NT potential. That's the reality. Also, clubs don't steal players - families seek better opportunities for their kids and make their own decisions.

You said that USSF doesn't really care about the non-MLS clubs...IF that is true then why for example is the U15 Boys National Team currently 20 players, 17 of whom are DA and of those 17 only 6 are from MLS clubs...explain that. Granted U16 has 13 of the 20 playing MLS, but you get my point.


They very much do care about the non mls clubs. True they want the top top players at mls clubs. But they cater to everyone else. That is why they have showcases for college coaches that are the best attended showcases in the country. They realize those that don't go pro will want to play college ball and most do at whatever level. [/quote]

There have always been big recruiting tournaments. How were colleges fielding teams with players before the academy league? It's a bone. Most kid sitting attend a college within a 3 hour radius.....you don't have to go from NJ to a tournament in Phoenix to find players.... if you think players get "seen" and recruited in that format, you are misled. It's happens for a very select few. Too many games, too many players and not enough college recruiters.......how visible is every kid on the roster in those tournaments and do you think coaches get to see enough..... the exceptional players are just that.....exceptional!
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/06/18 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



USSF wants top players to move the MLS clubs. That's how it's supposed to work - MLS clubs are the very top of the pyramid. USSF really doesn't care much about the non MLS clubs or really 98% of DA players. They're there to make geography work and be practice cones for the top 2%. They only care about players that might be pro and NT potential. That's the reality. Also, clubs don't steal players - families seek better opportunities for their kids and make their own decisions.

You said that USSF doesn't really care about the non-MLS clubs...IF that is true then why for example is the U15 Boys National Team currently 20 players, 17 of whom are DA and of those 17 only 6 are from MLS clubs...explain that. Granted U16 has 13 of the 20 playing MLS, but you get my point.


They very much do care about the non mls clubs. True they want the top top players at mls clubs. But they cater to everyone else. That is why they have showcases for college coaches that are the best attended showcases in the country. They realize those that don't go pro will want to play college ball and most do at whatever level.


There have always been big recruiting tournaments. How were colleges fielding teams with players before the academy league? It's a bone. Most kid sitting attend a college within a 3 hour radius.....you don't have to go from NJ to a tournament in Phoenix to find players.... if you think players get "seen" and recruited in that format, you are misled. It's happens for a very select few. Too many games, too many players and not enough college recruiters.......how visible is every kid on the roster in those tournaments and do you think coaches get to see enough..... the exceptional players are just that.....exceptional!
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I don't know what you're talking about. And neither do you. On our team almost every player that had committed was first seen at a showcase or academy league game populated with college scouts. I remember 1 got spotted at an id camp. Only 1. The vast majority were contacted at or after showcases. Once the player is identified at a showcase the contact is made and the coach takes it from there, with communication and school visits down the line. There were always showcases and there are still showcases for premier teams. I agree. But you must agree that if the USSF didn't care about the rest of the players it would not waste its time organizing these showcases. Your initial premise was that the USSF only cares about those that have pro potential. That's not true. Don't switch the subject.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/06/18 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous



USSF wants top players to move the MLS clubs. That's how it's supposed to work - MLS clubs are the very top of the pyramid. USSF really doesn't care much about the non MLS clubs or really 98% of DA players. They're there to make geography work and be practice cones for the top 2%. They only care about players that might be pro and NT potential. That's the reality. Also, clubs don't steal players - families seek better opportunities for their kids and make their own decisions.

You said that USSF doesn't really care about the non-MLS clubs...IF that is true then why for example is the U15 Boys National Team currently 20 players, 17 of whom are DA and of those 17 only 6 are from MLS clubs...explain that. Granted U16 has 13 of the 20 playing MLS, but you get my point.


They very much do care about the non mls clubs. True they want the top top players at mls clubs. But they cater to everyone else. That is why they have showcases for college coaches that are the best attended showcases in the country. They realize those that don't go pro will want to play college ball and most do at whatever level.


There have always been big recruiting tournaments. How were colleges fielding teams with players before the academy league? It's a bone. Most kid sitting attend a college within a 3 hour radius.....you don't have to go from NJ to a tournament in Phoenix to find players.... if you think players get "seen" and recruited in that format, you are misled. It's happens for a very select few. Too many games, too many players and not enough college recruiters.......how visible is every kid on the roster in those tournaments and do you think coaches get to see enough..... the exceptional players are just that.....exceptional!


I don't know what you're talking about. And neither do you. On our team almost every player that had committed was first seen at a showcase or academy league game populated with college scouts. I remember 1 got spotted at an id camp. Only 1. The vast majority were contacted at or after showcases. Once the player is identified at a showcase the contact is made and the coach takes it from there, with communication and school visits down the line. There were always showcases and there are still showcases for premier teams. I agree. But you must agree that if the USSF didn't care about the rest of the players it would not waste its time organizing these showcases. Your initial premise was that the USSF only cares about those that have pro potential. That's not true. Don't switch the subject.[/quote]

MLS clubs are a priority. I will post some links. Other than sub rules, these game and player should look no different than Region 1 NERP from 12 years ago. Does it look different to you? Other than MLS clubs and sub rules, what's different? At least there was relegation in the "old days".....PDA, BWG, FCW, SEACOAST, BEACHSIDE, Bolts, BAYS (Armour) ETC were NERP teams. Same clubs, same coaches, fishing the same ponds for players. Other than a better website for scores, what's different base on your experience?
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/06/18 10:59 PM

Here is an example. If your son is playing at a Premier Academy, ask if your DOC and other coaches have gone to France.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017...artnership-fff-academy-coaches-education

Separate but equal......
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/07/18 12:34 AM

Here is another example....

https://www.mlssoccer.com/generation-adidas-cup/2018

Premier academies are game fodder...the showcases are a bone for the paying customers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/07/18 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Here is another example....

https://www.mlssoccer.com/generation-adidas-cup/2018

Premier academies are game fodder...the showcases are a bone for the paying customers.


Is it true what's been said here that your son failed to make any DA teams despite repeated tryouts? Would be good to understand where you're coming from.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/07/18 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Here is another example....

https://www.mlssoccer.com/generation-adidas-cup/2018

Premier academies are game fodder...the showcases are a bone for the paying customers.


Is it true what's been said here that your son failed to make any DA teams despite repeated tryouts? Would be good to understand where you're coming from.


Laughable. Anyway, I was just pointing out the failure that is the USSF DA is. It all starts with good training and casting a wider net. It's a bad system. The results don't lie. The academy system was supposed to focus on large MSAs with high immigrant populations to draw from underserved communities likely to put more eggs in the pro soccer basket. What happened was the same old clubs were re-labeled with academy status. Same coaches and the same players.... how this was supposed to raise the level of play is beyond me.....At least the MLS clubs with the help of USSF is seeking to improve the quality of the coaches.....how is Albertson or Empire supposed to develop national team quality players today versus 12 years ago? By playing in a better league? Nothing against you.....it's the folks running the USSF.....you ever look at the board of directors? It used to be doctors and lawyers.....not sure it has changed.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/07/18 05:47 PM

http://www.paclassics.org/_files/U_S__Soccer_Development_Academy_Origins.pdf

Some history.....this was a second presentation....
The first had more detail on the original objectives..... look at how ridiculous this reads. Your kid getting Bradenton type training at these "Premier Academies"
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/07/18 05:56 PM

One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 10:06 AM

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
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when was this ? is this a league game ? I think this is the first time they play each other ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2



Also depends how you define what the "poor system" is. You have to think about the bigger system.

$$$ is the driver for all things, like it or not. What is the incentive to have a "better system" wherein the better system develops players for the highest level (whatever that level is)? In other countries there is an ROI on investing in youth development. Here there is not much incentive at all.

Paul Pogba's neighborhood youth club US Torcy outside Paris earned about 300,000 euros when he moved from Juventus to Manchester United. That's an incentive to develop players.

In the USA! USA!! USA!!! MLS and the MLS players union have stifled every attempt to allow youth clubs to take part in the FIFA system of transfer fees and training compensation. The only ROI here is in fine tuning your BS sales pitch to get as many parents to pay for whatever you can sell them.

Think it's better at the MLS academies? Not really. Believe me there are plenty of MLS franchises that don't really want to have academies and especially free to parents academies because they have almost no chance to recoup that expense! They're literally just throwing money away on these teams and occasionally they get one or two that make it to the first team and they've saved a little on not having to buy that player. The academies probably against their marketing budgets and not anything to do with player development.

So we're stuck in "poor system." But don't expect anyone to care about developing little Johnny and little Jane out of the goodness of their heart. Need a system that makes it worth these clubs' while to put in the work.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2



Also depends how you define what the "poor system" is. You have to think about the bigger system.

$$$ is the driver for all things, like it or not. What is the incentive to have a "better system" wherein the better system develops players for the highest level (whatever that level is)? In other countries there is an ROI on investing in youth development. Here there is not much incentive at all.

Paul Pogba's neighborhood youth club US Torcy outside Paris earned about 300,000 euros when he moved from Juventus to Manchester United. That's an incentive to develop players.

In the USA! USA!! USA!!! MLS and the MLS players union have stifled every attempt to allow youth clubs to take part in the FIFA system of transfer fees and training compensation. The only ROI here is in fine tuning your BS sales pitch to get as many parents to pay for whatever you can sell them.

Think it's better at the MLS academies? Not really. Believe me there are plenty of MLS franchises that don't really want to have academies and especially free to parents academies because they have almost no chance to recoup that expense! They're literally just throwing money away on these teams and occasionally they get one or two that make it to the first team and they've saved a little on not having to buy that player. The academies probably against their marketing budgets and not anything to do with player development.

So we're stuck in "poor system." But don't expect anyone to care about developing little Johnny and little Jane out of the goodness of their heart. Need a system that makes it worth these clubs' while to put in the work.

best post !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2



Also depends how you define what the "poor system" is. You have to think about the bigger system.

$$$ is the driver for all things, like it or not. What is the incentive to have a "better system" wherein the better system develops players for the highest level (whatever that level is)? In other countries there is an ROI on investing in youth development. Here there is not much incentive at all.

Paul Pogba's neighborhood youth club US Torcy outside Paris earned about 300,000 euros when he moved from Juventus to Manchester United. That's an incentive to develop players.

In the USA! USA!! USA!!! MLS and the MLS players union have stifled every attempt to allow youth clubs to take part in the FIFA system of transfer fees and training compensation. The only ROI here is in fine tuning your BS sales pitch to get as many parents to pay for whatever you can sell them.

Think it's better at the MLS academies? Not really. Believe me there are plenty of MLS franchises that don't really want to have academies and especially free to parents academies because they have almost no chance to recoup that expense! They're literally just throwing money away on these teams and occasionally they get one or two that make it to the first team and they've saved a little on not having to buy that player. The academies probably against their marketing budgets and not anything to do with player development.

So we're stuck in "poor system." But don't expect anyone to care about developing little Johnny and little Jane out of the goodness of their heart. Need a system that makes it worth these clubs' while to put in the work.

best post !


Or they create a GDA, and use some of those proceeds to fund the boys program, as they don't give a flying F about the girls program....
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2



Also depends how you define what the "poor system" is. You have to think about the bigger system.

$$$ is the driver for all things, like it or not. What is the incentive to have a "better system" wherein the better system develops players for the highest level (whatever that level is)? In other countries there is an ROI on investing in youth development. Here there is not much incentive at all.

Paul Pogba's neighborhood youth club US Torcy outside Paris earned about 300,000 euros when he moved from Juventus to Manchester United. That's an incentive to develop players.

In the USA! USA!! USA!!! MLS and the MLS players union have stifled every attempt to allow youth clubs to take part in the FIFA system of transfer fees and training compensation. The only ROI here is in fine tuning your BS sales pitch to get as many parents to pay for whatever you can sell them.

Think it's better at the MLS academies? Not really. Believe me there are plenty of MLS franchises that don't really want to have academies and especially free to parents academies because they have almost no chance to recoup that expense! They're literally just throwing money away on these teams and occasionally they get one or two that make it to the first team and they've saved a little on not having to buy that player. The academies probably against their marketing budgets and not anything to do with player development.

So we're stuck in "poor system." But don't expect anyone to care about developing little Johnny and little Jane out of the goodness of their heart. Need a system that makes it worth these clubs' while to put in the work.


Now you are cooking with gas....if it is hard to incent the MLS clubs, what is the incentive for the owners of these Premier Academies?..... the incentive is its their livelihood. My point about the academy program is that it was supposed to be programmatic but it has turned out to be a glorified league. I don't blame the parents for sending their kids to play in this league. Its the best competition. That is not be confused with it being a great system to develop players. We need better training with less travel. Kids spend too much time traveling to practice and games and not enough time working on individual skill and flair. DeMarcus Beasley, Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey were pretty good players. Dempsey traveled to play against men.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2



Also depends how you define what the "poor system" is. You have to think about the bigger system.

$$$ is the driver for all things, like it or not. What is the incentive to have a "better system" wherein the better system develops players for the highest level (whatever that level is)? In other countries there is an ROI on investing in youth development. Here there is not much incentive at all.

Paul Pogba's neighborhood youth club US Torcy outside Paris earned about 300,000 euros when he moved from Juventus to Manchester United. That's an incentive to develop players.

In the USA! USA!! USA!!! MLS and the MLS players union have stifled every attempt to allow youth clubs to take part in the FIFA system of transfer fees and training compensation. The only ROI here is in fine tuning your BS sales pitch to get as many parents to pay for whatever you can sell them.

Think it's better at the MLS academies? Not really. Believe me there are plenty of MLS franchises that don't really want to have academies and especially free to parents academies because they have almost no chance to recoup that expense! They're literally just throwing money away on these teams and occasionally they get one or two that make it to the first team and they've saved a little on not having to buy that player. The academies probably against their marketing budgets and not anything to do with player development.

So we're stuck in "poor system." But don't expect anyone to care about developing little Johnny and little Jane out of the goodness of their heart. Need a system that makes it worth these clubs' while to put in the work.

best post !


Thanks. And look I'm not saying it's some simple overnight thing to get this in a better position. And there are some real dangers of commoditizing young kids and only seeing them as potential sources of $$$ for your club. But that's where strict safeguards come in (which, OK, even the supposed choir boys at Barcelona flouted by breaking FIFA Article 19 regarding protection of minors and prohibiting international transfers of players under the age of 18, resulting in a two-window transfer ban in 2014).

But look, do you want a "recreational" soccer system at the highest youth level in the US or a "professional" one? Right now it's recreational, which is fine if we all agree that that's what we want and we're OK with producing recreational players. If we want to compete and not miss the world cup again, look at the incentives in place (or not in place) to get the players to the level needed to compete with the rest of the world. What does a local DOC get right now if they produce a pro? A pat on the back. How much incentive is that?!?

And one more thing, people often say "we're only talking about a minuscule percentage of kids that will go pro." That's the same issue everywhere! Most kids playing for category 1 academies in England or the top clubs in Germany won't make it either. That doesn't stop the clubs from trying. Again, as Pogba's club shows, one kid who makes it from your turf can pay to keep the lights on for a year or some buses or heaven forbid to lower the fees for the kids currently at the club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2



Also depends how you define what the "poor system" is. You have to think about the bigger system.

$$$ is the driver for all things, like it or not. What is the incentive to have a "better system" wherein the better system develops players for the highest level (whatever that level is)? In other countries there is an ROI on investing in youth development. Here there is not much incentive at all.

Paul Pogba's neighborhood youth club US Torcy outside Paris earned about 300,000 euros when he moved from Juventus to Manchester United. That's an incentive to develop players.

In the USA! USA!! USA!!! MLS and the MLS players union have stifled every attempt to allow youth clubs to take part in the FIFA system of transfer fees and training compensation. The only ROI here is in fine tuning your BS sales pitch to get as many parents to pay for whatever you can sell them.

Think it's better at the MLS academies? Not really. Believe me there are plenty of MLS franchises that don't really want to have academies and especially free to parents academies because they have almost no chance to recoup that expense! They're literally just throwing money away on these teams and occasionally they get one or two that make it to the first team and they've saved a little on not having to buy that player. The academies probably against their marketing budgets and not anything to do with player development.

So we're stuck in "poor system." But don't expect anyone to care about developing little Johnny and little Jane out of the goodness of their heart. Need a system that makes it worth these clubs' while to put in the work.


Now you are cooking with gas....if it is hard to incent the MLS clubs, what is the incentive for the owners of these Premier Academies?..... the incentive is its their livelihood. My point about the academy program is that it was supposed to be programmatic but it has turned out to be a glorified league. I don't blame the parents for sending their kids to play in this league. Its the best competition. That is not be confused with it being a great system to develop players. We need better training with less travel. Kids spend too much time traveling to practice and games and not enough time working on individual skill and flair. DeMarcus Beasley, Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey were pretty good players. Dempsey traveled to play against men.


Individual skill and flair isn't coachable. No program will make a kid go out on his own and practice. Kid has to want to do that on his own. Those guys you mention were willing to do it when no one was requiring them to and that's the same the world over.

And the DA as a program vs a league was always doomed to failure. What there should be if US Soccer wants to control the development and have a national program with a unified development philosophy is institute local US Soccer teams run by US Soccer coaches who all coach the same style etc. You have the historical knowledge, Falcon. Didn't that used to happen more? Weren't there US soccer run regional teams that competed regularly? That's better at least from a national team development perspective. Won't fix much else, but at least national teams would be better.

Like for one of these Columbus Day tournaments this weekend why weren't there NY/NJ/CT combined US Soccer teams picked by the scouts competing a year or two up from U13 to say U16? So kids hand picked by US Soccer scouts to play in the US jersey at some regional tournaments.

Course all everyone would do is scream that all the players picked were due to politics....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 06:13 PM

final for Brooklyn Italian tournament (no results yet)


BROOKLYN ITALIANS 2005 NPL BLUE (NYE)

CLARKSTOWN 2005 ELITE (NYE)
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2



Also depends how you define what the "poor system" is. You have to think about the bigger system.

$$$ is the driver for all things, like it or not. What is the incentive to have a "better system" wherein the better system develops players for the highest level (whatever that level is)? In other countries there is an ROI on investing in youth development. Here there is not much incentive at all.

Paul Pogba's neighborhood youth club US Torcy outside Paris earned about 300,000 euros when he moved from Juventus to Manchester United. That's an incentive to develop players.

In the USA! USA!! USA!!! MLS and the MLS players union have stifled every attempt to allow youth clubs to take part in the FIFA system of transfer fees and training compensation. The only ROI here is in fine tuning your BS sales pitch to get as many parents to pay for whatever you can sell them.

Think it's better at the MLS academies? Not really. Believe me there are plenty of MLS franchises that don't really want to have academies and especially free to parents academies because they have almost no chance to recoup that expense! They're literally just throwing money away on these teams and occasionally they get one or two that make it to the first team and they've saved a little on not having to buy that player. The academies probably against their marketing budgets and not anything to do with player development.

So we're stuck in "poor system." But don't expect anyone to care about developing little Johnny and little Jane out of the goodness of their heart. Need a system that makes it worth these clubs' while to put in the work.


Now you are cooking with gas....if it is hard to incent the MLS clubs, what is the incentive for the owners of these Premier Academies?..... the incentive is its their livelihood. My point about the academy program is that it was supposed to be programmatic but it has turned out to be a glorified league. I don't blame the parents for sending their kids to play in this league. Its the best competition. That is not be confused with it being a great system to develop players. We need better training with less travel. Kids spend too much time traveling to practice and games and not enough time working on individual skill and flair. DeMarcus Beasley, Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey were pretty good players. Dempsey traveled to play against men.


Individual skill and flair isn't coachable. No program will make a kid go out on his own and practice. Kid has to want to do that on his own. Those guys you mention were willing to do it when no one was requiring them to and that's the same the world over.

And the DA as a program vs a league was always doomed to failure. What there should be if US Soccer wants to control the development and have a national program with a unified development philosophy is institute local US Soccer teams run by US Soccer coaches who all coach the same style etc. You have the historical knowledge, Falcon. Didn't that used to happen more? Weren't there US soccer run regional teams that competed regularly? That's better at least from a national team development perspective. Won't fix much else, but at least national teams would be better.

Like for one of these Columbus Day tournaments this weekend why weren't there NY/NJ/CT combined US Soccer teams picked by the scouts competing a year or two up from U13 to say U16? So kids hand picked by US Soccer scouts to play in the US jersey at some regional tournaments.

Course all everyone would do is scream that all the players picked were due to politics....


yes regarding skill and flair...... these are things picked up outside of "practice" in my opinion....... I agree on the doomed to fail..... I never understood why USSF did not start up its own team's de novo as opposed to re-labeling FC Delco, Pa Classics, FCW, Beachside, Bolts, Bays etc..... You know why they did it that way? USSF has no money to invest in youth clubs and MLS clubs had very little money as well.....I don't know what FCW is supposed to be doing today that is any different than what they were doing 12 years ago. I know what is says on paper but I am talking about reality......
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2



Also depends how you define what the "poor system" is. You have to think about the bigger system.

$$$ is the driver for all things, like it or not. What is the incentive to have a "better system" wherein the better system develops players for the highest level (whatever that level is)? In other countries there is an ROI on investing in youth development. Here there is not much incentive at all.

Paul Pogba's neighborhood youth club US Torcy outside Paris earned about 300,000 euros when he moved from Juventus to Manchester United. That's an incentive to develop players.

In the USA! USA!! USA!!! MLS and the MLS players union have stifled every attempt to allow youth clubs to take part in the FIFA system of transfer fees and training compensation. The only ROI here is in fine tuning your BS sales pitch to get as many parents to pay for whatever you can sell them.

Think it's better at the MLS academies? Not really. Believe me there are plenty of MLS franchises that don't really want to have academies and especially free to parents academies because they have almost no chance to recoup that expense! They're literally just throwing money away on these teams and occasionally they get one or two that make it to the first team and they've saved a little on not having to buy that player. The academies probably against their marketing budgets and not anything to do with player development.

So we're stuck in "poor system." But don't expect anyone to care about developing little Johnny and little Jane out of the goodness of their heart. Need a system that makes it worth these clubs' while to put in the work.

best post !


Thanks. And look I'm not saying it's some simple overnight thing to get this in a better position. And there are some real dangers of commoditizing young kids and only seeing them as potential sources of $$$ for your club. But that's where strict safeguards come in (which, OK, even the supposed choir boys at Barcelona flouted by breaking FIFA Article 19 regarding protection of minors and prohibiting international transfers of players under the age of 18, resulting in a two-window transfer ban in 2014).

But look, do you want a "recreational" soccer system at the highest youth level in the US or a "professional" one? Right now it's recreational, which is fine if we all agree that that's what we want and we're OK with producing recreational players. If we want to compete and not miss the world cup again, look at the incentives in place (or not in place) to get the players to the level needed to compete with the rest of the world. What does a local DOC get right now if they produce a pro? A pat on the back. How much incentive is that?!?

And one more thing, people often say "we're only talking about a minuscule percentage of kids that will go pro." That's the same issue everywhere! Most kids playing for category 1 academies in England or the top clubs in Germany won't make it either. That doesn't stop the clubs from trying. Again, as Pogba's club shows, one kid who makes it from your turf can pay to keep the lights on for a year or some buses or heaven forbid to lower the fees for the kids currently at the club.


Not only do they get a "pat on the back" but the USSF then encourages the player to move to an MLs club which is good for the player. The Premier Academy coach loses players and maybe games and is no longer an attractive option for parents interested in "winning" games...... Unfortunately, Youth Soccer is a cottage industry and guys can make a good living on the backs of parents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2



Also depends how you define what the "poor system" is. You have to think about the bigger system.

$$$ is the driver for all things, like it or not. What is the incentive to have a "better system" wherein the better system develops players for the highest level (whatever that level is)? In other countries there is an ROI on investing in youth development. Here there is not much incentive at all.

Paul Pogba's neighborhood youth club US Torcy outside Paris earned about 300,000 euros when he moved from Juventus to Manchester United. That's an incentive to develop players.

In the USA! USA!! USA!!! MLS and the MLS players union have stifled every attempt to allow youth clubs to take part in the FIFA system of transfer fees and training compensation. The only ROI here is in fine tuning your BS sales pitch to get as many parents to pay for whatever you can sell them.

Think it's better at the MLS academies? Not really. Believe me there are plenty of MLS franchises that don't really want to have academies and especially free to parents academies because they have almost no chance to recoup that expense! They're literally just throwing money away on these teams and occasionally they get one or two that make it to the first team and they've saved a little on not having to buy that player. The academies probably against their marketing budgets and not anything to do with player development.

So we're stuck in "poor system." But don't expect anyone to care about developing little Johnny and little Jane out of the goodness of their heart. Need a system that makes it worth these clubs' while to put in the work.


Now you are cooking with gas....if it is hard to incent the MLS clubs, what is the incentive for the owners of these Premier Academies?..... the incentive is its their livelihood. My point about the academy program is that it was supposed to be programmatic but it has turned out to be a glorified league. I don't blame the parents for sending their kids to play in this league. Its the best competition. That is not be confused with it being a great system to develop players. We need better training with less travel. Kids spend too much time traveling to practice and games and not enough time working on individual skill and flair. DeMarcus Beasley, Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey were pretty good players. Dempsey traveled to play against men.


Individual skill and flair isn't coachable. No program will make a kid go out on his own and practice. Kid has to want to do that on his own. Those guys you mention were willing to do it when no one was requiring them to and that's the same the world over.

And the DA as a program vs a league was always doomed to failure. What there should be if US Soccer wants to control the development and have a national program with a unified development philosophy is institute local US Soccer teams run by US Soccer coaches who all coach the same style etc. You have the historical knowledge, Falcon. Didn't that used to happen more? Weren't there US soccer run regional teams that competed regularly? That's better at least from a national team development perspective. Won't fix much else, but at least national teams would be better.

Like for one of these Columbus Day tournaments this weekend why weren't there NY/NJ/CT combined US Soccer teams picked by the scouts competing a year or two up from U13 to say U16? So kids hand picked by US Soccer scouts to play in the US jersey at some regional tournaments.

Course all everyone would do is scream that all the players picked were due to politics....


yes regarding skill and flair...... these are things picked up outside of "practice" in my opinion....... I agree on the doomed to fail..... I never understood why USSF did not start up its own team's de novo as opposed to re-labeling FC Delco, Pa Classics, FCW, Beachside, Bolts, Bays etc..... You know why they did it that way? USSF has no money to invest in youth clubs and MLS clubs had very little money as well.....I don't know what FCW is supposed to be doing today that is any different than what they were doing 12 years ago. I know what is says on paper but I am talking about reality......


Spot on. Different lipstick on same pigs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
final for Brooklyn Italian tournament (no results yet)


BROOKLYN ITALIANS 2005 NPL BLUE (NYE)

CLARKSTOWN 2005 ELITE (NYE)





BROOKLYN ITALIANS 2005 win 1-0
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/08/18 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
One more old thread.....nothing has changed other than a new set of parents that don't know what came before them. This isn't about you......it's about the people running a poor system..you should demand better.....

https://www.backofthenet.com/62rd/ubbthreads.php/topics/383349/2



Also depends how you define what the "poor system" is. You have to think about the bigger system.

$$$ is the driver for all things, like it or not. What is the incentive to have a "better system" wherein the better system develops players for the highest level (whatever that level is)? In other countries there is an ROI on investing in youth development. Here there is not much incentive at all.

Paul Pogba's neighborhood youth club US Torcy outside Paris earned about 300,000 euros when he moved from Juventus to Manchester United. That's an incentive to develop players.

In the USA! USA!! USA!!! MLS and the MLS players union have stifled every attempt to allow youth clubs to take part in the FIFA system of transfer fees and training compensation. The only ROI here is in fine tuning your BS sales pitch to get as many parents to pay for whatever you can sell them.

Think it's better at the MLS academies? Not really. Believe me there are plenty of MLS franchises that don't really want to have academies and especially free to parents academies because they have almost no chance to recoup that expense! They're literally just throwing money away on these teams and occasionally they get one or two that make it to the first team and they've saved a little on not having to buy that player. The academies probably against their marketing budgets and not anything to do with player development.

So we're stuck in "poor system." But don't expect anyone to care about developing little Johnny and little Jane out of the goodness of their heart. Need a system that makes it worth these clubs' while to put in the work.

This is why the biggest issue for all of US Soccer - including youth development - is lack of Promotion/Relegation, followed by lack of training compensation/solidarity payments. If lower level clubs like Brooklyn Italians or Landsdowne Boys or Westchester Flames had the ability to move up Divisions to Division 2 and eventually Division 1 based on sporting results, then they would all have major incentives to find and develop the best talent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/09/18 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tri-State area DA teams are too diluted with the exception of the DA all-star teams that are the MLS squads. There should be some consolidation - but we know that won't happen because money. And some DA clubs should have their status revoked for pretending.


I dunno man, tri-state population is 20 million. That means about 1.3% per age group in the 10-20 year band*, or 260,000 per age group. Assuming 50/50 men/women, that's 130,000 boys per age group.

With 18-20 players per team, and about what, 10 teams in the tri-state, that's 180-200 total, or 0.15% of the eligible population. That can't in my mind be a problem of dilution, but rather a factor of costs, interest, coaching, etc.


*based on 2010 US census for 5-17 and 18-24 y.o. age groups nationally


OP - just by way of comparison, Iceland has 334,252 people (2016), assuming 50/50 split and roughly the same age group %, the 0.15% from above is equivalent to 3 boys. 3. Not enough to field even a team, but yet they routinely feature in youth and national team tournaments. What's the difference? Minimum coaching requirement is UEFA B (at least in part) even for toddlers! And everyone has access to a pitch thanks to UEFA $$ (and some spillover from that weird pre-crisis Icelandic banking boom and bust).

I am not disputing the issue today is that we have too few top players and it's difficult to get the best playing the best consistently. That appears to be dilution - but that's just a lazy way to cover up the root issues, which is that our pay-to-play model is fundamentally broken.

It's funny though. Youth baseball isn't a really fundamentally different system but it flourishes and produces major-league level talent by age 18 consistently. It helps that baseball has been the national pastime for >100 years.

I don't have any answers, but I do feel a generational inflection point is being reached - more kids enthusiastic about soccer - the game, the players, the leagues - translating into desire to play competitively not just to get on their HS team, but to reach higher. Here's to hoping that flywheel keeps spinning faster and faster.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/09/18 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Tri-State area DA teams are too diluted with the exception of the DA all-star teams that are the MLS squads. There should be some consolidation - but we know that won't happen because money. And some DA clubs should have their status revoked for pretending.


I dunno man, tri-state population is 20 million. That means about 1.3% per age group in the 10-20 year band*, or 260,000 per age group. Assuming 50/50 men/women, that's 130,000 boys per age group.

With 18-20 players per team, and about what, 10 teams in the tri-state, that's 180-200 total, or 0.15% of the eligible population. That can't in my mind be a problem of dilution, but rather a factor of costs, interest, coaching, etc.


*based on 2010 US census for 5-17 and 18-24 y.o. age groups nationally


OP - just by way of comparison, Iceland has 334,252 people (2016), assuming 50/50 split and roughly the same age group %, the 0.15% from above is equivalent to 3 boys. 3. Not enough to field even a team, but yet they routinely feature in youth and national team tournaments. What's the difference? Minimum coaching requirement is UEFA B (at least in part) even for toddlers! And everyone has access to a pitch thanks to UEFA $$ (and some spillover from that weird pre-crisis Icelandic banking boom and bust).

I am not disputing the issue today is that we have too few top players and it's difficult to get the best playing the best consistently. That appears to be dilution - but that's just a lazy way to cover up the root issues, which is that our pay-to-play model is fundamentally broken.

It's funny though. Youth baseball isn't a really fundamentally different system but it flourishes and produces major-league level talent by age 18 consistently. It helps that baseball has been the national pastime for >100 years.

I don't have any answers, but I do feel a generational inflection point is being reached - more kids enthusiastic about soccer - the game, the players, the leagues - translating into desire to play competitively not just to get on their HS team, but to reach higher. Here's to hoping that flywheel keeps spinning faster and faster.


It starts with good training. Better training and easier access. It is simple. If I were developing a system, I would invest in developing local youth leagues in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, DC/Baltimore, Chicago, Dallas, LA, Miami, St. Louis, Oakland/SF and Seattle. I would limit league play to just teams in those metro areas to cut down on travel. May even try to figure out how to get school/town resources to make it easier. Wouldnt it be nice if kids could rike a bike of bus or walk out of the school building to train..... would have time to play more pick up too! You could supplement with some regional training centers. Maybe 3 or 4 USSF Funded across the country for summer residential training programs for players...... yu could partner with residential prep schools or colleges for the facilities...... I would concentrate my coaches in these areas. The wealthy suburbs could fend for themselves. That is plenty of players. More eyeballs on these players will be fine. The kids in Westchester/Bergen/Fairfield counties will be fine with Premier clubs and a path to college.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/09/18 08:49 PM

Congrats to 2007 Asphalt Green on winning Brooklyn Italians Columbus Day tourny. They beat Met Oval decisively, goes to show the DAs are not all that!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/09/18 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to 2007 Asphalt Green on winning Brooklyn Italians Columbus Day tourny. They beat Met Oval decisively, goes to show the DAs are not all that!!!


I know a few of the boys on the Met Oval DA team and I didn't see them at the tournament. Are you sure you beat the A or B Met Oval teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/10/18 01:23 AM

Met oval doesn’t have DA for 07.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/10/18 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to 2007 Asphalt Green on winning Brooklyn Italians Columbus Day tourny. They beat Met Oval decisively, goes to show the DAs are not all that!!!


You are so wrong ! 2007 still babies .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/10/18 11:25 AM

Met Oval has 2 2007 DA teams and they played a showcase this weekend at Cedar Stars. Met Oval has 2 2007 NPL teams that played at Brooklyn Italians tourney. Not sure which Met Oval NPL team Asphalt Green played but it was either the C or D team. Either way it was a nice win for Asphalt Green, Good job boys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/10/18 01:33 PM

I recommend Das Reboot: How German Soccer Reinvented Itself and Conquered the World for interesting insights into how Germany revamped its system. The US obviously has different challenges, but the book has some great insight into their planning.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/10/18 01:33 PM

Met Oval is the DA for kids that cant make a real DA club. The parents who must have their kids on a DA but they can’t make it anyplace else go to Met Oval.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/10/18 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
final for Brooklyn Italian tournament (no results yet)


BROOKLYN ITALIANS 2005 NPL BLUE (NYE)

CLARKSTOWN 2005 ELITE (NYE)





BROOKLYN ITALIANS 2005 win 1-0



great.. but wrong thread. This is BDA thread.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/10/18 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to 2007 Asphalt Green on winning Brooklyn Italians Columbus Day tourny. They beat Met Oval decisively, goes to show the DAs are not all that!!!

\
DA teams did not or are allowed to take part in any Tournaments thats not a DA tournament. AG played a travel team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/10/18 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
final for Brooklyn Italian tournament (no results yet)


BROOKLYN ITALIANS 2005 NPL BLUE (NYE)

CLARKSTOWN 2005 ELITE (NYE)





BROOKLYN ITALIANS 2005 win 1-0



great.. but wrong thread. This is BDA thread.


would like to see a friendly vs any DA team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/11/18 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval is the DA for kids that cant make a real DA club. The parents who must have their kids on a DA but they can’t make it anyplace else go to Met Oval.


Idiotic comment. What is a real DA club in the same geographic area? Cosmos does not go to the older ages and it could disappear. Gottschee is a corrupt cesspool with lame coaches who select big kids and play kick and run. Met Oval is the best option locally apart from NYCFC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/11/18 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met oval doesn’t have DA for 07.


You are [****]: http://oval.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7534256

Met Oval has their 25 best 2007s on the DA squad, and Asphalt Green played against none of them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/11/18 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval is the DA for kids that cant make a real DA club. The parents who must have their kids on a DA but they can’t make it anyplace else go to Met Oval.


Idiotic comment. What is a real DA club in the same geographic area? Cosmos does not go to the older ages and it could disappear. Gottschee is a corrupt cesspool with lame coaches who select big kids and play kick and run. Met Oval is the best option locally apart from NYCFC.


Met Oval is a terrible option. They are liars and the training is awful.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/11/18 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval is the DA for kids that cant make a real DA club. The parents who must have their kids on a DA but they can’t make it anyplace else go to Met Oval.


Idiotic comment. What is a real DA club in the same geographic area? Cosmos does not go to the older ages and it could disappear. Gottschee is a corrupt cesspool with lame coaches who select big kids and play kick and run. Met Oval is the best option locally apart from NYCFC.


Met Oval is a terrible option. They are liars and the training is awful.

You must be describing Fillipo.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/11/18 04:06 PM

Sounds like someone isn't getting any playing time!!! Don't cry, maybe BW Gottschee will give you more time? LOL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 12:38 AM

How much does it co$t you for son to play on Met Oval??
Just curious, $5,000, $6000 a year plus travel expenses.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 01:42 AM


US men are so far behind, getting schooled by Columbia. The score doesn’t reflect the dominance by Columbia
We are a far far far way off unfortunately.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 02:02 AM

JEFFREY SAUNDERS vs PAUL MC GLYNN

Your opinion ? Let's GO !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 03:53 AM

U17 DA is free. Just travel expenses. No big deal for the great training you get. If you don’t think the training is good go somewhere else. There are plenty of good players that want your spot.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 11:47 AM

Spoken like a dad who’s been kissing up to Filippo for playing time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I recommend Das Reboot: How German Soccer Reinvented Itself and Conquered the World for interesting insights into how Germany revamped its system. The US obviously has different challenges, but the book has some great insight into their planning.


Thanks. On my list. Ironic however of course the Klinsmann/Low thread and how horribly Germany fared this last WC go round.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 01:52 PM

What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.


Do you believe Pulisic and the other guys are good because they were developed at USSFDA clubs? Why haven't those same trainers produced more players if they are the reason the players are good? Pulisic would have been good if he played High School and a men's league.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 03:22 PM

Don't even speak to him. Just go out, give 150% and they will see!!! Cream always rises to the top.

I guess with all your whining and talking to him he just didn't see it. Good luck at Gotchee
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.


Do you believe Pulisic and the other guys are good because they were developed at USSFDA clubs? Why haven't those same trainers produced more players if they are the reason the players are good? Pulisic would have been good if he played High School and a men's league.


Since neither you nor I can prove your counterfactual, I'm going with yes, they are good because they played in academy system, since that's what they did. As to why they haven't produced more, I'd posit that the expansion to the U14 and under DA, which is only a relatively recent phenomenon (U14 added 2013, U13 split out 2015, and U12 added in 2016), is only now seeing results. Drawing kids into a structured program *early* allows the best to rise and compete and achieve at an earlier age - to the point where they can make the decision to go pro domestically or abroad at the ages of their international peers (16-18). Look at some of the up-and-coming talent - Weah, Sargent, Reyna (ok that may be premature).

DA was created specifically because the old system of playing 100+ games a year was counterproductive to producing the best players. Again, it ain't perfect (specifically needs way more U12 representation) but it's a heck of a lot better than what we had (which was nothing).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 06:36 PM

I think you are right that DA adding lower age groups was worthwhile and DA does a decent job with boys at least up to 15 or 16. The place where we are really falling down is 16+ Pulisic might have developed his talent outside of DA - especially with his parents knowledge, coaching and soccer experience - but there is no way (0%) Pulisic would be anywhere close to where he is or what he is if he didn't leave US and DA for Borussia Dortmund shortly before turning 16.

The opportunities for top 16 and 17 year olds to play on pro clubs in Europe is much more plentiful than in the US. Once again the lack of promotion/relegation and the corresponding fewer incentives and overall fewer number of pro clubs here dooms this essential part of the US soccer "system."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.





Adams and Mckinnie would be lucky to even start on a mid level BPL league
We a far behind. Yesterday showed it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.





Adams and Mckinnie would be lucky to even start on a mid level BPL league
We a far behind. Yesterday showed it



oh please, did anyone complaining actually watch the game? We bent but only broke once in the first half, opened up a lead in second half, then got beat due to the poor play of Robinson and superior play of Colombian sub Juan Quintero (he was a beast for the half hour he was on the field). Yes, Robinson looked horrible and gassed the entire game, but the other guys did fine, against a highly ranked team that includes at least one world class striker, one world class winger and one former world class striker. We did not deserve to win, but our two goals were world class; and with a team missing that is probably its entire starting mid-field, we did fine. If anyone thinks any different, get informed, you are embarrassing yourself.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/12/18 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.


Do you believe Pulisic and the other guys are good because they were developed at USSFDA clubs? Why haven't those same trainers produced more players if they are the reason the players are good? Pulisic would have been good if he played High School and a men's league.


Since neither you nor I can prove your counterfactual, I'm going with yes, they are good because they played in academy system, since that's what they did. As to why they haven't produced more, I'd posit that the expansion to the U14 and under DA, which is only a relatively recent phenomenon (U14 added 2013, U13 split out 2015, and U12 added in 2016), is only now seeing results. Drawing kids into a structured program *early* allows the best to rise and compete and achieve at an earlier age - to the point where they can make the decision to go pro domestically or abroad at the ages of their international peers (16-18). Look at some of the up-and-coming talent - Weah, Sargent, Reyna (ok that may be premature).

DA was created specifically because the old system of playing 100+ games a year was counterproductive to producing the best players. Again, it ain't perfect (specifically needs way more U12 representation) but it's a heck of a lot better than what we had (which was nothing).



