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BOTN has obtained a copy of a letter dated July 14, 2021 from ENYYSA to the CJSL advising the CJSL that ENYYSA will no longer sanction the NYCSL League or its tournaments or cups.

In our opinion, clubs and teams that have registered or plan to register need look into this issue and make adjustments accordingly.

BOTN has attached to this post a copy of the letter which documents what we have posted above.

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
BOTN has obtained a copy of a letter dated July 14, 2021 from ENYYSA to the CJSL advising the CJSL that ENYYSA will no longer sanction the NYCSL League or its tournaments or cups.

In our opinion, clubs and teams that have registered or plan to register need look into this issue and make adjustments accordingly.

BOTN has attached to this post a copy of the letter which documents what we have posted above.


Where do we play? Does this mean EDP is pulling away from NYCSL to keep relation with USYS? What about the Cup that was just announced between EDP and NYCSL? Can we get a comment from EDP?

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What does this mean for players of clubs currently in NYCSL?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
BOTN has obtained a copy of a letter dated July 14, 2021 from ENYYSA to the CJSL advising the CJSL that ENYYSA will no longer sanction the NYCSL League or its tournaments or cups.

In our opinion, clubs and teams that have registered or plan to register need look into this issue and make adjustments accordingly.

BOTN has attached to this post a copy of the letter which documents what we have posted above.


Where do we play? Does this mean EDP is pulling away from NYCSL to keep relation with USYS? What about the Cup that was just announced between EDP and NYCSL? Can we get a comment from EDP?

It is my opinion that EDP will not be 100% forthcoming as they may have had a hanc]d in using NYCSL to gain control of Long Island which they have wanted for years. Seems to me that your best bet is to go back to LIJSL or go to the CJSL and that way you will be out of harms way.

You know, or should know that for the longest time I have called both Gary Grossman (NYCSL) and Steve Shilling (EDP) soccer whores and this debacle is why....tread lightly with EDP because they do not have your team or club's best interest at heart no matter what crap they are shoveling at you.

The under the table scheme with NYCSL has outed EDP. Congrats to ENYYSA for finally showing some balls and stop being the pussy state association they have been.

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What does this mean for players of clubs currently in NYCSL?


They are [****]!! They need to get their money back from NYSCL for any future events they paid for and either go the CJSL or see if the WYSL which is USCS will take them in...maybe create a Long Island division of the WYSL.

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Where is the response from USYS?

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Where is the response from USYS?

Why does there need to be one? This isnt their call. NYCSL can appeal this decision, but there will be no NYCSL fall season unless I'm missing something or ENYYSA does a 180, which I dont think will happen. NYCSL can possibly con some oddball league into sanctioning them, but I think the road block ahead for Grossman is littered with too many potholes.

Since he now lives in Jupiter Florida perhaps it's time to try his soccer machinations there, because anyone buying into his BS will loose their money as one club so far has, and I expect those that paid for the fall will have a tough time getting their money back.

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How is this enforceable? Honest question - you are ultimately carding with USYS and you are playing in a USYS league / competition and ENYYSA wants to say you are breaking the rules by doing so?

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Good gary grossman is a douche

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How is this enforceable? Honest question - you are ultimately carding with USYS and you are playing in a USYS league / competition and ENYYSA wants to say you are breaking the rules by doing so?


Simple. NYCSL is no longer a USYSA Sanctioned league. ENYYSA has that power and they have used it. If you think I am wrong and your kid or players have a USYSA pass issued by NYCSL you should try and use it, and see if it works.

I can understand everyone's being stunned by this action as it is almost a shock to see ENYYSA show some balls, but NYCSL has woken up the lion. BOTN is already hearing from clubs and teams canceling their credit card payments for NYCSL.

I think it is time for Gary Grossman to address this issue with his former team and club supporters.

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How is this enforceable? Honest question - you are ultimately carding with USYS and you are playing in a USYS league / competition and ENYYSA wants to say you are breaking the rules by doing so?


Simple. NYCSL is no longer a USYSA Sanctioned league. ENYYSA has that power and they have used it. If you think I am wrong and your kid or players have a USYSA pass issued by NYCSL you should try and use it, and see if it works.

I can understand everyone's being stunned by this action as it is almost a shock to see ENYYSA show some balls, but NYCSL has woken up the lion. BOTN is already hearing from clubs and teams canceling their credit card payments for NYCSL.

I think it is time for Gary Grossman to address this issue with his former team and club supporters.

Whatever happened to the days where you simply played for your hometown club and none of this was an issue. Perfect example of how youth soccer is no longer just for fun... its for profit only... and the only ones making money are those that have little interest in your kid!

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How is this enforceable? Honest question - you are ultimately carding with USYS and you are playing in a USYS league / competition and ENYYSA wants to say you are breaking the rules by doing so?


Simple. NYCSL is no longer a USYSA Sanctioned league. ENYYSA has that power and they have used it. If you think I am wrong and your kid or players have a USYSA pass issued by NYCSL you should try and use it, and see if it works.

