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Fair Waring to all.................


ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY
PURPOSE
To help prevent physical assault and verbal abuse during sanctioned events the Long Island Junior Soccer League (LIJSL), has adopted a ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY. This policy applies to all coaches, players, parents, spectators and other supporters and referees effective immediately.

Abusive and obscene language, violent play/conduct, fighting and other behavior (including, but not limited to sarcasm, taunting, etc.) deemed detrimental to the game will not be tolerated. The ultimate responsibility for the actions of coaches, players and spectators resides with all LIJSL member clubs. It is the responsibility of the coaches to provide referee support and spectator control, and it is the responsibility of the LIJSL member club to provide instructions to their coaches on how to implement sportsmanlike behavior.

This policy applies before, during and after the sanctioned event at the soccer field and its immediate surrounding areas.

Remember: the referee does not have to show a yellow card before showing a red card.

PARENTS & SPECTATORS
No parent or spectator shall persistently address the referee or assistant referees at any time.

This includes, but is not limited to:

Parents and spectators shall not dispute calls during or after the game.
Parents and spectators shall not make remarks to the referee(s) or advise the referee(s) to watch certain players or attend to rough play.
Parents and spectators shall never yell at the referee(s), including criticism, sarcasm, harassment, intimidation or feedback of any kind before, during or after the game.
Additionally, parents and spectators shall not make derogatory comments to players, spectators or coaches of either team.
PENALTIES (PARENTS & SPECTATORS)
In the opinion of the referee, depending on the severity of the offense, the referee may take any of the following actions:

The referee may issue a verbal warning to the coach of offending party’s team.
The referee may stop the game and instruct the coaches to direct the parent /spectator to leave the field.
The referee may abandon the game if the parent/spectator does not leave the field which will result in the offending team forfeiting the game and being assessed the appropriate fees and/or fines.
The ultimate responsibility for the actions of the spectators resides with LIJSL member clubs. Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their parents/spectators and may be subject to penalties and/or fines for grievous actions. A club taking NO action with a parent/spectator after being issued a warning by LIJSL may be put in bad standing with LIJSL. Additionally a team, player or coach may be suspended from all future competitions until such time appropriate action has been taken with the parent/spectator to the satisfaction of the LIJSL.

PLAYERS
The conduct of the players is governed by the Laws of the Game as stated by FIFA and USSF. The Laws themselves describe penalties associated with violating the Laws of the Game. Additional penalties for players who engage in misconduct may be established by the club or LIJSL but may in no case be less severe than penalties established by FIFA, USSF, ENYYSA or the LIJSL. In severe cases of unsporting behavior and violent conduct players will be called into a hearing with either LIJSL arbitration and or the LIJSL supervisory committee with his/her coach and/or parents for further disciplinary action. A club may also be fined for such matters. A player called to a hearing that does not appear, will be suspended from play until such time of appearance.

COACHES, ASSISTANT COACHES & TRAINERS
It is the responsibility of all coaches to maintain the highest standards of conduct for themselves, their players and supporters in all matches. Failure to do so undermines the referee’s authority and the integrity of the game resulting in a hostile environment for players, the referee(s), coaches, assistant coaches, trainers and parents/spectators.

As role models for all of the participants and spectators, coaches participating in a LIJSL, ENYYSA or USYSA sanctioned event are expected to be supportive of, and to acknowledge the effort, good play and sportsmanship on the part of ALL players from either team in a game. By example, coaches, assistant coaches and trainers are expected to show that although they are competing in a game, they have respect for their opponent, referees and spectators at all times.

The Long Island Junior Soccer League will not tolerate negative behavior exhibited either by demonstrative actions and gestures, or by ill-intentioned remarks, including those addressed toward the referees or members of an opposing team. Coaches exhibiting hostile, negative, sarcastic or otherwise ill-intended behavior toward referees, opposing players or coaches will be subject to disciplinary action by the Long Island Junior Soccer League. Additional sanctions may be imposed by the club that the coach or assistant coach represents, or as allowed by Long Island Junior Soccer League policies.

Coaches shall not interact directly or indirectly with the coaches or players of the opposing team during the game in any manner that may be construed as negative, hostile or sarcastic either by way of demonstrative actions and gestures or by ill intentioned remarks.
Coaches shall not offer dissent to any call made by the referee(s) at any time
Coaches are not to address the Referee(s) during the game except to:
Respond to a referee who has initiated a conversation.
Point out emergency or safety issues.
Make substitutions.
Absolutely no sarcasm, harassment or intimidation is allowed.
NOTE: It is recommended that coaches or other team members do not engage in any conversation with the referee(s) once the game has concluded.

PENALTIES (COACHES, ASSISTANT COACHES, TRAINERS)
In the opinion of the referee, depending on the severity of the offense, the referee may take any of the following actions:

The referee may issue a verbal warning to the offending coach, assistant coach or trainer.
The referee may eject the offending coach, assistant coach or trainer. Once ejected, the individual will be required to leave the field immediately.
The referee should abandon the game, if the coach, assistant coach or trainer does not leave the field or any immediate adjoining area after having been instructed to do so.
Additional penalties associated with the ejection of a coach, assistant coach or trainer may be assessed by an LIJSL member club in accordance with their documented policy. These penalties may be no less stringent than sanctions and/or fines as may be imposed by LIJSL following a review of the incident.

All cases of alleged assault of a referee shall be reported to the ENYYSA Office and State Referee Administrator within 48 hours of the match. LIJSL will also conduct a verification of the complaint and subsequent actions and may at their discretion impose additional penalties to the coach, assistant coach, trainer and or club.