So we were good at developing those three but not others because the academy system wasn't as developed? How about you need talent to start. We will always find players. We have a bad system. We can keep doing the same thing for another 10 years with no meaningful change. Like I said, I would concentrate my efforts of coaching in densely populated MSAs. About 8-10 across the country. Plenty of players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/13/18 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.





Adams and Mckinnie would be lucky to even start on a mid level BPL league
We a far behind. Yesterday showed it



oh please, did anyone complaining actually watch the game? We bent but only broke once in the first half, opened up a lead in second half, then got beat due to the poor play of Robinson and superior play of Colombian sub Juan Quintero (he was a beast for the half hour he was on the field). Yes, Robinson looked horrible and gassed the entire game, but the other guys did fine, against a highly ranked team that includes at least one world class striker, one world class winger and one former world class striker. We did not deserve to win, but our two goals were world class; and with a team missing that is probably its entire starting mid-field, we did fine. If anyone thinks any different, get informed, you are embarrassing yourself.





Ha ha. You have no clue. Columbia dominated that game .
Our goals were world class ? Your kidding right. James goal was world class and Burja’s semi bicycle was. Acosta’s goal was actually a late run by him which worked out (watch the play the cross should have come in earlier but it was not struck well ) Woods goal was splitting 2 defenders ( striker is supposed to do that ) his finish was good. Miazga was bad again like the Mexico game where the 17 year old was giving him problems.
Your the one who needs to be informed
Columbia’s World Class Players ? James ? Don’t think so very good yes but remember Madrid is loaning him out for playing time... enough said on that. Also he has never replicated his incredible WC form from 4 yrs ago. Falcao? Bacca ? World class strikers? not sure who you rate as WC striker not them in my opinion . Cuadrado ? World Class winger. Lol
Will agree all good players who walk on the US squad so that should tell you something
The US has a lot of work to do hopefully they get it done for 2022 . Remember we qualify for WC through CONCACAF, it’s not like we are going through UEFA
If you think about it it’s embarassing we can’t get through in this grouping .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/13/18 01:12 PM

I told you ,as soon as klinnsman came and tried to change everything I knew it was a mistake, look at the results, they are self explanatory, no World Cup in a mickeymouse qaulyfying, no big time players, maybe puliicic always injured, much better football country before academy. Teams were a little bit scared to play them, but now a second rate Columbia look like the Harlem globe trotters against them, pleeeeeze, embarrassing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/15/18 03:03 AM

please lets learn how to spell please....its not COLUMBIA.........its COLOMBIA!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/15/18 01:00 PM

Oh so I passed the content test but failed the spelling, I think we all know what's more important, please go back to your dictionary and leave the football alone!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/15/18 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.





Adams and Mckinnie would be lucky to even start on a mid level BPL league
We a far behind. Yesterday showed it

Having Bradley in the USMNT is a mistake, he was never a world class midfielder. He was chosen because of his dad's position. Hey Mcglyn, step aside and let the U.S team evolve with real players. STAY OUT OF IT!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/15/18 01:06 PM

[quote=Anonymous]JEFFREY SAUNDERS vs PAUL MC GLYNN

Saturdaty October 20th 11:30 MET OVAL vs GOTTSCHEE

I will start this. Jeffrey Saunders has accomplished nothing since she has taken over at Met Oval. The U17 "Center of Excellence" team sits in second to LAST place ahead of Seacoast with NO wins. Jeffrey could never hold down a job, has failed at every business she's started (Cinema Capital, 10K Hours, etc.), and has turned Met Oval into a joke. Jeffrey and Met Oval love to take credit for NYCFC players but those players spent little time at Met Oval.

Jeffrey has used his position as "Sporting Director" of Met Oval to get what he wants. She rubs elbows with all the top brass at US Soccer and has annoyed every local MLS club. Jeffrey uses her position to act like important figure in the world of US Soccer and not an unemployed trust fund baby which she is.

Jeffrey's focus at Met Oval has been to make herself feel important and to pave the way for her son. Jeffrey finagled her son onto NYCFC and the Red Bulls but woke up and took a chapter out of the Paul McGlynn book of Soccer Dad's. Jeffrey now has his son at Met Oval playing every minute of every game. The Italian Puppet praises the boy to no end and Jeffrey eats it up. Filippo could't care less about Met Oval or it's players as long as he keeps making those American Dollars. Filippo makes 20 times more in America than he every could in his little pasta eating town. Filippos also gets to coach soccer which is something he would never be able to do in Italia. Filippo's not qualified or good enough. He's nasty to the kids and micro manages every game. He also plays politics to ensure his job and future coaching.

Empty promises of MLS academy and Serie A contracts have Met Oval parents giddy and willing to pay Jeffrey Saunders whatever it takes. It leaves the parents blind to the fact their kids future is being destroyed by bad coaching, bad training, and verbal abuse with an Italian accent. "Center of Humiliation"

From his son's U9 volunteer team manager / team mom handing out cupcake to the kids and arranging play dates after practice to "Sporting Director" at the "Center of Excellence". This soft spoken, metro-sexual, Brooklyn Hipster, unemployed, trust fund baby, is my vote for "2018 Soccer Dad of the Year"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/15/18 02:02 PM

O my god
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/15/18 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]JEFFREY SAUNDERS vs PAUL MC GLYNN

Saturdaty October 20th 11:30 MET OVAL vs GOTTSCHEE

I will start this. Jeffrey Saunders has accomplished nothing since she has taken over at Met Oval. The U17 "Center of Excellence" team sits in second to LAST place ahead of Seacoast with NO wins. Jeffrey could never hold down a job, has failed at every business she's started (Cinema Capital, 10K Hours, etc.), and has turned Met Oval into a joke. Jeffrey and Met Oval love to take credit for NYCFC players but those players spent little time at Met Oval.

Jeffrey has used his position as "Sporting Director" of Met Oval to get what he wants. She rubs elbows with all the top brass at US Soccer and has annoyed every local MLS club. Jeffrey uses her position to act like important figure in the world of US Soccer and not an unemployed trust fund baby which she is.

Jeffrey's focus at Met Oval has been to make herself feel important and to pave the way for her son. Jeffrey finagled her son onto NYCFC and the Red Bulls but woke up and took a chapter out of the Paul McGlynn book of Soccer Dad's. Jeffrey now has his son at Met Oval playing every minute of every game. The Italian Puppet praises the boy to no end and Jeffrey eats it up. Filippo could't care less about Met Oval or it's players as long as he keeps making those American Dollars. Filippo makes 20 times more in America than he every could in his little pasta eating town. Filippos also gets to coach soccer which is something he would never be able to do in Italia. Filippo's not qualified or good enough. He's nasty to the kids and micro manages every game. He also plays politics to ensure his job and future coaching.

Empty promises of MLS academy and Serie A contracts have Met Oval parents giddy and willing to pay Jeffrey Saunders whatever it takes. It leaves the parents blind to the fact their kids future is being destroyed by bad coaching, bad training, and verbal abuse with an Italian accent. "Center of Humiliation"

From his son's U9 volunteer team manager / team mom handing out cupcake to the kids and arranging play dates after practice to "Sporting Director" at the "Center of Excellence". This soft spoken, metro-sexual, Brooklyn Hipster, unemployed, trust fund baby, is my vote for "2018 Soccer Dad of the Year"


Can you please tell All of US how you really feel LMFAO
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/15/18 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.


Do you believe Pulisic and the other guys are good because they were developed at USSFDA clubs? Why haven't those same trainers produced more players if they are the reason the players are good? Pulisic would have been good if he played High School and a men's league.


Since neither you nor I can prove your counterfactual, I'm going with yes, they are good because they played in academy system, since that's what they did. As to why they haven't produced more, I'd posit that the expansion to the U14 and under DA, which is only a relatively recent phenomenon (U14 added 2013, U13 split out 2015, and U12 added in 2016), is only now seeing results. Drawing kids into a structured program *early* allows the best to rise and compete and achieve at an earlier age - to the point where they can make the decision to go pro domestically or abroad at the ages of their international peers (16-18). Look at some of the up-and-coming talent - Weah, Sargent, Reyna (ok that may be premature).

DA was created specifically because the old system of playing 100+ games a year was counterproductive to producing the best players. Again, it ain't perfect (specifically needs way more U12 representation) but it's a heck of a lot better than what we had (which was nothing).



So we were good at developing those three but not others because the academy system wasn't as developed? How about you need talent to start. We will always find players. We have a bad system. We can keep doing the same thing for another 10 years with no meaningful change. Like I said, I would concentrate my efforts of coaching in densely populated MSAs. About 8-10 across the country. Plenty of players.


No, I think you misunderstood the point -- guys like Pulisic and McKennie are taking the option to go to European academies (and subsequently to first teams) and that is benefiting their careers. We need *more* players who are developed enough to be in a position to take that option. But we haven't had the history of drawing numbers into the bottom of the pyramid until recently. Think about it - U12, which currently has 153 clubs, means about 3,672 kids entering the bottom of that pyramid - that's a lot!

I don't think we are disagreeing as much as you think; I am in great agreement we need way more representation in population centers - I specifically commented that we need way more U12 academy representation - because pyramids only work with the widest base possible.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/15/18 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh so I passed the content test but failed the spelling, I think we all know what's more important, please go back to your dictionary and leave the football alone!



Did not object to spelling, but that is usually a threshold for me to take someone seriously and that is a fairly low threshold. smile Regarding content:

The fact that you knew the players I was referring to in my post should tell you something; those players are not on, or were not on, the biggest teams in the world because they suck. If only Messi or Ronaldo fulfill your world class requirements then you will never be pleased. Yes, US was dominated and it was for the most party a lop-sided contest, but they bent and did not break in the first half, and took the lead in the second half. The half time score was not an embarrassing result for a US squad that was missing most likely its starting mid-field. Robinson looked out of sorts, Colombia recognized that and was scorching his side of the field the entire night. Not sure what you expect with respect to world class goals; yes a Rooney-esque type strike from mid-field while the keeper is caught out is world class, but, at least to me, turning a low percentage situation into a goal is too. The cross to Acosta was deflected by the defender, but he was there to make a difficult shot on a volley; it was a thing of beauty; and give me a break about it being a late run, he got there, he beat the defender to the ball when it counted most, and he scored. The pass from Weah and the athleticism of Woods to get there and convert, with two defenders all over him and a keeper in front of him was also a thing of beauty. Despite the onslaught, Steffens played well, it could have been far worse at the half and at full time without his efforts. Maybe I am a half full glass kind of fan. I like the direction with the youth effort on the national team; those players need to be sprinkled throughout Europe playing in the highest level leagues for us to have any chance at the World Cup (yes the cup, not just qualifying or coming out on top in the CONCACAF), until then, we will always play second fiddle to our European and South American cousins.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/15/18 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.


Do you believe Pulisic and the other guys are good because they were developed at USSFDA clubs? Why haven't those same trainers produced more players if they are the reason the players are good? Pulisic would have been good if he played High School and a men's league.


Since neither you nor I can prove your counterfactual, I'm going with yes, they are good because they played in academy system, since that's what they did. As to why they haven't produced more, I'd posit that the expansion to the U14 and under DA, which is only a relatively recent phenomenon (U14 added 2013, U13 split out 2015, and U12 added in 2016), is only now seeing results. Drawing kids into a structured program *early* allows the best to rise and compete and achieve at an earlier age - to the point where they can make the decision to go pro domestically or abroad at the ages of their international peers (16-18). Look at some of the up-and-coming talent - Weah, Sargent, Reyna (ok that may be premature).

DA was created specifically because the old system of playing 100+ games a year was counterproductive to producing the best players. Again, it ain't perfect (specifically needs way more U12 representation) but it's a heck of a lot better than what we had (which was nothing).



So we were good at developing those three but not others because the academy system wasn't as developed? How about you need talent to start. We will always find players. We have a bad system. We can keep doing the same thing for another 10 years with no meaningful change. Like I said, I would concentrate my efforts of coaching in densely populated MSAs. About 8-10 across the country. Plenty of players.


No, I think you misunderstood the point -- guys like Pulisic and McKennie are taking the option to go to European academies (and subsequently to first teams) and that is benefiting their careers. We need *more* players who are developed enough to be in a position to take that option. But we haven't had the history of drawing numbers into the bottom of the pyramid until recently. Think about it - U12, which currently has 153 clubs, means about 3,672 kids entering the bottom of that pyramid - that's a lot!

I don't think we are disagreeing as much as you think; I am in great agreement we need way more representation in population centers - I specifically commented that we need way more U12 academy representation - because pyramids only work with the widest base possible.


You mean like Giuseppe Rossi? U12 and 3,672 kids...... how many kids were playing U12 10 years ago? May actually have been more....... this re-labeled U12 academy is nothing new.... same communities, same clubs, same coaches, same results...... soccer is more popular now and it has been on an upward trend since the 1970s..... we need better coaches, less travel, and access to better athletes. Concentrate the effort on large MSAs, let the MLS clubs take care of their markets and everyone else can rely on Premier academies working off the backs of parents..... if the rich suburban kids want a national program, the family could move to one of the designated markets..... why we are trying to developing rich suburban kids interested in college makes no sense for a pro club and the US national team..... I favor a dual path and I like the college model but its not about me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]JEFFREY SAUNDERS vs PAUL MC GLYNN

Saturdaty October 20th 11:30 MET OVAL vs GOTTSCHEE

I will start this. Jeffrey Saunders has accomplished nothing since she has taken over at Met Oval. The U17 "Center of Excellence" team sits in second to LAST place ahead of Seacoast with NO wins. Jeffrey could never hold down a job, has failed at every business she's started (Cinema Capital, 10K Hours, etc.), and has turned Met Oval into a joke. Jeffrey and Met Oval love to take credit for NYCFC players but those players spent little time at Met Oval.

Jeffrey has used his position as "Sporting Director" of Met Oval to get what he wants. She rubs elbows with all the top brass at US Soccer and has annoyed every local MLS club. Jeffrey uses her position to act like important figure in the world of US Soccer and not an unemployed trust fund baby which she is.

Jeffrey's focus at Met Oval has been to make herself feel important and to pave the way for her son. Jeffrey finagled her son onto NYCFC and the Red Bulls but woke up and took a chapter out of the Paul McGlynn book of Soccer Dad's. Jeffrey now has his son at Met Oval playing every minute of every game. The Italian Puppet praises the boy to no end and Jeffrey eats it up. Filippo could't care less about Met Oval or it's players as long as he keeps making those American Dollars. Filippo makes 20 times more in America than he every could in his little pasta eating town. Filippos also gets to coach soccer which is something he would never be able to do in Italia. Filippo's not qualified or good enough. He's nasty to the kids and micro manages every game. He also plays politics to ensure his job and future coaching.

Empty promises of MLS academy and Serie A contracts have Met Oval parents giddy and willing to pay Jeffrey Saunders whatever it takes. It leaves the parents blind to the fact their kids future is being destroyed by bad coaching, bad training, and verbal abuse with an Italian accent. "Center of Humiliation"

From his son's U9 volunteer team manager / team mom handing out cupcake to the kids and arranging play dates after practice to "Sporting Director" at the "Center of Excellence". This soft spoken, metro-sexual, Brooklyn Hipster, unemployed, trust fund baby, is my vote for "2018 Soccer Dad of the Year"



I guess your daughter didnt make Met Oval ? wink
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What a success the d a is, look how they dominated Colombia last night, pay too play on show, please get somebody in too revamp the system, and get rid of this academy joke, go back to high school, travel ,odp etc, at least we could compete somewhat then.


Yes it is tragic that the 3 ex-DA players who will be the future of the team for years to come, McKinnie, Adams and Pulisic, were all injured in a game against a team that had their WC caliber squad on the field and we looked terrible in comparison. But by all means, burn it down and call it a failure.


Do you believe Pulisic and the other guys are good because they were developed at USSFDA clubs? Why haven't those same trainers produced more players if they are the reason the players are good? Pulisic would have been good if he played High School and a men's league.


Since neither you nor I can prove your counterfactual, I'm going with yes, they are good because they played in academy system, since that's what they did. As to why they haven't produced more, I'd posit that the expansion to the U14 and under DA, which is only a relatively recent phenomenon (U14 added 2013, U13 split out 2015, and U12 added in 2016), is only now seeing results. Drawing kids into a structured program *early* allows the best to rise and compete and achieve at an earlier age - to the point where they can make the decision to go pro domestically or abroad at the ages of their international peers (16-18). Look at some of the up-and-coming talent - Weah, Sargent, Reyna (ok that may be premature).

DA was created specifically because the old system of playing 100+ games a year was counterproductive to producing the best players. Again, it ain't perfect (specifically needs way more U12 representation) but it's a heck of a lot better than what we had (which was nothing).



So we were good at developing those three but not others because the academy system wasn't as developed? How about you need talent to start. We will always find players. We have a bad system. We can keep doing the same thing for another 10 years with no meaningful change. Like I said, I would concentrate my efforts of coaching in densely populated MSAs. About 8-10 across the country. Plenty of players.


No, I think you misunderstood the point -- guys like Pulisic and McKennie are taking the option to go to European academies (and subsequently to first teams) and that is benefiting their careers. We need *more* players who are developed enough to be in a position to take that option. But we haven't had the history of drawing numbers into the bottom of the pyramid until recently. Think about it - U12, which currently has 153 clubs, means about 3,672 kids entering the bottom of that pyramid - that's a lot!

I don't think we are disagreeing as much as you think; I am in great agreement we need way more representation in population centers - I specifically commented that we need way more U12 academy representation - because pyramids only work with the widest base possible.


You mean like Giuseppe Rossi? U12 and 3,672 kids...... how many kids were playing U12 10 years ago? May actually have been more....... this re-labeled U12 academy is nothing new.... same communities, same clubs, same coaches, same results...... soccer is more popular now and it has been on an upward trend since the 1970s..... we need better coaches, less travel, and access to better athletes. Concentrate the effort on large MSAs, let the MLS clubs take care of their markets and everyone else can rely on Premier academies working off the backs of parents..... if the rich suburban kids want a national program, the family could move to one of the designated markets..... why we are trying to developing rich suburban kids interested in college makes no sense for a pro club and the US national team..... I favor a dual path and I like the college model but its not about me.





Rich suburban kids like Tyler Adams (Wappingers Falls NY) and Christian Pulisic (Hershey PA)? wink

The problem with abdicating the system is that we cast those 3,672 kids back into the cesspool of "premier" soccer - the worst pay-to-play there is. Look at the NY metro - a jihad between the two major youth soccer orgs has jumbled soccer to the point where any team trying to compete at the highest levels is likely to travel between LI, CT, NYE and NJ. That isn't good! And eventually we revert to the AAU-style "tournament" teams that existed pre-academy -- playing 100+ games a season but not enough meaningful games. For better or worse, agree or disagree, US Soccer is committed to not going back to that system.

You can have two pathways coexist in DA - there is no expectation that any given U12 academy player will turn into a MNT player. But some will, others will play DI-III, others HS, and other drop out before then. In the meantime, you need the #s, and DA *is* attracting the best (male) players. Should there be more U12 teams? Yes - especially in urban environments. Does there need to be better coaching? Yes - but witness how quickly informed consumers will flee clubs with underinvestment (a certain CT club comes to mind).

Neither of us, with a clean sheet of paper, would come up with the system we have. The limitations of us engineering an Iceland or Germany-style revamp is the lack of funding, and that ain't changing anytime soon.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 02:09 PM

>> Rich suburban kids like Tyler Adams (Wappingers Falls NY) and Christian Pulisic (Hershey PA)? wink

The problem with abdicating the system is that we cast those 3,672 kids back into the cesspool of "premier" soccer - the worst pay-to-play there is. Look at the NY metro - a jihad between the two major youth soccer orgs has jumbled soccer to the point where any team trying to compete at the highest levels is likely to travel between LI, CT, NYE and NJ. That isn't good! And eventually we revert to the AAU-style "tournament" teams that existed pre-academy -- playing 100+ games a season but not enough meaningful games. For better or worse, agree or disagree, US Soccer is committed to not going back to that system.

You can have two pathways coexist in DA - there is no expectation that any given U12 academy player will turn into a MNT player. But some will, others will play DI-III, others HS, and other drop out before then. In the meantime, you need the #s, and DA *is* attracting the best (male) players. Should there be more U12 teams? Yes - especially in urban environments. Does there need to be better coaching? Yes - but witness how quickly informed consumers will flee clubs with underinvestment (a certain CT club comes to mind).

Neither of us, with a clean sheet of paper, would come up with the system we have. The limitations of us engineering an Iceland or Germany-style revamp is the lack of funding, and that ain't changing anytime soon. <<

Tyler Adams and Pulisic.....yes talent and ambition will find away..... even professional basketball...... you would be surprised at the guys that are from upper middle class families..... Klay Thompson and Steph Curry for instance but those are the exceptions.....sort of like Pulisic who was ambitious enough to move abroad with a Euro passport....... Who says go back to the way it was? My point is what we are doing now is not materially different. its the same players from the same communities with the same coaches...... with a USSFDA stamp on it. Kids were going from Premier Clubs > college > MLS for 20 years. given the number of kids in this country, we should be able to produce world class players. I like to use basketball as a model. Some of the best players in the world are from Australia and Canada.....when was the last time one of the top 5 soccer prospects in the world was from the USA? Look at Doncic the rookie at Dallas..... He has been the best teenage basketball player on the planet the last 3 years.....he was a pro at 15. We should be doing better. We have a bad model.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon


Tyler Adams and Pulisic.....yes talent and ambition will find away..... even professional basketball...... you would be surprised at the guys that are from upper middle class families..... Klay Thompson and Steph Curry for instance but those are the exceptions.....sort of like Pulisic who was ambitious enough to move abroad with a Euro passport....... Who says go back to the way it was? My point is what we are doing now is not materially different. its the same players from the same communities with the same coaches...... with a USSFDA stamp on it. Kids were going from Premier Clubs > college > MLS for 20 years. given the number of kids in this country, we should be able to produce world class players. I like to use basketball as a model. Some of the best players in the world are from Australia and Canada.....when was the last time one of the top 5 soccer prospects in the world was from the USA? Look at Doncic the rookie at Dallas..... He has been the best teenage basketball player on the planet the last 3 years.....he was a pro at 15. We should be doing better. We have a bad model.


ok I enjoy the back and forth but let's not move the goalposts.

I think using basketball as an example is a bad analog - it is much more ingrained in US sports culture and has a viable, well established pro pathway through college (and HS and AAU). Additionally 40% of adolescent boys play hoops versus 20% for soccer (source: http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/9469252/hidden-demographics-youth-sports-espn-magazine) giving a #s advantage as well.

Yes, we should produce world class players. I would argue Pulisic will be considered world class after he helps Dortmund to the Bundesliga trophy and gets sold to a superclub. I think there are others that will as well. I do think the DA is materially different than what came before. I do think that clubs are being challenged to improve their facilities, coaches and product. Let's not consider Pulisic some "special" case where he had some "secret" advantage - every article about him describes a normal experience - sure he played some youth soccer over in England - but otherwise he went to practice and played his DA games - it is just his innate drive and ambition coupled with opportunity. And btw, anyone can call Rob Moore or Greg Peterson if they think they are good enough to go pro. They love the fact that there is no solidarity payments for US players - our kids are cheap! Let's check back in in 12 months after Tyler Adams goes to Europe and tears it up. Another kid who showed ambition and drive (2+ hour commute *each way* for RBNY practice!).

My fundamental point was that produce world class players, we can't have a premier>college>MLS pathway. It needs to be premier>DA>pro @ 16. Ideally get over to Europe by 16 if you can snag a passport, but otherwise play in MLS until you can transfer over. We will start seeing that pipeline built materially over the next few years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon


Tyler Adams and Pulisic.....yes talent and ambition will find away..... even professional basketball...... you would be surprised at the guys that are from upper middle class families..... Klay Thompson and Steph Curry for instance but those are the exceptions.....sort of like Pulisic who was ambitious enough to move abroad with a Euro passport....... Who says go back to the way it was? My point is what we are doing now is not materially different. its the same players from the same communities with the same coaches...... with a USSFDA stamp on it. Kids were going from Premier Clubs > college > MLS for 20 years. given the number of kids in this country, we should be able to produce world class players. I like to use basketball as a model. Some of the best players in the world are from Australia and Canada.....when was the last time one of the top 5 soccer prospects in the world was from the USA? Look at Doncic the rookie at Dallas..... He has been the best teenage basketball player on the planet the last 3 years.....he was a pro at 15. We should be doing better. We have a bad model.


ok I enjoy the back and forth but let's not move the goalposts.

I think using basketball as an example is a bad analog - it is much more ingrained in US sports culture and has a viable, well established pro pathway through college (and HS and AAU). Additionally 40% of adolescent boys play hoops versus 20% for soccer (source: http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/9469252/hidden-demographics-youth-sports-espn-magazine) giving a #s advantage as well.

Yes, we should produce world class players. I would argue Pulisic will be considered world class after he helps Dortmund to the Bundesliga trophy and gets sold to a superclub. I think there are others that will as well. I do think the DA is materially different than what came before. I do think that clubs are being challenged to improve their facilities, coaches and product. Let's not consider Pulisic some "special" case where he had some "secret" advantage - every article about him describes a normal experience - sure he played some youth soccer over in England - but otherwise he went to practice and played his DA games - it is just his innate drive and ambition coupled with opportunity. And btw, anyone can call Rob Moore or Greg Peterson if they think they are good enough to go pro. They love the fact that there is no solidarity payments for US players - our kids are cheap! Let's check back in in 12 months after Tyler Adams goes to Europe and tears it up. Another kid who showed ambition and drive (2+ hour commute *each way* for RBNY practice!).

My fundamental point was that produce world class players, we can't have a premier>college>MLS pathway. It needs to be premier>DA>pro @ 16. Ideally get over to Europe by 16 if you can snag a passport, but otherwise play in MLS until you can transfer over. We will start seeing that pipeline built materially over the next few years.






The sport in this country does not have the attraction you think it has.
Also you need less DA Academy’s not more.
You bring up Adams as someone who will tear it up in Europe.
Do you know how many multiple players from other countries are prospects to tear it up also.
And these players aren’t even playing on their National teams. They just have more prospects period.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Falcon]

My fundamental point was that produce world class players, we can't have a premier>college>MLS pathway. It needs to be premier>DA>pro @ 16. Ideally get over to Europe by 16 if you can snag a passport, but otherwise play in MLS until you can transfer over. We will start seeing that pipeline built materially over the next few years.


Starting at 16+ the gap between the US and international players starts to widen, because everywhere else in the world top players have signed professionally by then. We don't allow that here. The few with dual passports get out of here and go abroad, the rest have to wait until they're 18. By then the gap is already widening. Go pro here? MLS training is nowhere near what it else elsewhere. Plenty don't want to risk it for low pay so they take scholarship $ and go to college, a developmental dead end. By 22 or so the gap is even wider.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon


Tyler Adams and Pulisic.....yes talent and ambition will find away..... even professional basketball...... you would be surprised at the guys that are from upper middle class families..... Klay Thompson and Steph Curry for instance but those are the exceptions.....sort of like Pulisic who was ambitious enough to move abroad with a Euro passport....... Who says go back to the way it was? My point is what we are doing now is not materially different. its the same players from the same communities with the same coaches...... with a USSFDA stamp on it. Kids were going from Premier Clubs > college > MLS for 20 years. given the number of kids in this country, we should be able to produce world class players. I like to use basketball as a model. Some of the best players in the world are from Australia and Canada.....when was the last time one of the top 5 soccer prospects in the world was from the USA? Look at Doncic the rookie at Dallas..... He has been the best teenage basketball player on the planet the last 3 years.....he was a pro at 15. We should be doing better. We have a bad model.


ok I enjoy the back and forth but let's not move the goalposts.

I think using basketball as an example is a bad analog - it is much more ingrained in US sports culture and has a viable, well established pro pathway through college (and HS and AAU). Additionally 40% of adolescent boys play hoops versus 20% for soccer (source: http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/9469252/hidden-demographics-youth-sports-espn-magazine) giving a #s advantage as well.

Yes, we should produce world class players. I would argue Pulisic will be considered world class after he helps Dortmund to the Bundesliga trophy and gets sold to a superclub. I think there are others that will as well. I do think the DA is materially different than what came before. I do think that clubs are being challenged to improve their facilities, coaches and product. Let's not consider Pulisic some "special" case where he had some "secret" advantage - every article about him describes a normal experience - sure he played some youth soccer over in England - but otherwise he went to practice and played his DA games - it is just his innate drive and ambition coupled with opportunity. And btw, anyone can call Rob Moore or Greg Peterson if they think they are good enough to go pro. They love the fact that there is no solidarity payments for US players - our kids are cheap! Let's check back in in 12 months after Tyler Adams goes to Europe and tears it up. Another kid who showed ambition and drive (2+ hour commute *each way* for RBNY practice!).

My fundamental point was that produce world class players, we can't have a premier>college>MLS pathway. It needs to be premier>DA>pro @ 16. Ideally get over to Europe by 16 if you can snag a passport, but otherwise play in MLS until you can transfer over. We will start seeing that pipeline built materially over the next few years.


Beside originating in Canada, how is basketball "ingrained in Canada".... the two national sports are actually Hockey and Lacrosse...... why is Australia able to produce world class basketball talent? France is able to produce world class basketball talent as well..... you know why? USA Basketball spent a lot of time training coaches and teaching the game at a grass roots level.... for all the time and money we spend on soccer, we should have better results. Making it more difficult for 11 / 12 year olds is a problem. Rossi was Pulisic before Pulisic and Rossi never played in an academy game...... DA is different with the substitution rule,start requirement and a couple of other things but there is nothing substantially different. Website is nice to track subs and fouls/penalties. Look at Gedion Zalalem..... He made it to Arsenal's first team as a teenager and he did not play at an academy. He was playing Premier actually. I have since lost track of him. 2+ hour commute each way...... how many kids can do that and if the program was so strong he did not have a closer academy? Where did he live Western PA?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 05:40 PM

The Thought Process for DA was to ensure that there is a pyramid where the top players congregate and exist in a competitive environment. The main criticism is that certain barriers keep deserving kids from getting to DA and thus the competitiveness of the DA suffers. Also, the "pyramid" is not well defined as it is unclear what opportunities are below DA ("premiere clubs"? NPL ECNL?) and what opportunities are above it (pro? college?). We can say at least that DA clubs are extremely competitive (notwithstanding stories here about favoritism or nepotism, at my son's club there are new kids trying out every single week) and that DA offers the best jumping off point to most top college spots and pro opportunities (in mens soccer at least).

Of course it aint perfect, as there are pre-requisites to making it into the DA, such as exposure, quality training at u8-11, money for said exposure and training, logistical support for a life devoted to soccer, and of course, in most instances, money for travel, registration etc. There are many kids who are unfairly cordoned off from this path for non-soccer reason, or simply never have the chance to develop.

in my opinion more access to DA will help mitigate some of the issues, there should be more opportunities for free DA in all the major cities in the US. In our own area, it seems silly that there are so few choices in Long Island and NYC.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Thought Process for DA was to ensure that there is a pyramid where the top players congregate and exist in a competitive environment. The main criticism is that certain barriers keep deserving kids from getting to DA and thus the competitiveness of the DA suffers. Also, the "pyramid" is not well defined as it is unclear what opportunities are below DA ("premiere clubs"? NPL ECNL?) and what opportunities are above it (pro? college?). We can say at least that DA clubs are extremely competitive (notwithstanding stories here about favoritism or nepotism, at my son's club there are new kids trying out every single week) and that DA offers the best jumping off point to most top college spots and pro opportunities (in mens soccer at least).

Of course it aint perfect, as there are pre-requisites to making it into the DA, such as exposure, quality training at u8-11, money for said exposure and training, logistical support for a life devoted to soccer, and of course, in most instances, money for travel, registration etc. There are many kids who are unfairly cordoned off from this path for non-soccer reason, or simply never have the chance to develop.

in my opinion more access to DA will help mitigate some of the issues, there should be more opportunities for free DA in all the major cities in the US. In our own area, it seems silly that there are so few choices in Long Island and NYC.


You do realize when the academy concept was launched it was thought the Premier and Super Y League clubs would work with the USSFDA to identify talent. It was thought to be a collaborative effort when everyone had the best interest of the players in mind..... there is no money at USSF to support a national program. I would make MLS clubs responsible for identifying and developing players in their own markets. Let the owners invest the equity....not have their interest carried by parents....... I am beating a dead horse but given the limited resources, USSF should concentrate its efforts on training and coaching in large MSAs that could act as a quasi farm system to supplement the MSA clubs. Everyone else, is on their own. These premier clubs will be fine. If those clubs are doing all the right things, the USSF can slap an endorsement on them....sort of like "Good House Keeping Seal of Approval"...that would help with marketing and attracting paying customers. Right now, they all have the Good House Keeping label.......Yes the DA clubs are better than the rest, just like in the old days you alwasy had top clubs like PDA, Bolts, PA Classics, FC Delco, BWG, FCW etc..... still around....those teams were U11/U12 up to U18 I believe.......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Thought Process for DA was to ensure that there is a pyramid where the top players congregate and exist in a competitive environment. The main criticism is that certain barriers keep deserving kids from getting to DA and thus the competitiveness of the DA suffers. Also, the "pyramid" is not well defined as it is unclear what opportunities are below DA ("premiere clubs"? NPL ECNL?) and what opportunities are above it (pro? college?). We can say at least that DA clubs are extremely competitive (notwithstanding stories here about favoritism or nepotism, at my son's club there are new kids trying out every single week) and that DA offers the best jumping off point to most top college spots and pro opportunities (in mens soccer at least).

Of course it aint perfect, as there are pre-requisites to making it into the DA, such as exposure, quality training at u8-11, money for said exposure and training, logistical support for a life devoted to soccer, and of course, in most instances, money for travel, registration etc. There are many kids who are unfairly cordoned off from this path for non-soccer reason, or simply never have the chance to develop.

in my opinion more access to DA will help mitigate some of the issues, there should be more opportunities for free DA in all the major cities in the US. In our own area, it seems silly that there are so few choices in Long Island and NYC.


You do realize when the academy concept was launched it was thought the Premier and Super Y League clubs would work with the USSFDA to identify talent. It was thought to be a collaborative effort when everyone had the best interest of the players in mind..... there is no money at USSF to support a national program. I would make MLS clubs responsible for identifying and developing players in their own markets. Let the owners invest the equity....not have their interest carried by parents....... I am beating a dead horse but given the limited resources, USSF should concentrate its efforts on training and coaching in large MSAs that could act as a quasi farm system to supplement the MSA clubs. Everyone else, is on their own. These premier clubs will be fine. If those clubs are doing all the right things, the USSF can slap an endorsement on them....sort of like "Good House Keeping Seal of Approval"...that would help with marketing and attracting paying customers. Right now, they all have the Good House Keeping label.......Yes the DA clubs are better than the rest, just like in the old days you alwasy had top clubs like PDA, Bolts, PA Classics, FC Delco, BWG, FCW etc..... still around....those teams were U11/U12 up to U18 I believe.......


USSF has a surplus of about 130 to 140 million dollars. As a non-profit, whose purpose is to grow the game, they could easily use that money to subsidize 25 free DA's across the land, in addition to MLS DAs which are also free, or they could reform u8-11 programs, including creating regional talent centers for standout kids, (which would be less expensive then new DAs) in order to stop the shrinking of the player pool at U12 and ensure quality of play at DA level. Even if they only succeed in creating soccer fans, and not elite players, it would be a success in terms of furthering the soccer culture and increasing the market potential in the US.

They should do something, anything...

https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/18/us-soccer-federation-surplus
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]JEFFREY SAUNDERS vs PAUL MC GLYNN

Saturdaty October 20th 11:30 MET OVAL vs GOTTSCHEE

I will start this. Jeffrey Saunders has accomplished nothing since she has taken over at Met Oval. The U17 "Center of Excellence" team sits in second to LAST place ahead of Seacoast with NO wins. Jeffrey could never hold down a job, has failed at every business she's started (Cinema Capital, 10K Hours, etc.), and has turned Met Oval into a joke. Jeffrey and Met Oval love to take credit for NYCFC players but those players spent little time at Met Oval.

Jeffrey has used his position as "Sporting Director" of Met Oval to get what he wants. She rubs elbows with all the top brass at US Soccer and has annoyed every local MLS club. Jeffrey uses her position to act like important figure in the world of US Soccer and not an unemployed trust fund baby which she is.

Jeffrey's focus at Met Oval has been to make herself feel important and to pave the way for her son. Jeffrey finagled her son onto NYCFC and the Red Bulls but woke up and took a chapter out of the Paul McGlynn book of Soccer Dad's. Jeffrey now has his son at Met Oval playing every minute of every game. The Italian Puppet praises the boy to no end and Jeffrey eats it up. Filippo could't care less about Met Oval or it's players as long as he keeps making those American Dollars. Filippo makes 20 times more in America than he every could in his little pasta eating town. Filippos also gets to coach soccer which is something he would never be able to do in Italia. Filippo's not qualified or good enough. He's nasty to the kids and micro manages every game. He also plays politics to ensure his job and future coaching.

Empty promises of MLS academy and Serie A contracts have Met Oval parents giddy and willing to pay Jeffrey Saunders whatever it takes. It leaves the parents blind to the fact their kids future is being destroyed by bad coaching, bad training, and verbal abuse with an Italian accent. "Center of Humiliation"

From his son's U9 volunteer team manager / team mom handing out cupcake to the kids and arranging play dates after practice to "Sporting Director" at the "Center of Excellence". This soft spoken, metro-sexual, Brooklyn Hipster, unemployed, trust fund baby, is my vote for "2018 Soccer Dad of the Year"


Can you please tell All of US how you really feel LMFAO

Jeffrey, would you like to respond ?
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/16/18 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Thought Process for DA was to ensure that there is a pyramid where the top players congregate and exist in a competitive environment. The main criticism is that certain barriers keep deserving kids from getting to DA and thus the competitiveness of the DA suffers. Also, the "pyramid" is not well defined as it is unclear what opportunities are below DA ("premiere clubs"? NPL ECNL?) and what opportunities are above it (pro? college?). We can say at least that DA clubs are extremely competitive (notwithstanding stories here about favoritism or nepotism, at my son's club there are new kids trying out every single week) and that DA offers the best jumping off point to most top college spots and pro opportunities (in mens soccer at least).

Of course it aint perfect, as there are pre-requisites to making it into the DA, such as exposure, quality training at u8-11, money for said exposure and training, logistical support for a life devoted to soccer, and of course, in most instances, money for travel, registration etc. There are many kids who are unfairly cordoned off from this path for non-soccer reason, or simply never have the chance to develop.

in my opinion more access to DA will help mitigate some of the issues, there should be more opportunities for free DA in all the major cities in the US. In our own area, it seems silly that there are so few choices in Long Island and NYC.


You do realize when the academy concept was launched it was thought the Premier and Super Y League clubs would work with the USSFDA to identify talent. It was thought to be a collaborative effort when everyone had the best interest of the players in mind..... there is no money at USSF to support a national program. I would make MLS clubs responsible for identifying and developing players in their own markets. Let the owners invest the equity....not have their interest carried by parents....... I am beating a dead horse but given the limited resources, USSF should concentrate its efforts on training and coaching in large MSAs that could act as a quasi farm system to supplement the MSA clubs. Everyone else, is on their own. These premier clubs will be fine. If those clubs are doing all the right things, the USSF can slap an endorsement on them....sort of like "Good House Keeping Seal of Approval"...that would help with marketing and attracting paying customers. Right now, they all have the Good House Keeping label.......Yes the DA clubs are better than the rest, just like in the old days you alwasy had top clubs like PDA, Bolts, PA Classics, FC Delco, BWG, FCW etc..... still around....those teams were U11/U12 up to U18 I believe.......


USSF has a surplus of about 130 to 140 million dollars. As a non-profit, whose purpose is to grow the game, they could easily use that money to subsidize 25 free DA's across the land, in addition to MLS DAs which are also free, or they could reform u8-11 programs, including creating regional talent centers for standout kids, (which would be less expensive then new DAs) in order to stop the shrinking of the player pool at U12 and ensure quality of play at DA level. Even if they only succeed in creating soccer fans, and not elite players, it would be a success in terms of furthering the soccer culture and increasing the market potential in the US.

They should do something, anything...

https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/18/us-soccer-federation-surplus


As you can guess, that level of surplus is fairly new. It will be interesting to see how that money is parsed out. The MLS clubs should fend for themselves. Bob Craft doesn't need the help. Should go to youth development in some way. Making it free for kids with one parent a surgeon or an IB guy is unnecessary.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/17/18 12:30 PM

On these first day of work for these children they will not have a soccer ball with them
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/17/18 12:33 PM

There are many things they could do with that cash - subsidize inner city youth programs, subsidize more DA tuition* , start a residency NT program. But they won't. They'll stash that cash. A money guy with no soccer playing experience doesn't get it.

* one option is move to a needs-based tuition system. Wealthier families who can afford tuition pay something to help subsidize the ones who cannot. In theory that's supposed to happen now with scholarships at non MLS clubs but in reality the scholarships are few and far between.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/17/18 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are many things they could do with that cash - subsidize inner city youth programs, subsidize more DA tuition* , start a residency NT program. But they won't. They'll stash that cash. A money guy with no soccer playing experience doesn't get it.

* one option is move to a needs-based tuition system. Wealthier families who can afford tuition pay something to help subsidize the ones who cannot. In theory that's supposed to happen now with scholarships at non MLS clubs but in reality the scholarships are few and far between.