I can understand everyone's being stunned by this action as it is almost a shock to see ENYYSA show some balls, but NYCSL has woken up the lion. BOTN is already hearing from clubs and teams canceling their credit card payments for NYCSL.

I think it is time for Gary Grossman to address this issue with his former team and club supporters.

Whatever happened to the days where you simply played for your hometown club and none of this was an issue. Perfect example of how youth soccer is no longer just for fun... its for profit only... and the only ones making money are those that have little interest in your kid!

Those were the good old days and sadly the current group of parents were not soccer parents during those simpler and altruistic days, and they simply dont get it. The soccer spin doctors have been extremely successful with their addictive kool-aid. While this issue should shine some light for them my guess is they wont skip a beat and keep buying into this soccer [****] downfall.

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Every sanctioning body has rules and procedures that must be followed. If you dig through any state association’s website, you will find them if you care to know what they are.

Once NYCSL became a “subsidiary” of CJSL, they needed to follow the rules and procedures of ENYSSA. They did not.

After the transaction was announced last year, other than some cosmetic changes to the website, it still appeared that NYCSL was still its own separate entity. The only difference was who they rolled up to, which USYS instead of US Club.

Then, they started to spit in the face of EDP and ENYSSA. First, they named their divisions as the third and fourth division of the North Atlantic Leagues run by EDP for USYS, when in fact they had no relation to those leagues and were supposed to be part of CJSL. Then, NYCSL chose to have the various cups throughout the season in direct competition with ENYSSA State Cup, which caused confusion as to what is the real state cup. FYI, the only true state cup is run by ENYSSA.

They were warned of these infractions. However, they chose to ignore as they thought nothing would happen. The last straw was the entire fiasco involving the susa team and the changing of rules to accommodate their entrance into a NYCSL run cup final. Sanctioning bodies can look away at lot of things but the potential of a scandal to fix children’s soccer is not one of them, once they were alerted to the facts.

All these factors led to the decision, which could have been avoided except for hubris by one person.

Ultimately, he could go back to US Club that avenue may still be repaired.

I wish everyone affected by the decision good luck and there are other leagues where they may land.

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I am still waiting for a formal announcement from ENYYSA on this - nothing is on their website and their leagues, be it CJSL or any of the others, have not sent out this announcement to their carding members. While ENYYSA growing a pair is certainly a new thing, they are an organization who can't get out their own way most of the time and are piss poor at communicating anything to their membership. The ratio of emails I receive from USCLUB vs USYS specifically the Eastern New York State Association are 20 to 1. CJSL had a ton of clubs carding through them this past season because of NYCSL going USYS - I don't know what's kept and what gets passed on up the chain to ENYYSA and ultimately USYS, but I am sure their revenue crept up quite a bit there. I can't comment much on Grossman, as I don't know him personally, but the cup competition was a viable option for teams that aren't up to par for the ENYYSA National Championship series - ENYYSA could never find enough teams for the challenge cup. I see this as ENYYSA essentially taking away options for kids at the end of the day.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Every sanctioning body has rules and procedures that must be followed. If you dig through any state association’s website, you will find them if you care to know what they are.

Once NYCSL became a “subsidiary” of CJSL, they needed to follow the rules and procedures of ENYSSA. They did not.

After the transaction was announced last year, other than some cosmetic changes to the website, it still appeared that NYCSL was still its own separate entity. The only difference was who they rolled up to, which USYS instead of US Club.

Then, they started to spit in the face of EDP and ENYSSA. First, they named their divisions as the third and fourth division of the North Atlantic Leagues run by EDP for USYS, when in fact they had no relation to those leagues and were supposed to be part of CJSL. Then, NYCSL chose to have the various cups throughout the season in direct competition with ENYSSA State Cup, which caused confusion as to what is the real state cup. FYI, the only true state cup is run by ENYSSA.

They were warned of these infractions. However, they chose to ignore as they thought nothing would happen. The last straw was the entire fiasco involving the susa team and the changing of rules to accommodate their entrance into a NYCSL run cup final. Sanctioning bodies can look away at lot of things but the potential of a scandal to fix children’s soccer is not one of them, once they were alerted to the facts.

All these factors led to the decision, which could have been avoided except for hubris by one person.

Ultimately, he could go back to US Club that avenue may still be repaired.

I wish everyone affected by the decision good luck and there are other leagues where they may land.

Great post with one exception. I stand a better chance of being accepted by USCS tha Gary Grossman does. There is no way USCS would let him back in. Grossman [****] them and the clubs big time and candidly, I dont see where he can go. Grossman is done. Now what ENYYSA is missing is where Grossman is a silent beneficiary of certain ENYYSA sanctioned events, which they may not find out in time.

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Every sanctioning body has rules and procedures that must be followed. If you dig through any state association’s website, you will find them if you care to know what they are.

Once NYCSL became a “subsidiary” of CJSL, they needed to follow the rules and procedures of ENYSSA. They did not.

After the transaction was announced last year, other than some cosmetic changes to the website, it still appeared that NYCSL was still its own separate entity. The only difference was who they rolled up to, which USYS instead of US Club.

