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Before registering for a tournament, make sure the tournament is sanctioned by USYS. Players participating in an unsanctioned tournament are not covered by our insurance. In other organizational events that are not sanctioned by USYS, teams must complete and submit “Permission to Travel”.

Yearlong open tournaments within ENYYSA during the seasonal year will not be covered by our insurance policies.

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I don't understand what this means. Why did you post this? Larry, can you please let us know what this means. Shoukd we be concerned about our tournaments?

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USYS v US Club bs, they're trying to influence clubs and teams to not attend tournaments aside from their own by implying there is more liability. Of course one assumes that the entry forms for attending an event hosted by another organization include references to insurance.

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I don't understand what this means. Why did you post this? Larry, can you please let us know what this means. Shoukd we be concerned about our tournaments?

I agree the message from ENYYSA is kinda cryptic, but it is what it doesnt say that caught my eye, and I think I'm correct.

Why this is so vague I'm not sure, but it is, IMO, laying down the gauntlet to all clubs, town and academies that played in the NYCSL NY Cup in 2020/2021 season, last year.

The way I read it is that all of last year's NY Club participants could be in deep doo-doo if a claim is brought against them by a parent, child, ref, anyone who might have had an issue during the game that required them to file a claim.

While the quoted statement from ENYYSA talks about this coming season and beyond, one needs to look at the last sentence.

Apparently, ENYYSA and USYSA(?) rules state that ENYYSA does not sanction and yearlong open tournaments (NY Cup) and therefore there is no insurance coverage.

So last year when clubs/teams got field permits to play cup games they used their ENYYSA Certificate of Insurance to get the permit. Problem is those certificates did NOT cover those games, so in essence, presenting those insurance certificates were wrong. Admittedly, you guys had no idea because you thought you were covered because you were playing in the New York Club Soccer League (NYCSL), The problem for you is that the NYCSL was a league in name only.

NYCSL was not a sanctioned league, but I guess Gary grossman for got to tell you folks that and now has put your organization in harm's way should a case be filed. A person or entity has 3 years to file so all of you are now, IMO, out there hoping a problem doesnt come your way. NYCSL lost 'league' status when they left US Club.

I hope I explained some of this to you and that moving forward you need to be careful about what gary grossman is selling you because he is still out there selling you a cup whose sanctioning is questionable, and the cup which is renamed the EDP brings with a whole other set of insurance issues. Just because the name has changed does not mean the 'game' has changed, and the game is all about money, pure and simple.

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USYS v US Club bs, they're trying to influence clubs and teams to not attend tournaments aside from their own by implying there is more liability. Of course one assumes that the entry forms for attending an event hosted by another organization include references to insurance.


Totally untrue...stop trying to turn this around. Your spin will not work here.

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I don't understand what this means. Why did you post this? Larry, can you please let us know what this means. Shoukd we be concerned about our tournaments?


This is a direct shot at the NYCSL (NYCL?)/EDP "LEAGUE CUP". Basically, ENYSSA does not want the League Cup to happen so they are expressly forbidding that the USYSA cards issued by them to be used for this competition.

You are still fine playing in US Club and other tournaments sanctioned by other organizations as long as you submit and get approved "Permission to Travel" forms. But play in the League Cup will have you playing uninsured.

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I don't understand what this means. Why did you post this? Larry, can you please let us know what this means. Shoukd we be concerned about our tournaments?


This is a direct shot at the NYCSL (NYCL?)/EDP "LEAGUE CUP". Basically, ENYSSA does not want the League Cup to happen so they are expressly forbidding that the USYSA cards issued by them to be used for this competition.

You are still fine playing in US Club and other tournaments sanctioned by other organizations as long as you submit and get approved "Permission to Travel" forms. But play in the League Cup will have you playing uninsured.

How can you play uninsured and play in a non-sanctioned 'tournament? How do you get field permits and refs? BTW, this is not what you say it is. This rule of no open yearlong tournaments has been the ENYYSA rule going back over the yers. The difference here is that Grossman broke the rules, and the clubs/teams dont or didnt understand the rules, and now you are all in harm's way.

Do not ry and make this out to be something new as this has been on the books since forever. You are more than welcome to play in the EDP Cup in New Jersey so long as you apply for permission to travel is how I read it. I do believe that the games will have to be played New Jersey and if you apply do your due diligence and make sure you are covered and demand to see in writing that if Grossman tells you, you are covered to prove it. Dont trust his word.