I would look to how USA basketball does it and take some elements from that. Also, Russia took a hockey program from nothing to one of the best in the world by combining things they learned from others and adapting it to fit their culture. Wasn't even a hockey guy that built the program. Give me a smart guy that understands sports / competition / development......I don't care where they come from. They will know enough to hire good trainers. I don't need the CEO to know how to weld. He just needs to know what to look for in a good welder (I know it is a simple analogy). This model has little to do with "developing players".... system more geared for identification if anything. Taking the best of the worst really isn't a good system.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/17/18 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are many things they could do with that cash - subsidize inner city youth programs, subsidize more DA tuition* , start a residency NT program. But they won't. They'll stash that cash. A money guy with no soccer playing experience doesn't get it.

* one option is move to a needs-based tuition system. Wealthier families who can afford tuition pay something to help subsidize the ones who cannot. In theory that's supposed to happen now with scholarships at non MLS clubs but in reality the scholarships are few and far between.


I would look to how USA basketball does it and take some elements from that. Also, Russia took a hockey program from nothing to one of the best in the world by combining things they learned from others and adapting it to fit their culture. Wasn't even a hockey guy that built the program. Give me a smart guy that understands sports / competition / development......I don't care where they come from. They will know enough to hire good trainers. I don't need the CEO to know how to weld. He just needs to know what to look for in a good welder (I know it is a simple analogy). This model has little to do with "developing players".... system more geared for identification if anything. Taking the best of the worst really isn't a good system.

Taking the best from the worst is BWG motto!
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/18/18 07:33 PM

Sometimes it takes a different type of thinking to make the most of a country's culture. We are trying to import a system here:

Individualism and collectivism, true and false

A great virtue of Red Army is that it takes us beyond such simplistic propagandizing. The success that the Soviets enjoyed on the ice was due in large part to the work of Anatoli Tarasov, “the father of the Soviet system,” as Fetisov puts it. In Tarasov’s philosophy we see a much more complex understanding of the relationship between the individual and the collective, the player and the team, than we might otherwise expect.

A war waged within the confines of an ice rink is limited in scale and scope. Hockey, as a proxy and even replacement for actual conflict, in this sense becomes the coldest of cold wars. As Tarasov wrote in a preface to Canadian readers in a 1969 book, the image of sport as warfare would hopefully give way to the reality of sport as a catalyst for peace. “I believe hockey could accomplish much in the way of aiding young people of various countries to know each other better so that they could live in peace and harmony, work and study and, of course, take an interest in sports,” writes Tarasov.

Tarasov was an innovative genius. He looked to things like chess and ballet for inspiration and applied the lessons learned in these other contexts to hockey. Hockey, for Tarasov, was an art, an art that required creativity and flexibility. We see footage of Tarasov, who passed away in 1995, encouraging young players with the challenge, “Where’s the smile? You’re playing hockey!”

“Tarasov, who was an extremely creative man, he saw hockey as this amazingly intricate game of passing the puck,” Pozner says. This emphasis was one of the key distinctions between Soviet and Western, largely Canadian, styles of hockey. Thus, writes Tarasov, “Our school of hockey differs from the Canadian school in that Soviet hockey players pass much more frequently than do the Canadians.” A truism of football, for instance, is that only three things can happen with a forward pass, and two of them are bad. For Tarasov, however, the pass represented a way to keep all of the skaters involved and active. Each pass was an opportunity to probe the defense, to put pressure on the opposition, and to exploit any weaknesses.

Tarasov explained an aspect of this in his 1969 book: “Someone has to mastermind a pass. Among overseas players, this function is usually performed by the man who has the puck. But among Soviet players it is the man without the puck—the man who has taken the best position. This means that among overseas hockey players four men depend on one man, while in Soviet hockey one man depends on four. That is why it is more difficult to play against us, because it is harder to look after four men than it is to look after one man.” The Western style of play was characterized by a far more rigid division of labor, with defined roles for scorers, passers, and defensive players, whereas the Soviet style required flexibility and fluidity.

For Tarasov, the individual player and the collective team were not engaged in a kind of zero-sum scheme, where the person had to be subsumed and erased by the coach’s personality or their circumscribed role. Rather, as Tarasov puts it, “The essence of hockey, in our opinion, would lie in a sensible balance between team work and individual play.” The individual must be able to develop his own unique and personal talents within the context of the team. This was the soul of Soviet hockey under Tarasov. “Such is the logics of life,” wrote Tarasov. “That is why the principles of team work form the groundwork of our history. This is the kind of team work we are for—team work which does not preclude, but on the contrary, provides for the complete and free development of talents.”

Tarasov’s dynamic personality eventually earned him disfavor in the regime, and Leonid Brezhnev removed him from his position. Tarasov was replaced by Viktor Tikhonov, a protégé of the KGB chief who put him in position as head.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/19/18 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are many things they could do with that cash - subsidize inner city youth programs, subsidize more DA tuition* , start a residency NT program. But they won't. They'll stash that cash. A money guy with no soccer playing experience doesn't get it.

* one option is move to a needs-based tuition system. Wealthier families who can afford tuition pay something to help subsidize the ones who cannot. In theory that's supposed to happen now with scholarships at non MLS clubs but in reality the scholarships are few and far between.


I would look to how USA basketball does it and take some elements from that. Also, Russia took a hockey program from nothing to one of the best in the world by combining things they learned from others and adapting it to fit their culture. Wasn't even a hockey guy that built the program. Give me a smart guy that understands sports / competition / development......I don't care where they come from. They will know enough to hire good trainers. I don't need the CEO to know how to weld. He just needs to know what to look for in a good welder (I know it is a simple analogy). This model has little to do with "developing players".... system more geared for identification if anything. Taking the best of the worst really isn't a good system.


Well that rules out the current USSF president - investment banker guy who never played the game. Thats' why we'll continue to spin our wheels and go nowhere
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/19/18 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]JEFFREY SAUNDERS vs PAUL MC GLYNN

Saturdaty October 20th 11:30 MET OVAL vs GOTTSCHEE

I will start this. Jeffrey Saunders has accomplished nothing since she has taken over at Met Oval. The U17 "Center of Excellence" team sits in second to LAST place ahead of Seacoast with NO wins. Jeffrey could never hold down a job, has failed at every business she's started (Cinema Capital, 10K Hours, etc.), and has turned Met Oval into a joke. Jeffrey and Met Oval love to take credit for NYCFC players but those players spent little time at Met Oval.

Jeffrey has used his position as "Sporting Director" of Met Oval to get what he wants. She rubs elbows with all the top brass at US Soccer and has annoyed every local MLS club. Jeffrey uses her position to act like important figure in the world of US Soccer and not an unemployed trust fund baby which she is.

Jeffrey's focus at Met Oval has been to make herself feel important and to pave the way for her son. Jeffrey finagled her son onto NYCFC and the Red Bulls but woke up and took a chapter out of the Paul McGlynn book of Soccer Dad's. Jeffrey now has his son at Met Oval playing every minute of every game. The Italian Puppet praises the boy to no end and Jeffrey eats it up. Filippo could't care less about Met Oval or it's players as long as he keeps making those American Dollars. Filippo makes 20 times more in America than he every could in his little pasta eating town. Filippos also gets to coach soccer which is something he would never be able to do in Italia. Filippo's not qualified or good enough. He's nasty to the kids and micro manages every game. He also plays politics to ensure his job and future coaching.

Empty promises of MLS academy and Serie A contracts have Met Oval parents giddy and willing to pay Jeffrey Saunders whatever it takes. It leaves the parents blind to the fact their kids future is being destroyed by bad coaching, bad training, and verbal abuse with an Italian accent. "Center of Humiliation"

From his son's U9 volunteer team manager / team mom handing out cupcake to the kids and arranging play dates after practice to "Sporting Director" at the "Center of Excellence". This soft spoken, metro-sexual, Brooklyn Hipster, unemployed, trust fund baby, is my vote for "2018 Soccer Dad of the Year"


To prepare Met Oval for the Gottschee game tomorrow all players have been instructed to pass the ball to Jeffrey's son. Filippo has paid special attention to Jeffrey's son all week and moved him to striker. If your at the game listen to Filippo micro manage the team and yell at them to pass the ball to Jeffrey's son. Any player who doesn't pass the ball to Jeffrey's son will be taken out of the game. Filippo will be praying to every Italian Saint tonight for his FIRST win of the season. He will be exposed as a fraud and a fool if he walks away from this game with another loss on his way to a winless season. The only thing that can save Filippo the embarrassment is if he leaves for Italy tonight.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/20/18 12:48 AM

Wadaloadabollocks!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/20/18 02:35 PM

Obviously someone’s upset there kid doesn’t get to play. What about your star midfielders
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/20/18 08:10 PM

I guess fillippo gets to stay. MetOval 3 - Gottschee 1
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/20/18 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]JEFFREY SAUNDERS vs PAUL MC GLYNN

Saturdaty October 20th 11:30 MET OVAL vs GOTTSCHEE

I will start this. Jeffrey Saunders has accomplished nothing since she has taken over at Met Oval. The U17 "Center of Excellence" team sits in second to LAST place ahead of Seacoast with NO wins. Jeffrey could never hold down a job, has failed at every business she's started (Cinema Capital, 10K Hours, etc.), and has turned Met Oval into a joke. Jeffrey and Met Oval love to take credit for NYCFC players but those players spent little time at Met Oval.

Jeffrey has used his position as "Sporting Director" of Met Oval to get what he wants. She rubs elbows with all the top brass at US Soccer and has annoyed every local MLS club. Jeffrey uses her position to act like important figure in the world of US Soccer and not an unemployed trust fund baby which she is.

Jeffrey's focus at Met Oval has been to make herself feel important and to pave the way for her son. Jeffrey finagled her son onto NYCFC and the Red Bulls but woke up and took a chapter out of the Paul McGlynn book of Soccer Dad's. Jeffrey now has his son at Met Oval playing every minute of every game. The Italian Puppet praises the boy to no end and Jeffrey eats it up. Filippo could't care less about Met Oval or it's players as long as he keeps making those American Dollars. Filippo makes 20 times more in America than he every could in his little pasta eating town. Filippos also gets to coach soccer which is something he would never be able to do in Italia. Filippo's not qualified or good enough. He's nasty to the kids and micro manages every game. He also plays politics to ensure his job and future coaching.

Empty promises of MLS academy and Serie A contracts have Met Oval parents giddy and willing to pay Jeffrey Saunders whatever it takes. It leaves the parents blind to the fact their kids future is being destroyed by bad coaching, bad training, and verbal abuse with an Italian accent. "Center of Humiliation"

From his son's U9 volunteer team manager / team mom handing out cupcake to the kids and arranging play dates after practice to "Sporting Director" at the "Center of Excellence". This soft spoken, metro-sexual, Brooklyn Hipster, unemployed, trust fund baby, is my vote for "2018 Soccer Dad of the Year"


How did anyone understand this?
A man is a he or him.
Woman is a she or her.
Reading this I wouldn't know if Jeffrey is a man or woman. Please proofread or take an English class.
Wow.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/20/18 09:54 PM

Who cares. I guess the super mids came through
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/21/18 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]JEFFREY SAUNDERS vs PAUL MC GLYNN

Saturdaty October 20th 11:30 MET OVAL vs GOTTSCHEE

I will start this. Jeffrey Saunders has accomplished nothing since she has taken over at Met Oval. The U17 "Center of Excellence" team sits in second to LAST place ahead of Seacoast with NO wins. Jeffrey could never hold down a job, has failed at every business she's started (Cinema Capital, 10K Hours, etc.), and has turned Met Oval into a joke. Jeffrey and Met Oval love to take credit for NYCFC players but those players spent little time at Met Oval.

Jeffrey has used his position as "Sporting Director" of Met Oval to get what he wants. She rubs elbows with all the top brass at US Soccer and has annoyed every local MLS club. Jeffrey uses her position to act like important figure in the world of US Soccer and not an unemployed trust fund baby which she is.

Jeffrey's focus at Met Oval has been to make herself feel important and to pave the way for her son. Jeffrey finagled her son onto NYCFC and the Red Bulls but woke up and took a chapter out of the Paul McGlynn book of Soccer Dad's. Jeffrey now has his son at Met Oval playing every minute of every game. The Italian Puppet praises the boy to no end and Jeffrey eats it up. Filippo could't care less about Met Oval or it's players as long as he keeps making those American Dollars. Filippo makes 20 times more in America than he every could in his little pasta eating town. Filippos also gets to coach soccer which is something he would never be able to do in Italia. Filippo's not qualified or good enough. He's nasty to the kids and micro manages every game. He also plays politics to ensure his job and future coaching.

Empty promises of MLS academy and Serie A contracts have Met Oval parents giddy and willing to pay Jeffrey Saunders whatever it takes. It leaves the parents blind to the fact their kids future is being destroyed by bad coaching, bad training, and verbal abuse with an Italian accent. "Center of Humiliation"

From his son's U9 volunteer team manager / team mom handing out cupcake to the kids and arranging play dates after practice to "Sporting Director" at the "Center of Excellence". This soft spoken, metro-sexual, Brooklyn Hipster, unemployed, trust fund baby, is my vote for "2018 Soccer Dad of the Year"


How did anyone understand this?
A man is a he or him.
Woman is a she or her.
Reading this I wouldn't know if Jeffrey is a man or woman. Please proofread or take an English class.
Wow.

You are an idiot. Jeffrey Saunders is referred to as “her” and “she” because of what she is. A little bitch with no balls who would **** a **** if it would help her sons soccer career . Jeffrey isn’t a man. This has nothing to do with Jeffrey’s sexual prefernce or the fact that she doesn’t identify as a man or woman. Although she is a *****
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/21/18 04:52 PM

Metoval = NYCF reserve teams
Sometimes you have to have some pride even if you loose. You can't just be the second team of another team, or the depository of all the rejects players that they are there just waiting to comeback to NYCFC. That strategy can't last for a long time and it is not a good philosophy ....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 03:36 AM

MetOval 05 - Gottschee 05 3-1
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 12:15 PM

03 Gottschee 3 Metoval 0 ( metoval full of NYCF players “on loan “ LOL )
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 12:30 PM

"little pasta eating town" my god what a racist comment!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
MetOval 05 - Gottschee 05 3-1


BWG with the long balls kick and run aren't going anywhere .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 02:51 PM

Gottschee didn’t start yesterday, and doesn’t change their style of play every year depending on their new academy director, like metoval ...if you have been around for a while you know how this are waves tha come and go
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
03 Gottschee 3 Metoval 0 ( metoval full of NYCF players “on loan “ LOL )


There is no 03 only DA team. 03s are part of teams that includes, primarily, 02 players for these two clubs.

Also, score at USSDA website for this game is 3-0 Met Oval win; did I misconstrue scoreline above? Or was there some other non-DA game that scoreline refers to?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gottschee didn’t start yesterday, and doesn’t change their style of play every year depending on their new academy director, like metoval ...if you have been around for a while you know how this are waves tha come and go

Wtf are you on about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 04:06 PM

I find it funny how Gottschee allows their players to play on different clubs? Is this allowed or does Gottschee not care ??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"little pasta eating town" my god what a racist comment!



Do you understand what "racism" is? I believe what you are attempting to refer to isn't "race" it's ethnicity.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find it funny how Gottschee allows their players to play on different clubs? Is this allowed or does Gottschee not care ??

? explain.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 05:17 PM

Met Oval 02 DA team beat Gottschee 02 DA team 3-1. Gottschee 03 Pre Academy team beat Met Oval 03 Pre Academy team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 06:33 PM

03’s play with most academy teams except MLS teams that dont’t have that age group and combine 02 and 03, leaving out most of 03 out of the roster and waiting for next year. But they are basically the same players that next year will play academy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval 02 DA team beat Gottschee 02 DA team 3-1. Gottschee 03 Pre Academy team beat Met Oval 03 Pre Academy team.


Thank you. Are they part of a separate league, or just planned games with other pre-academy teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 07:20 PM

The boys that are in question are playing with NY Club and LIJ
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 09:36 PM

There’s nobody at met oval that belongs at nycfc. No matter what daddy says
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 09:48 PM

2003 US Youth Soccer National League EDP Conferences (Club vs Club) U16 Atlantic Development League (North & South)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/22/18 09:58 PM

Farca had a big meeting last night. I went with my friend who’s son plays for them, as he is trying to get my youngest over there. They will never be DA, especially if any video gets out about what one of their technical directors had to say. I was astonished that they would make such statements in public. All you Barca fools keep paying cause your son/daughter will wind up at La Masia, in an alternate universe.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/23/18 01:22 AM

What statements?
Please explain, no one will know who you are.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/23/18 01:21 PM

For some of parents and players metoval is just a stepping stone to get or come back at NYCFC ...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/23/18 04:53 PM

U mean for the parents that will lobby the coaches for a spot
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/23/18 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
For some of parents and players metoval is just a stepping stone to get or come back at NYCFC ...

LOL ! Met Oval U17's are one of the worst teams in the league and NYCFC aren't far behind. So basically a stepping stone or call back to a crap team just so you can tell all your friends and family your son plays "academy" for NYCFC. What a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/24/18 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Farca had a big meeting last night. I went with my friend who’s son plays for them, as he is trying to get my youngest over there. They will never be DA, especially if any video gets out about what one of their technical directors had to say. I was astonished that they would make such statements in public. All you Barca fools keep paying cause your son/daughter will wind up at La Masia, in an alternate universe.


Here is some real talk for you all about these European dreams. Check the FIFA international transfer rules which are easily available on line and tell me how anybody without a Spanish passport or parents who have a great job offer in Spain can play in Barcelona before age 18?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/24/18 01:44 PM

Please, the vast majority of parents don't buy into that crap. They know their kid isn't going to be a pro player. They're just looking for a good place for their kids to play. Youth soccer is a cesspool.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/24/18 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please, the vast majority of parents don't buy into that crap. They know their kid isn't going to be a pro player. They're just looking for a good place for their kids to play. Youth soccer is a cesspool.


The way some parents act I think you may be mistaken . How can you explain kids driving an hour or more to play at Barca ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/24/18 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please, the vast majority of parents don't buy into that crap. They know their kid isn't going to be a pro player. They're just looking for a good place for their kids to play. Youth soccer is a cesspool.


The way some parents act I think you may be mistaken . How can you explain kids driving an hour or more to play at Barca ?


Because we have DA status next year guarantee from coach
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/24/18 06:47 PM

They’ve been saying that for years. Smell the coffee
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/24/18 06:49 PM

another loss for nycfc 04.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/24/18 11:55 PM

Watching NBA basketball. Two games on tonight.....Dallas, Atlanta, Philly and Milwaukee. The best player on 3 of the 4 teams are from Slovenia, Cameroon and Greece. Another superstar is from Australia.....when will we produce an American that will be the best player on his EPL team ( other than goalie)...... we need a different approach....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
They’ve been saying that for years. Smell the coffee


Barca has been around 18 months. USSF are whores so they'll willingly add another club, especially one with a pro affiliation. They have 3 GDA clubs on LI when it's clear the market is nowhere near sufficient for it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Watching NBA basketball. Two games on tonight.....Dallas, Atlanta, Philly and Milwaukee. The best player on 3 of the 4 teams are from Slovenia, Cameroon and Greece. Another superstar is from Australia.....when will we produce an American that will be the best player on his EPL team ( other than goalie)...... we need a different approach....


Can you help me understand your point? The EPL is 32% English players. It's a valuable league *because* it attracts the top international players. The MLS, by contrast, is 52% domestic and arguably needs to be more international *because* there aren't enough good US players. However, MLS clubs need to be incentivized to spend on domestic academies as much as they are spending on internationals through TAM (personally I think TAM $$ should come with academy strings attached, e.g. some ratio of spending).

Also, as I've said before, the NBA is a horrible analogue. Only 65 players on opening day 2018-19 NBA rosters were international players who did not play for a US college (13.2%). That's down 8 players from last year. The overwhelming pipeline of NBA players is Division 1 colleges (83.4% of NBA players in 2018-19), as there is plenty of domestic talent (or international talent who want to grow before playing in the NBA). The NBA will always attract the best of the best, as the average salary ($6.4mm) is tops in the world - double the average for the EPL (and 5x Bundesliga!). If we follow your observation we would create what, a US college pipeline for global soccer?!?

(NB, the NBA will say there are 108 international players, but that includes the aforementioned D1 players. I have a hard time knowing if you seriously consider Kyrie Irving Australian in anything other than birth and would think it's crazy to count him among "international" players, although the NBA does for PR reasons. Giannis Antetokounmpo is 100% international having not played a minute of US high school or college ball.)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
another loss for nycfc 04.

so what?
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Watching NBA basketball. Two games on tonight.....Dallas, Atlanta, Philly and Milwaukee. The best player on 3 of the 4 teams are from Slovenia, Cameroon and Greece. Another superstar is from Australia.....when will we produce an American that will be the best player on his EPL team ( other than goalie)...... we need a different approach....


Can you help me understand your point? The EPL is 32% English players. It's a valuable league *because* it attracts the top international players. The MLS, by contrast, is 52% domestic and arguably needs to be more international *because* there aren't enough good US players. However, MLS clubs need to be incentivized to spend on domestic academies as much as they are spending on internationals through TAM (personally I think TAM $$ should come with academy strings attached, e.g. some ratio of spending).

Also, as I've said before, the NBA is a horrible analogue. Only 65 players on opening day 2018-19 NBA rosters were international players who did not play for a US college (13.2%). That's down 8 players from last year. The overwhelming pipeline of NBA players is Division 1 colleges (83.4% of NBA players in 2018-19), as there is plenty of domestic talent (or international talent who want to grow before playing in the NBA). The NBA will always attract the best of the best, as the average salary ($6.4mm) is tops in the world - double the average for the EPL (and 5x Bundesliga!). If we follow your observation we would create what, a US college pipeline for global soccer?!?

(NB, the NBA will say there are 108 international players, but that includes the aforementioned D1 players. I have a hard time knowing if you seriously consider Kyrie Irving Australian in anything other than birth and would think it's crazy to count him among "international" players, although the NBA does for PR reasons. Giannis Antetokounmpo is 100% international having not played a minute of US high school or college ball.)


I don't consider Kyrie Irving Australian as I used to watch him play HS games in NJ. Ben Simmons is Australian though he came here for two years of high school and one year of college..... Also, many Canadians come here for college and then move on to the NBA. You think they didn't get good until they got to college? I am not looking for many US players to be elite. Just one. When Pulisic is the best player in the German, EPL, Italian or Spanish league I will say we finally got one. Again, Rossi was Pulisic years ago.... The two best players in the 2018 NBA draft were raised abroad Deandre Ayton and Luka Doncic....... we should be further along in this country given the time and money spent on the sport.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Watching NBA basketball. Two games on tonight.....Dallas, Atlanta, Philly and Milwaukee. The best player on 3 of the 4 teams are from Slovenia, Cameroon and Greece. Another superstar is from Australia.....when will we produce an American that will be the best player on his EPL team ( other than goalie)...... we need a different approach....


Can you help me understand your point? The EPL is 32% English players. It's a valuable league *because* it attracts the top international players. The MLS, by contrast, is 52% domestic and arguably needs to be more international *because* there aren't enough good US players. However, MLS clubs need to be incentivized to spend on domestic academies as much as they are spending on internationals through TAM (personally I think TAM $$ should come with academy strings attached, e.g. some ratio of spending).

Also, as I've said before, the NBA is a horrible analogue. Only 65 players on opening day 2018-19 NBA rosters were international players who did not play for a US college (13.2%). That's down 8 players from last year. The overwhelming pipeline of NBA players is Division 1 colleges (83.4% of NBA players in 2018-19), as there is plenty of domestic talent (or international talent who want to grow before playing in the NBA). The NBA will always attract the best of the best, as the average salary ($6.4mm) is tops in the world - double the average for the EPL (and 5x Bundesliga!). If we follow your observation we would create what, a US college pipeline for global soccer?!?

(NB, the NBA will say there are 108 international players, but that includes the aforementioned D1 players. I have a hard time knowing if you seriously consider Kyrie Irving Australian in anything other than birth and would think it's crazy to count him among "international" players, although the NBA does for PR reasons. Giannis Antetokounmpo is 100% international having not played a minute of US high school or college ball.)


Another point of reference in making the comparison, and this is not scientific by any means. There have been players who played in the NBA that didn't even pick up the game until high school. I haven't heard of anything close to that when it comes to EPL, La Liga or any top league players. One can make an NBA team simply by being athletic and over 7 feet tall. Hey, at least they can take up space in the paint. grab a few rebounds and block 2-3 shots a game while playing maybe 20 minutes and committing 3-5 fouls in that time span. They cycle in and out of games. You won't find anything comparable in soccer. Apples and oranges comparison, seems to me.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 02:47 PM

Dante Exum and Paddy Mills are also Australian....... As was Andrew Bogut and there are others..... by your logic, the fact that Pulisic has received some training overseas results in him not being 100% American developed........
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 03:45 PM

>> Another point of reference in making the comparison, and this is not scientific by any means. There have been players who played in the NBA that didn't even pick up the game until high school. I haven't heard of anything close to that when it comes to EPL, La Liga or any top league players. One can make an NBA team simply by being athletic and over 7 feet tall. Hey, at least they can take up space in the paint. grab a few rebounds and block 2-3 shots a game while playing maybe 20 minutes and committing 3-5 fouls in that time span. They cycle in and out of games. You won't find anything comparable in soccer. Apples and oranges comparison, seems to me.<<

The sports are not exactly the same so I would not expect the same results.....I am just looking for one American player that would be considered one of the top 17/18 year old prospects in the world. Not even every year. Once every 7-8 years should not be too much to ask from a country with 350 million people?......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find it funny how Gottschee allows their players to play on different clubs? Is this allowed or does Gottschee not care ??

are you talking about DA teams ? because you cant do it . which age group?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
>> Another point of reference in making the comparison, and this is not scientific by any means. There have been players who played in the NBA that didn't even pick up the game until high school. I haven't heard of anything close to that when it comes to EPL, La Liga or any top league players. One can make an NBA team simply by being athletic and over 7 feet tall. Hey, at least they can take up space in the paint. grab a few rebounds and block 2-3 shots a game while playing maybe 20 minutes and committing 3-5 fouls in that time span. They cycle in and out of games. You won't find anything comparable in soccer. Apples and oranges comparison, seems to me.<<

The sports are not exactly the same so I would not expect the same results.....I am just looking for one American player that would be considered one of the top 17/18 year old prospects in the world. Not even every year. Once every 7-8 years should not be too much to ask from a country with 350 million people?......



The system is not working, despite DA claims otherwise.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
>> Another point of reference in making the comparison, and this is not scientific by any means. There have been players who played in the NBA that didn't even pick up the game until high school. I haven't heard of anything close to that when it comes to EPL, La Liga or any top league players. One can make an NBA team simply by being athletic and over 7 feet tall. Hey, at least they can take up space in the paint. grab a few rebounds and block 2-3 shots a game while playing maybe 20 minutes and committing 3-5 fouls in that time span. They cycle in and out of games. You won't find anything comparable in soccer. Apples and oranges comparison, seems to me.<<

The sports are not exactly the same so I would not expect the same results.....I am just looking for one American player that would be considered one of the top 17/18 year old prospects in the world. Not even every year. Once every 7-8 years should not be too much to ask from a country with 350 million people?......



The system is not working, despite DA claims otherwise.


It really isn't. It is really hard given the time, money and number of kids that start out playing soccer to NOT find world class players.... We are doing something wrong and it starts with coaching and were we are looking for players. Look at the resources at our disposal versus other countries. ..drive by all the fields in your town...... its ridiculous.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
>> Another point of reference in making the comparison, and this is not scientific by any means. There have been players who played in the NBA that didn't even pick up the game until high school. I haven't heard of anything close to that when it comes to EPL, La Liga or any top league players. One can make an NBA team simply by being athletic and over 7 feet tall. Hey, at least they can take up space in the paint. grab a few rebounds and block 2-3 shots a game while playing maybe 20 minutes and committing 3-5 fouls in that time span. They cycle in and out of games. You won't find anything comparable in soccer. Apples and oranges comparison, seems to me.<<

The sports are not exactly the same so I would not expect the same results.....I am just looking for one American player that would be considered one of the top 17/18 year old prospects in the world. Not even every year. Once every 7-8 years should not be too much to ask from a country with 350 million people?......



The system is not working, despite DA claims otherwise.


It really isn't. It is really hard given the time, money and number of kids that start out playing soccer to NOT find world class players.... We are doing something wrong and it starts with coaching and were we are looking for players. Look at the resources at our disposal versus other countries. ..drive by all the fields in your town...... its ridiculous.


This is all very romantic but as I have said many many many many times on here the almighty $ drives everything.

In the rest of the footballing world clubs are rewarded for producing world class players. The US refuses to play in the global market and it is by far the No 1 reason we suck so bad. MLS and US Soccer together have crapped it up for everyone under some misguided idea that soccer in the US can be managed in the same way as other US sports. It can't be. Soccer is global like no other major sport in the US.

Go back and re-read the NY Times story about Ajax from June 2010. No change at all in the situation described, both there and here. One telling quote: "No one pretends that its business is other than what it is. 'We sold Wesley Sneijder for a ridiculous amount of money,; Versloot said. 'We can go on for years based on what he was sold for.'”

Who got money for developing Pulisic? Nobobdy. What motivation is there to develop another Pulisic? None. At the elite level this is a business, full stop. Until it's run like one no consistent success for players from the USA! USA!! USA!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 09:00 PM

I thought they we’re suppose to be the best
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
>> Another point of reference in making the comparison, and this is not scientific by any means. There have been players who played in the NBA that didn't even pick up the game until high school. I haven't heard of anything close to that when it comes to EPL, La Liga or any top league players. One can make an NBA team simply by being athletic and over 7 feet tall. Hey, at least they can take up space in the paint. grab a few rebounds and block 2-3 shots a game while playing maybe 20 minutes and committing 3-5 fouls in that time span. They cycle in and out of games. You won't find anything comparable in soccer. Apples and oranges comparison, seems to me.<<

The sports are not exactly the same so I would not expect the same results.....I am just looking for one American player that would be considered one of the top 17/18 year old prospects in the world. Not even every year. Once every 7-8 years should not be too much to ask from a country with 350 million people?......



The system is not working, despite DA claims otherwise.


It really isn't. It is really hard given the time, money and number of kids that start out playing soccer to NOT find world class players.... We are doing something wrong and it starts with coaching and were we are looking for players. Look at the resources at our disposal versus other countries. ..drive by all the fields in your town...... its ridiculous.


This is all very romantic but as I have said many many many many times on here the almighty $ drives everything.

In the rest of the footballing world clubs are rewarded for producing world class players. The US refuses to play in the global market and it is by far the No 1 reason we suck so bad. MLS and US Soccer together have crapped it up for everyone under some misguided idea that soccer in the US can be managed in the same way as other US sports. It can't be. Soccer is global like no other major sport in the US.

Go back and re-read the NY Times story about Ajax from June 2010. No change at all in the situation described, both there and here. One telling quote: "No one pretends that its business is other than what it is. 'We sold Wesley Sneijder for a ridiculous amount of money,; Versloot said. 'We can go on for years based on what he was sold for.'”

Who got money for developing Pulisic? Nobobdy. What motivation is there to develop another Pulisic? None. At the elite level this is a business, full stop. Until it's run like one no consistent success for players from the USA! USA!! USA!!!


Agreed. $ talks. Ajax has its top A license coaches, most of whom were former pro's, coaching at the youngest ages. They have a state of the art facility that has all sorts of equipment that begins to monitor kids at like 7-8 yrs old. Kids don't keep up they're turned over the next year, even at the youngest ages. They have scouts spread out within 100 miles of Amsterdam observing youth clubs for candidates. All of that costs a whole lot. But the rewards are tremendous. In our country I could see folks investing in clubs for the chance of a return. Hedge fund types even. With more $ come better coaches and facilities. It's not rocket science. You get just so much by playing pickup 24/7. You need coaching, conditioning, soccer iq, nutrition, all sorts of things to make you elite in this sport. Tactics are so so important as compared to other sports like basketball. Those have to be explained, ingrained and trained by world class coaches. High caliber coaches. Those coaches won't do it for cheap. The foreign coaches that are here are here usually because they can't cut it at a reasonable wage where they come from. Here silly parents pay for accents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/25/18 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find it funny how Gottschee allows their players to play on different clubs? Is this allowed or does Gottschee not care ??

are you talking about DA teams ? because you cant do it . which age group?

Gottschee is not the only BDA to allow DA players to play for non-DA teams; others have as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/26/18 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
>> Another point of reference in making the comparison, and this is not scientific by any means. There have been players who played in the NBA that didn't even pick up the game until high school. I haven't heard of anything close to that when it comes to EPL, La Liga or any top league players. One can make an NBA team simply by being athletic and over 7 feet tall. Hey, at least they can take up space in the paint. grab a few rebounds and block 2-3 shots a game while playing maybe 20 minutes and committing 3-5 fouls in that time span. They cycle in and out of games. You won't find anything comparable in soccer. Apples and oranges comparison, seems to me.<<

The sports are not exactly the same so I would not expect the same results.....I am just looking for one American player that would be considered one of the top 17/18 year old prospects in the world. Not even every year. Once every 7-8 years should not be too much to ask from a country with 350 million people?......



The system is not working, despite DA claims otherwise.


It really isn't. It is really hard given the time, money and number of kids that start out playing soccer to NOT find world class players.... We are doing something wrong and it starts with coaching and were we are looking for players. Look at the resources at our disposal versus other countries. ..drive by all the fields in your town...... its ridiculous.


This is all very romantic but as I have said many many many many times on here the almighty $ drives everything.

In the rest of the footballing world clubs are rewarded for producing world class players. The US refuses to play in the global market and it is by far the No 1 reason we suck so bad. MLS and US Soccer together have crapped it up for everyone under some misguided idea that soccer in the US can be managed in the same way as other US sports. It can't be. Soccer is global like no other major sport in the US.

Go back and re-read the NY Times story about Ajax from June 2010. No change at all in the situation described, both there and here. One telling quote: "No one pretends that its business is other than what it is. 'We sold Wesley Sneijder for a ridiculous amount of money,; Versloot said. 'We can go on for years based on what he was sold for.'”

Who got money for developing Pulisic? Nobobdy. What motivation is there to develop another Pulisic? None. At the elite level this is a business, full stop. Until it's run like one no consistent success for players from the USA! USA!! USA!!!


Agreed. $ talks. Ajax has its top A license coaches, most of whom were former pro's, coaching at the youngest ages. They have a state of the art facility that has all sorts of equipment that begins to monitor kids at like 7-8 yrs old. Kids don't keep up they're turned over the next year, even at the youngest ages. They have scouts spread out within 100 miles of Amsterdam observing youth clubs for candidates. All of that costs a whole lot. But the rewards are tremendous. In our country I could see folks investing in clubs for the chance of a return. Hedge fund types even. With more $ come better coaches and facilities. It's not rocket science. You get just so much by playing pickup 24/7. You need coaching, conditioning, soccer iq, nutrition, all sorts of things to make you elite in this sport. Tactics are so so important as compared to other sports like basketball. Those have to be explained, ingrained and trained by world class coaches. High caliber coaches. Those coaches won't do it for cheap. The foreign coaches that are here are here usually because they can't cut it at a reasonable wage where they come from. Here silly parents pay for accents.


Yes, it really isn't difficult. We have a business model here for soccer, it's just that the model is peddle BS to as many people as will pay you. It is not a professional system designed to develop players because there's almost no return on the investment. Even at the MLS academies, guess where 99% of the kids are going? Not to play pro but to college, alongside a boatload of kids from the pay to play DA's. The only advantage is that as long as a kid was at an MLS academy his parents didn't pay (which is nothing to sneeze at, but still...).

I will offer another quote from the Times article on Ajax from 8 years ago:

Fulham, like Ajax, is often a seller of talent. It recently sold a 20-year-old to Manchester United for seven million pounds, or more than $10 million. “It’s a little ugly talking about the financial terms,” Jennings said. “I don’t like to do it. It feels not too far off from the slave trade.”

That is the reality of developing "world class players." It is an ugly business where kids are effectively bought and sold. That is apparently something the US doesn't want to deal with, and maybe that's for some very good reasons.

It's totally fine if the US wants to do it differently and not play in this global market. But I think after 22 years of MLS whatever we're doing here isn't making us competitive with the tops in the world (or even teams in bloody CONCACAF!).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/26/18 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find it funny how Gottschee allows their players to play on different clubs? Is this allowed or does Gottschee not care ??

are you talking about DA teams ? because you cant do it . which age group?

Gottschee is not the only BDA to allow DA players to play for non-DA teams; others have as well.

what is wrong to play for non DA teams ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/26/18 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find it funny how Gottschee allows their players to play on different clubs? Is this allowed or does Gottschee not care ??

are you talking about DA teams ? because you cant do it . which age group?

Gottschee is not the only BDA to allow DA players to play for non-DA teams; others have as well.

what is wrong to play for non DA teams ?


I though that DA players are not permitted to play on other teams at all ??? I would report these players to the appropriate team and then see what what happens. DA players are afraid to play on other teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/26/18 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


I though that DA players are not permitted to play on other teams at all ??? I would report these players to the appropriate team and then see what what happens. DA players are afraid to play on other teams


They're not but that doesn't always stop some from trying. The degree to which USSF or your team cares varies and punishments will be handed out accordingly. Same applies to the high school issue which some players and clubs try to cheat on. I don't what is so hard for people to understand that you've signed a contract with rules attached to it. Playing DA isn't a right. Most of the rule breakers are replaceable - they just think they're special. They should be tossed for players who will follow the rules. r
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/27/18 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I find it funny how Gottschee allows their players to play on different clubs? Is this allowed or does Gottschee not care ??

are you talking about DA teams ? because you cant do it . which age group?

Gottschee is not the only BDA to allow DA players to play for non-DA teams; others have as well.

what is wrong to play for non DA teams ?


Hello....it's against DA rules.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/28/18 01:58 PM

As somebody who has lived in Europe and had a kid play for a local village club the issue in the USA is absolutely pay to play. In Europe everybody plays because it costs next to nothing and anybody good gets spotted by a local pro club at some point. The coaches at local town and village clubs are not always good. They are volunteers. Kids don’t train as much as American kids but play more pick up games and soccer is in the culture. They also don’t take things too seriously before u13 or u15.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/28/18 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As somebody who has lived in Europe and had a kid play for a local village club the issue in the USA is absolutely pay to play. In Europe everybody plays because it costs next to nothing and anybody good gets spotted by a local pro club at some point. The coaches at local town and village clubs are not always good. They are volunteers. Kids don’t train as much as American kids but play more pick up games and soccer is in the culture. They also don’t take things too seriously before u13 or u15.


Interesting insight but it doesn't have much relevance to here. We're not going to change the basic culture in the US to be more like that. Have to work with the US culture.

Said this before on here too: "pay to play" is a misnomer. Unless kids are playing pickup on their own or with volunteer coaches it is ALWAYS pay to play--only who is paying is the question. That is true in every country. If you have paid coaches, fields, lights to light the fields etc. SOMEONE has to pay for that. Here, parents foot a lot of the bill. At a free MLS academy it's only free in that parents don't have to pay, but it's not free for the club. The MLS owners have to pay for those kids to play.

So when it isn't free (which it isn't anywhere in the world) then what's the ROI if you make it free for parents? In the rest of the world you have a much much much much better chance to recoup the investment you make in developing young players because the rest of the world takes part in a global transfer market that honors FIFA's rules about transfer fees and training compensation. The US doesn't take part and flouts the FIFA rules.

Take 2 recent examples from MLS: Alex Mendez and Uly Llanez both played for LA Galaxy academy. Both are US U20 internationals. LA Galaxy spent thousands on these kids, paying for their years in the academy. Both signed for clubs in Germany instead of MLS contracts. LA Galaxy, because USSF and MLS refuse to honor training compensation rules, get exactly zero $ from these contracts to offset the money spent on developing these players. They will also get no cut of the transfer fee if these guys are sold.

This HAS to be fixed. Make it worth clubs' while to not have to charge parents and more will do it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/28/18 04:23 PM

DA in NY/NJ//CT has too many clubs that have been hijacked for personal agendas. The DA used to publish a report that ranked clubs by their commitment to meeting (and exceeding) requirements. It's too bad they've discontinued the practice but I'd imagine it's not done anymore because it would expose too many deficiencies. I can name at least two clubs that shouldn't carry the DA badge based on the criteria from those reports.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/29/18 12:41 AM

I see NYCFC 04 players playing for local teams ...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/29/18 08:35 AM

Yes MLS needs to play by FIFA transfer rules to make it work here which also means that they need to share fees with the community clubs because that is where the money issue is. It costs way too much money to play soccer in the USA which means good training and competition is not available at the grassroots. There also are simply not enough professional clubs at a good enough level to help subsidize grassroots soccer and USSF and MLS are separate which means our soccer federation is not really in charge unlike in European countries where the leagues are controlled by the National federations all the way down to the lowest youth divisions with completely integrated promotion and releagtaion throughout. In USA a new bunch of rich owners could start a new league tomorrow completely on their own separate from MLS and/or USSF. And we know there are far too many youth leagues all making moeny for themselves. Not sure what the solutions are but until USSF has a brain and takes over soccer in the USA in a meaningful way nothing can change.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/29/18 10:58 AM

They should because they don’t belong at nycfc. Especially the midfielders
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/29/18 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
DA in NY/NJ//CT has too many clubs that have been hijacked for personal agendas. The DA used to publish a report that ranked clubs by their commitment to meeting (and exceeding) requirements. It's too bad they've discontinued the practice but I'd imagine it's not done anymore because it would expose too many deficiencies. I can name at least two clubs that shouldn't carry the DA badge based on the criteria from those reports.


please go on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/29/18 01:35 PM

I just saw this weekend 2005 gotschee players playing in an LIJSL game !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/29/18 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just saw this weekend 2005 gotschee players playing in an LIJSL game !