Then, they started to spit in the face of EDP and ENYSSA. First, they named their divisions as the third and fourth division of the North Atlantic Leagues run by EDP for USYS, when in fact they had no relation to those leagues and were supposed to be part of CJSL. Then, NYCSL chose to have the various cups throughout the season in direct competition with ENYSSA State Cup, which caused confusion as to what is the real state cup. FYI, the only true state cup is run by ENYSSA.

They were warned of these infractions. However, they chose to ignore as they thought nothing would happen. The last straw was the entire fiasco involving the susa team and the changing of rules to accommodate their entrance into a NYCSL run cup final. Sanctioning bodies can look away at lot of things but the potential of a scandal to fix children’s soccer is not one of them, once they were alerted to the facts.

All these factors led to the decision, which could have been avoided except for hubris by one person.

Ultimately, he could go back to US Club that avenue may still be repaired.

I wish everyone affected by the decision good luck and there are other leagues where they may land.

Great post with one exception. I stand a better chance of being accepted by USCS tha Gary Grossman does. There is no way USCS would let him back in. Grossman [****] them and the clubs big time and candidly, I dont see where he can go. Grossman is done. Now what ENYYSA is missing is where Grossman is a silent beneficiary of certain ENYYSA sanctioned events, which they may not find out in time.

Seems like in the end ENYYSA and LIJSL proved to be the winners in this long war... Without USCS/ENYSSA there is nowhere else to be sanctioned in NY? Unless SAY/AYSO is still an option??

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So for months this has been an issue - an on-going problem that they couldn't resolve but the last straw and announcement comes a few days before league registration deadlines. I don't condone cheating of anyway or in any capacity, and if rules are broken there should be consequences. If the contract between NYCSL and ENYYSA / CJSL had these stipulations in place, and ENYYSA turned a blind eye this whole time, they shouldn't be getting a pat on the back for finally doing something about it.

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I am still waiting for a formal announcement from ENYYSA on this - nothing is on their website and their leagues, be it CJSL or any of the others, have not sent out this announcement to their carding members. While ENYYSA growing a pair is certainly a new thing, they are an organization who can't get out their own way most of the time and are piss poor at communicating anything to their membership. The ratio of emails I receive from USCLUB vs USYS specifically the Eastern New York State Association are 20 to 1. CJSL had a ton of clubs carding through them this past season because of NYCSL going USYS - I don't know what's kept and what gets passed on up the chain to ENYYSA and ultimately USYS, but I am sure their revenue crept up quite a bit there. I can't comment much on Grossman, as I don't know him personally, but the cup competition was a viable option for teams that aren't up to par for the ENYYSA National Championship series - ENYYSA could never find enough teams for the challenge cup. I see this as ENYYSA essentially taking away options for kids at the end of the day.


We have another genius here...genius, the formal announcement is posted in the first post. Why dont you read it before making a foolish comment.

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Not claiming to be a genius by any stretch of the imagination but everything that comes from back of the net is not the end all be all. You obtained a copy, good for you. Why hasn't ENYYSA sent that out to their paying members?

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[quote=Anonymous]The last straw was the entire fiasco involving the susa team and the changing of rules to accommodate their entrance into a NYCSL run cup final. Sanctioning bodies can look away at lot of things but the potential of a scandal to fix children’s soccer is not one of them, once they were alerted to the facts.
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He had many opportunities to fix this booboo and bent over backwards to hide his mistakes and benefit susa. Sorry to those kids and teams impacted by this recent decision, but G dug his hole and got it thrown back in his face.

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I am still waiting for a formal announcement from ENYYSA on this - nothing is on their website and their leagues, be it CJSL or any of the others, have not sent out this announcement to their carding members. While ENYYSA growing a pair is certainly a new thing, they are an organization who can't get out their own way most of the time and are piss poor at communicating anything to their membership. The ratio of emails I receive from USCLUB vs USYS specifically the Eastern New York State Association are 20 to 1. CJSL had a ton of clubs carding through them this past season because of NYCSL going USYS - I don't know what's kept and what gets passed on up the chain to ENYYSA and ultimately USYS, but I am sure their revenue crept up quite a bit there. I can't comment much on Grossman, as I don't know him personally, but the cup competition was a viable option for teams that aren't up to par for the ENYYSA National Championship series - ENYYSA could never find enough teams for the challenge cup. I see this as ENYYSA essentially taking away options for kids at the end of the day.


We have another genius here...genius, the formal announcement is posted in the first post. Why dont you read it before making a foolish comment.

Formal Announcement??? Did yuu bother reading the document sent by ENYYSA to NYCSL? That isn't formal enough for you??

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Not claiming to be a genius by any stretch of the imagination but everything that comes from back of the net is not the end all be all. You obtained a copy, good for you. Why hasn't ENYYSA sent that out to their paying members?

Ask ENYYSA, but you might have to tell them who you are and we know you wont do that.

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"The last straw was the entire fiasco involving the susa team and the changing of rules to accommodate their entrance into a NYCSL run cup final."

Can someone shed light on this? What happened here and was this the final straw?

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