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Sequential Liability is the heart of the message, which is being used to influence tournament & competition entry only into ENNYSA/USYS events. This is fine but it is a little bit misleading and it is vague by design. Applying for "permission to travel" implies that they can tell you "no." Which is strange considering these are amateur teams participating in amateur competitions where the specific organizers, participants and clubs bear the expenses. As long as the organizers have insurance in place to cover their event and terms written into applications, there is really nothing to "scare" a USYS team from ENYYSA from going to another tournament (excepting that USYS cancels their cards and kicks them from their leagues, of course).

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I don't understand what this means. Why did you post this? Larry, can you please let us know what this means. Shoukd we be concerned about our tournaments?


This is a direct shot at the NYCSL (NYCL?)/EDP "LEAGUE CUP". Basically, ENYSSA does not want the League Cup to happen so they are expressly forbidding that the USYSA cards issued by them to be used for this competition.

You are still fine playing in US Club and other tournaments sanctioned by other organizations as long as you submit and get approved "Permission to Travel" forms. But play in the League Cup will have you playing uninsured.

How can you play uninsured and play in a non-sanctioned 'tournament? How do you get field permits and refs? BTW, this is not what you say it is. This rule of no open yearlong tournaments has been the ENYYSA rule going back over the yers. The difference here is that Grossman broke the rules, and the clubs/teams dont or didnt understand the rules, and now you are all in harm's way.

Do not ry and make this out to be something new as this has been on the books since forever. You are more than welcome to play in the EDP Cup in New Jersey so long as you apply for permission to travel is how I read it. I do believe that the games will have to be played New Jersey and if you apply do your due diligence and make sure you are covered and demand to see in writing that if Grossman tells you, you are covered to prove it. Dont trust his word.

I'm not saying it's a new rule. What I'm saying is that the explicit recitation of the rule was prompted by and directed at the NYCL/EDP League Cup. I agree that last years "Open League" ran by NYCSL violated this rule as well.

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Sequential Liability is the heart of the message, which is being used to influence tournament & competition entry only into ENNYSA/USYS events. This is fine but it is a little bit misleading and it is vague by design. Applying for "permission to travel" implies that they can tell you "no." Which is strange considering these are amateur teams participating in amateur competitions where the specific organizers, participants and clubs bear the expenses. As long as the organizers have insurance in place to cover their event and terms written into applications, there is really nothing to "scare" a USYS team from ENYYSA from going to another tournament (excepting that USYS cancels their cards and kicks them from their leagues, of course).

You are correct. A team or tournament can certainly get their own insurance. It is costly, but that they can do. I'm sure the cost will passed onto the parents, but that still does not address the fact that yearlong open tournaments are not sanctioned, and that could bring about other issues.

As I alluded to in another post therne should be more on this issue this weekend or early next week based on what I am being told. To be continued.....

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Sequential Liability is the heart of the message, which is being used to influence tournament & competition entry only into ENNYSA/USYS events. This is fine but it is a little bit misleading and it is vague by design. Applying for "permission to travel" implies that they can tell you "no." Which is strange considering these are amateur teams participating in amateur competitions where the specific organizers, participants and clubs bear the expenses. As long as the organizers have insurance in place to cover their event and terms written into applications, there is really nothing to "scare" a USYS team from ENYYSA from going to another tournament (excepting that USYS cancels their cards and kicks them from their leagues, of course).


Not a single team in my club has ever had a problem with ENYSSA approving permission to travel to any non-ENYSSA tournament (meaning a single weekend tournament) that was run under another USSF sanctioning body like US Club and I don't see that changing.

To me, this is ENYSSA standing up specifically against NYCSL/NYCL/EDP's League Cup for the upcoming year and the NYCSL's Open League from last year which were season long competitions. Yes, it has been an ENYSSA rule for a long time and NYCSL violated it last year with their Open League tournament. ENYYSA is just making it clear that anyone who participates in this coming years League Cup will be doing so without their USYSA player and coaches passes providing any covering insurance.

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Sequential Liability is the heart of the message, which is being used to influence tournament & competition entry only into ENNYSA/USYS events. This is fine but it is a little bit misleading and it is vague by design. Applying for "permission to travel" implies that they can tell you "no." Which is strange considering these are amateur teams participating in amateur competitions where the specific organizers, participants and clubs bear the expenses. As long as the organizers have insurance in place to cover their event and terms written into applications, there is really nothing to "scare" a USYS team from ENYYSA from going to another tournament (excepting that USYS cancels their cards and kicks them from their leagues, of course).