05 BWG DA players? That's funny because pretty much all of them are in North Carolina for the showcase.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/29/18 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just saw this weekend 2005 gotschee players playing in an LIJSL game !

NO TRUE .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/29/18 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I just saw this weekend 2005 gotschee players playing in an LIJSL game !

NO TRUE .

Who cares. My grandmother always said "Live and let play soccer."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 10/31/18 01:32 PM

I see Met oval got spanked by Montreal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/01/18 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I see Met oval got spanked by Montreal.


Montreal team is legit. They play the Red Bulls in the spring - should be an interesting game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/01/18 11:15 PM

7-1 and it was said only the best players are on the DA teams LOL.
Must of been a long trip home!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/02/18 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
7-1 and it was said only the best players are on the DA teams LOL.
Must of been a long trip home!


Montreal Impact is a DA team
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/02/18 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
7-1 and it was said only the best players are on the DA teams LOL.
Must of been a long trip home!


Montreal Impact is a DA team


Yes. They have some of the best players....Met Oval doesn’t.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/02/18 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
7-1 and it was said only the best players are on the DA teams LOL.
Must of been a long trip home!


Montreal Impact is a DA team


Yes. They have some of the best players....Met Oval doesn’t.


That's the way it should be. If it wasn't like that something would be horribly wrong. MLS academies should be winning every game they play against non-MLS teams at least 7-1.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/03/18 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
7-1 and it was said only the best players are on the DA teams LOL.
Must of been a long trip home!


Montreal Impact is a DA team


Yes. They have some of the best players....Met Oval doesn’t.


That's the way it should be. If it wasn't like that something would be horribly wrong. MLS academies should be winning every game they play against non-MLS teams at least 7-1.


Generally that’s how it should be but this is America.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/04/18 12:08 AM

Doesn’t help when u play inferior kids the entire game because of their daddy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/04/18 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Doesn’t help when u play inferior kids the entire game because of their daddy.


Are you referring to BWG or Met Oval? What a joke! LMAO
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/05/18 06:13 PM

What’s going on with metoval and gottschee? Not doing very well lately...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/05/18 07:11 PM

Gottchee players are to busy playing for LIJSL teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/06/18 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gottchee players are to busy playing for LIJSL teams

stop all these rumors. DA players don't play for LIJSL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/06/18 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gottchee players are to busy playing for LIJSL teams

stop all these rumors. DA players don't play for LIJSL


You are incorrect as i know this for a fact. It's kinda pathetic
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/07/18 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gottchee players are to busy playing for LIJSL teams

stop all these rumors. DA players don't play for LIJSL


You are incorrect as i know this for a fact. It's kinda pathetic



Why are you so bothered? We should be encouraging kids to play as much as possible, not restricting them. That's how they improve and develop. So what if a kid plays somewhere else when he's not playing for your son's club? Maybe he just loves to play. Maybe he gets to play a different position. Maybe he gets to play with a different set of friends. Why do you care? - Is it because your son was not invited?

What are you, the USSF DA Police? Time to crawl back in your cave, youth soccer is moving on without you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/07/18 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s going on with metoval and gottschee? Not doing very well lately...

Gottschee and Met Oval are doing as well as can be expected. The players are there because their parents want them playing ACADEMY not because they are great players. ACADEMY parents will never agree but Gottschee and Met Oval are no better than a travel team. The only difference are the fanatic parents and the extreme cost. Bad coaching and club politics are magnified in the ACADEMY league because the parents are so completely NUTS.

We've all heard the stories of Paul McGlynn and Jeffrey Saunders but I've seen some other winners. Parents who have replicas made of their son's jersey and wear it ti games. A father who wear's soccer CLEATS to his son's games. I've heard of a father who considers himself as his son's AGENT and has his son call him by name instead of Dad. The Presidents son plays Barron Trump ACADEMY.

I've known mothers who have gone the extra mile (or inches) with the coach to get Jr. more playing time. Parent managers who put in hours so their kid can be on the team. Extra training, fitness training, futsal training, winter showcase, summer showcase, Boston, Seacoast, Virginia, Philly, no matter the cost they will be there !

I watched a parent talking to Paul McGlynn and was waiting for him to get on his knees and kiss Paul's ass. I'm sure it happened but I couldn't wait around because unlike most of you I have a life.

Good Luck ACADEMY Parents,
Filippo
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/07/18 01:21 PM

great result by FC Westchester 2005 vs NYCFC 2005 LOST 4-3 BUT GREAT GAME .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/07/18 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gottchee players are to busy playing for LIJSL teams

stop all these rumors. DA players don't play for LIJSL


You are incorrect as i know this for a fact. It's kinda pathetic



Why are you so bothered? We should be encouraging kids to play as much as possible, not restricting them. That's how they improve and develop. So what if a kid plays somewhere else when he's not playing for your son's club? Maybe he just loves to play. Maybe he gets to play a different position. Maybe he gets to play with a different set of friends. Why do you care? - Is it because your son was not invited?

What are you, the USSF DA Police? Time to crawl back in your cave, youth soccer is moving on without you.



You represent all that is wrong with youth sports.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/07/18 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
great result by FC Westchester 2005 vs NYCFC 2005 LOST 4-3 BUT GREAT GAME .

what about NYCFC played with some 06"s
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/07/18 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
great result by FC Westchester 2005 vs NYCFC 2005 LOST 4-3 BUT GREAT GAME .

great result by FC W. no for NYCFC .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/07/18 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
great result by FC Westchester 2005 vs NYCFC 2005 LOST 4-3 BUT GREAT GAME .

great result by FC W. no for NYCFC .


NYCFC rostered 1 2006. impressive score line for FCW
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/07/18 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
great result by FC Westchester 2005 vs NYCFC 2005 LOST 4-3 BUT GREAT GAME .

great result by FC W. no for NYCFC .


NYCFC rostered 1 2006. impressive score line for FCW

two 2006 players . goal in minute 80 was very harsh for FCW
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/07/18 05:34 PM

What do DA clubs/players participate in off season?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/07/18 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do DA clubs/players participate in off season?

the most expensive crap parents can find
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/08/18 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do DA clubs/players participate in off season?

the most expensive crap parents can find


ugh. so true.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/08/18 04:27 PM

Keep the dream alive. What a waste of time and money for these families ! Whatever floats their boat i guess
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/08/18 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What do DA clubs/players participate in off season?

the most expensive crap parents can find

like what ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/08/18 05:20 PM

actually 3 06 players were rostered & started for nycfc in this game, with only one being deserved of the nod. looks like the fat man hemmed, hawwed & certainly cried enough to get his overmatched son back playing up. I'm sure he threatened to leave the academy and go elsewhere but no doubt he'll tell everybody that the club asked him to move up. selfish and small player has no business playing with 05's, especially when there are MUCH more deserving 06's that earned a shot but as they say, the squeaky (or in this case, the fat) wheel gets the grease. can tell you this, if NYCFC starts their regular 05 starting squad like they did early in the fall for a friendly, you get a result like that 11-0 final. If you play the 06's, you get what you deserve with a very close and ugly game. Sort of reminds me of last year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/08/18 06:44 PM

What winter training do DA Clubs provide their players? Do they do leagues, continue with team practices, etc?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/08/18 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
actually 3 06 players were rostered & started for nycfc in this game, with only one being deserved of the nod. looks like the fat man hemmed, hawwed & certainly cried enough to get his overmatched son back playing up. I'm sure he threatened to leave the academy and go elsewhere but no doubt he'll tell everybody that the club asked him to move up. selfish and small player has no business playing with 05's, especially when there are MUCH more deserving 06's that earned a shot but as they say, the squeaky (or in this case, the fat) wheel gets the grease. can tell you this, if NYCFC starts their regular 05 starting squad like they did early in the fall for a friendly, you get a result like that 11-0 final. If you play the 06's, you get what you deserve with a very close and ugly game. Sort of reminds me of last year

so much hate in your words .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 12:19 AM

are travel teams much cheaper than DA?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
are travel teams much cheaper than DA?


If you're paying anything for DA, you're in the wrong place.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 04:04 AM

He sounds a lot like the 04 dad. Lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What winter training do DA Clubs provide their players? Do they do leagues, continue with team practices, etc?


In theory you're only supposed to participate in DA, nothing outside without USSF permision. Most teams practice 2-3 times/week in winter. Younger teams are supposed to do futsal as well. Some kids skirt the rules and do other things while their clubs look the other way USSF rules are more like suggestions at many clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What winter training do DA Clubs provide their players? Do they do leagues, continue with team practices, etc?


In theory you're only supposed to participate in DA, nothing outside without USSF permision. Most teams practice 2-3 times/week in winter. Younger teams are supposed to do futsal as well. Some kids skirt the rules and do other things while their clubs look the other way USSF rules are more like suggestions at many clubs.



Ha! What rules? When has the USSF actually exhibited any oversight of the DA? The requirements look good on paper - but when do they ever enforced anything?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 05:37 PM

Between rules being and broken and parents cozying up to coaches are by surprised this country struggles
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 08:50 PM

To answer a few questions...

Travel teams are about 1/2 of DA fees and then when you play DA you have to also pay for travel on top of the annual fee. So for example when your kids team goes to the U13/14 showcase in North Carolina or when your older kids team plays the Montreal Impact in Montreal etc. Those who play for an MLS DA team do not pay for anything. One thing I will note though is that most DA teams train full year and 4 times a week where travel teams tend to have a fall and spring season and a very light winter and train 2 (maybe 3) times a week, so you pay more but you actually do get almost double the training hours by the time the full year is over.

DA teams train over the winter, most train 3-4 times per week. Many clubs train in school gyms, some train on indoor turf and some train outside if the weather is mild.

Most kids that I know don't have time to play for more than a DA team. There are often kids who play pick up here and there for fun but I can't imagine any that would also be able to play for a travel team as well...unless they are not training at all with the travel team and just playing in games. But if that is happening, its not wide spread.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Between rules being and broken and parents cozying up to coaches are by surprised this country struggles

I know, just look at your grammer. I'm struggling just to try and understand what you are saying!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
are travel teams much cheaper than DA?


If you're paying anything for DA, you're in the wrong place.


This goes along well with the theory that if you don't know who the fool in the room is, it's probably you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 10:59 PM

You know exactly what I meant, that’s why u responded. Now go call your coach so your son can play over the more deserving kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
To answer a few questions...

Travel teams are about 1/2 of DA fees and then when you play DA you have to also pay for travel on top of the annual fee. So for example when your kids team goes to the U13/14 showcase in North Carolina or when your older kids team plays the Montreal Impact in Montreal etc. Those who play for an MLS DA team do not pay for anything. One thing I will note though is that most DA teams train full year and 4 times a week where travel teams tend to have a fall and spring season and a very light winter and train 2 (maybe 3) times a week, so you pay more but you actually do get almost double the training hours by the time the full year is over.

DA teams train over the winter, most train 3-4 times per week. Many clubs train in school gyms, some train on indoor turf and some train outside if the weather is mild.

Most kids that I know don't have time to play for more than a DA team. There are often kids who play pick up here and there for fun but I can't imagine any that would also be able to play for a travel team as well...unless they are not training at all with the travel team and just playing in games. But if that is happening, its not wide spread.


Would agree with most of you say. The larger travel team clubs charge about what DAs charge and sometimes more, but you get less cause they don't train as much and charge extra for winter session. A few examples: MSC, SUSA, Barca
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/09/18 11:57 PM

Can DA players guest play at Bethesda Potomac Jeff Cup Disney EDP Tourneys
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/10/18 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can DA players guest play at Bethesda Potomac Jeff Cup Disney EDP Tourneys


Technically DA players are not allowed to play on any other teams or any other leagues but you'd have to check with your coach/club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/10/18 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Can DA players guest play at Bethesda Potomac Jeff Cup Disney EDP Tourneys


Technically DA players are not allowed to play on any other teams or any other leagues but you'd have to check with your coach/club.



You have to get approval. Good luck with that. USSF doesn't want you doing outside anything.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/10/18 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Gottchee players are to busy playing for LIJSL teams

stop all these rumors. DA players don't play for LIJSL


You are incorrect as i know this for a fact. It's kinda pathetic



Why are you so bothered? We should be encouraging kids to play as much as possible, not restricting them. That's how they improve and develop. So what if a kid plays somewhere else when he's not playing for your son's club? Maybe he just loves to play. Maybe he gets to play a different position. Maybe he gets to play with a different set of friends. Why do you care? - Is it because your son was not invited?

What are you, the USSF DA Police? Time to crawl back in your cave, youth soccer is moving on without you.



Amen brother. Speak the truth. Some people enjoy creating drama. That's their problem. If the kid loves to play then let him play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 02:31 AM

MetOval 05- Fc Westchester 5-2
MetOval 05- PDA 2-0
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 03:01 AM

Filippo will soon be out of a job at Met Oval. Jeffrey brought his son back to Met Oval so he can do what ever he wants. Filippo has let this go on for the entire fall but it looks like he’s had enough. With one of Met Ovals worst seasons in years and players leaving for other clubs Jeffrey has plenty of excuses to can the Italian. The reason will be because Filippo grew some balls and stood up to Jeffreys son. Filippo yelled at the boy in a fit of rage “I’m the COACH you do what I say ! I have FOUR coaching licenses and I played in Italy !” The boy laughed in his face. I would bet this is Filippos LAST season at Met Oval.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 05:33 AM

Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0


Easy there, sport. Met Oval U17 is 3-5-2. So relax. It's a team cobbled together from some slightly above average travel players. You won't know where Met Oval stands for quite a while until the younger teams come up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 03:30 PM

Met oval will never be top tier because they will lose the better players to nycfc. That’s what happens when u r an affiliate. U17 is a perfect example of that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s going on with metoval and gottschee? Not doing very well lately...

Gottschee and Met Oval are doing as well as can be expected. The players are there because their parents want them playing ACADEMY not because they are great players. ACADEMY parents will never agree but Gottschee and Met Oval are no better than a travel team. The only difference are the fanatic parents and the extreme cost. Bad coaching and club politics are magnified in the ACADEMY league because the parents are so completely NUTS.

We've all heard the stories of Paul McGlynn and Jeffrey Saunders but I've seen some other winners. Parents who have replicas made of their son's jersey and wear it ti games. A father who wear's soccer CLEATS to his son's games. I've heard of a father who considers himself as his son's AGENT and has his son call him by name instead of Dad. The Presidents son plays Barron Trump ACADEMY.

I've known mothers who have gone the extra mile (or inches) with the coach to get Jr. more playing time. Parent managers who put in hours so their kid can be on the team. Extra training, fitness training, futsal training, winter showcase, summer showcase, Boston, Seacoast, Virginia, Philly, no matter the cost they will be there !

I watched a parent talking to Paul McGlynn and was waiting for him to get on his knees and kiss Paul's ass. I'm sure it happened but I couldn't wait around because unlike most of you I have a life.

Good Luck ACADEMY Parents,
Filippo




As a Gottschee parent, I have to say this is all 100% true. Gottschee should really be a local travel team. Its coaching staff is awful and are not professional can't win a game. The academy teams are pre-academy level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 06:18 PM

Why
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0

What’s going on with PDA? They should be killing these BS Fake DA teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0

What’s going on with PDA? They should be killing these BS Fake DA teams


what about BWG 2005 ? loosing. loosing and loosing
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
What’s going on with metoval and gottschee? Not doing very well lately...

Gottschee and Met Oval are doing as well as can be expected. The players are there because their parents want them playing ACADEMY not because they are great players. ACADEMY parents will never agree but Gottschee and Met Oval are no better than a travel team. The only difference are the fanatic parents and the extreme cost. Bad coaching and club politics are magnified in the ACADEMY league because the parents are so completely NUTS.

We've all heard the stories of Paul McGlynn and Jeffrey Saunders but I've seen some other winners. Parents who have replicas made of their son's jersey and wear it ti games. A father who wear's soccer CLEATS to his son's games. I've heard of a father who considers himself as his son's AGENT and has his son call him by name instead of Dad. The Presidents son plays Barron Trump ACADEMY.

I've known mothers who have gone the extra mile (or inches) with the coach to get Jr. more playing time. Parent managers who put in hours so their kid can be on the team. Extra training, fitness training, futsal training, winter showcase, summer showcase, Boston, Seacoast, Virginia, Philly, no matter the cost they will be there !

I watched a parent talking to Paul McGlynn and was waiting for him to get on his knees and kiss Paul's ass. I'm sure it happened but I couldn't wait around because unlike most of you I have a life.

Good Luck ACADEMY Parents,
Filippo




As a Gottschee parent, I have to say this is all 100% true. Gottschee should really be a local travel team. Its coaching staff is awful and are not professional can't win a game. The academy teams are pre-academy level.


As an Academy parent, I can assure you that I do not waste my time on boards that don't concern me. I take joy in reading these posts of all of the parents who spend all of this time during the day reading and writing on the Academy board that has nothing to do with their son. Get a life. I don't hear the hysteria here about a club like the Red Bulls losing 5-1 to the Philly Union or 2-0 to the PA Classics, but yet you guys are all hung up on these other Academies and take great pleasure in putting them down. You happy with the decision you made for your son? Terrific. Go bitch about the teams he actually plays against. See you at tryouts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 07:28 PM

Agreed our 04 team played Barcelona in a friendly and lost 3-0 and could easily been 5 or 6
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed our 04 team played Barcelona in a friendly and lost 3-0 and could easily been 5 or 6

you mean 2004 bwg DA?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 08:11 PM

What team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed our 04 team played Barcelona in a friendly and lost 3-0 and could easily been 5 or 6
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What team
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agreed our 04 team played Barcelona in a friendly and lost 3-0 and could easily been 5 or 6



yesterday the 04 Barca NY team had a scrimmage against 04 BWG DA, Barca won 3-0 in a convincing one-sided match in which barca could’ve had 5 or 6 goals hadn’t they hit a few posts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 08:35 PM

BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 08:36 PM

Yes DA
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 08:53 PM

BWG DA 04
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 10:21 PM

At some point the USSF needs to instruct the DA to teach US players how to win games. We get caught up in "being about development" and "not about results" - but eventually the older DA teams (starting at U15) should emulate the pros and play the best players and learn what it takes to be internationally competitive. Make players fight in practice to keep their starting spots and minutes on the field. Play games to win and make players adopt the survival mindset that most players don't have here. The "percentage-start" requirement for older teams winds-up being the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality that will continue to create players that get their asses kicked in international competition.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 10:28 PM

BWG needs to step up its game otherwise they are going to fell of the clyft ...they have some very good and dedicated coaches but others are just terrible
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.



Come on. Feeling better about your kid (yourself, through reverse dependency)? The Barca team probably wanted to make a statement for access to DA, while the BWG team recovered from their Saturday game. They may have played the bottom of their roster to get them some work - and maybe even younger players.

Do I think players outside of DA can play? Of course. But don't make this sound like they beat a DA team that was going all out to get a win. Get a clue. Get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.



Come on. Feeling better about your kid (yourself, through reverse dependency)? The Barca team probably wanted to make a statement for access to DA, while the BWG team recovered from their Saturday game. They may have played the bottom of their roster to get them some work - and maybe even younger players.

Do I think players outside of DA can play? Of course. But don't make this sound like they beat a DA team that was going all out to get a win. Get a clue. Get a life.



My kid doesn’t play for either team, I was just stating a fact, but you sure do have a lot of excuses. Maybe the Barça team was just better, maybe the teams who play in protected bubble of the DA aren’t as good as you think they are, maybe they would loose a lot more games against non DA teams if they played them more often.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.



Come on. Feeling better about your kid (yourself, through reverse dependency)? The Barca team probably wanted to make a statement for access to DA, while the BWG team recovered from their Saturday game. They may have played the bottom of their roster to get them some work - and maybe even younger players.

Do I think players outside of DA can play? Of course. But don't make this sound like they beat a DA team that was going all out to get a win. Get a clue. Get a life.


Having played a game the day before is no excuse for the way BWG played, they were playing straight up kick and run. Barca played this scrimmage like it they were to play any other game, and if anything it was Gottschee players that were frustrated and wanted to get something out of this scrimmage due to not playing well this season. At one point a Gottschee forward got into a physical fight for the 50/50 ball with a barca cb and after not winning the ball looked like he was wanted to punch the cb after pushing him.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/12/18 11:22 PM

BWG played with all its players ... but the 04 team it's struggling this year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.



Come on. Feeling better about your kid (yourself, through reverse dependency)? The Barca team probably wanted to make a statement for access to DA, while the BWG team recovered from their Saturday game. They may have played the bottom of their roster to get them some work - and maybe even younger players.

Do I think players outside of DA can play? Of course. But don't make this sound like they beat a DA team that was going all out to get a win. Get a clue. Get a life.


Having played a game the day before is no excuse for the way BWG played, they were playing straight up kick and run. Barca played this scrimmage like it they were to play any other game, and if anything it was Gottschee players that were frustrated and wanted to get something out of this scrimmage due to not playing well this season. At one point a Gottschee forward got into a physical fight for the 50/50 ball with a barca cb and after not winning the ball looked like he was wanted to punch the cb after pushing him.


DA Academy should dump Gottschee and take Barca on next year. McGlynn has stopped putting any effort in helping Gottschee and is now just focused on trying to get his son on a professional team. Gottschee will be dumped out of the DA soon.This has been coming for a long time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.



Come on. Feeling better about your kid (yourself, through reverse dependency)? The Barca team probably wanted to make a statement for access to DA, while the BWG team recovered from their Saturday game. They may have played the bottom of their roster to get them some work - and maybe even younger players.

Do I think players outside of DA can play? Of course. But don't make this sound like they beat a DA team that was going all out to get a win. Get a clue. Get a life.


Having played a game the day before is no excuse for the way BWG played, they were playing straight up kick and run. Barca played this scrimmage like it they were to play any other game, and if anything it was Gottschee players that were frustrated and wanted to get something out of this scrimmage due to not playing well this season. At one point a Gottschee forward got into a physical fight for the 50/50 ball with a barca cb and after not winning the ball looked like he was wanted to punch the cb after pushing him.


DA Academy should dump Gottschee and take Barca on next year. McGlynn has stopped putting any effort in helping Gottschee and is now just focused on trying to get his son on a professional team. Gottschee will be dumped out of the DA soon.This has been coming for a long time.

True
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.



Come on. Feeling better about your kid (yourself, through reverse dependency)? The Barca team probably wanted to make a statement for access to DA, while the BWG team recovered from their Saturday game. They may have played the bottom of their roster to get them some work - and maybe even younger players.

Do I think players outside of DA can play? Of course. But don't make this sound like they beat a DA team that was going all out to get a win. Get a clue. Get a life.


Having played a game the day before is no excuse for the way BWG played, they were playing straight up kick and run. Barca played this scrimmage like it they were to play any other game, and if anything it was Gottschee players that were frustrated and wanted to get something out of this scrimmage due to not playing well this season. At one point a Gottschee forward got into a physical fight for the 50/50 ball with a barca cb and after not winning the ball looked like he was wanted to punch the cb after pushing him.


DA Academy should dump Gottschee and take Barca on next year. McGlynn has stopped putting any effort in helping Gottschee and is now just focused on trying to get his son on a professional team. Gottschee will be dumped out of the DA soon.This has been coming for a long time.

BWG coach gets 1/2 hr. late to arrival time and then has the balls to blame the kids for losing the game. He puts no effort whatsoever. Barcelona won fare and square, better players and far superior coaching.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 03:24 AM

BWG 2004's are 0-10-0 this year... beyond struggling...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG played with all its players ... but the 04 team it's struggling this year


2005 bwg is a dissaster
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Red Bulls and NYCFC take players from other teams indiscriminately and they don’t have a commitment with them. If they have a hard time to adapt or a bad season they just replace them and that is not what a DEVELOPEMENT Academy is supposed to be. I just see a revolving door of kids but coaches never take any responsibility to help the players. They know that for the next season they will have a line of 3or4 kids equally good with just different talents.



Agree . Also those coaches from NYRB with English accent like big strong boys

My son plays for PDA’s DA and as a parent you must teach your children that there should be a level of loyalty to the club that has helped to mold you into the player you are. And yes nycfc and Redbulls certainly “recruit”. They go into Hudl, get your info and randomly your kid is invited to a session after the 6/30 open DA date. I guess everyone has to do what’s best for them but PDA can get my son an MLS contract or a D1 scholarship just as quickly as a crappy MLS academy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0


Easy there, sport. Met Oval U17 is 3-5-2. So relax. It's a team cobbled together from some slightly above average travel players. You won't know where Met Oval stands for quite a while until the younger teams come up.




PDA parents please learn how to loose a game .Worst behavior vs MOval .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG 04 DA team played Barça NY 04’s in a friendly this weekend. Barça won 3-0 in a pretty one sided game.



Come on. Feeling better about your kid (yourself, through reverse dependency)? The Barca team probably wanted to make a statement for access to DA, while the BWG team recovered from their Saturday game. They may have played the bottom of their roster to get them some work - and maybe even younger players.

Do I think players outside of DA can play? Of course. But don't make this sound like they beat a DA team that was going all out to get a win. Get a clue. Get a life.


Having played a game the day before is no excuse for the way BWG played, they were playing straight up kick and run. Barca played this scrimmage like it they were to play any other game, and if anything it was Gottschee players that were frustrated and wanted to get something out of this scrimmage due to not playing well this season. At one point a Gottschee forward got into a physical fight for the 50/50 ball with a barca cb and after not winning the ball looked like he was wanted to punch the cb after pushing him.


DA Academy should dump Gottschee and take Barca on next year. McGlynn has stopped putting any effort in helping Gottschee and is now just focused on trying to get his son on a professional team. Gottschee will be dumped out of the DA soon.This has been coming for a long time.


What's Barcelona ever accomplished? Wait, I know, fooling parents into believing that if they pay $3k+/year (after telling parents that the top teams would be free) they will one day be in a club that is good enough to become academy. How are those long ago promised fields doing? The best players on those teams that were fooled like this are now playing in other clubs. This is 3 years in a row that Barcelona parents have shared their dreams of playing academy on these boards. The Gottschee teams that are playoff eligible at U17 and U19 have all made the playoffs for the past 4 years . One of a few nonmls clubs in the country to accomplish this. Weah who played there for 3 years is one of the top US players in the world now. Another signed with Liverpool this summer. Many of their players playing in college are on top DI teams. No one gives credit when they.re winning but when a team or two doesn't do well it's the end of the world. No reason to be dropped from academy as the record of success is proven by hard facts and numbers. Did I mention that the Professional NY Red Bulls U16/17 team just lost to the PA Classics 2-0? One of the historically worst academy clubs in the country based on record of winss and losses that hasn't made the playoffs in years. A professional team that has the entire metro area to choose from and has players coming in from overseas and the country to play for them lost to a team from Amish country at Lancaster. Barcelona could probably beat them too with their superior coaching. Right?

Getting back to the central point of your argument that is not based on any fact, what has been coming for a long time? The success of the Gottschee academy teams over the last few years can't be refuted. One more thing, the Gottschee 2007 and 2008 teams won the NY Cup Gold last year. What are all of the great things that Barcelona LI has accomplished in that span? What NY cups have they won? They've accomplished zilch besides fooling you parents into believing that one day your son will be playing academy for Barca LI on beautiful fields. Same fools gold that's been promised for years now. You should create a Barca LI We Wish We Were an Academy thread and spend your time sharing your dreams and gripes there. First dream should be a NY Cup win in a top bracket at any age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0


Easy there, sport. Met Oval U17 is 3-5-2. So relax. It's a team cobbled together from some slightly above average travel players. You won't know where Met Oval stands for quite a while until the younger teams come up.




PDA parents please learn how to loose a game .Worst behavior vs MOval .

What does that mean? Worst behavior? Was anyone arrested? Talk about poor behavior BWG outrageous
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 04:00 PM



[/quote] Having played a game the day before is no excuse for the way BWG played, they were playing straight up kick and run. Barca played this scrimmage like it they were to play any other game, and if anything it was Gottschee players that were frustrated and wanted to get something out of this scrimmage due to not playing well this season. At one point a Gottschee forward got into a physical fight for the 50/50 ball with a barca cb and after not winning the ball looked like he was wanted to punch the cb after pushing him.[/quote]

DA Academy should dump Gottschee and take Barca on next year. McGlynn has stopped putting any effort in helping Gottschee and is now just focused on trying to get his son on a professional team. Gottschee will be dumped out of the DA soon.This has been coming for a long time.[/quote]

What's Barcelona ever accomplished? Wait, I know, fooling parents into believing that if they pay $3k+/year (after telling parents that the top teams would be free) they will one day be in a club that is good enough to become academy. How are those long ago promised fields doing? The best players on those teams that were fooled like this are now playing in other clubs. This is 3 years in a row that Barcelona parents have shared their dreams of playing academy on these boards. The Gottschee teams that are playoff eligible at U17 and U19 have all made the playoffs for the past 4 years . One of a few nonmls clubs in the country to accomplish this. Weah who played there for 3 years is one of the top US players in the world now. Another signed with Liverpool this summer. Many of their players playing in college are on top DI teams. No one gives credit when they.re winning but when a team or two doesn't do well it's the end of the world. No reason to be dropped from academy as the record of success is proven by hard facts and numbers. Did I mention that the Professional NY Red Bulls U16/17 team just lost to the PA Classics 2-0? One of the historically worst academy clubs in the country based on record of winss and losses that hasn't made the playoffs in years. A professional team that has the entire metro area to choose from and has players coming in from overseas and the country to play for them lost to a team from Amish country at Lancaster. Barcelona could probably beat them too with their superior coaching. Right?

Getting back to the central point of your argument that is not based on any fact, what has been coming for a long time? The success of the Gottschee academy teams over the last few years can't be refuted. One more thing, the Gottschee 2007 and 2008 teams won the NY Cup Gold last year. What are all of the great things that Barcelona LI has accomplished in that span? What NY cups have they won? They've accomplished zilch besides fooling you parents into believing that one day your son will be playing academy for Barca LI on beautiful fields. Same fools gold that's been promised for years now. You should create a Barca LI We Wish We Were an Academy thread and spend your time sharing your dreams and gripes there. First dream should be a NY Cup win in a top bracket at any age.
[/quote]

seems like someone is butthurt, it’s literally only been a season and a half that barca ny has been here, they aren’t going to make world beaters in that time, so I don’t know what you expected out of them. But they have superior coaching to most teams in the area so the kids are only going to learn more of the game and get better as a team as they spend more time training with the coaches. you don’t have to be butthurt because a DA team didn’t live up to the expectations of everybody, but that’s how the game is. the leagues a team plays in isn’t a factor on how good they could be if they are well a coached team. take the stars premier galaxy for example, last mid-winter they handled the two mls clubs in the area when they beat nycfc 3-0 and red bulls 1-0 in scrimmages. It’s just literally impossible for all the best players to be on the DA teams, some are just overlooked or missed by mls recruits.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 05:18 PM


nobody in barca is boasting about this win as if they beat the best da team out there, it just shows that there’s clubs in the da that don’t play like they deserve a spot in the DA. it’s good for any team to know that they have the level to compete against these teams. looking at the gottschee’s scores, they’re doing horrible this year, but they’ve had some close games, so who’s to say there aren’t other non-MLS teams that aren’t at the prestigious “DA god level” that would get exposed if they played top teams. you don’t need to be in the DA to be a talented footballer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 05:46 PM

Read on the KK thread that Barca 04's played Gottschee's 04 DA team and beat them 3-0. Any truth to this?
Congratulations to Barca for dominating the worst U15 DA team in the country. Gottschee 04 is tied for dead last with zero points out of 90 teams. Gottschee and IMG are the only U15 DA teams in the country that are pointless.

I heard Barca is going down to FL to set up a scrimmage, LOL

Smart move McGlynn setting an out of league scrimmage you couldn’t win.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BWG played with all its players ... but the 04 team it's struggling this year

Winless to be exact. Coach and McGlynn on the hot seat? Parents not happy, players depressed, some heard arguing with the coach. What happened to the "Gottschee Way " ?? Wheres Ben when you need him, better yet what happens when Ben is gone ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 08:59 PM

I don’t think it’s Barca bragging, sounds more like Gottschee families are disgruntled. It was a good club it just isn’t anymore. Look on the bright side at least your not Met Oval.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 09:14 PM

Barca is a complete joke. Now stay off the DA thread with your nonsense
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
actually 3 06 players were rostered & started for nycfc in this game, with only one being deserved of the nod. looks like the fat man hemmed, hawwed & certainly cried enough to get his overmatched son back playing up. I'm sure he threatened to leave the academy and go elsewhere but no doubt he'll tell everybody that the club asked him to move up. selfish and small player has no business playing with 05's, especially when there are MUCH more deserving 06's that earned a shot but as they say, the squeaky (or in this case, the fat) wheel gets the grease. can tell you this, if NYCFC starts their regular 05 starting squad like they did early in the fall for a friendly, you get a result like that 11-0 final. If you play the 06's, you get what you deserve with a very close and ugly game. Sort of reminds me of last year

so much hate in your words .

So more drama with the nycfc 2006 team. Racial texts, kids suspended yet allowed to somehow play. Parents threatening harassment law suits. 2007 dad doing 2006 coaches accounting. Lots of dirty laundry with this group
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/13/18 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
actually 3 06 players were rostered & started for nycfc in this game, with only one being deserved of the nod. looks like the fat man hemmed, hawwed & certainly cried enough to get his overmatched son back playing up. I'm sure he threatened to leave the academy and go elsewhere but no doubt he'll tell everybody that the club asked him to move up. selfish and small player has no business playing with 05's, especially when there are MUCH more deserving 06's that earned a shot but as they say, the squeaky (or in this case, the fat) wheel gets the grease. can tell you this, if NYCFC starts their regular 05 starting squad like they did early in the fall for a friendly, you get a result like that 11-0 final. If you play the 06's, you get what you deserve with a very close and ugly game. Sort of reminds me of last year

so much hate in your words .

So more drama with the nycfc 2006 team. Racial texts, kids suspended yet allowed to somehow play. Parents threatening harassment law suits. 2007 dad doing 2006 coaches accounting. Lots of dirty laundry with this group

Is all these really happening at nycf mls team ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/14/18 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
actually 3 06 players were rostered & started for nycfc in this game, with only one being deserved of the nod. looks like the fat man hemmed, hawwed & certainly cried enough to get his overmatched son back playing up. I'm sure he threatened to leave the academy and go elsewhere but no doubt he'll tell everybody that the club asked him to move up. selfish and small player has no business playing with 05's, especially when there are MUCH more deserving 06's that earned a shot but as they say, the squeaky (or in this case, the fat) wheel gets the grease. can tell you this, if NYCFC starts their regular 05 starting squad like they did early in the fall for a friendly, you get a result like that 11-0 final. If you play the 06's, you get what you deserve with a very close and ugly game. Sort of reminds me of last year

so much hate in your words .

So more drama with the nycfc 2006 team. Racial texts, kids suspended yet allowed to somehow play. Parents threatening harassment law suits. 2007 dad doing 2006 coaches accounting. Lots of dirty laundry with this group

Is all these really happening at nycf mls team ?

Absolutely happening. Talk to any 06/07 parent and they’ll fill you in. Certain fathers doing major favors for coaches. Thus the reason certain kids play up (when you can see they aren’t even close to ready for the jump) certain kids allowed to threaten teammates etc. no real repercussions. Not a heathy environment. Say what you will about Barca but the coaching staff would never allow this kind of behavior.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/14/18 02:10 PM

Why would they listen to the fat man? What’s his superpower
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/14/18 06:18 PM


A



Why would they listen to the fat man? What’s his superpower,because when he doesn’t get his way livestock goes missing and we don’t want world hunger
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/14/18 07:16 PM

It did happen but it was dealt with. NYCFC staff suspended one 07 player for a week. They have no control over how players act when not under their supervision. That player does get favored a bit but only because his dad is the nycfc mayor. He does much recruiting for them from what I’ve seen.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/14/18 08:11 PM

How does the academy director let this behavior from his coaches go on. If what your saying about parents doing favors for the coaches.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/14/18 08:11 PM

"that kid" is probably the most overvalued player in the academy. 100% selfish, never stays in position, will NEVER pass and is only out for himself as he is following instructions from his father. when he plays up with the 2005's he is AWFUL. Loses the ball constantly and still, will NEVER pass. The father is a delusional nonstop PR machine of complete nonsense. I know for a fact that parents and players on the 2005's hate when he plays up and know he only plays up as the father threatens to leave the club. Kid is small even for his own age and easy to push off the ball every time. NYCFC would be better off letting him leave and go back to KK or according to the father, to any of his multiple international offers (BS)!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/14/18 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"that kid" is probably the most overvalued player in the academy. 100% selfish, never stays in position, will NEVER pass and is only out for himself as he is following instructions from his father. when he plays up with the 2005's he is AWFUL. Loses the ball constantly and still, will NEVER pass. The father is a delusional nonstop PR machine of complete nonsense. I know for a fact that parents and players on the 2005's hate when he plays up and know he only plays up as the father threatens to leave the club. Kid is small even for his own age and easy to push off the ball every time. NYCFC would be better off letting him leave and go back to KK or according to the father, to any of his multiple international offers (BS)!!!!!!

You just described BWG 2003 player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/14/18 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
"that kid" is probably the most overvalued player in the academy. 100% selfish, never stays in position, will NEVER pass and is only out for himself as he is following instructions from his father. when he plays up with the 2005's he is AWFUL. Loses the ball constantly and still, will NEVER pass. The father is a delusional nonstop PR machine of complete nonsense. I know for a fact that parents and players on the 2005's hate when he plays up and know he only plays up as the father threatens to leave the club. Kid is small even for his own age and easy to push off the ball every time. NYCFC would be better off letting him leave and go back to KK or according to the father, to any of his multiple international offers (BS)!!!!!!

You just described BWG 2003 player.

It’s an absolute shame what that player has been allowed to get away with. His texts and phone calls to the youngest player on the team were disgusting. That player decided to leave nycfc all together. Hard to hold your head high and play your best game when your coaches allow a child to basically call you “garbage” every single day. And a father that never once corrected it. His father is the biggest kiss a$$ I’ve ever encountered. Shame on nycfc for allowing this to go on and treating this average player so special.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/14/18 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"that kid" is probably the most overvalued player in the academy. 100% selfish, never stays in position, will NEVER pass and is only out for himself as he is following instructions from his father. when he plays up with the 2005's he is AWFUL. Loses the ball constantly and still, will NEVER pass. The father is a delusional nonstop PR machine of complete nonsense. I know for a fact that parents and players on the 2005's hate when he plays up and know he only plays up as the father threatens to leave the club. Kid is small even for his own age and easy to push off the ball every time. NYCFC would be better off letting him leave and go back to KK or according to the father, to any of his multiple international offers (BS)!!!!!!

Oh right. Manchester United wants him. What a joke
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/15/18 01:27 PM

That guy is a total joke. He’s always talking like he has the inside scoop.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/15/18 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That guy is a total joke. He’s always talking like he has the inside scoop.

Jack jack jack jack like dude chill! He’s known internationally apparently
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/15/18 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That guy is a total joke. He’s always talking like he has the inside scoop.

Jack jack jack jack like dude chill! He’s known internationally apparently

Last summer didn’t he sign with Manchester United youth Academy?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/15/18 06:43 PM

Good read about US players playing in Germany. Even Reyna sent his son there.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...mpaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/15/18 08:40 PM


England B-team makin a bloody clinic against the US
The US is so far behind
This England kid Sancho is better then Pulisic and Weah
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/15/18 10:00 PM

My god that was England's c team, academy smecademy!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/15/18 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

England B-team makin a bloody clinic against the US
The US is so far behind
This England kid Sancho is better then Pulisic and Weah



Sancho is the real deal. Pulisic looked good 2nd half but it isnt enough. Weah has to move from PSG and get to a club where he can get minutes. Being stuck behind PSG's offense will do him no good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/16/18 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0


Easy there, sport. Met Oval U17 is 3-5-2. So relax. It's a team cobbled together from some slightly above average travel players. You won't know where Met Oval stands for quite a while until the younger teams come up.




PDA parents please learn how to loose a game .Worst behavior vs MOval .


Met Oval parents please learn how to spell and write in complete sentences.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/16/18 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

England B-team makin a bloody clinic against the US
The US is so far behind
This England kid Sancho is better then Pulisic and Weah



easy killer - i think that us team has like 30 caps combined and average age like 20 so lots to learn.

and we quickly forget the 1-1 tie vs france's a-team pre WC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/16/18 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

England B-team makin a bloody clinic against the US
The US is so far behind
This England kid Sancho is better then Pulisic and Weah



easy killer - i think that us team has like 30 caps combined and average age like 20 so lots to learn.

and we quickly forget the 1-1 tie vs france's a-team pre WC.





What you think is wrong..... The US starting 11 had more caps combined then England’s starting 11. So you also have lots to learn

And you must have also quickly forgot the US not qualifying out of CONCACAF to even go to the WC

But yes one of your children plays for a so called Academy team and is a star
Right Killer ??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/16/18 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

England B-team makin a bloody clinic against the US
The US is so far behind
This England kid Sancho is better then Pulisic and Weah



easy killer - i think that us team has like 30 caps combined and average age like 20 so lots to learn.

and we quickly forget the 1-1 tie vs france's a-team pre WC.





What you think is wrong..... The US starting 11 had more caps combined then England’s starting 11. So you also have lots to learn

And you must have also quickly forgot the US not qualifying out of CONCACAF to even go to the WC

But yes one of your children plays for a so called Academy team and is a star
Right Killer ??


not OP.

Alot of caps is actually not all that relevant right now - each country is in first year of cycle to next WC, I like that US team is fairly young and experimenting with lineups and players; goal is to win something 3 and 4 years from now, keep the young players coming in and out to find the best, so that a year from now, we focus on 20-25 players to wittle down for CONCACAF (year 3) and WC (year 4).

How did all of the giants do that relied on older players (Spain, Germany, Argentina); not so great (yes better than us because we never made it in, but who cares, no silverware).

If above regarding English caps is true, England certainly has the right idea to stay close to top; and I understand that Sane scored yesterday for Germany, in a game where they used a lot of young players (a sign Loew learned his lesson as well).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/16/18 09:00 PM

Let's face it killer, England's 3rd team should thrash a non footballing country like the u s, it's our sport, so not surprised atall.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/16/18 10:35 PM



Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0


Keep talking about BWG

Cedar starts academy U13 2 BWG 1
Cedar stars academy U14 4 BWG 2
Cedar stars academy U15 3 BWG 0
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/17/18 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0


Keep talking about BWG

Cedar starts academy U13 2 BWG 1
Cedar stars academy U14 4 BWG 2
Cedar stars academy U15 3 BWG 0

If CDA is beating your DA team!! You should’nt be a DA team!!! Both clubs suck!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/17/18 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0


Keep talking about BWG

Cedar starts academy U13 2 BWG 1
Cedar stars academy U14 4 BWG 2
Cedar stars academy U15 3 BWG 0

If CDA is beating your DA team!! You should’nt be a DA team!!! Both clubs suck!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep talking about MetOval, just to remaind you:
MetOval U17 5 Westchester 1
MetOval U15 4 Westchester 1
MetOval U14 5 Westchester 2

Today:
MetOval U14 2 PDA 0


Keep talking about BWG

Cedar starts academy U13 2 BWG 1
Cedar stars academy U14 4 BWG 2
Cedar stars academy U15 3 BWG 0

If CDA is beating your DA team!! You should’nt be a DA team!!! Both clubs suck!!

CSA<<<<
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/18/18 01:54 PM

World class best BDA 2006
NYCFC best BDA 2005, 2001/2002
PDA best 2004, 2007
Redbulls best BDA 2003, 2007
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/18/18 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
World class best BDA 2006
NYCFC best BDA 2005, 2001/2002
PDA best 2004, 2007
Redbulls best BDA 2003, 2007



NYCFC 2002 SUCK ! Look at the standings
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/18/18 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
World class best BDA 2006
NYCFC best BDA 2005, 2001/2002
PDA best 2004, 2007
Redbulls best BDA 2003, 2007



NYCFC 2002 SUCK ! Look at the standings


Yes, middle of the pack really "sucks". The season still has a long way to go.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/18/18 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
World class best BDA 2006
NYCFC best BDA 2005, 2001/2002
PDA best 2004, 2007
Redbulls best BDA 2003, 2007



NYCFC 2002 SUCK ! Look at the standings


Yes, middle of the pack really "sucks". The season still has a long way to go.

I can agree with the rest but not NYCFC. They’re struggling
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/18/18 08:28 PM

Yes sucks. They lost to Westchester
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/19/18 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]World class best BDA 2006
NYCFC best BDA 2005, 2001/2002
PDA best 2004, 2007
Redbulls best BDA 2003, 2007


Yes, middle of the pack really "sucks". The season still has a long way to go.

Yes, they SUCK ! NYCFC is a FREE MLS academy with every resource at their fingertips, players, coaches, feilds, etc. Compare NYCFC U17 (2002/2003) to any of the Red Bulls teams of the past or even their own previous U17 and current U19 team. Looking at all that and the standings the only answer is they SUCK ! The reasons I will leave to you
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/19/18 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]World class best BDA 2006
NYCFC best BDA 2005, 2001/2002
PDA best 2004, 2007
Redbulls best BDA 2003, 2007


Yes, middle of the pack really "sucks". The season still has a long way to go.

Yes, they SUCK ! NYCFC is a FREE MLS academy with every resource at their fingertips, players, coaches, feilds, etc. Compare NYCFC U17 (2002/2003) to any of the Red Bulls teams of the past or even their own previous U17 and current U19 team. Looking at all that and the standings the only answer is they SUCK ! The reasons I will leave to you

NYCFC 04S ALSO SUCKS .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/19/18 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

England B-team makin a bloody clinic against the US
The US is so far behind
This England kid Sancho is better then Pulisic and Weah



easy killer - i think that us team has like 30 caps combined and average age like 20 so lots to learn.

and we quickly forget the 1-1 tie vs france's a-team pre WC.





What you think is wrong..... The US starting 11 had more caps combined then England’s starting 11. So you also have lots to learn

And you must have also quickly forgot the US not qualifying out of CONCACAF to even go to the WC

But yes one of your children plays for a so called Academy team and is a star
Right Killer ??


ok dude. and guzan has 60 of those caps and brings the average age of the squad up by 1 year by himself, but sure, go ahead and make an ad hominem attack to prove your point.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/20/18 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]World class best BDA 2006
NYCFC best BDA 2005, 2001/2002
PDA best 2004, 2007
Redbulls best BDA 2003, 2007


Yes, middle of the pack really "sucks". The season still has a long way to go.

Yes, they SUCK ! NYCFC is a FREE MLS academy with every resource at their fingertips, players, coaches, feilds, etc. Compare NYCFC U17 (2002/2003) to any of the Red Bulls teams of the past or even their own previous U17 and current U19 team. Looking at all that and the standings the only answer is they SUCK ! The reasons I will leave to you


Reasons are many:

Diluted player pool
Poor youth training throughout US
Too many specialty athletes
Parent over involvement/influence

To name just a few....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/20/18 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]World class best BDA 2006
NYCFC best BDA 2005, 2001/2002
PDA best 2004, 2007
Redbulls best BDA 2003, 2007


Yes, middle of the pack really "sucks". The season still has a long way to go.

Yes, they SUCK ! NYCFC is a FREE MLS academy with every resource at their fingertips, players, coaches, feilds, etc. Compare NYCFC U17 (2002/2003) to any of the Red Bulls teams of the past or even their own previous U17 and current U19 team. Looking at all that and the standings the only answer is they SUCK ! The reasons I will leave to you

NYCFC 04S ALSO SUCKS .



How many National Championships does the Red Bulls have?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/20/18 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]World class best BDA 2006
NYCFC best BDA 2005, 2001/2002
PDA best 2004, 2007
Redbulls best BDA 2003, 2007


Yes, middle of the pack really "sucks". The season still has a long way to go.

Yes, they SUCK ! NYCFC is a FREE MLS academy with every resource at their fingertips, players, coaches, feilds, etc. Compare NYCFC U17 (2002/2003) to any of the Red Bulls teams of the past or even their own previous U17 and current U19 team. Looking at all that and the standings the only answer is they SUCK ! The reasons I will leave to you

NYCFC 04S ALSO SUCKS .

This is very intersating. NYCFC has had and continues to have success with their inaugural team. Every other team is struggling.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/20/18 12:28 PM

Question - best DA for 2006/2007
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/20/18 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

England B-team makin a bloody clinic against the US
The US is so far behind
This England kid Sancho is better then Pulisic and Weah



easy killer - i think that us team has like 30 caps combined and average age like 20 so lots to learn.

and we quickly forget the 1-1 tie vs france's a-team pre WC.





What you think is wrong..... The US starting 11 had more caps combined then England’s starting 11. So you also have lots to learn

And you must have also quickly forgot the US not qualifying out of CONCACAF to even go to the WC

But yes one of your children plays for a so called Academy team and is a star
Right Killer ??


ok dude. and guzan has 60 of those caps and brings the average age of the squad up by 1 year by himself, but sure, go ahead and make an ad hominem attack to prove your point.





Witty are we... even without Guzans caps still more for US
Ok dude.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/20/18 03:58 PM

and like i said let's ignore the 1-1 tie vs the starting a team for france from 5 months ago - a us team with an average of 7.6 caps (skewed by wood's 36, rest averaged 4.6) that the us was leading thru 77 minutes versus the world cup winner. so we can agree to disagree that the us program is collapsing based on this one observation - or just come back here in 6 hours and lament our loss to italy as the end of us soccer as we know it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/20/18 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
and like i said let's ignore the 1-1 tie vs the starting a team for france from 5 months ago - a us team with an average of 7.6 caps (skewed by wood's 36, rest averaged 4.6) that the us was leading thru 77 minutes versus the world cup winner. so we can agree to disagree that the us program is collapsing based on this one observation - or just come back here in 6 hours and lament our loss to italy as the end of us soccer as we know it.





So theatrical ..... fools like you don’t get it. We have 3-4 major sports above soccer in the US. We are never winning the WC. Reality is China or an Asian country will win before this country . Just look at the Olympics I’m not saying near future but 4-5 WC’s from now they will have better chance
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/20/18 09:37 PM

that was some BS stoppage time. 4 minutes? no excuses for US, but did not deserve that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
that was some BS stoppage time. 4 minutes? no excuses for US, but did not deserve that.

Your avin A tin barf incha, dat was wot you call a 1 nill thrashing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 03:36 AM

MetOval U17 beat NYCFC U17 3-0 (Frendly game)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Question - best DA for 2006/2007


Answer? Wait another year or two. Make sure he's at a quality club with quality coaching. Give it a little more time make sure he's not only got the skills but also the personal drive. Middle school is a big talent separator.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
MetOval U17 beat NYCFC U17 3-0 (Frendly game)

When and where ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 01:58 PM

Sounds like your making an excuse about stoppage time. They were outclassed Score should have been worse
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 02:21 PM

Yesterday at MetOval
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yesterday at MetOval

met oval u17 totally dominated the game from the first whistle. lots of players on NYCFC that are clearly not top level players,and should not be playing at that level. politics can get you on the roster but can and will never get you the result.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 05:23 PM

worst showing I've ever seen from a MLS club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
worst showing I've ever seen from a MLS club.


That's really embarrassing . The only good teams at NYCFC are 07-06-05
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 06:12 PM

I guess your kid got cut. They hardly dominated, scored off of miscues.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 06:57 PM

Pathetic that MO parents come on here to rave about a friendly. Those games don't count. Gives a coach the opportunity to try new things and give players more playing time that don't get it. Yet you parents have to share this friendly news with the world. How about that brilliant 7-1 loss to Montreal Impact or the 4-0 loss to Empire United in games that actually count? You proud of that also?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
worst showing I've ever seen from a MLS club.


And i guess you are a scout for MLS academy teams? Please. They played, it was not NYCFC's day; live it up, little johnny beat an MLS academy, you are only denigrating your son's teams' accomplishment by trashing NYCFC. But that is probably the self hating side of you coming out; probably take it on your poor son too; just remember, he has had it tough already, he has to live and be raised by a no-talent blowhard.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 07:14 PM

3-0 but could be 5/6, doesn’t count but is a game. MO U17 now all Roster is available and you can see 5-2 to Westchester 3-0 to NYCFC (all 2002 players was there except for one player).
Montreal is another level for evernot only for MO.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 10:17 PM

What happened to MO in the other scrimmage with the other half of the rosters
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/21/18 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Pathetic that MO parents come on here to rave about a friendly. Those games don't count. Gives a coach the opportunity to try new things and give players more playing time that don't get it. Yet you parents have to share this friendly news with the world. How about that brilliant 7-1 loss to Montreal Impact or the 4-0 loss to Empire United in games that actually count? You proud of that also?

Met Oval parents don't realize that beating NYCFC's U17 is nothing to brag about. Weak players and poor coaching all round. 7th place team vs 9th place team, bottom of the barrel. The most interesting thing at Met Oval is watching former ODP coach Ralph Pascarella kiss everyone ass . He did it at the NY Cosmos and used his political connection (Chris Armas) to kiss his way into NYCFC. Now he's all over Met Oval. I love all you kiss ass dad's. Father coaches, "Sporting Directors", DOC's all trying to pave the way for their kid. The NY DA is the most political league I've ever seen. This is the reason why there isn't one NY U17 academy team in playoff contention.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/22/18 02:28 AM

MO got totally outclassed in the other u17 scrimmage
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/22/18 02:32 AM

Met Oval. NYCFC. All ridiculous in the bigger picture. These kids are 16 and none of them from either club are going anywhere of note because this country blows at developing players from the crucial ages starting at 16/17 and up.

For the vast majority in this area a commitment to play at a high level all the way through the DA is a good way to help them get into college. And that's the end of the road for 99.9999999 of them.

That applies no matter what team a kid is on--MLS or not. Look at NYCFC. Eight college commitments from the 01s. One kid is going to Penn, just like an 01 kid from Met Oval that isn't even playing DA because Met Oval doesn't have U18/19 DA.

If your kid is really bloody serious about making a go of it in football and wants to be a professional, they'd better get the hell out of the USA to play or the odds are so stacked against them because of the situation here. That is a fact. Again, no matter if your kid plays MLS academy or not. Nearly everyone's ending up in the same place in the end: playing terrible NCAA soccer.

Much respect to the kids who have the cojones to go to Denmark, Sweden or, even yes Liverpool (like one BWG player did) as a teen to make a go of it in places where the pressure is real and you can't fake it.

The DA here is complete BS in the scheme of things. Don't fall for the idea it's anything else.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/22/18 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
MO got totally outclassed in the other u17 scrimmage


who did MO play?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/22/18 02:05 PM

Nycfc. There were 2 scrimmages
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/22/18 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Question - best DA for 2006/2007

Redbulls or PDA- both solid
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/22/18 05:59 PM

NYCFC U 18/19 team are in first place.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/23/18 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval. NYCFC. All ridiculous in the bigger picture. These kids are 16 and none of them from either club are going anywhere of note because this country blows at developing players from the crucial ages starting at 16/17 and up.

For the vast majority in this area a commitment to play at a high level all the way through the DA is a good way to help them get into college. And that's the end of the road for 99.9999999 of them.

That applies no matter what team a kid is on--MLS or not. Look at NYCFC. Eight college commitments from the 01s. One kid is going to Penn, just like an 01 kid from Met Oval that isn't even playing DA because Met Oval doesn't have U18/19 DA.

If your kid is really bloody serious about making a go of it in football and wants to be a professional, they'd better get the hell out of the USA to play or the odds are so stacked against them because of the situation here. That is a fact. Again, no matter if your kid plays MLS academy or not. Nearly everyone's ending up in the same place in the end: playing terrible NCAA soccer.

Much respect to the kids who have the cojones to go to Denmark, Sweden or, even yes Liverpool (like one BWG player did) as a teen to make a go of it in places where the pressure is real and you can't fake it.

The DA here is complete BS in the scheme of things. Don't fall for the idea it's anything else.



Amen. My kid worked so hard to get to this point and it hardly seems worth it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/23/18 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Question - best DA for 2006/2007

Redbulls or PDA- both solid


BWG all way
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/23/18 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval. NYCFC. All ridiculous in the bigger picture. These kids are 16 and none of them from either club are going anywhere of note because this country blows at developing players from the crucial ages starting at 16/17 and up.

For the vast majority in this area a commitment to play at a high level all the way through the DA is a good way to help them get into college. And that's the end of the road for 99.9999999 of them.

That applies no matter what team a kid is on--MLS or not. Look at NYCFC. Eight college commitments from the 01s. One kid is going to Penn, just like an 01 kid from Met Oval that isn't even playing DA because Met Oval doesn't have U18/19 DA.

If your kid is really bloody serious about making a go of it in football and wants to be a professional, they'd better get the hell out of the USA to play or the odds are so stacked against them because of the situation here. That is a fact. Again, no matter if your kid plays MLS academy or not. Nearly everyone's ending up in the same place in the end: playing terrible NCAA soccer.

Much respect to the kids who have the cojones to go to Denmark, Sweden or, even yes Liverpool (like one BWG player did) as a teen to make a go of it in places where the pressure is real and you can't fake it.

The DA here is complete BS in the scheme of things. Don't fall for the idea it's anything else.



Amen. My kid worked so hard to get to this point and it hardly seems worth it.


Yeah look nothing wrong with working hard. Just have perspective what it is. No need to put cold water on a kid's dream. It's their show not ours anyway. Just understand for yourself that the DA is a glorified rec league in the grand scheme of soccer. And that NCAA soccer is even worse than the DA!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/23/18 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I guess your kid got cut. They hardly dominated, scored off of miscues.

typical of a nycfc parent to say that. it was probably you kid that god beat when they scored. The bottom line is that a feeder club should not destroy NYCFC like they did. and the first game yes NYCFC did control most of the game even though they were losing scoring in the last seconds to draw the game is pretty pathetic for a MLS club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/23/18 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Question - best DA for 2006/2007

Redbulls or PDA- both solid


BWG all way

Dirty untalented players with great hair cuts
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/23/18 05:46 PM

NYCFC dominated the first game which they won, not a draw. If u r gonna post at least state the truth. MO was the better team in the 2nd game but far from dominating, typical from a parent of a kid who can’t make it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/24/18 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval. NYCFC. All ridiculous in the bigger picture. These kids are 16 and none of them from either club are going anywhere of note because this country blows at developing players from the crucial ages starting at 16/17 and up.

For the vast majority in this area a commitment to play at a high level all the way through the DA is a good way to help them get into college. And that's the end of the road for 99.9999999 of them.

That applies no matter what team a kid is on--MLS or not. Look at NYCFC. Eight college commitments from the 01s. One kid is going to Penn, just like an 01 kid from Met Oval that isn't even playing DA because Met Oval doesn't have U18/19 DA.

If your kid is really bloody serious about making a go of it in football and wants to be a professional, they'd better get the hell out of the USA to play or the odds are so stacked against them because of the situation here. That is a fact. Again, no matter if your kid plays MLS academy or not. Nearly everyone's ending up in the same place in the end: playing terrible NCAA soccer.

Much respect to the kids who have the cojones to go to Denmark, Sweden or, even yes Liverpool (like one BWG player did) as a teen to make a go of it in places where the pressure is real and you can't fake it.

The DA here is complete BS in the scheme of things. Don't fall for the idea it's anything else.



Amen. My kid worked so hard to get to this point and it hardly seems worth it.


Yeah look nothing wrong with working hard. Just have perspective what it is. No need to put cold water on a kid's dream. It's their show not ours anyway. Just understand for yourself that the DA is a glorified rec league in the grand scheme of soccer. And that NCAA soccer is even worse than the DA!


Went to go see some local D1 college teams play. Also took the opportunity to visit a few college coaches and watch their teams with the hope of appearing interested in their schools. It's true, they're all terrible. Seems like kick and run, but with slightly more talented players than DA. Occasionally, one will stumble upon the truly exceptional player. But being surrounded by mediocrity drowns out talent. Same in DA. Anyway, my kid sure as hell is not good enough to go abroad, so it is what it is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/24/18 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval. NYCFC. All ridiculous in the bigger picture. These kids are 16 and none of them from either club are going anywhere of note because this country blows at developing players from the crucial ages starting at 16/17 and up.

For the vast majority in this area a commitment to play at a high level all the way through the DA is a good way to help them get into college. And that's the end of the road for 99.9999999 of them.

That applies no matter what team a kid is on--MLS or not. Look at NYCFC. Eight college commitments from the 01s. One kid is going to Penn, just like an 01 kid from Met Oval that isn't even playing DA because Met Oval doesn't have U18/19 DA.r

If your kid is really bloody serious about making a go of it in football and wants to be a professional, they'd better get the hell out of the USA to play or the odds are so stacked against them because of the situation here. That is a fact. Again, no matter if your kid plays MLS academy or not. Nearly everyone's ending up in the same place in the end: playing terrible NCAA soccer.

Much respect to the kids who have the cojones to go to Denmark, Sweden or, even yes Liverpool (like one BWG player did) as a teen to make a go of it in places where the pressure is real and you can't fake it.

The DA here is complete BS in the scheme of things. Don't fall for the idea it's anything else.



Amen. My kid worked so hard to get to this point and it hardly seems worth it.


Yeah look nothing wrong with working hard. Just have perspective what it is. No need to put cold water on a kid's dream. It's their show not ours anyway. Just understand for yourself that the DA is a glorified rec league in the grand scheme of soccer. And that NCAA soccer is even worse than the DA!


Went to go see some local D1 college teams play. Also took the opportunity to visit a few college coaches and watch their teams with the hope of appearing interested in their schools. It's true, they're all terrible. Seems like kick and run, but with slightly more talented players than DA. Occasionally, one will stumble upon the truly exceptional player. But being surrounded by mediocrity drowns out talent. Same in DA. Anyway, my kid sure as hell is not good enough to go abroad, so it is what it is.


Best quote :being surrounded by mediocrity drowns out talent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/24/18 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]



Best quote :being surrounded by mediocrity drowns out talent.



Which is really the issue when it comes to DA and pro or NT level talent. They need something different (and much more frequent) than what a typical CA program and competition can give them. USSF only cares about those top players and the other several thousands are practice cones that make travel logistic work and line clubs' pockets. Some people are ok with that. Maybe they don't have another good club option near them or their HS sucks. But many do have other options. Take a look at where many DA kids end up - often enough it's in programs they could have without DA. Only true studs and foreign players are landing at the top programs.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/24/18 11:05 PM

Nothing has changed. It's the wrong model....coaching talent spread too thin. Put all our eggs in a few large cities.... we will get better results.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/25/18 12:20 AM

Seems that BWG it’s preparing their parents by lowering expectations and telling them that the DA teams are all the same thing and winning or loosing is irrelevant
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/25/18 02:46 AM

i know it's a boys thread but pretty funny that BWG girls continue to get thrown out of tournaments due to overage players. You boys may want to take a look at that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/25/18 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC U 18/19 team are in first place.

The only good team NYCFC have.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/25/18 02:48 PM

NYCFC won the first game VS MO (2003) last second
Second game MetOval can score at least 5 goals!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/25/18 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Seems that BWG it’s preparing their parents by lowering expectations and telling them that the DA teams are all the same thing and winning or loosing is irrelevant


Oh the "We're not winning but we're developing" line? Is it possible to do both. It doesn't have to be all the time but some of the time yes. Losing games should at least be competitive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/25/18 06:55 PM

NYCFC 03’s ran circles around MO and the MO team was mostly 02’s. MO scored off a mishit cross with the help of the wind. MO goalies had a lot of help from the post. MO were the better team in the other scrimmage, but Saying it should’ve been 5-0 is an exaggeration From a typical MO parent or coach
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 03’s ran circles around MO and the MO team was mostly 02’s. MO scored off a mishit cross with the help of the wind. MO goalies had a lot of help from the post. MO were the better team in the other scrimmage, but Saying it should’ve been 5-0 is an exaggeration From a typical MO parent or coach


Sorry but any MLS team shouldn’t loose any game
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 01:07 AM

It’s a scrimmage and means nothing except to u cause your kid got cut. Get over it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 10:51 AM

LMAO, guess your kid was one of the many teams that lost to BWG 2007. Dirty untalented gets you a NY CUP CHAMPIONSHIP top flight and undefeated for the past 2 yrs. All you needed to do is just ask where those great haircuts come from, they’ll tell you. What a joke you are!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 12:36 PM

and little jack plays 90 min .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 03’s ran circles around MO and the MO team was mostly 02’s. MO scored off a mishit cross with the help of the wind. MO goalies had a lot of help from the post. MO were the better team in the other scrimmage, but Saying it should’ve been 5-0 is an exaggeration From a typical MO parent or coach


Sorry but any MLS team shouldn’t loose any game


Why not? Not all top players can get to an MLS team. Not all top coaches are at MLS clubs. Some MLS clubs are poorly managed (aka NE Revs). If DA is just MLS clubs then all the rest then why have all the rest? If non MLS clubs can't give competitive games it's no wonder some MLS teams want to leave DA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 03’s ran circles around MO and the MO team was mostly 02’s. MO scored off a mishit cross with the help of the wind. MO goalies had a lot of help from the post. MO were the better team in the other scrimmage, but Saying it should’ve been 5-0 is an exaggeration From a typical MO parent or coach


Sorry but any MLS team shouldn’t loose any game


Why not? Not all top players can get to an MLS team. Not all top coaches are at MLS clubs. Some MLS clubs are poorly managed (aka NE Revs). If DA is just MLS clubs then all the rest then why have all the rest? If non MLS clubs can't give competitive games it's no wonder some MLS teams want to leave DA.


Yeah, to do what, play in the highly watered down EDP or NPL leagues? MLS teams must be superior to regular DAs like Met Oval that lose games 7-1 to MLS teams, though the next option would be to play the likes of Barcelona NY and win 14-0. What' the NE Revolution for instance going to do for competition? Closest MLS team to them is still a 3-4 hour ride. Most other MLS teams they would need to fly to. DA is the best option MLS teams have until there are far more pro teams fielding free academies, and I mean pro teams at USL on other lower levels. Though those teams wouldn't afford to invest in a free academy when they can barely pay their own players. There are non DAs that could beat DAs on a given day, just like there are non mls DAs that can beat MLS DAs on a given day. BTW, they have the same in Europe where professional youth clubs compete against non professional clubs and lose at times. I read somewhere that there's even a relegation system there since there are so so many teams. We don't even have relegation at the professional level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 04:43 PM

would like to see any DA teams 2005 have a friendly vs Brooklyn Italians 2005
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Question - best DA for 2006/2007

Redbulls or PDA- both solid


BWG all way


LMAO, guess your kid was one of the many teams that lost to BWG 2007. Dirty untalented gets you a NY CUP CHAMPIONSHIP top flight and undefeated for the past 2 yrs. All you needed to do is just ask where those great haircuts come from, they’ll tell you. What a joke you are!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 03’s ran circles around MO and the MO team was mostly 02’s. MO scored off a mishit cross with the help of the wind. MO goalies had a lot of help from the post. MO were the better team in the other scrimmage, but Saying it should’ve been 5-0 is an exaggeration From a typical MO parent or coach


Sorry but any MLS team shouldn’t loose any game


Why not? Not all top players can get to an MLS team. Not all top coaches are at MLS clubs. Some MLS clubs are poorly managed (aka NE Revs). If DA is just MLS clubs then all the rest then why have all the rest? If non MLS clubs can't give competitive games it's no wonder some MLS teams want to leave DA.


Yeah, to do what, play in the highly watered down EDP or NPL leagues? MLS teams must be superior to regular DAs like Met Oval that lose games 7-1 to MLS teams, though the next option would be to play the likes of Barcelona NY and win 14-0. What' the NE Revolution for instance going to do for competition? Closest MLS team to them is still a 3-4 hour ride. Most other MLS teams they would need to fly to. DA is the best option MLS teams have until there are far more pro teams fielding free academies, and I mean pro teams at USL on other lower levels. Though those teams wouldn't afford to invest in a free academy when they can barely pay their own players. There are non DAs that could beat DAs on a given day, just like there are non mls DAs that can beat MLS DAs on a given day. BTW, they have the same in Europe where professional youth clubs compete against non professional clubs and lose at times. I read somewhere that there's even a relegation system there since there are so so many teams. We don't even have relegation at the professional level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NYCFC 03’s ran circles around MO and the MO team was mostly 02’s. MO scored off a mishit cross with the help of the wind. MO goalies had a lot of help from the post. MO were the better team in the other scrimmage, but Saying it should’ve been 5-0 is an exaggeration From a typical MO parent or coach


Sorry but any MLS team shouldn’t loose any game


Why not? Not all top players can get to an MLS team. Not all top coaches are at MLS clubs. Some MLS clubs are poorly managed (aka NE Revs). If DA is just MLS clubs then all the rest then why have all the rest? If non MLS clubs can't give competitive games it's no wonder some MLS teams want to leave DA.


Yeah, to do what, play in the highly watered down EDP or NPL leagues? MLS teams must be superior to regular DAs like Met Oval that lose games 7-1 to MLS teams, though the next option would be to play the likes of Barcelona NY and win 14-0. What' the NE Revolution for instance going to do for competition? Closest MLS team to them is still a 3-4 hour ride. Most other MLS teams they would need to fly to. DA is the best option MLS teams have until there are far more pro teams fielding free academies, and I mean pro teams at USL on other lower levels. Though those teams wouldn't afford to invest in a free academy when they can barely pay their own players. There are non DAs that could beat DAs on a given day, just like there are non mls DAs that can beat MLS DAs on a given day. BTW, they have the same in Europe where professional youth clubs compete against non professional clubs and lose at times. I read somewhere that there's even a relegation system there since there are so so many teams. We don't even have relegation at the professional level.


Looking at the MLS Academies throughout the Country, yes…they do better but not that much better. Granted, there is a correlation with the MLS Academies being the “better teams” but there appears to be an even stronger correlation with the programs that are FREE!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]


Looking at the MLS Academies throughout the Country, yes…they do better but not that much better. Granted, there is a correlation with the MLS Academies being the “better teams” but there appears to be an even stronger correlation with the programs that are FREE!


all the MLS programs are free except for D.C. non mls teams are supposed to reduce their fees, with some doing a better job at that than others. In theory if a team is free then they should be able to only have the best players, not just those who can afford to play. At most non MLS clubs it becomes more about who can afford to play. The better players want and should move to MLS clubs. Who doesn't want to play for free, train with top coaches, be affiliated with a pro club? It's also where USSF wants the top players to go and where they take the vast majority of their NT picks from
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/26/18 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]


Looking at the MLS Academies throughout the Country, yes…they do better but not that much better. Granted, there is a correlation with the MLS Academies being the “better teams” but there appears to be an even stronger correlation with the programs that are FREE!


all the MLS programs are free except for D.C. non mls teams are supposed to reduce their fees, with some doing a better job at that than others. In theory if a team is free then they should be able to only have the best players, not just those who can afford to play. At most non MLS clubs it becomes more about who can afford to play. The better players want and should move to MLS clubs. Who doesn't want to play for free, train with top coaches, be affiliated with a pro club? It's also where USSF wants the top players to go and where they take the vast majority of their NT picks from


Absolutely correct. This was the stated goal 10-11 years ago. The premier academies are game fodder.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/27/18 04:13 AM

I have a nephew who plays on an MLS Academy and the interesting thing is that they have to work on a new tactical task, individually or as a team, every week. Then they are encouraged to apply the new tactical approach in that weekends game. A lot of times this is what causes the MLS Academy teams to falter. I'm sure that is also what happens in Europe when the non-pro academy teams beat the pro-academies. It's just a different agenda and mentality for these MLS Academies. The non MLS DA team just wants to be able to say they beat an MLS team. The MLS DA team is just trying to work on developmental tasks while under intense pressure from a team that just cares about the win. The fact that the MLD teams win most of the time under these conditions is impressive enough for me
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/27/18 04:43 AM

We all know what the problems facing these DAs are. It's been talked to death on this thread - poor coaches, parents, the whole youth soccer model in the US, etc. - and yet, here we are - still vying to get our kids on the "top" teams, talking trash about whether MO or NYCFC is better at this age or that (as if it matters at all). Bottom line - all but the few - those who stand out amongst the swaths of mediocrity - will benefit. The rest of us are stuck, hoping against hope, that something will come of this sacrifice, knowing full well nothing will. My advice - just enjoy the games. The final whistle will being blowing sooner than you think.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/27/18 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We all know what the problems facing these DAs are. It's been talked to death on this thread - poor coaches, parents, the whole youth soccer model in the US, etc. - and yet, here we are - still vying to get our kids on the "top" teams, talking trash about whether MO or NYCFC is better at this age or that (as if it matters at all). Bottom line - all but the few - those who stand out amongst the swaths of mediocrity - will benefit. The rest of us are stuck, hoping against hope, that something will come of this sacrifice, knowing full well nothing will. My advice - just enjoy the games. The final whistle will being blowing sooner than you think.

reality ! great post.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 02:00 AM

This is why the DA will soon cease to exist and MLS will start their own national youth program.

The MLS clubs are running a "soccer" business and making investments for the long term. So they can develop players according to a longer-term plan. In the DA you have many non-MLS clubs in the DA that are running a "money" business, so their main objective is to post wins, market and advertise the wins and raise their fees.

So the USSF DA program and the "money" business clubs in the DA are on one side of this equation (the USSF DA leaders makes no differentiation in their program between "money" and "soccer" businesses which is a severe flaw in the program) and MLS is on the other side.

Since this dynamic can't last forever, the MLS will soon launch their own youth national program and the DA program as we know it will come to an end. It will be replaced by more player ID / training center sessions in the main population centers. The USSF will now be relegated to searching for top talent outside of the MLS league while the MLS program sends their best players to youth national team camps.

You heard it hear first. The USSF DA as we know it will disappear in two years. The 2019/20 season could be the last one. And once the boys program comes to an end, the girls DA will start to fade away. I can see the Girls DA ending up three age groups at best = U15, 16/17 & U18/19, but once the MLS programs add girls, the girls DA will disappear as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We all know what the problems facing these DAs are. It's been talked to death on this thread - poor coaches, parents, the whole youth soccer model in the US, etc. - and yet, here we are - still vying to get our kids on the "top" teams, talking trash about whether MO or NYCFC is better at this age or that (as if it matters at all). Bottom line - all but the few - those who stand out amongst the swaths of mediocrity - will benefit. The rest of us are stuck, hoping against hope, that something will come of this sacrifice, knowing full well nothing will. My advice - just enjoy the games. The final whistle will being blowing sooner than you think.

reality ! great post.


Awesome, spoken like quintessential losers!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We all know what the problems facing these DAs are. It's been talked to death on this thread - poor coaches, parents, the whole youth soccer model in the US, etc. - and yet, here we are - still vying to get our kids on the "top" teams, talking trash about whether MO or NYCFC is better at this age or that (as if it matters at all). Bottom line - all but the few - those who stand out amongst the swaths of mediocrity - will benefit. The rest of us are stuck, hoping against hope, that something will come of this sacrifice, knowing full well nothing will. My advice - just enjoy the games. The final whistle will being blowing sooner than you think.

reality ! great post.


Awesome, spoken like quintessential losers!


Glad to hear you and your son are such "winners". And without meaning to, you proved one of my points which is that parents, and more specifically, parents like you, are a major part of the problem. You do not see what is right in front of your face either out of ignorance or willful blindness. I'm sure it provides you with unending joy to bore your friends and coworkers to death with tales of your son's accomplishments. No matter, soon enough you will realize that you were the fool all along.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
We all know what the problems facing these DAs are. It's been talked to death on this thread - poor coaches, parents, the whole youth soccer model in the US, etc. - and yet, here we are - still vying to get our kids on the "top" teams, talking trash about whether MO or NYCFC is better at this age or that (as if it matters at all). Bottom line - all but the few - those who stand out amongst the swaths of mediocrity - will benefit. The rest of us are stuck, hoping against hope, that something will come of this sacrifice, knowing full well nothing will. My advice - just enjoy the games. The final whistle will being blowing sooner than you think.

reality ! great post.


Awesome, spoken like quintessential losers!


Glad to hear you and your son are such "winners". And without meaning to, you proved one of my points which is that parents, and more specifically, parents like you, are a major part of the problem. You do not see what is right in front of your face either out of ignorance or willful blindness. I'm sure it provides you with unending joy to bore your friends and coworkers to death with tales of your son's accomplishments. No matter, soon enough you will realize that you were the fool all along.


To late, my nephew is playing for FC Nantes. Now please return to the loser's corner where you belong. Sad, people like you would have crushed his dreams. Go back to your pathetic little life, loser.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 01:19 PM

This is a soccer thread not a preaching pulpit. If u have nothing to speak of about soccer gonoreach to your flock elsewhere.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a soccer thread not a preaching pulpit. If u have nothing to speak of about soccer gonoreach to your flock elsewhere.


Exactly, if Met Oval sucked at the beginning of the season and now they're beating all New York Academy teams, then isn't that proof that Met Oval is developing? Good for Met Oval, and I'm sure the other local clubs like Gottschee, Westchester, NY Soccer Club and Cedar Stars will not go quietly into the night, they will step up their game. When they eventually do, then isn't that good for youth soccer in the New York/New Jersey area? Isn't that the goal of the USSDA? By the way, there is no such thing as a friendly when players are fighting to keep or fighting for a starting position. They NYCFC v Met Oval game was real.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is a soccer thread not a preaching pulpit. If u have nothing to speak of about soccer gonoreach to your flock elsewhere.


Exactly, if Met Oval sucked at the beginning of the season and now they're beating all New York Academy teams, then isn't that proof that Met Oval is developing? Good for Met Oval, and I'm sure the other local clubs like Gottschee, Westchester, NY Soccer Club and Cedar Stars will not go quietly into the night, they will step up their game. When they eventually do, then isn't that good for youth soccer in the New York/New Jersey area? Isn't that the goal of the USSDA? By the way, there is no such thing as a friendly when players are fighting to keep or fighting for a starting position. They NYCFC v Met Oval game was real.

which age are you talking about ? did MO and NYCFC have a friendly?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 04:29 PM

Any word of a DA boys program coming to Long Island for Fall 2019. I figure Cosmos done after this Spring.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 04:41 PM

The scrimmage was far from real. Nycfc had 11 players no subs for both scrimmages. In the first scrimmage nycfc 03’s soundly beat the MO team if mostly 02’s. 2nd scrimmage MO was the better team but also had subs. We understand your need to build this up but don’t get it twisted.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is why the DA will soon cease to exist and MLS will start their own national youth program.

The MLS clubs are running a "soccer" business and making investments for the long term. So they can develop players according to a longer-term plan. In the DA you have many non-MLS clubs in the DA that are running a "money" business, so their main objective is to post wins, market and advertise the wins and raise their fees.

So the USSF DA program and the "money" business clubs in the DA are on one side of this equation (the USSF DA leaders makes no differentiation in their program between "money" and "soccer" businesses which is a severe flaw in the program) and MLS is on the other side.

Since this dynamic can't last forever, the MLS will soon launch their own youth national program and the DA program as we know it will come to an end. It will be replaced by more player ID / training center sessions in the main population centers. The USSF will now be relegated to searching for top talent outside of the MLS league while the MLS program sends their best players to youth national team camps.

You heard it hear first. The USSF DA as we know it will disappear in two years. The 2019/20 season could be the last one. And once the boys program comes to an end, the girls DA will start to fade away. I can see the Girls DA ending up three age groups at best = U15, 16/17 & U18/19, but once the MLS programs add girls, the girls DA will disappear as well.



I have heard rumors of the MLS clubs breaking away. I thought it would be done through the boys DA, but this makes much more sense. US Soccer is a mess right now. They need to focus more on their National teams and should not be so concerned with the Academy program. The girls side is a complete disaster, I doubt they will survive the next season here in the East Coast.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This is why the DA will soon cease to exist and MLS will start their own national youth program.

The MLS clubs are running a "soccer" business and making investments for the long term. So they can develop players according to a longer-term plan. In the DA you have many non-MLS clubs in the DA that are running a "money" business, so their main objective is to post wins, market and advertise the wins and raise their fees.

So the USSF DA program and the "money" business clubs in the DA are on one side of this equation (the USSF DA leaders makes no differentiation in their program between "money" and "soccer" businesses which is a severe flaw in the program) and MLS is on the other side.

Since this dynamic can't last forever, the MLS will soon launch their own youth national program and the DA program as we know it will come to an end. It will be replaced by more player ID / training center sessions in the main population centers. The USSF will now be relegated to searching for top talent outside of the MLS league while the MLS program sends their best players to youth national team camps.

You heard it hear first. The USSF DA as we know it will disappear in two years. The 2019/20 season could be the last one. And once the boys program comes to an end, the girls DA will start to fade away. I can see the Girls DA ending up three age groups at best = U15, 16/17 & U18/19, but once the MLS programs add girls, the girls DA will disappear as well.



This is an interesting story based on nothing but supposition that literally is contradicted by the fact that USSF has expanded DA since inception (including 16 clubs and 70 teams in this season alone).

Here are some facts:

- There are 153 U12 clubs. There are 13 U12 MLS clubs
- There are 127 U14 clubs. There are 17 U14 MLS clubs
- There are 82 U16/17 clubs. There are 20 U16/17 MLS clubs
- There are 79 U18/19 clubs. There are 20 U18/19 MLS clubs

In the U16/17 Fall standings, in 6 out of 7 divisions there are 2 non-MLS clubs in the top 3.

So if DA will soon cease to exist - who will the DA teams play? And where will they recruit from? Your premise is that MLS teams will remove themselves from a competitive league and spend *more* money to set up fanciful "ID/training centers" for recruiting? Not to mention the extra money they will have to spend on travel expenses (and good luck getting U12s to travel like MLS teams just to get games)? Why would they do that when they are leveraged by the non-MLS teams, and with the new "open" dates in 18/19 have plenty of opportunities to schedule friendlies against whoever they want.

I dunno man, making blanket statements like all 153 U12 clubs are only interested in posting wins and raising fees undermines any credibility for your hypothesis.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 07:02 PM

in the above, "So if DA will soon cease to exist - who will the DA teams play?" should say "So if DA will soon cease to exist - who will the MLS teams play?". I regret the error.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 08:01 PM

The more likely to happen rumor is the MLS clubs split off and do their own thing OR they're pushing to create a two tier system with promotion and relegation under USSF. Top teams, many of them MLS, are tired of blowout games against weak competitors. As they're footing the entire bill for player development I don't blame them for wanting a change. Playing weak teams does nothing for their players. Both scenarios would create more travel (like there isn't enough already)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The more likely to happen rumor is the MLS clubs split off and do their own thing OR they're pushing to create a two tier system with promotion and relegation under USSF. Top teams, many of them MLS, are tired of blowout games against weak competitors. As they're footing the entire bill for player development I don't blame them for wanting a change. Playing weak teams does nothing for their players. Both scenarios would create more travel (like there isn't enough already)


So I tried to dig into this data. I took the current standings of the U16/17 teams and quickly crunched the #s

Teams GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
MLS 20 178 103 51 24 333 419 276 143 1.83
Non-MLS 62 534 203 255 76 685 867 1010 -143 1.28

So the non-MLS teams have a losing record and 0.55 fewer points per game. Interestingly, the goal differential average per game played for MLS teams is 0.8 and for non-MLS is -0.3. So, contrary to the above MLS teams are, on average, not having blowout games.