Except that because ENYYSA is not approving that year-long tournament, fields in ENYYSA can not be used to host games. All games must be played in NJ.

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Sequential Liability is the heart of the message, which is being used to influence tournament & competition entry only into ENNYSA/USYS events. This is fine but it is a little bit misleading and it is vague by design. Applying for "permission to travel" implies that they can tell you "no." Which is strange considering these are amateur teams participating in amateur competitions where the specific organizers, participants and clubs bear the expenses. As long as the organizers have insurance in place to cover their event and terms written into applications, there is really nothing to "scare" a USYS team from ENYYSA from going to another tournament (excepting that USYS cancels their cards and kicks them from their leagues, of course).


Not a single team in my club has ever had a problem with ENYSSA approving permission to travel to any non-ENYSSA tournament (meaning a single weekend tournament) that was run under another USSF sanctioning body like US Club and I don't see that changing.

To me, this is ENYSSA standing up specifically against NYCSL/NYCL/EDP's League Cup for the upcoming year and the NYCSL's Open League from last year which were season long competitions. Yes, it has been an ENYSSA rule for a long time and NYCSL violated it last year with their Open League tournament. ENYYSA is just making it clear that anyone who participates in this coming years League Cup will be doing so without their USYSA player and coaches passes providing any covering insurance.

Games will not play in ENYYSA

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Sequential Liability is the heart of the message, which is being used to influence tournament & competition entry only into ENNYSA/USYS events. This is fine but it is a little bit misleading and it is vague by design. Applying for "permission to travel" implies that they can tell you "no." Which is strange considering these are amateur teams participating in amateur competitions where the specific organizers, participants and clubs bear the expenses. As long as the organizers have insurance in place to cover their event and terms written into applications, there is really nothing to "scare" a USYS team from ENYYSA from going to another tournament (excepting that USYS cancels their cards and kicks them from their leagues, of course).

Except that because ENYYSA is not approving that year-long tournament, fields in ENYYSA can not be used to host games. All games must be played in NJ.

As long as NJ USYS has sanctioned the tournament! Where is his sanctioned notice?? Has anyone seen it?

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Sequential Liability is the heart of the message, which is being used to influence tournament & competition entry only into ENNYSA/USYS events. This is fine but it is a little bit misleading and it is vague by design. Applying for "permission to travel" implies that they can tell you "no." Which is strange considering these are amateur teams participating in amateur competitions where the specific organizers, participants and clubs bear the expenses. As long as the organizers have insurance in place to cover their event and terms written into applications, there is really nothing to "scare" a USYS team from ENYYSA from going to another tournament (excepting that USYS cancels their cards and kicks them from their leagues, of course).


Not a single team in my club has ever had a problem with ENYSSA approving permission to travel to any non-ENYSSA tournament (meaning a single weekend tournament) that was run under another USSF sanctioning body like US Club and I don't see that changing.

To me, this is ENYSSA standing up specifically against NYCSL/NYCL/EDP's League Cup for the upcoming year and the NYCSL's Open League from last year which were season long competitions. Yes, it has been an ENYSSA rule for a long time and NYCSL violated it last year with their Open League tournament. ENYYSA is just making it clear that anyone who participates in this coming years League Cup will be doing so without their USYSA player and coaches passes providing any covering insurance.

Games will not play in ENYYSA

Sure, but if ENYYSA refuses to issue permission to travel for the tournament, then any passes issued by ENYSSA are still not good for that tournament despite the event not being an ENYSSA event.

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Sequential Liability is the heart of the message, which is being used to influence tournament & competition entry only into ENNYSA/USYS events. This is fine but it is a little bit misleading and it is vague by design. Applying for "permission to travel" implies that they can tell you "no." Which is strange considering these are amateur teams participating in amateur competitions where the specific organizers, participants and clubs bear the expenses. As long as the organizers have insurance in place to cover their event and terms written into applications, there is really nothing to "scare" a USYS team from ENYYSA from going to another tournament (excepting that USYS cancels their cards and kicks them from their leagues, of course).


Not a single team in my club has ever had a problem with ENYSSA approving permission to travel to any non-ENYSSA tournament (meaning a single weekend tournament) that was run under another USSF sanctioning body like US Club and I don't see that changing.