Then I cut the data at the top half of each division (rounding up - i.e. if 11 teams, take top 6)

Teams GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
MLS 14 132 89 26 17 284 354 169 185 2.15
Non-MLS 29 244 136 77 31 439 492 339 153 1.78

This dropped nearly 1/3 of MLS teams, but over 2/3 of non-MLS teams. Both "squads" have winning records, while the Pts/GP differential narrowed to 0.37. However, the goal differential for MLS increased to 1.4 per game played, while for non-MLS increased to 0.6.

For grins, I took the top 3 from each division:

Teams GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
MLS 8 76 60 8 8 188 228 77 151 2.48
Non-MLS 13 117 74 27 16 238 259 152 107 2.05

So we've eliminated 60% of MLS teams and *80%* of non-MLS teams. These MLS teams are having blowout games (nearly 2 goals per game differential) and almost 2.5 pts per game (to put in context Man City averaged 2.6 points per game and a 2.1 goal differential per game last season).

Admittedly this is a small sample size (average games played per team is just under 9) and I only realized I could download last seasons results... I'll leave that to another day so I can stop this work break!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/28/18 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
in the above, "So if DA will soon cease to exist - who will the DA teams play?" should say "So if DA will soon cease to exist - who will the MLS teams play?". I regret the error.

The MLS clubs do not need the DA. Not sure the DA will fold with out them but it will not be as strong
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/29/18 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
in the above, "So if DA will soon cease to exist - who will the DA teams play?" should say "So if DA will soon cease to exist - who will the MLS teams play?". I regret the error.

The MLS clubs do not need the DA. Not sure the DA will fold with out them but it will not be as strong


Again, who will they play against? Will children be spending hours on a bus or plane every weekend so MLS teams can play against each other?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/29/18 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The scrimmage was far from real. Nycfc had 11 players no subs for both scrimmages. In the first scrimmage nycfc 03’s soundly beat the MO team if mostly 02’s. 2nd scrimmage MO was the better team but also had subs. We understand your need to build this up but don’t get it twisted.


Soundly, wasn't the score of the first game 2-1? If that is a sound win, how would you describe the second game that was a 3-0 win? Correct me if I'm wrong mate but my friend's son played in that first game and he says the Met Oval Team was a mixture of 02-03 EDP players and a few 02 Academy players?

Most people would say there is a lot of good talent coming out of the New York City area and the MLS Academies do a formidable job at developing talent. Remember last year in the Generation Adidas Cup? There, the MLS Academies did extraordinary well and even beat top clubs like Real Madrid? So maybe, the problem isn't the MLS and their Academies? Maybe the real problem is College Soccer? What if College Soccer was a year long season, so it could mimic a Division 3 or a Division 4 league where the managers had actual time to really develop players? Cramming 20 + games in three months is archaic?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/29/18 04:22 AM

Yes soundly. Outside of the midhit cross MO didn’t pass midfield and they had 8-9 02’s out there. MY friends son does play there and provided that info. Do most teams play real games with no subs. I think not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/29/18 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The more likely to happen rumor is the MLS clubs split off and do their own thing OR they're pushing to create a two tier system with promotion and relegation under USSF. Top teams, many of them MLS, are tired of blowout games against weak competitors. As they're footing the entire bill for player development I don't blame them for wanting a change. Playing weak teams does nothing for their players. Both scenarios would create more travel (like there isn't enough already)


So I tried to dig into this data. I took the current standings of the U16/17 teams and quickly crunched the #s

Teams GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
MLS 20 178 103 51 24 333 419 276 143 1.83
Non-MLS 62 534 203 255 76 685 867 1010 -143 1.28

So the non-MLS teams have a losing record and 0.55 fewer points per game. Interestingly, the goal differential average per game played for MLS teams is 0.8 and for non-MLS is -0.3. So, contrary to the above MLS teams are, on average, not having blowout games.

Then I cut the data at the top half of each division (rounding up - i.e. if 11 teams, take top 6)

Teams GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
MLS 14 132 89 26 17 284 354 169 185 2.15
Non-MLS 29 244 136 77 31 439 492 339 153 1.78

This dropped nearly 1/3 of MLS teams, but over 2/3 of non-MLS teams. Both "squads" have winning records, while the Pts/GP differential narrowed to 0.37. However, the goal differential for MLS increased to 1.4 per game played, while for non-MLS increased to 0.6.

For grins, I took the top 3 from each division:

Teams GP W L T Pts GF GA GD Pts/GP
MLS 8 76 60 8 8 188 228 77 151 2.48
Non-MLS 13 117 74 27 16 238 259 152 107 2.05

So we've eliminated 60% of MLS teams and *80%* of non-MLS teams. These MLS teams are having blowout games (nearly 2 goals per game differential) and almost 2.5 pts per game (to put in context Man City averaged 2.6 points per game and a 2.1 goal differential per game last season).

Admittedly this is a small sample size (average games played per team is just under 9) and I only realized I could download last seasons results... I'll leave that to another day so I can stop this work break!




The correlation maybe MLS teams, but the causation might be it's a FREE program? In addition, are your numbers more reflective that the MLS Academies are better at developing players or is it a better weeding out process whereby they are simply attracting better players and more committed parents willing to drive two hours to practice?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/29/18 01:55 PM

The parents commitment doesn’t make players better. The MLS Academies get the better players because US Soccer tells players that get invited to the “national Training centers” that they should go to an MLS Academy. US soccer wants the top talent to play at the MLS academies so they can lock them in with homegrown contracts. Example Pulisic wouldn’t sign with MLS club so he can pursue Europe, Reyna didn’t sign homegrown so he can pursue Europe. They are trying to lick these kids in at low prices so they can cash in if the player develops. If homegrown was a great option I would think Claudio Reyna would have done that with his son.

It has been in the works for years now to tier the DA teams. Top tier MLS clubs + top free programs tier 2 pay to play. They have also discussed a Pro/rel for the non MLS clubs. That means if a non MLS club does poor in the standings they get dropped to 2nd tier. If an MLS team does poor in the standings they get to pick players from the teams that were better than them.

If US Soccer continues to live in this MLS bubble our national team will never succeed. Players develop by being challenged not put into a bubble and protected.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/29/18 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The parents commitment doesn’t make players better. The MLS Academies get the better players because US Soccer tells players that get invited to the “national Training centers” that they should go to an MLS Academy. US soccer wants the top talent to play at the MLS academies so they can lock them in with homegrown contracts. Example Pulisic wouldn’t sign with MLS club so he can pursue Europe, Reyna didn’t sign homegrown so he can pursue Europe. They are trying to lick these kids in at low prices so they can cash in if the player develops. If homegrown was a great option I would think Claudio Reyna would have done that with his son.

It has been in the works for years now to tier the DA teams. Top tier MLS clubs + top free programs tier 2 pay to play. They have also discussed a Pro/rel for the non MLS clubs. That means if a non MLS club does poor in the standings they get dropped to 2nd tier. If an MLS team does poor in the standings they get to pick players from the teams that were better than them.

If US Soccer continues to live in this MLS bubble our national team will never succeed. Players develop by being challenged not put into a bubble and protected.


They'd be better off trying to get top players abroad as quickly as possible, even if for short stints. They should be encouraging that path, not trying to hinder it. The Revs - not one of MLS' best and brightest obviously - cut an NT player for training in Europe over the winter break.

Aside from the travel, a tiered system makes sense. Hopefully it isn't just MLS in Tier 1 but some non MLS as well. However, the problem is for the tier 2 clubs you they're now like any other league but with restrictions. You've lost a big part of the DA draw, which is playing the nation's top teams/MLS teams. They might have to drop the HS restriction just to help keep players in the system. Then the top players can move up to Tier 1 teams as part of a feeder system.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/29/18 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They'd be better off trying to get top players abroad as quickly as possible, even if for short stints. They should be encouraging that path, not trying to hinder it. The Revs - not one of MLS' best and brightest obviously - cut an NT player for training in Europe over the winter break.

Aside from the travel, a tiered system makes sense. Hopefully it isn't just MLS in Tier 1 but some non MLS as well. However, the problem is for the tier 2 clubs you they're now like any other league but with restrictions. You've lost a big part of the DA draw, which is playing the nation's top teams/MLS teams. They might have to drop the HS restriction just to help keep players in the system. Then the top players can move up to Tier 1 teams as part of a feeder system.


So I dug into the data some more last night. As a baseball fan I immediately began thinking of Bill James's "Pythagorean Theorem of Baseball", which relates runs differential to win percentage. Of course, baseball doesn't have ties, but luckily someone else did the hard work of translating that to soccer (see https://statsbomb.com/2016/04/improving-soccers-version-of-the-bill-james-pythagorean/)

I used the soccer version and fitted the 2017-18 U16/17 final results (the theorem has excellent predictive power). In summary across all teams, the MLS teams scored 1.8 pts/gm, and had a +0.9 GD/gm. Non-MLS squads were 1.3 and -0.3 respectively. Interestingly, when applying the Pythag to the goal differentials, the MLS teams had a expectation of capturing 65% of available points, while the non-MLS teams were at 45%. This isn't a "win percentage" per se (because you can get points for not winning) but the relative spread, 20%, is important.

When I cut this down to playoff teams, the 20 MLS teams were cut to 14 with a pythag % of 73%, while the 58 non-MLS were cut down to 18 with a pythag % of 63% (10% spread).

Looking at just the top 3 per division, you have 12 MLS teams at 75% and 9 non-MLS at 68%, or 7% spread.

So what's the conclusion? There are a lot of bad non-MLS teams. Across 7 divisions, there are only 2 MLS teams in the bottom 3 meaning 19 non-MLS teams. There are 34 non-MLS teams with negative goal differential, while only 3 MLS teams. There are 10 non-MLS teams with GD of < -1 goal per game, with only 1 MLS team.

However, there are also some very good non-MLS teams. Once you cut to the top 50%, you get 16 MLS teams and 25 non-MLS. The Pts/GM is 2.0 and 1.7 respectively, while the GD/gm is 1.3 and 0.5 respectively. In the broadly defined Northeast you wind up with Montreal Impact FC , New York City FC, BW Gottschee Academy, Oakwood Soccer Club, FC Greater Boston Bolts, New York Red Bulls, Philadelphia Union, Baltimore Armour, Players Development Academy, D.C. United and PA Classics. That's not a terrible spread - definitely more travel than current, but not crazy.

I went into this seeking to analyze the MLS and non-MLS performance spread. The conclusion I reach is that (a) the DA is more competitive than people give it credit. Sure there are some poor teams, but that happens everywhere. I do not put any credence into the "MLS breakaway". The MLS teams enjoy a virtually free farm system through the non-MLS teams. Also, (b) tiering or pro/rel is definitely in the future. How can USSF achieve this when teams change, programs change, etc? I really have no idea.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/30/18 02:27 AM

Like I said, the Boys DA is going to disappear. Round one was just dropped on all DA clubs. The Boys U12 age group is gone after this season ends
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/30/18 05:37 AM

NYCFC played without subs? Ahahahah
At least NYCFC during the second game had 3 subs, and on the first game MO was 03 with 4 02.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/30/18 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like I said, the Boys DA is going to disappear. Round one was just dropped on all DA clubs. The Boys U12 age group is gone after this season ends


Can you share where you saw this announcement ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/30/18 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like I said, the Boys DA is going to disappear. Round one was just dropped on all DA clubs. The Boys U12 age group is gone after this season ends

Don't know about the entire DA, but the part about the U12 age group being eliminated is accurate, and it makes sense for a variety of reasons. Have not seen any public announcement from USSDA yet, but DA clubs have been notified.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/30/18 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like I said, the Boys DA is going to disappear. Round one was just dropped on all DA clubs. The Boys U12 age group is gone after this season ends

Don't know about the entire DA, but the part about the U12 age group being eliminated is accurate, and it makes sense for a variety of reasons. Have not seen any public announcement from USSDA yet, but DA clubs have been notified.


That is true and copies of the memo are circulating around the interwebs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/30/18 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like I said, the Boys DA is going to disappear. Round one was just dropped on all DA clubs. The Boys U12 age group is gone after this season ends

Don't know about the entire DA, but the part about the U12 age group being eliminated is accurate, and it makes sense for a variety of reasons. Have not seen any public announcement from USSDA yet, but DA clubs have been notified.


It’s true about the 12’s. I saw the email from US Soccer last night
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 11/30/18 04:23 PM

DA at U12 was and is stupid. Until the majority of players have reached puberty it's almost impossible to judge which players are really at the top of the pyramid. Better to have them develop locally/semi-locally at that age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/01/18 12:45 AM

Here is letter from US Youth Soccer CEO detailing the decision by USSF to drop DA at U12: USYS CEO Letter U12 DA Eliminated He's urging USYS' state associations to go and get the impacted clubs/teams. Heard rumors that this is payback from Cordeiro to state associations, who want to fill the vacum and gather more fee$ Undoubtedly, there is some political/economic reason for this, rather than some legitimate soccer development reason. US soccer is just corrupt to the core.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/01/18 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like I said, the Boys DA is going to disappear. Round one was just dropped on all DA clubs. The Boys U12 age group is gone after this season ends

Don't know about the entire DA, but the part about the U12 age group being eliminated is accurate, and it makes sense for a variety of reasons. Have not seen any public announcement from USSDA yet, but DA clubs have been notified.


It’s true about the 12’s. I saw the email from US Soccer last night


Does the U12s disappearing point to U16/17 being split?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/01/18 03:13 AM

No. It points to the elimination of the DA. The MLS youth academies will slowly replace the DA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/01/18 04:35 AM

And little jack score at the showcase in FL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/01/18 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Like I said, the Boys DA is going to disappear. Round one was just dropped on all DA clubs. The Boys U12 age group is gone after this season ends

Don't know about the entire DA, but the part about the U12 age group being eliminated is accurate, and it makes sense for a variety of reasons. Have not seen any public announcement from USSDA yet, but DA clubs have been notified.


It’s true about the 12’s. I saw the email from US Soccer last night


Does the U12s disappearing point to U16/17 being split?


That will happen. Clubs want to keep their revenue stream and USSF wants to retain market share
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/01/18 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And little jack score at the showcase in FL


And play 90 minutes and play two years up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/01/18 06:17 PM

So many questions. The NYCFC U12 DA team was the only free U12 in the city, right? Will that go away? I assume NYCFC will still have their affiliate league, so what’s the impact on local kids if any?

Can anyone post the email that went out from ISSDA?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/01/18 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So many questions. The NYCFC U12 DA team was the only free U12 in the city, right? Will that go away? I assume NYCFC will still have their affiliate league, so what’s the impact on local kids if any?

Can anyone post the email that went out from ISSDA?


Dear Academy Clubs,

U.S. Soccer created the Development Academy in 2007 following a comprehensive review of elite player development in the United States and around the world. At that time, the Academy Program was launched for male players in the U-15 to U-18 age groups. In 2013, the Academy expanded direct influence to include the U-13/14 age group, improving the everyday learning environments for younger players by bringing them in line with the Development Academy philosophy, based on international standards. Then, in 2016, the Academy expanded to include Zone 1 and help Clubs create better environments for developing younger players. To that end, U.S. Soccer introduced the Player Development Initiatives (PDI) simultaneous to the U-12 Academy launch, to help spread uniform, age-appropriate standards to impact player development nation-wide. Together, they set the benchmark and provided the example for all Clubs and leagues countrywide to achieve U.S. Soccer uniform standards.

Since its introduction, here’s some of what the Academy U-12 program has provided to impact the development of players, coaches and Clubs:

Created age-appropriate programming, training and game environments
Streamlined individual players’ learning pathways
Improved the quality of coaching for younger players by extending minimum coaching license requirements—B licenses for coaches and A licenses for Directors
Altered focus from team to individual player development within Clubs and created flexible player pools instead of teams
Shifted focus away from a results-driven philosophy
Increased training frequency (3x/week minimum) and promoted fewer, more meaningful games
Applied age-appropriate standards and philosophy to training and games
Focused on local environments, reducing and limiting travel
Unified player development initiatives and standards across the country
Provided safe and enjoyable soccer environments built on respect and positive encouragement from players, coaches, parents, and fans
The U-12 program expanded the Academy influence to players and Clubs at younger ages. Now, we believe that the time is right to empower and support Clubs and Members across the country to operate standards-based programming. The Academy Clubs have shown a commitment to this collective effort to improve environments, and in many cases have already expanded the philosophy to additional non-Academy teams and ages within their Clubs. In addition, Members have also taken steps to adopt PDI’s. We are confident that the initiative can continue to grow as needed without direct programming hosted or organized by U.S. Soccer or the Development Academy.

Therefore, in the fall of 2019, the Development Academy will no longer operate U-12 programming, and we will begin the transition to a decentralized U-12 initiative led by Clubs and Members. This will allow for more direct management of Zone 1 player needs, while continuing to meet Academy philosophy and standards. Currently, 3,870 players participate in Academy standards-based environments. We want this number to continue to grow through Member influence on the landscape, and to positively impact hundreds of thousands of players. Additionally, we hope that organizing Zone 1 programming in your local communities will limit travel and costs for players and parents, so the players can spend more time on the field.

Beginning in 2019-20, it will no longer be an option for U-12-only Clubs to participate in DA programming. However, U-12 Clubs remain an integral part of the player development pathway. Your efforts to develop and identify individual Zone 1 players are critically important to ensuring they can reach their full potential. Developing affiliations and partnerships with full Academy Clubs or Professional Clubs will help us achieve our collective goal of creating the best possible environments for the development of world-class players.

As part of our Mission to improve everyday environments for all athletes, we will continue to support Clubs and Members through our newly created Club Development department. We believe the time is right for Clubs and Members to take control of their environments and take ownership of the U-12 age group as part of Zone 1 programming. Together, we will continue to create the best environments for player development now and in the future.

We expect Clubs and Competitions to continue to uphold the following Zone 1 programming principles and initiatives:

Adopt and commit to the Player Development Initiative philosophy, focusing on the individual development of players
Be the example in your community—establish partner and affiliate Clubs for cooperation and collaboration
Emphasize training and positive learning environments
Provide all players with meaningful minutes, focusing on development, not results
Ensure every player plays in at least 50% of game minutes each game
Longer periods of playing time and less frequent interruptions to benefit player development
Accelerate learning by allowing teams to move players up or down based on physical needs and/or relative age to appropriately challenge a player
All club constituents (parents, coaches, support staff, etc.) are expected to play a role in creating a supportive and positive environment for training and games
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact the Development Academy.

Thank you,

U.S. Soccer Develop Academy
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/02/18 06:58 PM

What news about the Florida showcase
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/02/18 08:03 PM

Wow - that US Soccer "explanation" for cutting the BDA U12 is just complete crap. They are not even trying. How does, "begin[ing] the transition to a decentralized U-12 initiative led by Clubs and Members. This will allow for more direct management of Zone 1 player needs, while continuing to meet Academy philosophy and standards," advance US soccer development more than keeping the U12 DA?? No academy makes it easier to "continue to meet Academy philosophy and standards?" LOL

This just screams political payback to state associations or some other BS political/monetary considerations that have absolutely nothing to do with improving soccer or soccer development in the US.

And to the people who think we shouldn't have had a U12 academy - I hear what you are saying and if US soccer actually had a "plan" to improve U12 soccer by removing the academy, that could have been a good thing. No one is saying U12 academy is critical or crucial or essential, but when you eliminate it with no plan at all, it's not a good thing.

US soccer and the US soccer "system" is just a total joke. And the powers that be that control it (MLS/SUM cartel), don't care at all because they just care about their little monopoly and raking in cash. It's pathetic.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/02/18 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow - that US Soccer "explanation" for cutting the BDA U12 is just complete crap. They are not even trying. How does, "begin[ing] the transition to a decentralized U-12 initiative led by Clubs and Members. This will allow for more direct management of Zone 1 player needs, while continuing to meet Academy philosophy and standards," advance US soccer development more than keeping the U12 DA?? No academy makes it easier to "continue to meet Academy philosophy and standards?" LOL

This just screams political payback to state associations or some other BS political/monetary considerations that have absolutely nothing to do with improving soccer or soccer development in the US.

And to the people who think we shouldn't have had a U12 academy - I hear what you are saying and if US soccer actually had a "plan" to improve U12 soccer by removing the academy, that could have been a good thing. No one is saying U12 academy is critical or crucial or essential, but when you eliminate it with no plan at all, it's not a good thing.

US soccer and the US soccer "system" is just a total joke. And the powers that be that control it (MLS/SUM cartel), don't care at all because they just care about their little monopoly and raking in cash. It's pathetic.


Ha hah hah hah......LOL..... what joke. Hey US soccer, just focus on the millions of kids in NYC/NJ / Chicago / LA / Miami / St. Louis / Philly to supplement what the academies are doing an call it a day....we will get more out of it. NYC/NJ alone should be enough. How does Belgium do it!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/02/18 11:20 PM

It is baffling. I thought the point of the PDI was to drive standardization down to the youngest levels. The DA is far from perfect, but we’ve had a couple of good U17 NT cycles in a row. Why go backwards?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/02/18 11:51 PM

Throw in Dallas and this may actually have some merit. We just don’t have the depth of quality coaches to support 150+ DAs.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/02/18 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is baffling. I thought the point of the PDI was to drive standardization down to the youngest levels. The DA is far from perfect, but we’ve had a couple of good U17 NT cycles in a row. Why go backwards?


“We are very excited to expand and introduce the Academy structure and philosophy to the U-12 age group when players are in their peak learning years,” said U.S. Soccer Youth Technical Director Tab Ramos. “That age represents a critical stage in a player’s growth, and this move represents another important step in our expanded efforts to improve elite player development."

What a waste of time. Go back to regional play and focus on finding better coaches....better yet, find better scouts.
Posted By: Falcon

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Throw in Dallas and this may actually have some merit. We just don’t have the depth of quality coaches to support 150+ DAs.


Yep. Include Dallas. More focus and better use of resources. Better coaching and scouting....stop making 11 year olds and their families were themselves out driving, trading and blowing money on hotels and food. Turns a lot of players away.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 04:09 AM

Oh get over it. DA at that age means nothing. It’s more for parents to brag.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is baffling. I thought the point of the PDI was to drive standardization down to the youngest levels. The DA is far from perfect, but we’ve had a couple of good U17 NT cycles in a row. Why go backwards?


“We are very excited to expand and introduce the Academy structure and philosophy to the U-12 age group when players are in their peak learning years,” said U.S. Soccer Youth Technical Director Tab Ramos. “That age represents a critical stage in a player’s growth, and this move represents another important step in our expanded efforts to improve elite player development."

What a waste of time. Go back to regional play and focus on finding better coaches....better yet, find better scouts.


the Us12 program isn't even that old. USSF doesn't know what it's doing. My money is on them splitting the u17s into two age groups for next year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh get over it. DA at that age means nothing. It’s more for parents to brag.


Yes, that may be the case but my son was actually looking forward to the U12 tryouts in May-June 2019. It was actually a goal he had been working on and know we need to plan how to best utilize the next 48 months of club play and supplemental training.

IMO, as an educator, I find one major flaw with the elimination of the age group. I compare the U12's to remedial college courses because high schools are pushing out unpolished products. The U12 age group can be equated to getting the players up to speed for the rigors of academy play. In essence, the elimination might actually make the system weaker because the orientation process will now fall onto the U14 coaches, and as such, training milestones will be reached later on in the developmental ladder. Also, I can't believe the academies will be satisfied with what the clubs are producing because they already have a demonstrated distaste for all things not DA with their high school ban. USSDA want me to believe that U12 club soccer is better then HS soccer even though both play in leagues that have a huge disparity between strong and weak teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 02:33 PM

once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 02:43 PM

Laughable, in the academy the turnover of players year in and year out is high. So the so call”orientation “ process is always going on. The best thing about DA is hopefully it’s free. The training may not be as good as a club teams. They don’t train to the individual needs of the kid. And they’re always looking for better kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


ridiculous sick.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


ridiculous sick.
c

just accept it that's the way it is .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 07:56 PM

anyone hear the results of the DeAndre Yedlin case in front of the FIFA DRC regarding solidarity payments to Crossfire? Is one way we get any traction for real development at the youth level to actually compensate youth clubs for development like most every other club in the world. when DA eliminates all the younger age groups (HT to the poster who had this insight) I don't think MLS teams will fill the breach completely, *but* the incentive for training compensation for clubs could provide a boost for affiliate programs to create a rigorous pipeline to funnel their best to the MLS (I realize it's only a couple 1000/year for younger ages but every bit helps).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


ridiculous sick.
c

just accept it that's the way it is .

paul real piece of [****]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh get over it. DA at that age means nothing. It’s more for parents to brag.


Yes, that may be the case but my son was actually looking forward to the U12 tryouts in May-June 2019. It was actually a goal he had been working on and know we need to plan how to best utilize the next 48 months of club play and supplemental training.

IMO, as an educator, I find one major flaw with the elimination of the age group. I compare the U12's to remedial college courses because high schools are pushing out unpolished products. The U12 age group can be equated to getting the players up to speed for the rigors of academy play. In essence, the elimination might actually make the system weaker because the orientation process will now fall onto the U14 coaches, and as such, training milestones will be reached later on in the developmental ladder. Also, I can't believe the academies will be satisfied with what the clubs are producing because they already have a demonstrated distaste for all things not DA with their high school ban. USSDA want me to believe that U12 club soccer is better then HS soccer even though both play in leagues that have a huge disparity between strong and weak teams.




11 year olds don't need to be playing academy soccer. There is plenty of time. What is the rush?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow - that US Soccer "explanation" for cutting the BDA U12 is just complete crap. They are not even trying. How does, "begin[ing] the transition to a decentralized U-12 initiative led by Clubs and Members. This will allow for more direct management of Zone 1 player needs, while continuing to meet Academy philosophy and standards," advance US soccer development more than keeping the U12 DA?? No academy makes it easier to "continue to meet Academy philosophy and standards?" LOL

This just screams political payback to state associations or some other BS political/monetary considerations that have absolutely nothing to do with improving soccer or soccer development in the US.

And to the people who think we shouldn't have had a U12 academy - I hear what you are saying and if US soccer actually had a "plan" to improve U12 soccer by removing the academy, that could have been a good thing. No one is saying U12 academy is critical or crucial or essential, but when you eliminate it with no plan at all, it's not a good thing.

US soccer and the US soccer "system" is just a total joke. And the powers that be that control it (MLS/SUM cartel), don't care at all because they just care about their little monopoly and raking in cash. It's pathetic.


Ha hah hah hah......LOL..... what joke. Hey US soccer, just focus on the millions of kids in NYC/NJ / Chicago / LA / Miami / St. Louis / Philly to supplement what the academies are doing an call it a day....we will get more out of it. NYC/NJ alone should be enough. How does Belgium do it!!!


Belgium does it by having a professional league with promotion and relegation, having soccer as their number one sport and a major part of the culture, and by being in the European Union. Look at map -- they have borders with major soccer powers. Hate to break it to you but in countries like Belgium there is no pay to play so everybody has access to a soccer club and, get this, the best athletes play. And nobody gives a crap about what 11 year olds are doing. They start giving a crap around u15, maybe u13.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 08:57 PM

Somebody asked how does Belgium do it? Kids there actually play pick up soccer and play soccer at recess. They don't need fancy pants pay to play U12 academies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh get over it. DA at that age means nothing. It’s more for parents to brag.


Yes, that may be the case but my son was actually looking forward to the U12 tryouts in May-June 2019. It was actually a goal he had been working on and know we need to plan how to best utilize the next 48 months of club play and supplemental training.

IMO, as an educator, I find one major flaw with the elimination of the age group. I compare the U12's to remedial college courses because high schools are pushing out unpolished products. The U12 age group can be equated to getting the players up to speed for the rigors of academy play. In essence, the elimination might actually make the system weaker because the orientation process will now fall onto the U14 coaches, and as such, training milestones will be reached later on in the developmental ladder. Also, I can't believe the academies will be satisfied with what the clubs are producing because they already have a demonstrated distaste for all things not DA with their high school ban. USSDA want me to believe that U12 club soccer is better then HS soccer even though both play in leagues that have a huge disparity between strong and weak teams.




11 year olds don't need to be playing academy soccer. There is plenty of time. What is the rush?


I agree they don'[t need the cost and travel, but they do need better training.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Somebody asked how does Belgium do it? Kids there actually play pick up soccer and play soccer at recess. They don't need fancy pants pay to play U12 academies.


In addition, Europe's condensed geography along with the high concentration of soccer clubs make it easy to play quality teams all the time - with almost no travel and minimal cost. We have a vast geography and not a lot of quality clubs. Another reason not to have 11 year olds being driven all over and be trained with garbage coaches
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh get over it. DA at that age means nothing. It’s more for parents to brag.


Yes, that may be the case but my son was actually looking forward to the U12 tryouts in May-June 2019. It was actually a goal he had been working on and know we need to plan how to best utilize the next 48 months of club play and supplemental training.

IMO, as an educator, I find one major flaw with the elimination of the age group. I compare the U12's to remedial college courses because high schools are pushing out unpolished products. The U12 age group can be equated to getting the players up to speed for the rigors of academy play. In essence, the elimination might actually make the system weaker because the orientation process will now fall onto the U14 coaches, and as such, training milestones will be reached later on in the developmental ladder. Also, I can't believe the academies will be satisfied with what the clubs are producing because they already have a demonstrated distaste for all things not DA with their high school ban. USSDA want me to believe that U12 club soccer is better then HS soccer even though both play in leagues that have a huge disparity between strong and weak teams.




11 year olds don't need to be playing academy soccer. There is plenty of time. What is the rush?


I agree they don'[t need the cost and travel, but they do need better training.



See the prior poster. They don't need better training, they need to play pick up seven times a week and not have to be driven to a trainer before they kick a ball. Training should be supplemental.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/03/18 11:05 PM

But training is not "supplemental" for the best 11 and 12 year-olds in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe. All of the professional clubs have teams down at the U12 level and even younger. Now because of promotion/relegation and the investment clubs make in players, the training is largely free, but it is highly competitive - at U12 and all other age groups. If a boy doesn't measure up one year - they are out and replaced with someone else. While these clubs don't care as much about match results, they do care about development results and if you are not measuring up, you are gone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.


He’s persistent and his mission is to keep this issue visible. But it happens everywhere. It can be a good life lesson for other players. Sometimes the more qualified get passed over for the well-connected. Find a way to standout and make your presence undeniable.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.


He’s persistent and his mission is to keep this issue visible. But it happens everywhere. It can be a good life lesson for other players. Sometimes the more qualified get passed over for the well-connected. Find a way to standout and make your presence undeniable.



The reality is that this kind of thing happens in every aspect of life, not just soccer. It's a tough lesson to learn, especially at a young age but it is indeed something that everyone involved can learn from. You are right about finding a way to standout...its the only way to overcome a situation like this (on the soccer field or in life)....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
But training is not "supplemental" for the best 11 and 12 year-olds in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe. All of the professional clubs have teams down at the U12 level and even younger. Now because of promotion/relegation and the investment clubs make in players, the training is largely free, but it is highly competitive - at U12 and all other age groups. If a boy doesn't measure up one year - they are out and replaced with someone else. While these clubs don't care as much about match results, they do care about development results and if you are not measuring up, you are gone.


Sure they have teams in their "football schools" or "pre-formations" made up of kids with early signs of talent and/or potential, but it doesn't matter that much, because everybody can play somewhere and all good players where be noticed. Nobody is taking their 10 year old too far on a school night for soccer in Europe since there are plenty of other good options. What matters most is where a kid ends up at u15.

Check out the careers of some of the recent World Cup champion players and runners up and note where they played before they finally joined a professional academy and what age they were at the time, it may enlighten you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Somebody asked how does Belgium do it? Kids there actually play pick up soccer and play soccer at recess. They don't need fancy pants pay to play U12 academies.


In addition, Europe's condensed geography along with the high concentration of soccer clubs make it easy to play quality teams all the time - with almost no travel and minimal cost. We have a vast geography and not a lot of quality clubs. Another reason not to have 11 year olds being driven all over and be trained with garbage coaches


They also don't have 12 year olds playing 11 v 11. Most of Europe 11 v 11 starts at U15, which is a two year age group, so they start 11 v 11 when they are U14. It is 8 v 8 for U11 and U13.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.


He’s persistent and his mission is to keep this issue visible. But it happens everywhere. It can be a good life lesson for other players. Sometimes the more qualified get passed over for the well-connected. Find a way to standout and make your presence undeniable.



The reality is that this kind of thing happens in every aspect of life, not just soccer. It's a tough lesson to learn, especially at a young age but it is indeed something that everyone involved can learn from. You are right about finding a way to standout...its the only way to overcome a situation like this (on the soccer field or in life)....


You are right. Just look at what we have in our White House and the nepotism that goes on there. It happens throughout the business community. I see kids of executives from large multinationals being given sweet positions at their competitors and the favors are reciprocated for the children of the competitors' executives to make it look like it's not nepotism. Looking at the initial post, it appears to be from a parent of a former player. I went to look at the team's roster and there are no positions listed for any player. No idea how many mids they have but this person somehow knows. I do see the little kid starting every game.

I also see Saunders kid starting every game though he wasn't getting those looks with his former teams. This kid played every minute of every game in the showcase, even in the last game where they were playing against the worst academy team in the country that had never won or even tied a game. That team has a -50 goal differential!! MO won 8-1 but did not sit little Saunders for a second to give his teammates an opportunity to score against a weak opponent. Met Oval was showcasing little Saunders at the expense of his teammates. The kids scored in the 79th minute of a 6-1 game. Why did he need to be playing then when he had already played all the minutes of the prior two games? At Westchester the former owner's son started every game and played every minute and then went to Yale to play soccer. It stinks when you don't have those benefits but that's life. You have him push harder and hope that you can do what you can for your kid if the chance arises. Almost any parent would and does.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
But training is not "supplemental" for the best 11 and 12 year-olds in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe. All of the professional clubs have teams down at the U12 level and even younger. Now because of promotion/relegation and the investment clubs make in players, the training is largely free, but it is highly competitive - at U12 and all other age groups. If a boy doesn't measure up one year - they are out and replaced with someone else. While these clubs don't care as much about match results, they do care about development results and if you are not measuring up, you are gone.


Elsewhere in the world better quality coaches are in abundance, along with coaches who used to play professionally and know the game. Iceland, for example, got all it's coaches UEFA A or B licensed and they coach from U5 and up. Here in the US our younger players are trained by well meaning parent volunteers, many of who never even played the game, or a college player with a low level license looking to make some beer money. Even in DA there are coaches that don't meet USSF requirements for licensure.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But training is not "supplemental" for the best 11 and 12 year-olds in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe. All of the professional clubs have teams down at the U12 level and even younger. Now because of promotion/relegation and the investment clubs make in players, the training is largely free, but it is highly competitive - at U12 and all other age groups. If a boy doesn't measure up one year - they are out and replaced with someone else. While these clubs don't care as much about match results, they do care about development results and if you are not measuring up, you are gone.


Elsewhere in the world better quality coaches are in abundance, along with coaches who used to play professionally and know the game. Iceland, for example, got all it's coaches UEFA A or B licensed and they coach from U5 and up. Here in the US our younger players are trained by well meaning parent volunteers, many of who never even played the game, or a college player with a low level license looking to make some beer money. Even in DA there are coaches that don't meet USSF requirements for licensure.


The population of Iceland is about the same as the Town of Oyster Bay on Long Island. If Oyster Bay received money from UEFA and the USG I'm sure they could have fields and UEFA A licensed coaches in abundance.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But training is not "supplemental" for the best 11 and 12 year-olds in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe. All of the professional clubs have teams down at the U12 level and even younger. Now because of promotion/relegation and the investment clubs make in players, the training is largely free, but it is highly competitive - at U12 and all other age groups. If a boy doesn't measure up one year - they are out and replaced with someone else. While these clubs don't care as much about match results, they do care about development results and if you are not measuring up, you are gone.


Elsewhere in the world better quality coaches are in abundance, along with coaches who used to play professionally and know the game. Iceland, for example, got all it's coaches UEFA A or B licensed and they coach from U5 and up. Here in the US our younger players are trained by well meaning parent volunteers, many of who never even played the game, or a college player with a low level license looking to make some beer money. Even in DA there are coaches that don't meet USSF requirements for licensure.


This is a good point. And from what I understand it is expensive to get the licenses in the USA.

USSF is mess.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 05:30 PM

MO is a joke. They lost to a team that had 0 wins until Florida
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But training is not "supplemental" for the best 11 and 12 year-olds in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe. All of the professional clubs have teams down at the U12 level and even younger. Now because of promotion/relegation and the investment clubs make in players, the training is largely free, but it is highly competitive - at U12 and all other age groups. If a boy doesn't measure up one year - they are out and replaced with someone else. While these clubs don't care as much about match results, they do care about development results and if you are not measuring up, you are gone.


Elsewhere in the world better quality coaches are in abundance, along with coaches who used to play professionally and know the game. Iceland, for example, got all it's coaches UEFA A or B licensed and they coach from U5 and up. Here in the US our younger players are trained by well meaning parent volunteers, many of who never even played the game, or a college player with a low level license looking to make some beer money. Even in DA there are coaches that don't meet USSF requirements for licensure.


This is a good point. And from what I understand it is expensive to get the licenses in the USA.

USSF is mess.

Not just very expensive, there are very few A and B level courses and the USSF only gives slots in these courses to preferred coaches i.e. largely USSF DA coaches only. Yes, just another example of the complete corrupt [****] that is the USSF.

Also, let's not forget that having a license does not mean anything at all. My son has had class A licensed coaches this year and last year. This year's coach is wonderful. Last year's coach was a complete f---ing disaster. Besides being a complete jerk who yelled all the time, to the extent this coach coached at all - it was kick and run. Although he did send out some complete BS e-mails that talked about possession and "phases of play," his actual coaching and instructions were largely boot it, chase and work harder, etc. So A license just means you took a bunch of courses, not that you are a good coach.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 08:13 PM



So do we agree we should be doing whatever they are doing in better quality football nations? Like England or Germany?

In England the youngest a professional academy can sign a child is U9, at that age they sign "schoolboy contracts" (kids must live within 1 hour of the academy). At Ajax in the Netherlands, they start them at 8 year olds or younger. Someone should tell all these football nations that they are doing everything completely wrong according to USSF. By all means roll the DA back into nothingness, get rid of credential requirements, and let local soccer take over completely. Just be fine with it once World Cup and international competitions come around.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But training is not "supplemental" for the best 11 and 12 year-olds in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe. All of the professional clubs have teams down at the U12 level and even younger. Now because of promotion/relegation and the investment clubs make in players, the training is largely free, but it is highly competitive - at U12 and all other age groups. If a boy doesn't measure up one year - they are out and replaced with someone else. While these clubs don't care as much about match results, they do care about development results and if you are not measuring up, you are gone.


Elsewhere in the world better quality coaches are in abundance, along with coaches who used to play professionally and know the game. Iceland, for example, got all it's coaches UEFA A or B licensed and they coach from U5 and up. Here in the US our younger players are trained by well meaning parent volunteers, many of who never even played the game, or a college player with a low level license looking to make some beer money. Even in DA there are coaches that don't meet USSF requirements for licensure.


The population of Iceland is about the same as the Town of Oyster Bay on Long Island. If Oyster Bay received money from UEFA and the USG I'm sure they could have fields and UEFA A licensed coaches in abundance.



Yet Iceland was in the WC and we weren't. A whole lot of other smaller, poorer countries were there as well.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.


Whatever will he do with his time once the kid graduates?
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/04/18 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.


Whatever will he do with his time once the kid graduates?

Paul has been trying for years to get a college coaching job. If that happens he will coach his son in College just like his friend at Siena where he put his older son to be taken care of. Former Gottschee coach Cesar Markovic is the FATHER coach of Siena College. Cesar's son and Paul McGlynn's son also play for the low ranked D1 school who went 5-10-3 this year. Siena was 10-8-2 before the politics began. This is Cesar's SECOND son playing for him at Siena. Cesar will find himself out of a job very soon at this rate. Siena was last in the MAAC Championship in 2012 BEFORE the politics. It's been done hill since then.

Paul's kids keep playing every minute of every game. Paul went from an unemployed house painter to a very rich $$$ youth soccer coach in just a few years. GOOD FOR HIM ! Thanks to all you Gottschee parents who's kids quit soccer before college. His kids go to college for free while no other Gottschee player has received an athletic scholarship in years. Financial aid is all Gottschee kids receive because the parents are now broke.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 12:21 AM

Shame on the USSF for taking the kid on the National team. He’s an avg 03. Have seen may 03’s better than him
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.



The reality is that this kind of thing happens in every aspect of life, not just soccer. It's a tough lesson to learn, especially at a young age but it is indeed something that everyone involved can learn from. You are right about finding a way to standout...its the only way to overcome a situation like this (on the soccer field or in life)....


You are right. Just look at what we have in our White House and the nepotism that goes on there. It happens throughout the business community. I see kids of executives from large multinationals being given sweet positions at their competitors and the favors are reciprocated for the children of the competitors' executives to make it look like it's not nepotism. Looking at the initial post, it appears to be from a parent of a former player. I went to look at the team's roster and there are no positions listed for any player. No idea how many mids they have but this person somehow knows. I do see the little kid starting every game.

I also see Saunders kid starting every game though he wasn't getting those looks with his former teams. This kid played every minute of every game in the showcase, even in the last game where they were playing against the worst academy team in the country that had never won or even tied a game. That team has a -50 goal differential!! MO won 8-1 but did not sit little Saunders for a second to give his teammates an opportunity to score against a weak opponent. Met Oval was showcasing little Saunders at the expense of his teammates. The kids scored in the 79th minute of a 6-1 game. Why did he need to be playing then when he had already played all the minutes of the prior two games? At Westchester the former owner's son started every game and played every minute and then went to Yale to play soccer. It stinks when you don't have those benefits but that's life. You have him push harder and hope that you can do what you can for your kid if the chance arises. Almost any parent would and does.


All these guys are the same.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Shame on the USSF for taking the kid on the National team. He’s an avg 03. Have seen may 03’s better than him


Seriously? Shame on USSF for this one kid? Most of what they do, who they bring in seems to be very subjective. I'll bet that almost no one on this board would agree with the majority of who the USSF picks for the national team. And chances are that all of the boys who are currently on that team will not be on it next year or the year after...maybe a couple...but not most.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.


Whatever will he do with his time once the kid graduates?


Do you mean whatever will the poster who keeps bitching do once he doesn't have this kid to rag on anymore?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.

really? is your kid siting in the bench and this kid playing 90 min? I guess no .
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Somebody asked how does Belgium do it? Kids there actually play pick up soccer and play soccer at recess. They don't need fancy pants pay to play U12 academies.


In addition, Europe's condensed geography along with the high concentration of soccer clubs make it easy to play quality teams all the time - with almost no travel and minimal cost. We have a vast geography and not a lot of quality clubs. Another reason not to have 11 year olds being driven all over and be trained with garbage coaches


They also don't have 12 year olds playing 11 v 11. Most of Europe 11 v 11 starts at U15, which is a two year age group, so they start 11 v 11 when they are U14. It is 8 v 8 for U11 and U13.


I agree on that. the game becomes more about physicality .
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
But training is not "supplemental" for the best 11 and 12 year-olds in Belgium or elsewhere in Europe. All of the professional clubs have teams down at the U12 level and even younger. Now because of promotion/relegation and the investment clubs make in players, the training is largely free, but it is highly competitive - at U12 and all other age groups. If a boy doesn't measure up one year - they are out and replaced with someone else. While these clubs don't care as much about match results, they do care about development results and if you are not measuring up, you are gone.


Elsewhere in the world better quality coaches are in abundance, along with coaches who used to play professionally and know the game. Iceland, for example, got all it's coaches UEFA A or B licensed and they coach from U5 and up. Here in the US our younger players are trained by well meaning parent volunteers, many of who never even played the game, or a college player with a low level license looking to make some beer money. Even in DA there are coaches that don't meet USSF requirements for licensure.


The population of Iceland is about the same as the Town of Oyster Bay on Long Island. If Oyster Bay received money from UEFA and the USG I'm sure they could have fields and UEFA A licensed coaches in abundance.



Yet Iceland was in the WC and we weren't. A whole lot of other smaller, poorer countries were there as well.


I think you missed my point.

size =/= skill (India has yet to play in a world cup)
wealth =/= skill (Qatar, with the 2nd higher GDP/capita, required buying a world cup to play in one)

Most every other nation receives either direct or indirect support from their governments and/or their local and regional federations. UEFA is very richly compensated for their tournaments and distributes this wealth. Croatia benefits from a socialist legacy promoting sport (and phenomenal genetics). Iceland receives support from their government in addition to UEFA riches. The UK is a grist mill of the richest professional clubs.

Unfortunately, we will never have federal support for sport -- instead it's channeled through either our collegiate system, which is great for sports like swimming but terrible for soccer, or state/local funding, which is more concerned with not going bankrupt than funding a soccer development system. What's required is private funding - and just a little bit would make a huge difference (to my Oyster Bay analogy above) - but there's no return on investment available. So we're left with our miserable hybrid of pay-to-play and a thin veneer of pro/NT.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 02:58 PM


I think you missed my point.

size =/= skill (India has yet to play in a world cup)
wealth =/= skill (Qatar, with the 2nd higher GDP/capita, required buying a world cup to play in one)

Most every other nation receives either direct or indirect support from their governments and/or their local and regional federations. UEFA is very richly compensated for their tournaments and distributes this wealth. Croatia benefits from a socialist legacy promoting sport (and phenomenal genetics). Iceland receives support from their government in addition to UEFA riches. The UK is a grist mill of the richest professional clubs.

Unfortunately, we will never have federal support for sport -- instead it's channeled through either our collegiate system, which is great for sports like swimming but terrible for soccer, or state/local funding, which is more concerned with not going bankrupt than funding a soccer development system. What's required is private funding - and just a little bit would make a huge difference (to my Oyster Bay analogy above) - but there's no return on investment available. So we're left with our miserable hybrid of pay-to-play and a thin veneer of pro/NT.
best post . read it people !
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 03:38 PM

Was always skeptical about son playing DA and dropping hs ball. He went to his first showcase this past week. Over 40-50 coaches at each game and he's receiving calls and emails from coaches since returning. That is the benefit of the DA. Wasn't sure about the decision but no more. I find training hit or miss but exposure to college can't be beat and level of play on weekends noticeably higher. Some wonderful players from his old team can be playing DA but they decided against it. Just my 2 cents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was always skeptical about son playing DA and dropping hs ball. He went to his first showcase this past week. Over 40-50 coaches at each game and he's receiving calls and emails from coaches since returning. That is the benefit of the DA. Wasn't sure about the decision but no more. I find training hit or miss but exposure to college can't be beat and level of play on weekends noticeably higher. Some wonderful players from his old team can be playing DA but they decided against it. Just my 2 cents.


The irony is the BDA *is* creating a great path for college, which is great but a dead end for the USMNT, while GDA will struggle precisely because the college path is a great avenue for the USWNT and there is already a HS/club->college pathway. smh.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[snip] What's required is private funding - and just a little bit would make a huge difference (to my Oyster Bay analogy above) - but there's no return on investment available. So we're left with our miserable hybrid of pay-to-play and a thin veneer of pro/NT.
Agreed. But the way to fix this is simple and it's just to follow the rest of the world: 1. Full promotion/relegation pyramid; and 2. Take part in FIFA's training compensation rules. If Brooklyn Italians or the Westchester Flames actually had a pathway to move up the pyramid all the way to Division 1 (currently MLS) and reap the rewards that would entail, they would certainly value players much differently. Further, if they couldn't move up, but could at least receive some sort of compensation if Little Johnny became a pro elsewhere, again it would incentivize clubs to find and develop best players.

Training compensation is currently being litigated in arbitration (Yedlin case) and could be pushed on US soon, but we really need promotion/relegation to get full benefit. Would love for FIFA to push this on US, but given how active US justice department has been with FIFA officials, it seems they don't want to push US soccer too much.

In a better world, US soccer would implement this model. But US soccer is joined at the hip and more importantly the wallet with MLS through their SUM organization. They could care less about growing soccer in the country or developing players. Their complete focus is on maintaining their control over the entirety of US soccer, including their monopoly on Division 1 and maximizing their profits. Sadly, most of the other soccer stakeholders also care more about keeping the gravy train of cash fees coming much more than player development. So this leaves the US as a soccer country in a permanent underachieving and inferior state.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

[snip] What's required is private funding - and just a little bit would make a huge difference (to my Oyster Bay analogy above) - but there's no return on investment available. So we're left with our miserable hybrid of pay-to-play and a thin veneer of pro/NT.
Agreed. But the way to fix this is simple and it's just to follow the rest of the world: 1. Full promotion/relegation pyramid; and 2. Take part in FIFA's training compensation rules. If Brooklyn Italians or the Westchester Flames actually had a pathway to move up the pyramid all the way to Division 1 (currently MLS) and reap the rewards that would entail, they would certainly value players much differently. Further, if they couldn't move up, but could at least receive some sort of compensation if Little Johnny became a pro elsewhere, again it would incentivize clubs to find and develop best players.

Training compensation is currently being litigated in arbitration (Yedlin case) and could be pushed on US soon, but we really need promotion/relegation to get full benefit. Would love for FIFA to push this on US, but given how active US justice department has been with FIFA officials, it seems they don't want to push US soccer too much.

In a better world, US soccer would implement this model. But US soccer is joined at the hip and more importantly the wallet with MLS through their SUM organization. They could care less about growing soccer in the country or developing players. Their complete focus is on maintaining their control over the entirety of US soccer, including their monopoly on Division 1 and maximizing their profits. Sadly, most of the other soccer stakeholders also care more about keeping the gravy train of cash fees coming much more than player development. So this leaves the US as a soccer country in a permanent underachieving and inferior state.


great post
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 05:53 PM

U sound like a Levittown dad.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

[snip] What's required is private funding - and just a little bit would make a huge difference (to my Oyster Bay analogy above) - but there's no return on investment available. So we're left with our miserable hybrid of pay-to-play and a thin veneer of pro/NT.
Agreed. But the way to fix this is simple and it's just to follow the rest of the world: 1. Full promotion/relegation pyramid; and 2. Take part in FIFA's training compensation rules. If Brooklyn Italians or the Westchester Flames actually had a pathway to move up the pyramid all the way to Division 1 (currently MLS) and reap the rewards that would entail, they would certainly value players much differently. Further, if they couldn't move up, but could at least receive some sort of compensation if Little Johnny became a pro elsewhere, again it would incentivize clubs to find and develop best players.

Training compensation is currently being litigated in arbitration (Yedlin case) and could be pushed on US soon, but we really need promotion/relegation to get full benefit. Would love for FIFA to push this on US, but given how active US justice department has been with FIFA officials, it seems they don't want to push US soccer too much.

In a better world, US soccer would implement this model. But US soccer is joined at the hip and more importantly the wallet with MLS through their SUM organization. They could care less about growing soccer in the country or developing players. Their complete focus is on maintaining their control over the entirety of US soccer, including their monopoly on Division 1 and maximizing their profits. Sadly, most of the other soccer stakeholders also care more about keeping the gravy train of cash fees coming much more than player development. So this leaves the US as a soccer country in a permanent underachieving and inferior state.


I keep trying to find out more info on the Yedlin case but have been unsuccessful.

I agree generally; however, given that training compensation is max $2000/year for development from U12 to U16 (i.e. 12-15 y.o.) it won't have a material effect. Additionally, the only clubs where it will have a real effect will be MLS clubs, where they will likely fall under "Category 2" clubs and be compensated $40k/year for every year above 15. That still is likely not a huge motivation. Pro/rel could help, at the margin, but you risk the growth/viability of MLS. Hard to forget that it's only in the last decade or so that we've had a real expansion of both the league and ownership. I do agree that they need to move beyond the incestuous SUM relationship and really consider the monopolistic effect of the "single entity" system. That will have to lead to pro/rel at some point, and the league is getting rich enough to consider the oppression (on development, wages, competition, etc) a monopoly creates.

I am hopeful that some of the newer owners, like Arthur Blank, and the more dynamic ones, like Merritt Paulson, and those with a focus on youth development, like Dell Loy Hansen, push for change in the coming years. However, it's beyond disappointing that US Soccer elected yet another rich technocrat instead of Eric Wynalda or Kyle Martino.
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.


Whatever will he do with his time once the kid graduates?

Paul has been trying for years to get a college coaching job. If that happens he will coach his son in College just like his friend at Siena where he put his older son to be taken care of. Former Gottschee coach Cesar Markovic is the FATHER coach of Siena College. Cesar's son and Paul McGlynn's son also play for the low ranked D1 school who went 5-10-3 this year. Siena was 10-8-2 before the politics began. This is Cesar's SECOND son playing for him at Siena. Cesar will find himself out of a job very soon at this rate. Siena was last in the MAAC Championship in 2012 BEFORE the politics. It's been done hill since then.

Paul's kids keep playing every minute of every game. Paul went from an unemployed house painter to a very rich $$$ youth soccer coach in just a few years. GOOD FOR HIM ! Thanks to all you Gottschee parents who's kids quit soccer before college. His kids go to college for free while no other Gottschee player has received an athletic scholarship in years. Financial aid is all Gottschee kids receive because the parents are now broke.

Paul is home all day laughing while he reads these posts and counts his money. He has done whatever he wants for years and will continue until his son’s career is over. There’s nothing any one can do and US Soccer praises him for it
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.


Whatever will he do with his time once the kid graduates?

Paul has been trying for years to get a college coaching job. If that happens he will coach his son in College just like his friend at Siena where he put his older son to be taken care of. Former Gottschee coach Cesar Markovic is the FATHER coach of Siena College. Cesar's son and Paul McGlynn's son also play for the low ranked D1 school who went 5-10-3 this year. Siena was 10-8-2 before the politics began. This is Cesar's SECOND son playing for him at Siena. Cesar will find himself out of a job very soon at this rate. Siena was last in the MAAC Championship in 2012 BEFORE the politics. It's been done hill since then.

Paul's kids keep playing every minute of every game. Paul went from an unemployed house painter to a very rich $$$ youth soccer coach in just a few years. GOOD FOR HIM ! Thanks to all you Gottschee parents who's kids quit soccer before college. His kids go to college for free while no other Gottschee player has received an athletic scholarship in years. Financial aid is all Gottschee kids receive because the parents are now broke.


I was talking about the poster who can't do anything else but bit*ch about the guy
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


I keep trying to find out more info on the Yedlin case but have been unsuccessful.

I agree generally; however, given that training compensation is max $2000/year for development from U12 to U16 (i.e. 12-15 y.o.) it won't have a material effect. Additionally, the only clubs where it will have a real effect will be MLS clubs, where they will likely fall under "Category 2" clubs and be compensated $40k/year for every year above 15. That still is likely not a huge motivation. Pro/rel could help, at the margin, but you risk the growth/viability of MLS. Hard to forget that it's only in the last decade or so that we've had a real expansion of both the league and ownership. I do agree that they need to move beyond the incestuous SUM relationship and really consider the monopolistic effect of the "single entity" system. That will have to lead to pro/rel at some point, and the league is getting rich enough to consider the oppression (on development, wages, competition, etc) a monopoly creates.

I am hopeful that some of the newer owners, like Arthur Blank, and the more dynamic ones, like Merritt Paulson, and those with a focus on youth development, like Dell Loy Hansen, push for change in the coming years. However, it's beyond disappointing that US Soccer elected yet another rich technocrat instead of Eric Wynalda or Kyle Martino.
As fas as I know, the Yedlin case is still pending with the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland. Saw some speculation on Twitter recently that a decision could happen "soon," but we are still waiting.

I forgot to add the "solidarity payment" part, which is also paid along with the training compensation. That normally adds up to 5% of international transfers - which is why Yedlin's youth teams are seeking $185,000 (5% of his $3.71 million transfer to Tottenham). Not sure which clubs here would be Category 4 ($2,000/yr), Category 3 ($10,000/yr) or Category 2 ($40,000), but presumably in an open system more clubs would move up in categories.

Would love to see a plan to transition to promotion/relegation - Garber used to speak about this "in the future" - but don't think it's going to happen voluntarily from US Soccer. It almost certainly will require FIFA, a Court or (much less likely) the US Government imposing the system on US soccer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]once again little jack plays 270 mins in Florida while kids that should be getting shown to collage scouts sit on the bench. THE GOTTSCHEE WAY!!!!!!! PAY UP SUCKERS TO LOSE AND WATCH MY KID PLAY. Nothing but defenders and strikers on that team with ABSOLUTELY no midfielders to sub off little jack . Paul is the best that has ever done it.
I have no idea why parents except this. Can someone please explain this to me. The faces of those kids on the bench are heart breaking. Don't you parents get it. Paul has no interest in your kid once so ever its all about HIS SON and he clearly proves it to everyone every single game.


OMG get over this already. I can't tell if you are the same poster over and over and over or if there is more than one poster who is always bitching about this topic. We get it. It sucks. But people have chosen to go and play on that team despite knowing full well what was going to happen - it is what it is so please STOP obsessing.



Paul has been trying for years to get a college coaching job. If that happens he will coach his son in College just like his friend at Siena where he put his older son to be taken care of. Former Gottschee coach Cesar Markovic is the FATHER coach of Siena College. Cesar's son and Paul McGlynn's son also play for the low ranked D1 school who went 5-10-3 this year. Siena was 10-8-2 before the politics began. This is Cesar's SECOND son playing for him at Siena. Cesar will find himself out of a job very soon at this rate. Siena was last in the MAAC Championship in 2012 BEFORE the politics. It's been done hill since then.

Paul's kids keep playing every minute of every game. Paul went from an unemployed house painter to a very rich $$$ youth soccer coach in just a few years. GOOD FOR HIM ! Thanks to all you Gottschee parents who's kids quit soccer before college. His kids go to college for free while no other Gottschee player has received an athletic scholarship in years. Financial aid is all Gottschee kids receive because the parents are now broke.


I was talking about the poster who can't do anything else but bit*ch about the guy



Not only does he bitch about the guy constantly he also flat out lies.Plenty of bwg players get athletic scholarships every year. I can prove it simply by pointing out that the big east defensive player of the year this year out of #13 georgetown is a bwg former player and there's another that's playing in the DI final four this week that's an every game freshman starter. Those are just two that obviously have athletic scholarships. Many more.This guy is so obsessed that he follows mcglynn's son to college. Head case. You won't get rid of him and he obviously can't afford a shrink.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/05/18 11:51 PM

McGlynn will never go anywhere else. First of all: Who is going to hire him?he doesn't get along with anyone and he is just an ok coach. Second, at BWG hi is his own boss and makes great money. Even if gottschee loses the academy status he will still have the club, nobody can fire Mcglynn from that position...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/06/18 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


I keep trying to find out more info on the Yedlin case but have been unsuccessful.

I agree generally; however, given that training compensation is max $2000/year for development from U12 to U16 (i.e. 12-15 y.o.) it won't have a material effect. Additionally, the only clubs where it will have a real effect will be MLS clubs, where they will likely fall under "Category 2" clubs and be compensated $40k/year for every year above 15. That still is likely not a huge motivation. Pro/rel could help, at the margin, but you risk the growth/viability of MLS. Hard to forget that it's only in the last decade or so that we've had a real expansion of both the league and ownership. I do agree that they need to move beyond the incestuous SUM relationship and really consider the monopolistic effect of the "single entity" system. That will have to lead to pro/rel at some point, and the league is getting rich enough to consider the oppression (on development, wages, competition, etc) a monopoly creates.

I am hopeful that some of the newer owners, like Arthur Blank, and the more dynamic ones, like Merritt Paulson, and those with a focus on youth development, like Dell Loy Hansen, push for change in the coming years. However, it's beyond disappointing that US Soccer elected yet another rich technocrat instead of Eric Wynalda or Kyle Martino.
As fas as I know, the Yedlin case is still pending with the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland. Saw some speculation on Twitter recently that a decision could happen "soon," but we are still waiting.

I forgot to add the "solidarity payment" part, which is also paid along with the training compensation. That normally adds up to 5% of international transfers - which is why Yedlin's youth teams are seeking $185,000 (5% of his $3.71 million transfer to Tottenham). Not sure which clubs here would be Category 4 ($2,000/yr), Category 3 ($10,000/yr) or Category 2 ($40,000), but presumably in an open system more clubs would move up in categories.

Would love to see a plan to transition to promotion/relegation - Garber used to speak about this "in the future" - but don't think it's going to happen voluntarily from US Soccer. It almost certainly will require FIFA, a Court or (much less likely) the US Government imposing the system on US soccer.


Yeah, but the solidarity payments are more like a lottery ticket that I doubt anyone would place any value on them. On the other hand, unlike training compensation, these payments don't expire at age 23, so there's potential for double or triple dipping (e.g. I don't hear much about payments due to Crossfire for Yedlin's xfer from Tottenham to Newcastle, but presumably $$ would be due there as well?)

However, training compensation seems definitely viable, especially with the MLS teams incentivized to sign cheap young players to pro contracts. Not all MLS players, even homegrown, come all the way thru their academies, so kicking back training compensation for development from U12 & up could have a meaningful impact on non-MLS clubs and their partnerships with MLS teams.

MLS clubs of course will hate both these things as solidarity payments are currently held captive by MLS, and training compensation would come directly out of MLS teams pockets.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/06/18 04:22 PM

If true, the complaints about McGlynn seem valid (at least to me).

There is a lot of hedging in last sentence because I have no idea if complaints are true. Unless you are part of the club, who really knows. For the rest of us, there is value in "crow-sourced" information, because it helps us make a decision whether to allow our children to try out for BWG or take part in BWG sponsored programs. I have acquaintances whose children have gone there and left and gone there and stayed, I don't know them well enough to ask them about McGlynn, but their children are not on relevant team, so maybe they don't event know.

No one really says it does not happen, the defenses are "get over it" and "any parent would do the same", which sort of leads me to believe that it does occur. Which also leads me to the conclusion that BWG administrators approve and are in on this in some way (money? prestige? vanity?); why else suffer so much bad press for one guy; we all have jobs, is there anyone in your office that is not replaceable; everyone is replaceable.

This is a long winded way of saying, I really wish someone with knowledge made a statement about this situation, or that someone at BWG made it clear that McGlynn had no role on his son's team going forward; it is the right thing to do.

I have no idea if my son would make BWG, I think so, but I am his dad; based on everything I read here, I never let him have anything to do with BWG. There have to be more people like me, who would put their children in that situation?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/06/18 06:05 PM

The same thing happens at MO. The club is their personal playground. That’s why kids left there
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/06/18 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If true, the complaints about McGlynn seem valid (at least to me).

There is a lot of hedging in last sentence because I have no idea if complaints are true. Unless you are part of the club, who really knows. For the rest of us, there is value in "crow-sourced" information, because it helps us make a decision whether to allow our children to try out for BWG or take part in BWG sponsored programs. I have acquaintances whose children have gone there and left and gone there and stayed, I don't know them well enough to ask them about McGlynn, but their children are not on relevant team, so maybe they don't event know.

No one really says it does not happen, the defenses are "get over it" and "any parent would do the same", which sort of leads me to believe that it does occur. Which also leads me to the conclusion that BWG administrators approve and are in on this in some way (money? prestige? vanity?); why else suffer so much bad press for one guy; we all have jobs, is there anyone in your office that is not replaceable; everyone is replaceable.

This is a long winded way of saying, I really wish someone with knowledge made a statement about this situation, or that someone at BWG made it clear that McGlynn had no role on his son's team going forward; it is the right thing to do.

I have no idea if my son would make BWG, I think so, but I am his dad; based on everything I read here, I never let him have anything to do with BWG. There have to be more people like me, who would put their children in that situation?


I have been involved in academy soccer for 4 years now and have spent time at two different clubs in those 4 years and know families at 4 other clubs in the NY/NJ area. There are complaints at ALL of them. The DOC having a child in the club who is favored is unique at the moment to Gottschee and Met Oval because THEY have kids who are playing...who both happen to be pretty good players - maybe not THE BEST, but very good.

I think that in general if your child plays in the same age group as a good player who happens to be the coaches son then you're kid is likely not going to get minutes. No one is agreeing that it is okay but its not something that in all the land of soccer only happens at Gottschee or Met Oval. So when people on here are saying "get over it", its like "we get it, it sucks that you have a kid on that team that plays in the midfield - so maybe you should move on to another club".
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/06/18 08:40 PM

It’s more than just the coaches son at mO
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/06/18 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If true, the complaints about McGlynn seem valid (at least to me).

There is a lot of hedging in last sentence because I have no idea if complaints are true. Unless you are part of the club, who really knows. For the rest of us, there is value in "crow-sourced" information, because it helps us make a decision whether to allow our children to try out for BWG or take part in BWG sponsored programs. I have acquaintances whose children have gone there and left and gone there and stayed, I don't know them well enough to ask them about McGlynn, but their children are not on relevant team, so maybe they don't event know.

No one really says it does not happen, the defenses are "get over it" and "any parent would do the same", which sort of leads me to believe that it does occur. Which also leads me to the conclusion that BWG administrators approve and are in on this in some way (money? prestige? vanity?); why else suffer so much bad press for one guy; we all have jobs, is there anyone in your office that is not replaceable; everyone is replaceable.

This is a long winded way of saying, I really wish someone with knowledge made a statement about this situation, or that someone at BWG made it clear that McGlynn had no role on his son's team going forward; it is the right thing to do.

I have no idea if my son would make BWG, I think so, but I am his dad; based on everything I read here, I never let him have anything to do with BWG. There have to be more people like me, who would put their children in that situation?


I have been involved in academy soccer for 4 years now and have spent time at two different clubs in those 4 years and know families at 4 other clubs in the NY/NJ area. There are complaints at ALL of them. The DOC having a child in the club who is favored is unique at the moment to Gottschee and Met Oval because THEY have kids who are playing...who both happen to be pretty good players - maybe not THE BEST, but very good.

I think that in general if your child plays in the same age group as a good player who happens to be the coaches son then you're kid is likely not going to get minutes. No one is agreeing that it is okay but its not something that in all the land of soccer only happens at Gottschee or Met Oval. So when people on here are saying "get over it", its like "we get it, it sucks that you have a kid on that team that plays in the midfield - so maybe you should move on to another club".


Good post.Both those kids from MO and BWG are good players. Problem is perception. Look at their rosters and you will see that there are others that start every game and play every minute. If they deserve it they should be playing. We're way past the point if you're playing academy where every kid gets a trophy just for showing up. But the perception is that the players are getting the minutes because of their fathers. I don't know. One was good enough to play for two MLS clubs so not surprising he gets to play a lot now. The counterargument is that he was at the MLS clubs because of his father. Believe it if you want but it's unlikely. The other is good enough to play for the national team and is called up regularly. Again the counterargument is that it's because of his father, but I doubt that also. Plenty of well connected fathers whose sons don't get called up. So I see it as a perception problem and if your son is not playing because of one of those players then you will feel aggrieved. I think that is what people are saying about getting over it. Leave if you don't like it but understand that in the real world there will be someone getting special treatment for one reason or another and you will need to overcome it. If you can't then leave. I agree with the above.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/06/18 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s more than just the coaches son at mO


What do you mean?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 12:39 PM

Not to forget that Claudio Reyna does the same with his son in the NYCFC 07 team, the kid is below the average there...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s more than just the coaches son at mO


What do you mean?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not to forget that Claudio Reyna does the same with his son in the NYCFC 07 team, the kid is below the average there...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s more than just the coaches son at mO


What do you mean?



Troll
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not to forget that Claudio Reyna does the same with his son in the NYCFC 07 team, the kid is below the average there...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s more than just the coaches son at mO


What do you mean?



eh, disagree on both counts. it's u12 btw so chill with the whaddabouts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not to forget that Claudio Reyna does the same with his son in the NYCFC 07 team, the kid is below the average there...
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s more than just the coaches son at mO


What do you mean?



eh, disagree on both counts. it's u12 btw so chill with the whaddabouts.


Seen Reyna kid play a few times. He's not the star of the team but he's good and definitely belongs. Stop bashing the 11 year old kid. He's 11. Kids are sensitive and vulnerable at that age. You guys should really be ashamed of yourselves.

- Random academy dad whose kid has never been a teammate
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 03:50 PM


It's jealousy, PLAIN AND SIMPLE ! Just because he has the connections, people are jealous ! Goes hand in hand with other posts on here where the parents are so competitive with others. Life is all about who you know, Especially in NY/LI. If you don't know that by now, I suggest you rethink life/business.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not to forget that Claudio Reyna does the same with his son in the NYCFC 07 team, the kid is below the average there...


eh, disagree on both counts. it's u12 btw so chill with the whaddabouts.


Seen Reyna kid play a few times. He's not the star of the team but he's good and definitely belongs. Stop bashing the 11 year old kid. He's 11. Kids are sensitive and vulnerable at that age. You guys should really be ashamed of yourselves.

- Random academy dad whose kid has never been a teammate


dude, that's what "disagree on both counts" said. I disagreed that CR is equivalent to any other situation, and that JR is below the average. also pointed out that it's U12 so OP should chill so not sure why you're quote-trolling me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not to forget that Claudio Reyna does the same with his son in the NYCFC 07 team, the kid is below the average there...


eh, disagree on both counts. it's u12 btw so chill with the whaddabouts.


Seen Reyna kid play a few times. He's not the star of the team but he's good and definitely belongs. Stop bashing the 11 year old kid. He's 11. Kids are sensitive and vulnerable at that age. You guys should really be ashamed of yourselves.

- Random academy dad whose kid has never been a teammate


dude, that's what "disagree on both counts" said. I disagreed that CR is equivalent to any other situation, and that JR is below the average. also pointed out that it's U12 so OP should chill so not sure why you're quote-trolling me.


Sorry. Meant the original quote. No offense intended
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 07:12 PM

Ok lets crowd source the list of players whose fathers are helping them play. This would be very helpful for any parent looking for a club.

No names. Just club, age group, daddy's role at the club and what position the son plays.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It’s more than just the coaches son at mO

Let's not also forget good ol' George the Mechanic, FCW's Director of Soccer Operations, with his two boys on academy teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 09:43 PM

Did anyone hear that U13 is also going away next year (in addition to U12?)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/07/18 09:46 PM

The problem is not the kid, the problem is Claudio Reyna, using his power to advance his kid. Same happened when beckham tried to push his son in arsenal, if you don't want people to talk about it, do not expose your kids for your own benefit and play by the rules.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/08/18 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did anyone hear that U13 is also going away next year (in addition to U12?)


Seems to be a rumor but you never know. Much more likely is a 16/17 split into two groups, for now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/08/18 04:51 PM

I think the U13 elimination rumor was for the 2020-21 season, not next season (2019-20). If true, then the current U12 2007s would be yougest age group 3 years in a row (U12 this year, U13 next year and U14 in 2020-21).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/08/18 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem is not the kid, the problem is Claudio Reyna, using his power to advance his kid. Same happened when beckham tried to push his son in arsenal, if you don't want people to talk about it, do not expose your kids for your own benefit and play by the rules.

Gio Reyna #10 Captain of the U17 US National Team headed for the U17 World Cup. Father’s and son’s are part of US Soccer from intramural to travel to academy to National team. Michael and Bob Bradley !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/08/18 10:37 PM

Anyone knows the results of friendly games NYCFc vs Metoval ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/08/18 11:01 PM

MetOval 05 beat NYCFC 05 2-1
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/08/18 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
MetOval 05 beat NYCFC 05 2-1


05 MO good team. What about 2004?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/09/18 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Did anyone hear that U13 is also going away next year (in addition to U12?)


Seems to be a rumor but you never know. Much more likely is a 16/17 split into two groups, for now.


That would make a lot of sense. Wouldn’t that have been announced by now?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/09/18 02:12 AM

[quote=Anonymous]Anyone knows the results of friendly games NYCFc vs Metoval ? [/quote

How many age group played on these friendlys ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/09/18 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Anyone knows the results of friendly games NYCFc vs Metoval ? [/quote

How many age group played on these friendlys ?

And the large dad can't stop bragging about his little start. Making a lot of excuses . Well he wasn't happy the 05's couldn't beat MO.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/09/18 02:37 PM

The fat guy is a total joke
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/09/18 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The fat guy is a total joke


Is his kid the 2006?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/10/18 01:09 PM

Met Oval 2004 crushed NYCFC. Lost 2-1 on lucky goal. Hit 2 posts. Had better chances and more posession.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/10/18 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem is not the kid, the problem is Claudio Reyna, using his power to advance his kid. Same happened when beckham tried to push his son in arsenal, if you don't want people to talk about it, do not expose your kids for your own benefit and play by the rules.


i'm not really sure where you're going with this, Reyna is a senior exec for an MLS team and arguably the best American to ever play the game. Is he supposed to put his kids on the Manhattan Kickers or something? the older son is a proven talent that earned every opportunity, and the younger is playing U12. So please quit it with the whaddaboutism.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/10/18 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval 2004 crushed NYCFC. Lost 2-1 on lucky goal. Hit 2 posts. Had better chances and more posession.



Will of course be super interesting to see all the boys who get dropped from NYCFC 04 next year (due to them not having a pre-academy team) and how many shift over to Met Oval and what that means for the current Met Oval team (given that they crushed it and all...)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/10/18 05:43 PM

The “best american player” what is that just a mediocre English player ?
What are you Reyna’s PR assistant. Reyna was never very good, the level in the US was much lower than is today, and when he played in man city, the English league it had nothing to do what is today...man city was 16th in the table and Reyna scored 4 goals in 4 years. Know your facts before you talk, and just don’t repeat what you see on TV
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/10/18 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem is not the kid, the problem is Claudio Reyna, using his power to advance his kid. Same happened when beckham tried to push his son in arsenal, if you don't want people to talk about it, do not expose your kids for your own benefit and play by the rules.


i'm not really sure where you're going with this, Reyna is a senior exec for an MLS team and arguably the best American to ever play the game. Is he supposed to put his kids on the Manhattan Kickers or something? the older son is a proven talent that earned every opportunity, and the younger is playing U12. So please quit it with the whaddaboutism.


he is an outstanding player period .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/10/18 05:56 PM

Correct, and where the MO rejects are going to go? Is a revolving door !!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/10/18 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The “best american player” what is that just a mediocre English player ?
What are you Reyna’s PR assistant. Reyna was never very good, the level in the US was much lower than is today, and when he played in man city, the English league it had nothing to do what is today...man city was 16th in the table and Reyna scored 4 goals in 4 years. Know your facts before you talk, and just don’t repeat what you see on TV


get ur head checked dude. you definitely have a bad case of whaddaboutism (and a clear axe to grind).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/10/18 06:28 PM

When people has no facts to support their opinion they usually say : “PERIOD”
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/10/18 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When people has no facts to support their opinion they usually say : “PERIOD”


claim: "Claudio Reyna is arguably the best American to ever play the game"
facts: 2xParade HS player of the year; Gatorade national HS player of the year; 3x National Champion (UVA); 3x1st team all-American; Herman Trophy winner; 2x MAC player of the year; 4x World Cup roster; 1x World Cup All-Star First team; 2x Olympian; 112 caps; USMNT captain.

yeah, i dunno, seems pretty well backed up. I will make one correction, that it should be "best Male American" as Michelle Akers is the best American to play the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/10/18 10:05 PM

Wow so impressive...!!!, I still think he was just an average player ...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 02:20 AM

Bollocks
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval 2004 crushed NYCFC. Lost 2-1 on lucky goal. Hit 2 posts. Had better chances and more posession.



Will of course be super interesting to see all the boys who get dropped from NYCFC 04 next year (due to them not having a pre-academy team) and how many shift over to Met Oval and what that means for the current Met Oval team (given that they crushed it and all...)


A bunch of 04 kids just left Gottschee and went to Met Oval. Surprised McGlynn actually released them. I guess he felt they couldn't be that great since the 04 BWG team lost every game so far this season. Seems like Gottschee is going down the tubes and may follow Albertson out of the DA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Met Oval 2004 crushed NYCFC. Lost 2-1 on lucky goal. Hit 2 posts. Had better chances and more posession.



Will of course be super interesting to see all the boys who get dropped from NYCFC 04 next year (due to them not having a pre-academy team) and how many shift over to Met Oval and what that means for the current Met Oval team (given that they crushed it and all...)


A bunch of 04 kids just left Gottschee and went to Met Oval. Surprised McGlynn actually released them. I guess he felt they couldn't be that great since the 04 BWG team lost every game so far this season. Seems like Gottschee is going down the tubes and may follow Albertson out of the DA.

not going to happen McGlynn has a lot of power.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 12:38 PM

barca academy NY 2005 VS WESTCHESTER FC 2005 friendly 1-1
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 01:31 PM

Actually the two players that left from Gottschee to metoval were top players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
barca academy NY 2005 VS WESTCHESTER FC 2005 friendly 1-1

Here is a link to the video of Barcelona (NY-NPL) 2005 v. FC Westchester DA 2005 friendly from this past weekend: Barca 2005 NPL v. FC Westchester 2005 DA
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]barca academy NY 2005 VS WESTCHESTER FC 2005 friendly 1-1

Here is a link to the video of Barcelona (NY-NPL) 2005 v. FC Westchester DA 2005 friendly from this past weekend: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-YXT7S17UE]Barca 2005 NPL v. FC Westchester 2005 DA[/url
Barca Pro 06 scrimmaged FC Westchester DA this weekend and totally outclassed them. Yes, Barca is the top team in the area including these glorified and overhyped DA teams. Looking at you NYCFC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually the two players that left from Gottschee to metoval were top players.


Plus Met Oval took Gottschee's top goal scorer from last year as well as another kid. Gottschee is falling apart. The 04 team had a team meeting over the weekend and the parents were furius at the coach.A parent on that team told me more kids are leaving.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually the two players that left from Gottschee to metoval were top players.


Plus Met Oval took Gottschee's top goal scorer from last year as well as another kid. Gottschee is falling apart. The 04 team had a team meeting over the weekend and the parents were furius at the coach.A parent on that team told me more kids are leaving.


The 05’s had a very bad start also . No happy parents .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 05:33 PM

ppl just realized that Gottschee only cares about their coaches and managers sons.

it happens younger age too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
ppl just realized that Gottschee only cares about their coaches and managers sons.

it happens younger age too.


totally agree. Im very happy that my son left GWB in younger age smile thank you god!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 05:56 PM

Barca is looking at NYCFC, are you delusional???? My guess is, every NYCFC age group would literally destroy (I'm talking double digit goal differentials) each Barca age group team. NYCFC 05's played the real FC Barcelona to a 1 goal game when they played - the club on LI is the marketing scam version with very few quality players that would make any of the "glorified & overhyped" DA teams you mentioned, let alone have a chance to have a competitive game against either of the local MLS DA academies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Barca is looking at NYCFC, are you delusional???? My guess is, every NYCFC age group would literally destroy (I'm talking double digit goal differentials) each Barca age group team. NYCFC 05's played the real FC Barcelona to a 1 goal game when they played - the club on LI is the marketing scam version with very few quality players that would make any of the "glorified & overhyped" DA teams you mentioned, let alone have a chance to have a competitive game against either of the local MLS DA academies.

you must be the delusional one to think that they could think nycfc can beat barca ny by double digits when they can’t even beat fc westcester by those scores and barca ny had similar scores as nycfc. I’m not even a barca ny parent but some of you DA parents need to humble up and realize that just cause you’re kid is in DA doesnt mean there are teams that would give your teams a run for their money. There’s too much corruption in that league and political favoritism and deep down, you know it’s true. There are kids that truly deserve to be on the mls academies, and there’s other kids who bought their way in. So who’s the delusional one?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Barca is looking at NYCFC, are you delusional???? My guess is, every NYCFC age group would literally destroy (I'm talking double digit goal differentials) each Barca age group team. NYCFC 05's played the real FC Barcelona to a 1 goal game when they played - the club on LI is the marketing scam version with very few quality players that would make any of the "glorified & overhyped" DA teams you mentioned, let alone have a chance to have a competitive game against either of the local MLS DA academies.


that FCW 2005 team tied NYCFC 1-1 in April, and only lost to NYCFC 4-3 last month on a last minute goal (after leading twice), so by the transitive property I don't think NYCFC beats FCB by double digits.

there are definitely kids across the age groups at FCB that could play at an MLS academy, and there are plenty that could comfortably play DA. Let's keep the Barca bashing to the other website and only talk DA here, thanks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Barca is looking at NYCFC, are you delusional???? My guess is, every NYCFC age group would literally destroy (I'm talking double digit goal differentials) each Barca age group team. NYCFC 05's played the real FC Barcelona to a 1 goal game when they played - the club on LI is the marketing scam version with very few quality players that would make any of the "glorified & overhyped" DA teams you mentioned, let alone have a chance to have a competitive game against either of the local MLS DA academies.



Are you seriously talking about La Liga Promises U12 event last spring when NYCFC played against La Masia's C-team. Real accomplishment that your A-team couldn't score against the C-team. Double digit goal differentials will not happen ever! Barca Academy NY owned and coached by the same FC Barcelona C-team that didn't allow NYCFC to score!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 07:41 PM


Barca is looking at NYCFC, are you delusional???? My guess is, every NYCFC age group would literally destroy (I'm talking double digit goal differentials) each Barca age group team. NYCFC 05's played the real FC Barcelona to a 1 goal game when they played - the club on LI is the marketing scam version with very few quality players that would make any of the "glorified & overhyped" DA teams you mentioned, let alone have a chance to have a competitive game against either of the local MLS DA academies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 08:14 PM

have we just entered the troll-verse? where every trolling post is repeated for ever, and ever, and ever, and ...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 09:10 PM

I'm not a Barca parent, but the reality is that their teams are very good and not only that they win matches, they play very good. I don't care about DA or not DA, when you see a team that plays good soccer as barca does you have to acknowledge it. If they continue like that, they will be the best club in NY.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 09:15 PM

heard rumor that a parent punched Paul from BWG in the face any truth to that ????
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
heard rumor that a parent punched Paul from BWG in the face any truth to that ????