To me, this is ENYSSA standing up specifically against NYCSL/NYCL/EDP's League Cup for the upcoming year and the NYCSL's Open League from last year which were season long competitions. Yes, it has been an ENYSSA rule for a long time and NYCSL violated it last year with their Open League tournament. ENYYSA is just making it clear that anyone who participates in this coming years League Cup will be doing so without their USYSA player and coaches passes providing any covering insurance.

Games will not play in ENYYSA

Sure, but if ENYYSA refuses to issue permission to travel for the tournament, then any passes issued by ENYSSA are still not good for that tournament despite the event not being an ENYSSA event.

That is correct too! Eager to see what ENYYSA decides to do with another special end-run by Grossman.

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Sequential Liability is the heart of the message, which is being used to influence tournament & competition entry only into ENNYSA/USYS events. This is fine but it is a little bit misleading and it is vague by design. Applying for "permission to travel" implies that they can tell you "no." Which is strange considering these are amateur teams participating in amateur competitions where the specific organizers, participants and clubs bear the expenses. As long as the organizers have insurance in place to cover their event and terms written into applications, there is really nothing to "scare" a USYS team from ENYYSA from going to another tournament (excepting that USYS cancels their cards and kicks them from their leagues, of course).


Not a single team in my club has ever had a problem with ENYSSA approving permission to travel to any non-ENYSSA tournament (meaning a single weekend tournament) that was run under another USSF sanctioning body like US Club and I don't see that changing.

To me, this is ENYSSA standing up specifically against NYCSL/NYCL/EDP's League Cup for the upcoming year and the NYCSL's Open League from last year which were season long competitions. Yes, it has been an ENYSSA rule for a long time and NYCSL violated it last year with their Open League tournament. ENYYSA is just making it clear that anyone who participates in this coming years League Cup will be doing so without their USYSA player and coaches passes providing any covering insurance.

Games will not play in ENYYSA

Sure, but if ENYYSA refuses to issue permission to travel for the tournament, then any passes issued by ENYSSA are still not good for that tournament despite the event not being an ENYSSA event.

That is correct too! Eager to see what ENYYSA decides to do with another special end-run by Grossman.

I can tell it is good one. We should know by Tuesday how they did 👺👹

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It looks like EDP is organizing the NYCS league cup (you register through the EDP site). Looks like the same workaround to allow NYCSL is in place. This is all just fearmongering it seems.

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It looks like EDP is organizing the NYCS league cup (you register through the EDP site). Looks like the same workaround to allow NYCSL is in place. This is all just fearmongering it seems.

You are way off base..let me hip you what's going on. What you say is accurate BUT only for the Fall as stated in numerous posts. After this Fall season there will be major changes. The future of NYCS is in doubt as there is a hearing on that matter this evening, and hopefully BOTN will be able to report the results tomorrow or Wednesday.

ENYYSA is the new sheriff in town. After this Fall should Long island, NYC, or East Hudson teams continue to want to play in whatever EDP-NYCS configuration is they will have to play their games in New Jersey.

This is not fear mongering, this is how it will be according to our sources inside ENYYSA. There is more to the story, but it was told to me with the understanding I would not publish it at this time....like the expression goes, stay tuned.

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No way does ENYYSA allow fall business as usual for NYCS and not accomodate it for the Spring too. Makes no sense, I dont believe it.

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No way does ENYYSA allow fall business as usual for NYCS and not accomodate it for the Spring too. Makes no sense, I dont believe it.


You may not believe but it is 100% accurate. EDP knows it and NYCS knows it, so I guess it is only you who doesn't know it. This was dictated from USYSA and it is a done deal....the only reason they ar allowing the Fall season to go without changes is that it is too late for those teams to find a place to play and no wants those teams out for the Fall. Actually, USYSA and ENYYSA are making a one-time accommodation.

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What happened to Labor Day tournaments? Not enough teams sign up or couldn't get fields?

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What happened to Labor Day tournaments? Not enough teams sign up or couldn't get fields?

who cares? Their Labor day tournament is basically a susa where every player is an ATM machine tournament, nobody ever goes to them because they suck.

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No way does ENYYSA allow fall business as usual for NYCS and not accomodate it for the Spring too. Makes no sense, I dont believe it.

Come back in the spring and re-read your post

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What happened to Labor Day tournaments? Not enough teams sign up or couldn't get fields?


Their first problem was that they were getting sanctioning for the tournament through CJSL even though the location was 50 miles away in the heart of LIJSL. That was strike one. Strike two is that no one wants to give susa where every player is an ATM machine their money because of how they have worked so hard to destroy other clubs.

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