I would punch him. But my kid is not there. All those parents accepting all that crap with his son .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
barca academy NY 2005 VS WESTCHESTER FC 2005 friendly 1-1

Here is a link to the video of Barcelona (NY-NPL) 2005 v. FC Westchester DA 2005 friendly from this past weekend: Barca 2005 NPL v. FC Westchester 2005 DA


Good game. Teams were evenly matched. Freeze frame at 19:26 and 19:27 shows that the Barca kid was not offside and goal should have counted. Either way, good play by both teams. Thanks for posting.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 10:50 PM

what was the score of the Barca Pro 2006 vs FC Westchester game?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
what was the score of the Barca Pro 2006 vs FC Westchester game?

I heard it was 5-5, because FCW scored 4 goals in the last 5 minutes to tie the game. Have to play to final whistle. smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
what was the score of the Barca Pro 2006 vs FC Westchester game?

barca 4. westchester 2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/11/18 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
what was the score of the Barca Pro 2006 vs FC Westchester game?

I heard it was 5-5, because FCW scored 4 goals in the last 5 minutes to tie the game. Have to play to final whistle. smile



That was the 07 game. Ended in a 7-7 tie. Barca was up 7-4 and blew the game at the end.

Barca 06's won 4-2.

05's tied 1-1.

Not sure if the 04's played.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/12/18 01:12 AM

Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/12/18 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
heard rumor that a parent punched Paul from BWG in the face any truth to that ????

LMFAO it should have happened a long time ago ! Making parents pay all that money for showcases then sitting a poor kid on the bench the entire time. He abuses kids, destroys and humiliates them while stealing money from unsuspecting parents. That bald headed bastard deserves it
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/12/18 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


FC Westchester is a DA team so posting about 2006 Barca beating their 2006 team convincingly is relevant to this thread.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/12/18 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread

Finally thank you
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/12/18 05:22 AM

If Gottschee and Met Oval were not USSF Academy clubs neither would survive. Daddy crap from McGlynn and Saunders along with bad coaching and politics would drive away players and parents. Any one who knows soccer or about youth sports knows those clubs destroy kids not help them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/12/18 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/12/18 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY

You are just another "academy" crazed parent. I academy means so much to you then take your kid to play for an academy club. Why stay at Barca ? what good does it do coming on this forum talking about a non DA club ?

No one disputes the fact that there are better team, clubs, and coaches outside the DA. You are an obsessed idiot DA parent go to a DA club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/12/18 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY


You compile a lot of crap. Done nothing in particular of significance. Congrats that you have competitive teams. How is the college placement going for your two oldest boys groups? Any D1 scholarship athletes? I saw one of the older players was accepted into the real Barca academy in AZ and Barca NY made a big deal about it. He's not doing so great there. Maybe if he was you could tout the successes of one of your players. Any national team callups? The young ones that are at Barca now will move on to real academies at the ages it matters like they did this year and last. Convince US Soccer that you deserve to be an academy. Maybe once your sparkling promised fields are ready for play. Takes much more than winning scrimmages.Takes much more than bragging here and posting videos. That's called an inferiority complex.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/12/18 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
heard rumor that a parent punched Paul from BWG in the face any truth to that ????

no way!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/12/18 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY


You compile a lot of crap. Done nothing in particular of significance. Congrats that you have competitive teams. How is the college placement going for your two oldest boys groups? Any D1 scholarship athletes? I saw one of the older players was accepted into the real Barca academy in AZ and Barca NY made a big deal about it. He's not doing so great there. Maybe if he was you could tout the successes of one of your players. Any national team callups? The young ones that are at Barca now will move on to real academies at the ages it matters like they did this year and last. Convince US Soccer that you deserve to be an academy. Maybe once your sparkling promised fields are ready for play. Takes much more than winning scrimmages.Takes much more than bragging here and posting videos. That's called an inferiority complex.



What do you expect them to accomplish in 1 year? I think the reality is that they have exceeded everyone’s expectations by being able to field such highly competitive teams in such a short time. Give some credit where it’s due. And FYI , the video was posted by a FCW parent, not a Barça parent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/13/18 04:30 PM

this is gut wrenching and a must read

https://www.si.com/soccer/2018/12/12/claudio-reyna-family-jack-death-giovanni-dortmund
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/13/18 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY


You compile a lot of crap. Done nothing in particular of significance. Congrats that you have competitive teams. How is the college placement going for your two oldest boys groups? Any D1 scholarship athletes? I saw one of the older players was accepted into the real Barca academy in AZ and Barca NY made a big deal about it. He's not doing so great there. Maybe if he was you could tout the successes of one of your players. Any national team callups? The young ones that are at Barca now will move on to real academies at the ages it matters like they did this year and last. Convince US Soccer that you deserve to be an academy. Maybe once your sparkling promised fields are ready for play. Takes much more than winning scrimmages.Takes much more than bragging here and posting videos. That's called an inferiority complex.


This must be written by Rollie Pollie
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/13/18 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Makes you realize that the entirety of this board is all BS. What a touching story.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/13/18 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY


You compile a lot of crap. Done nothing in particular of significance. Congrats that you have competitive teams. How is the college placement going for your two oldest boys groups? Any D1 scholarship athletes? I saw one of the older players was accepted into the real Barca academy in AZ and Barca NY made a big deal about it. He's not doing so great there. Maybe if he was you could tout the successes of one of your players. Any national team callups? The young ones that are at Barca now will move on to real academies at the ages it matters like they did this year and last. Convince US Soccer that you deserve to be an academy. Maybe once your sparkling promised fields are ready for play. Takes much more than winning scrimmages.Takes much more than bragging here and posting videos. That's called an inferiority complex.


I would like to see the top DA and non DA clubs college commitments. I wonder who does a good job with this. Anyway to see a commitment list from BWG, Met Oval, SUSA, Barca, Manhattan, any other top club I may be missing. I didn’t include MLS academies because you can see that on the academy website.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/13/18 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Makes you realize that the entirety of this board is all BS. What a touching story.


AGREE 100%
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/13/18 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY


You compile a lot of crap. Done nothing in particular of significance. Congrats that you have competitive teams. How is the college placement going for your two oldest boys groups? Any D1 scholarship athletes? I saw one of the older players was accepted into the real Barca academy in AZ and Barca NY made a big deal about it. He's not doing so great there. Maybe if he was you could tout the successes of one of your players. Any national team callups? The young ones that are at Barca now will move on to real academies at the ages it matters like they did this year and last. Convince US Soccer that you deserve to be an academy. Maybe once your sparkling promised fields are ready for play. Takes much more than winning scrimmages.Takes much more than bragging here and posting videos. That's called an inferiority complex.


I would like to see the top DA and non DA clubs college commitments. I wonder who does a good job with this. Anyway to see a commitment list from BWG, Met Oval, SUSA, Barca, Manhattan, any other top club I may be missing. I didn’t include MLS academies because you can see that on the academy website.

At this point in time, does it make any sense, for the older teams, to participate in the SUPER Y finals in Florida?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/13/18 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY


You compile a lot of crap. Done nothing in particular of significance. Congrats that you have competitive teams. How is the college placement going for your two oldest boys groups? Any D1 scholarship athletes? I saw one of the older players was accepted into the real Barca academy in AZ and Barca NY made a big deal about it. He's not doing so great there. Maybe if he was you could tout the successes of one of your players. Any national team callups? The young ones that are at Barca now will move on to real academies at the ages it matters like they did this year and last. Convince US Soccer that you deserve to be an academy. Maybe once your sparkling promised fields are ready for play. Takes much more than winning scrimmages.Takes much more than bragging here and posting videos. That's called an inferiority complex.


I get it big man your kid peaked at 10. It’s ok as long as you recruit, defend, and make up lies about other clubs NYCFC will keep your kid on the team. Even though the older team doesn’t like it they will even give him some time on the older team. You should worry about your kids college career because a pro one doesnt seem realistic anymore does it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/13/18 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Makes you realize that the entirety of this board is all BS. What a touching story.


No one ever gets over the loss of a child, nor do the siblings. Just heartbreaking.

Gio was just named youth player of the year
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/13/18 09:49 PM

Pro lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY


You compile a lot of crap. Done nothing in particular of significance. Congrats that you have competitive teams. How is the college placement going for your two oldest boys groups? Any D1 scholarship athletes? I saw one of the older players was accepted into the real Barca academy in AZ and Barca NY made a big deal about it. He's not doing so great there. Maybe if he was you could tout the successes of one of your players. Any national team callups? The young ones that are at Barca now will move on to real academies at the ages it matters like they did this year and last. Convince US Soccer that you deserve to be an academy. Maybe once your sparkling promised fields are ready for play. Takes much more than winning scrimmages.Takes much more than bragging here and posting videos. That's called an inferiority complex.



What do you expect them to accomplish in 1 year? I think the reality is that they have exceeded everyone’s expectations by being able to field such highly competitive teams in such a short time. Give some credit where it’s due. And FYI , the video was posted by a FCW parent, not a Barça parent.


agree ! they accomplished a lot .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY


You compile a lot of crap. Done nothing in particular of significance. Congrats that you have competitive teams. How is the college placement going for your two oldest boys groups? Any D1 scholarship athletes? I saw one of the older players was accepted into the real Barca academy in AZ and Barca NY made a big deal about it. He's not doing so great there. Maybe if he was you could tout the successes of one of your players. Any national team callups? The young ones that are at Barca now will move on to real academies at the ages it matters like they did this year and last. Convince US Soccer that you deserve to be an academy. Maybe once your sparkling promised fields are ready for play. Takes much more than winning scrimmages.Takes much more than bragging here and posting videos. That's called an inferiority complex.



What do you expect them to accomplish in 1 year? I think the reality is that they have exceeded everyone’s expectations by being able to field such highly competitive teams in such a short time. Give some credit where it’s due. And FYI , the video was posted by a FCW parent, not a Barça parent.

Here are the facts.

Within the fast few months at U13.

NYCFC lost to Philly Union

Philly Union Tied Met Oval

Met Oval got destroyed by BWG

And yesterday Barca beat BWG.

Now, please tell me how any logical person can come to your conclusion that NYCFC would destroy every Barca team by double digits?????
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Nobody cares about Barca. Stop posting your BS on DS thread


Well barca deserves DA status. We can compile with any DA academies in NY


You compile a lot of crap. Done nothing in particular of significance. Congrats that you have competitive teams. How is the college placement going for your two oldest boys groups? Any D1 scholarship athletes? I saw one of the older players was accepted into the real Barca academy in AZ and Barca NY made a big deal about it. He's not doing so great there. Maybe if he was you could tout the successes of one of your players. Any national team callups? The young ones that are at Barca now will move on to real academies at the ages it matters like they did this year and last. Convince US Soccer that you deserve to be an academy. Maybe once your sparkling promised fields are ready for play. Takes much more than winning scrimmages.Takes much more than bragging here and posting videos. That's called an inferiority complex.



Here are the facts.

Within the fast few months at U13.

NYCFC lost to Philly Union

Philly Union Tied Met Oval

Met Oval got destroyed by BWG

And yesterday Barca beat BWG.

Now, please tell me how any logical person can come to your conclusion that NYCFC would destroy every Barca team by double digits?????


Here are the facts Barca is years away from being a realistic contender for an academy designation. It has not once played in an official academy game. The results you list among academies are in real games. Barca has not won a single state championship or national championship. You will tell me it's because they haven't been around long enough. Which is the point. Do it consistently for many years then come back here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 04:47 PM



Here are the facts.

Within the fast few months at U13.

NYCFC lost to Philly Union

Philly Union Tied Met Oval

Met Oval got destroyed by BWG

And yesterday Barca beat BWG.

Now, please tell me how any logical person can come to your conclusion that NYCFC would destroy every Barca team by double digits?????[/quote]

Here are the facts Barca is years away from being a realistic contender for an academy designation. It has not once played in an official academy game. The results you list among academies are in real games. Barca has not won a single state championship or national championship. You will tell me it's because they haven't been around long enough. Which is the point. Do it consistently for many years then come back here. [/quote]

What I find most interesting about this whole Barca conversation, is that they are essentially working with the leftovers. Maybe not for U11 and below, but certainly for U12 and up. So after NYCFC, RedBulls, Met Oval, BWG, Etc, pluck all of the most talented players for their programs, Barca has taken what is left and been able to field teams that are competing with and in most cases outplaying some of the previously mentioned teams, and they have done it in a very short time. I think this really speaks volumes about the level of training, development and coaching at Barca, and more importantly at these DA's. I agree that this Barca program is probably years away from entering the DA, but the truth is that our local DA programs should be absolutely demolishing these Barca teams in these friendly games, and that is just not the case.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 05:04 PM

Well maybe DA is losing it's thunder and lure ? Not everyone can make these crazy trips while in 8th or 9th grade and play for Barca because it's more localized ? I believe some players have left met oval and BWG for Barca.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 05:18 PM

Dear Barca parent get a grip. U r talking about 12 yr old soccer and scrimmages Your a glorified travel team making $ off a name that has nothing to do with the real Barca. Go seek help and find another thread
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Dear Barca parent get a grip. U r talking about 12 yr old soccer and scrimmages Your a glorified travel team making $ off a name that has nothing to do with the real Barca. Go seek help and find another thread


No one believes you any more.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


Here are the facts.

Within the fast few months at U13.

NYCFC lost to Philly Union

Philly Union Tied Met Oval

Met Oval got destroyed by BWG

And yesterday Barca beat BWG.

Now, please tell me how any logical person can come to your conclusion that NYCFC would destroy every Barca team by double digits?????


Here are the facts Barca is years away from being a realistic contender for an academy designation. It has not once played in an official academy game. The results you list among academies are in real games. Barca has not won a single state championship or national championship. You will tell me it's because they haven't been around long enough. Which is the point. Do it consistently for many years then come back here. [/quote]

What I find most interesting about this whole Barca conversation, is that they are essentially working with the leftovers. Maybe not for U11 and below, but certainly for U12 and up. So after NYCFC, RedBulls, Met Oval, BWG, Etc, pluck all of the most talented players for their programs, Barca has taken what is left and been able to field teams that are competing with and in most cases outplaying some of the previously mentioned teams, and they have done it in a very short time. I think this really speaks volumes about the level of training, development and coaching at Barca, and more importantly at these DA's. I agree that this Barca program is probably years away from entering the DA, but the truth is that our local DA programs should be absolutely demolishing these Barca teams in these friendly games, and that is just not the case.[/quote]


You have absolutely, NO IDEA what you are talking about and sound like a complete idiot. You are only correct about the training being phenomenal. We will see what happens come February. The facts are that many players that are at Barca were offered spots and are STILL being offered spots on DA teams and declined/declining them to play for Barca Academy instead. So when you watch them play DA teams; EVEN in a scrimmage and win, you NEED to open your eyes and mind to what is coming soon. SMH

ALSO- we have seen many DA players down at Barca training for Mulitple age groups. That's not bragging at all, it's just the truth,

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous


Here are the facts.

Within the fast few months at U13.

NYCFC lost to Philly Union

Philly Union Tied Met Oval

Met Oval got destroyed by BWG

And yesterday Barca beat BWG.

Now, please tell me how any logical person can come to your conclusion that NYCFC would destroy every Barca team by double digits?????


Here are the facts Barca is years away from being a realistic contender for an academy designation. It has not once played in an official academy game. The results you list among academies are in real games. Barca has not won a single state championship or national championship. You will tell me it's because they haven't been around long enough. Which is the point. Do it consistently for many years then come back here.


What I find most interesting about this whole Barca conversation, is that they are essentially working with the leftovers. Maybe not for U11 and below, but certainly for U12 and up. So after NYCFC, RedBulls, Met Oval, BWG, Etc, pluck all of the most talented players for their programs, Barca has taken what is left and been able to field teams that are competing with and in most cases outplaying some of the previously mentioned teams, and they have done it in a very short time. I think this really speaks volumes about the level of training, development and coaching at Barca, and more importantly at these DA's. I agree that this Barca program is probably years away from entering the DA, but the truth is that our local DA programs should be absolutely demolishing these Barca teams in these friendly games, and that is just not the case.[/quote]


You have absolutely, NO IDEA what you are talking about and sound like a complete idiot. You are only correct about the training being phenomenal. We will see what happens come February. The facts are that many players that are at Barca were offered spots and are STILL being offered spots on DA teams and declined/declining them to play for Barca Academy instead. So when you watch them play DA teams; EVEN in a scrimmage and win, you NEED to open your eyes and mind to what is coming soon. SMH

ALSO- we have seen many DA players down at Barca training for Mulitple age groups. That's not bragging at all, it's just the truth,

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!![/quote]

weschester 2005 Da ? come on . 8 games lost of 12 . first you have to beat Brooklyn Italians which is a better team .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 07:36 PM


You have absolutely, NO IDEA what you are talking about and sound like a complete idiot. You are only correct about the training being phenomenal. We will see what happens come February. The facts are that many players that are at Barca were offered spots and are STILL being offered spots on DA teams and declined/declining them to play for Barca Academy instead. So when you watch them play DA teams; EVEN in a scrimmage and win, you NEED to open your eyes and mind to what is coming soon. SMH

ALSO- we have seen many DA players down at Barca training for Mulitple age groups. That's not bragging at all, it's just the truth,

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!![/quote]

I agree with what someone else wrote. Barca 06 can compete in the DA just like any other bottom half DA team like FCW, BWG, TSF and Beachside. You can swap any of those teams out for Barca 06.

My son plays for one of the top 4 teams in the Boys DA U13 league and I would welcome a change for the sake of change. I would also welcome them because they are obviously doing a good job with the tactical part of the game.

I've seen them play. They are doing a great job with what they have. Someone in this thread called those players leftovers....I think that's a little harsh. But the truth is that Barca 06's may have less individual talent but their tactical game is beating some good teams. You have to give those coaches credit for that. Barca 06 has 1 quality player and has an 07 quality player that plays up with them and they are still winning. Codes to the Barca coaches for that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have absolutely, NO IDEA what you are talking about and sound like a complete idiot. You are only correct about the training being phenomenal. We will see what happens come February. The facts are that many players that are at Barca were offered spots and are STILL being offered spots on DA teams and declined/declining them to play for Barca Academy instead. So when you watch them play DA teams; EVEN in a scrimmage and win, you NEED to open your eyes and mind to what is coming soon. SMH

ALSO- we have seen many DA players down at Barca training for Mulitple age groups. That's not bragging at all, it's just the truth,

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!


I agree with what someone else wrote. Barca 06 can compete in the DA just like any other bottom half DA team like FCW, BWG, TSF and Beachside. You can swap any of those teams out for Barca 06.

My son plays for one of the top 4 teams in the Boys DA U13 league and I would welcome a change for the sake of change. I would also welcome them because they are obviously doing a good job with the tactical part of the game.

I've seen them play. They are doing a great job with what they have. Someone in this thread called those players leftovers....I think that's a little harsh. But the truth is that Barca 06's may have less individual talent but their tactical game is beating some good teams. You have to give those coaches credit for that. Barca 06 has 1 quality player and has an 07 quality player that plays up with them and they are still winning. Codes to the Barca coaches for that.
[/quote]

Ok Rollie Pollie
Please please please say what club/team you are from so every age Barça team can beg the directors to play that club, I know many of the 2006, 2005, and 2007 NYCFC teams players as well as Many other DA teams players and let me tell you, besides maybe 3-4 of those players, there are many players around equal to the rest. SMH
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/17/18 10:44 PM

You all sound so stupid talking about 12 yr olds. A lot will change over the next few years and then u will c where your kid stands. Physical growth is a huge factor that should be taken into account. Get back to us when they’re 16/17
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for one of the top 4 teams in the Boys DA U13 league and I would welcome a change for the sake of change.
What does this mean? Top 4, where? Country? Division? There are no standings at this age group, so how did you calculate this? Why? Honestly, there is no need for the mystery, just say the team. Don't worry, there still plenty of room for plausible deniability; wasn't you who posted, must have been some other dad. lol.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 01:48 AM

Please Barça parents . Do not engage in any of this nonsense. We no better than anyone that Barça does not acknowledge DA or MLS as a pinnacle of the game . Do not play into this BS . Scrimmages friendlys etc mean nothing. We are lucky to have the opportunity to play these DA teams . No more talk on here about this period.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 02:27 AM

I dont want to bring any negative attention to my sons team so I wont mention what team. If I mention his team you know that people will bash them no matter what. But I am saying that they are one of the top 4 teams in the Local DA. I base it on wins and losses that I keep track of. Not standings because like you mentioned there are none.

All I can say is that when my sons team plays one of the other top 4 teams it's a good game. He wins some and loses some. But when he plays the bottom half teams there is a noticeable difference in quality. Both individual quality and team tactics. All I'm saying is why not give a team like Barca a chance. The individual talent is not there yet but at least they play the right way which means that club is teaching the kids the right way to play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 03:51 AM

Why don’t the Barca people go post on the appropriate thread. I don’t know why they keep coming back here. Seems like an inferiority complex
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 03:57 AM

Barca u15’s couldn’t beat Manhattan SC. Go back to the drawing board.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Barca u15’s couldn’t beat Manhattan SC. Go back to the drawing board.


But they completely outplayed BWG. Sounds like USSDA are the ones who need to go back to the drawing board.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why don’t the Barca people go post on the appropriate thread. I don’t know why they keep coming back here. Seems like an inferiority complex



So reporting the results of friendly matches against DA teams isn't appropriate on a DA thread? Or is it that the results just make you a little uncomfortable? I bet if someone came on this thread to report that a DA team beat Barca 15-0 you wouldn't have an issue with it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Barca u15’s couldn’t beat Manhattan SC. Go back to the drawing board.

but then again barca also beat stars galaxy which destroyed nycfc and beat red bulls
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 01:57 PM

Comparing apples to oranges! When a DA team arranges a friendly, notifies the team at the last minute- to drive out to LI in the winter- you don't get the full team. Maybe the head coach doesn't bother to come and the substitute coach spends the entire game undermining team tactics and morale. For Barca it is an opportunity to put their best foot forward and for a DA club it is an opportunity for developmental players, bench players to get a full game or younger players to play up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why don’t the Barca people go post on the appropriate thread. I don’t know why they keep coming back here. Seems like an inferiority complex

bring your team we should have some games to compare the level .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why don’t the Barca people go post on the appropriate thread. I don’t know why they keep coming back here. Seems like an inferiority complex



So reporting the results of friendly matches against DA teams isn't appropriate on a DA thread? Or is it that the results just make you a little uncomfortable? I bet if someone came on this thread to report that a DA team beat Barca 15-0 you wouldn't have an issue with it.



That is very true
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Comparing apples to oranges! When a DA team arranges a friendly, notifies the team at the last minute- to drive out to LI in the winter- you don't get the full team. Maybe the head coach doesn't bother to come and the substitute coach spends the entire game undermining team tactics and morale. For Barca it is an opportunity to put their best foot forward and for a DA club it is an opportunity for developmental players, bench players to get a full game or younger players to play up.

now you crying . Bs . the bench should beat a none Da team also
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why don’t the Barca people go post on the appropriate thread. I don’t know why they keep coming back here. Seems like an inferiority complex



So reporting the results of friendly matches against DA teams isn't appropriate on a DA thread? Or is it that the results just make you a little uncomfortable? I bet if someone came on this thread to report that a DA team beat Barca 15-0 you wouldn't have an issue with it.

remember you tied FC weschester OK . NYCFC 2005 IS ANOTHER LEVEL.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why don’t the Barca people go post on the appropriate thread. I don’t know why they keep coming back here. Seems like an inferiority complex



So reporting the results of friendly matches against DA teams isn't appropriate on a DA thread? Or is it that the results just make you a little uncomfortable? I bet if someone came on this thread to report that a DA team beat Barca 15-0 you wouldn't have an issue with it.


People with inferiority complexes need to come on a DA board to try and show how worthy their children are. Shut up already. Friendlies are just that. They are an opportunity to get non starters more minutes. An opportunity for coaches to try new tactics and positions for players. It's not meant to be broadcast all over the web by PARENTS who feel like they need to justify their kids playing at Barca. Having gone through this process once all the way up to the U19 academy level, I can tell you that everything through U15 DOES NOT MATTER. College coaches can't talk to your kids so they don't bother watching their games. At U13 what would matter is if your son played for NYCFC or the Red Bulls. But he obviously doesn't, so when he is U16 all that will matter is how well he developed and that will be seen on the field in front of college coaches. If you believe Barca will do good in that area then good for you and I hope you're right. At U13 it just doesn't matter. What matters is developing, learning the game, eating healthy, staying fit, keeping up with grades and learning positioning, movement, tactics. You think Barca is doing a good job of that. Good for you. If your kids are still playing at Barca at U16 and it's not an academy then, your scrimmage results from 3 years back will mean absolutely nothing. Our team played the Red Bulls a couple of years back in a scrimmage and tied them 3-3. They then played in the regular season and lost to them 5-1. Completely different game. You Barca wannabes are pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Comparing apples to oranges! When a DA team arranges a friendly, notifies the team at the last minute- to drive out to LI in the winter- you don't get the full team. Maybe the head coach doesn't bother to come and the substitute coach spends the entire game undermining team tactics and morale. For Barca it is an opportunity to put their best foot forward and for a DA club it is an opportunity for developmental players, bench players to get a full game or younger players to play up.

now you crying . Bs . the bench should beat a none Da team also



quiet. I want to hear what other excuses he can come up with. Maybe all the top players had dentist appointments that day?

Reality is not all DA teams are that good, and there are good non DA teams out there. It's not black and white but there's a lot of gray overlap out there, mostly because DA is really too big for what it's supposed to be about. If it was all about top quality training and top players it wouldn't nearly as large as it is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Comparing apples to oranges! When a DA team arranges a friendly, notifies the team at the last minute- to drive out to LI in the winter- you don't get the full team. Maybe the head coach doesn't bother to come and the substitute coach spends the entire game undermining team tactics and morale. For Barca it is an opportunity to put their best foot forward and for a DA club it is an opportunity for developmental players, bench players to get a full game or younger players to play up.

now you crying . Bs . the bench should beat a none Da team also



quiet. I want to hear what other excuses he can come up with. Maybe all the top players had dentist appointments that day?

Reality is not all DA teams are that good, and there are good non DA teams out there. It's not black and white but there's a lot of gray overlap out there, mostly because DA is really too big for what it's supposed to be about. If it was all about top quality training and top players it wouldn't nearly as large as it is. [/q

Yes agree weschester FC is not the same as NYCFC NYRB .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 02:46 PM

Listen now that we are Pro, who needs Academy! Pro, you heard son, we Pro now!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen now that we are Pro, who needs Academy! Pro, you heard son, we Pro now!

troll
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 04:00 PM

Just to give everyone a little clarity here. I just went over the wins and losses for BWG DA U13, U14 and U15 which I believe are the only teams that scrimmaged. The over all combined record in the regular DA season is 4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses. 25 LOSSES!

Is this about Barca winning or more about why BWG does not belong in the DA? Maybe a little of both. But I think the most important thing to take from this is that the lower teams in the DA just dont belong. There is only so much talent to go around.

4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 04:11 PM

A year ago, Barca was being mocked and laughed at all over this forum. It was labeled a scam, and any parent who brought their kid there was called a sucker. So OF COURSE their parents are going to throw this stuff right back in the faces of those who had so many negative things to say.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just to give everyone a little clarity here. I just went over the wins and losses for BWG DA U13, U14 and U15 which I believe are the only teams that scrimmaged. The over all combined record in the regular DA season is 4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses. 25 LOSSES!

Is this about Barca winning or more about why BWG does not belong in the DA? Maybe a little of both. But I think the most important thing to take from this is that the lower teams in the DA just dont belong. There is only so much talent to go around.

4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses!


You probably want to spend some of your free time taking remedial math courses. The U13 team is 6-5-1 so your numbers don't add up. U14 and U15 have poor records. All other teams are at .500 or above. The U12 teams are pretty good though records not posted. 07's won the NY Cup gold last year. As did the 08 team. Tell me again what Barca has ever accomplished?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just to give everyone a little clarity here. I just went over the wins and losses for BWG DA U13, U14 and U15 which I believe are the only teams that scrimmaged. The over all combined record in the regular DA season is 4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses. 25 LOSSES!

Is this about Barca winning or more about why BWG does not belong in the DA? Maybe a little of both. But I think the most important thing to take from this is that the lower teams in the DA just dont belong. There is only so much talent to go around.

4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses!


You probably want to spend some of your free time taking remedial math courses. The U13 team is 6-5-1 so your numbers don't add up. U14 and U15 have poor records. All other teams are at .500 or above. The U12 teams are pretty good though records not posted. 07's won the NY Cup gold last year. As did the 08 team. Tell me again what Barca has ever accomplished?


Wrong! I said BWG's regular DA Season Record. If you are going off of the USSDA website it includes the tournament at the end of Oct which should not be counted. They were in a weak division and got a couple of wins there. The 2006 U13 BWG teams regular DA Season record is 4 wins and 5 losses. 07's are split squad and you cant really include their record. 08 is not even DA.

So you stand corrected.

BWG's U13, U14 and U15 combined regular DA season record is 4 wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses.

Dont feel bad. FC Westchesters combined U13, U14 and U14 record in the regular DA season is 4 wins, 20 losses and 2 ties.

So why shouldn't Barca get a chance in the DA. They would be a bottom half team too but I bet they would attract better talent over time and eventually be a top team in the DA. Right now BWG and FCW are a combined 8 wins and 45 losses.....and they lost to an NPL team!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just to give everyone a little clarity here. I just went over the wins and losses for BWG DA U13, U14 and U15 which I believe are the only teams that scrimmaged. The over all combined record in the regular DA season is 4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses. 25 LOSSES!

Is this about Barca winning or more about why BWG does not belong in the DA? Maybe a little of both. But I think the most important thing to take from this is that the lower teams in the DA just dont belong. There is only so much talent to go around.

4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses!


You probably want to spend some of your free time taking remedial math courses. The U13 team is 6-5-1 so your numbers don't add up. U14 and U15 have poor records. All other teams are at .500 or above. The U12 teams are pretty good though records not posted. 07's won the NY Cup gold last year. As did the 08 team. Tell me again what Barca has ever accomplished?


Wrong! I said BWG's regular DA Season Record. If you are going off of the USSDA website it includes the tournament at the end of Oct which should not be counted. They were in a weak division and got a couple of wins there. The 2006 U13 BWG teams regular DA Season record is 4 wins and 5 losses. 07's are split squad and you cant really include their record. 08 is not even DA.

So you stand corrected.

BWG's U13, U14 and U15 combined regular DA season record is 4 wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses.

Dont feel bad. FC Westchesters combined U13, U14 and U14 record in the regular DA season is 4 wins, 20 losses and 2 ties.

So why shouldn't Barca get a chance in the DA. They would be a bottom half team too but I bet they would attract better talent over time and eventually be a top team in the DA. Right now BWG and FCW are a combined 8 wins and 45 losses.....and they lost to an NPL team!


dude please stop cross posting your non-DA nonsense across every message board. if you want to start a barca thread here, please go ahead. as of now, they aint in DA and aint gonna be in it anytime soon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just to give everyone a little clarity here. I just went over the wins and losses for BWG DA U13, U14 and U15 which I believe are the only teams that scrimmaged. The over all combined record in the regular DA season is 4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses. 25 LOSSES!

Is this about Barca winning or more about why BWG does not belong in the DA? Maybe a little of both. But I think the most important thing to take from this is that the lower teams in the DA just dont belong. There is only so much talent to go around.

4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses!


You probably want to spend some of your free time taking remedial math courses. The U13 team is 6-5-1 so your numbers don't add up. U14 and U15 have poor records. All other teams are at .500 or above. The U12 teams are pretty good though records not posted. 07's won the NY Cup gold last year. As did the 08 team. Tell me again what Barca has ever accomplished?


Wrong! I said BWG's regular DA Season Record. If you are going off of the USSDA website it includes the tournament at the end of Oct which should not be counted. They were in a weak division and got a couple of wins there. The 2006 U13 BWG teams regular DA Season record is 4 wins and 5 losses. 07's are split squad and you cant really include their record. 08 is not even DA.

So you stand corrected.

BWG's U13, U14 and U15 combined regular DA season record is 4 wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses.

Dont feel bad. FC Westchesters combined U13, U14 and U14 record in the regular DA season is 4 wins, 20 losses and 2 ties.

So why shouldn't Barca get a chance in the DA. They would be a bottom half team too but I bet they would attract better talent over time and eventually be a top team in the DA. Right now BWG and FCW are a combined 8 wins and 45 losses.....and they lost to an NPL team!


Not for any reason other than to poke the bear, but, in a nutshell, you have decided how a team or club should be rated, then publicly rate it, then get upset when someone calls you out on your rating system?

Do you realize how insane you sound?

So by your line of reasoning, if I believe that end of year tournaments are only way to rate a DA team (everyone knows that tournaments are only way to really rate a team), then the U13 should be considered pretty good, right?

If you think my post above is nuts, maybe you are right, who knows, but lets be clear, that is how everyone thinks of your initial post and response above.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 09:56 PM

Why don’t you guys go bother the real Barca. I’m sure your kids are better than those kids in Spain too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why don’t you guys go bother the real Barca. I’m sure your kids are better than those kids in Spain too.

A few of them , yes absolutely !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 11:40 PM

I heard Barca 05 pro lost to BWG 05 DA by a score of 7-0, or something like that. Is that not true?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/18/18 11:57 PM

Not sure, but it wouldn’t surprise me. 05 is probably Barca’s weakest team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I heard Barca 05 pro lost to BWG 05 DA by a score of 7-0, or something like that. Is that not true?

When was this game?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just to give everyone a little clarity here. I just went over the wins and losses for BWG DA U13, U14 and U15 which I believe are the only teams that scrimmaged. The over all combined record in the regular DA season is 4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses. 25 LOSSES!

Is this about Barca winning or more about why BWG does not belong in the DA? Maybe a little of both. But I think the most important thing to take from this is that the lower teams in the DA just dont belong. There is only so much talent to go around.

4 Wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses!


You probably want to spend some of your free time taking remedial math courses. The U13 team is 6-5-1 so your numbers don't add up. U14 and U15 have poor records. All other teams are at .500 or above. The U12 teams are pretty good though records not posted. 07's won the NY Cup gold last year. As did the 08 team. Tell me again what Barca has ever accomplished?


Wrong! I said BWG's regular DA Season Record. If you are going off of the USSDA website it includes the tournament at the end of Oct which should not be counted. They were in a weak division and got a couple of wins there. The 2006 U13 BWG teams regular DA Season record is 4 wins and 5 losses. 07's are split squad and you cant really include their record. 08 is not even DA.

So you stand corrected.

BWG's U13, U14 and U15 combined regular DA season record is 4 wins, 1 Tie and 25 Losses.

Dont feel bad. FC Westchesters combined U13, U14 and U14 record in the regular DA season is 4 wins, 20 losses and 2 ties.

So why shouldn't Barca get a chance in the DA. They would be a bottom half team too but I bet they would attract better talent over time and eventually be a top team in the DA. Right now BWG and FCW are a combined 8 wins and 45 losses.....and they lost to an NPL team!


Not for any reason other than to poke the bear, but, in a nutshell, you have decided how a team or club should be rated, then publicly rate it, then get upset when someone calls you out on your rating system?

Do you realize how insane you sound?

So by your line of reasoning, if I believe that end of year tournaments are only way to rate a DA team (everyone knows that tournaments are only way to really rate a team), then the U13 should be considered pretty good, right?

If you think my post above is nuts, maybe you are right, who knows, but lets be clear, that is how everyone thinks of your initial post and response above.


It's not even fun arguing with you. You're stating that 3 games in a weak division tournament at the end of Oct is what we should be basing whether or not BWG and FCW belongs in the DA? That's rediculous

My point is that when you play in the local DA and you are losing 45 out of 56 games in the local DA it should be time to give another club a shot. I know Barca isn't ready yet....but the argument is there. I'm not even a Barca parent. I dont like how a few of those parents come on here an brag about meaningless games. They certainly shouldn't brag about beating the lowly BWG and FCW teams. But this is an opportunity to shake things up and improve the lower half teams of the DA. I think Barca would be an improvement.

They would still be bottom half but they would have a higher ceiling in the long run compared to BWG and FCW. That's for sure
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 01:53 PM

Barca should start their own youth PRO league! First ever! Change the face of soccer forever
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 02:26 PM

So Barca should get DA because they won a scrimmage vs FCW ? They’ve a glorified travel team with arrogant and lets. It forget ignorant parents. All they have to hold up is a scrimmage, how about losing to Manhattan SC. Where is all the chest pounding then? Be happy that your kid is happy and teach them some humility for when they do succeed
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Barca should get DA because they won a scrimmage vs FCW ? They’ve a glorified travel team with arrogant and lets. It forget ignorant parents. All they have to hold up is a scrimmage, how about losing to Manhattan SC. Where is all the chest pounding then? Be happy that your kid is happy and teach them some humility for when they do succeed


Amen. It was said here multiple times. Inferiority complex. Parents used to seeing their child succeed are spending time here analyzing the results of academy showcases where no official standings or records are kept ... except by the wacko cut throat father/mother who has so much free time that he/she does the analysis in an effort to show that his/her child's Barca team deserves to be an Academy. How ridiculous and foolish. You Barca parents are really a piece of work. And don't tell me that you are not a Barca parent writing all of this crap anonymously while putting down the other local DAs who have had years of success. Hard to believe that a person would spend all of this time on an academy tournament to try and prove here that an academy club shouldn't be credited with winning its games in a US Soccer sanctioned event. Pathetic that a parent has so much time to perform this type of a review and then argue for why the results should be discounted. Really pathetic.

Manhattan soccer club has a track record of success over many years with multiple national championships and NY state cups. We don't see MSC parents here whining and complaining about other local DA clubs. You Barca parents should learn from them. They are comfortable with the choices they and their children made to play at MSC and don't need to post here to rationalize their decisions. Stay humble and give that option a go.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Barca should get DA because they won a scrimmage vs FCW ? They’ve a glorified travel team with arrogant and lets. It forget ignorant parents. All they have to hold up is a scrimmage, how about losing to Manhattan SC. Where is all the chest pounding then? Be happy that your kid is happy and teach them some humility for when they do succeed


Ask them about Brooklyn Italians . Way better team .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Barca should get DA because they won a scrimmage vs FCW ? They’ve a glorified travel team with arrogant and lets. It forget ignorant parents. All they have to hold up is a scrimmage, how about losing to Manhattan SC. Where is all the chest pounding then? Be happy that your kid is happy and teach them some humility for when they do succeed


No new club will be getting branded DA this year. Let's move on. The DA is falling apart at the seams. MLS clubs are bailing, staff is quitting or being fired with no replacement and the girls program is a total mess. US Soccer needs to take a step back and re-evaluate whether this is what they need to make soccer right in the US
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Barca should get DA because they won a scrimmage vs FCW ? They’ve a glorified travel team with arrogant and lets. It forget ignorant parents. All they have to hold up is a scrimmage, how about losing to Manhattan SC. Where is all the chest pounding then? Be happy that your kid is happy and teach them some humility for when they do succeed


Ask them about Brooklyn Italians . Way better team .



LOL!! Brooklyn Italians has ONE decent team, the 05's. The rest of the club would have a hard time winning a match that the opposing team forfeited.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
So Barca should get DA because they won a scrimmage vs FCW ? They’ve a glorified travel team with arrogant and lets. It forget ignorant parents. All they have to hold up is a scrimmage, how about losing to Manhattan SC. Where is all the chest pounding then? Be happy that your kid is happy and teach them some humility for when they do succeed


Ask them about Brooklyn Italians . Way better team .



LOL!! Brooklyn Italians has ONE decent team, the 05's. The rest of the club would have a hard time winning a match that the opposing team forfeited.


Bring any of DA team vs brooklyn Italians 05
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 07:13 PM

What is the criteria for DA my son plays for SUSA the girls have ECNL status why cant they become DA like these other clubs. They have children in both girls and boys side in every age and teams are competitive plus they have the funds and facilities.

Why would BARCA get DA over SUSA? Is there any discussion on SUSA becoming DA
Posted By: Larry Miller

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the criteria for DA my son plays for SUSA the girls have ECNL status why cant they become DA like these other clubs. They have children in both girls and boys side in every age and teams are competitive plus they have the funds and facilities.

Why would BARCA get DA over SUSA? Is there any discussion on SUSA becoming DA



wink
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What is the criteria for DA my son plays for SUSA the girls have ECNL status why cant they become DA like these other clubs. They have children in both girls and boys side in every age and teams are competitive plus they have the funds and facilities.

Why would BARCA get DA over SUSA? Is there any discussion on SUSA becoming DA

susa girls could probably, but not boys, they’re weak
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 07:52 PM

Because DA stand for DEVELOPMENT Academy. Not BUY TEAMS THAT ARE DOING WELL AND GIVE THEM CRAP TRAINING ACADEMY.

But having said that, it wouldn’t surprise me if SUSA is given DA, because it’s clear that USSDA is more about politics and money, and doesn’t give a damn about development.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 08:11 PM

Hey Barca people - that is wonderful that the club is doing so well, but why are you acting like this thread has any power to add you to the DA?? I mean, keep doing your thing stop yapping about it here and talk to your club admins about getting you DA status. How about looking at the Barca AZ DA team status...U 15 & 16/17 had a total of 5 wins 11 loses and 5 ties...not exactly a stellar record there given the "Barca Way". So you ragging on local DA teams that are struggling to make your point that you deserve a seat at the big boy table is just ridiculous. IF you are soooooo interested in DA teams, then join one to "make it better" since you are performing so well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 10:06 PM

EDP league is a better league than Academy at this point! Think you all need to know your place!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 - 12/19/18 11:34 PM