LIJSL member clubs are responsible for the behavior of their coaches, assistant coaches, and trainers at all times.

GAMES DISBANDED PRIOR TO THE CONCLUSION BY THE REFEREE:
When a game is disbanded by the referee prior to it’s conclusion due to unsporting behavior on the part of one or both teams, the LIJSL will conduct an investigation and will issue a forfeit to either one or both teams and possibly from further competitions. The offending club(s) will also be assessed a fine which must be paid prior to the next team registration or the LIJSL member club will be put in bad standing with LIJSL. In cases of extreme unsportsmanlike behavior, in the opinion of the LIJSL, a team, player, coach, assistant coach or trainer may be banned from any further LIJSL or ENYYSA sanctioned events and competitions.

SUSPENSION, BANNING OF PLAYERS, PARENTS/SPECTATORS, COACHES, ASSISTANT COACHES OR TRAINERS
If a player, parent/spectator, coach, assistant coach or trainer is suspended/banned by LIJSL or any LIJSL member club he/she is not be allowed to participate or have any interaction with their team until they are reinstated. If a player, parent/spectator, coach, assistant coach or trainer is suspended they are suspended from all LIJSL and ENYYSA sanctioned events.

If a player, parent/spectator, coach, assistant coach or trainer wishes to attend a tournament they may request a temporary pass in writing from either the player or coach arbitration committee. The arbitration committees reserve the right to refuse to issue a temporary pass for a tournament if the suspension has resulted from a grievous action or the issuance of a temporary pass could endanger the health, welfare and safety of those attending the tournament. Tournament games missed will not be considered as part of the suspension.

LIJSL as a youth organization reserves the right to suspend/ban any participant that endangers the health, welfare and safety of its membership.

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Bet none of you yahoo's knew about a zero tolerance policy - here it is.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Bet none of you yahoo's knew about a zero tolerance policy - here it is.
And that zero tolerance policy has helped? Or are there still issues? Based on this thread, I'm assuming it hasn't done much. Why do you think that is?

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Bet none of you yahoo's knew about a zero tolerance policy - here it is.


"Zero tolerance" has been around for a while but it's a tad unrealistic so the refs each set their own lines in the sand.

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I understand the need to find "Where are all the referees" and the need to enforce a zero tolerance policy. I can honestly say I have never questioned a Ref or AR for making a bad offsides call or an obvious handball. But a good Ref or AR should always intervene when a Kids health is at risk. I have seen many slide tackles from behind with no chance to get to the ball without going through the player and the ref does not even call this clear foul with a yellow. I have seen a high school game the other day that a player hit the ball purposely with his hand to avoid a definite goal inside the box and all that was given was a PK and a yellow. Per FIFA rules an intentional handball that would have been a goal in the box is an automatic red and a PK. Either Refs and AR are so afraid that just don't want to give a card but they should always ref the game from the side of a child's safety. My last example was at the Jeff Cup a u16 kid jumped and cleated a player in the chest (the ball was about 5 feet high) and the player was knocker on his but and the ref was not going to call it but the coach almost had a baby on the sideline (hyperbole) had the kid pull his jersey up and you can count the studs. The ref then called the foul but no yellow which should have been given. I guess bad refs are all over the country......

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We shall see!
You better Hope that I dont see you on the sidelines - it wont be pretty.

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I have seen a high school game the other day that a player hit the ball purposely with his hand to avoid a definite goal inside the box and all that was given was a PK and a yellow. Per FIFA rules an intentional handball that would have been a goal in the box is an automatic red and a PK. Either Refs and AR are so afraid that just don't want to give a card but they should always ref the game from the side of a child's safety.
Too bad you weren't playing under FIFA rules. NFHS rules differ. DOGSO in the box is a yellow card under NFHS and has been a couple of years.
https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource-content/soccer-rules-changes-2018-19/

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Bet none of you yahoo's knew about a zero tolerance policy - here it is.


"Zero tolerance" has been around for a while but it's a tad unrealistic so the refs each set their own lines in the sand.
What is unrealistic is some of the parents expectations from the game that leads to the misbehavior. You can argue all day long about whether rules are right or wrong but they are in place, have been in place and should come as no surprise to anyone. What it does do for referees aside from what they already have from the LOTG is the additional discretion to enforce the ZTP.

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I have seen a high school game the other day that a player hit the ball purposely with his hand to avoid a definite goal inside the box and all that was given was a PK and a yellow. Per FIFA rules an intentional handball that would have been a goal in the box is an automatic red and a PK. Either Refs and AR are so afraid that just don't want to give a card but they should always ref the game from the side of a child's safety.
Too bad you weren't playing under FIFA rules. NFHS rules differ. DOGSO in the box is a yellow card under NFHS and has been a couple of years.
https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource-content/soccer-rules-changes-2018-19/

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Not for fouls that don't involve making a play for the ball. Handling, pushing, pulling, etc are still red cards even if within the box as they didn't involve a play for the ball.

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Bet none of you yahoo's knew about a zero tolerance policy - here it is.


"Zero tolerance" has been around for a while but it's a tad unrealistic so the refs each set their own lines in the sand.
What is unrealistic is some of the parents expectations from the game that leads to the misbehavior. You can argue all day long about whether rules are right or wrong but they are in place, have been in place and should come as no surprise to anyone. What it does do for referees aside from what they already have from the LOTG is the additional discretion to enforce the ZTP.

Question for LiRef: if parents do yell about calls during the game and the ref just ignores it the whole game, is he subject to any disciplinary action for not following the ZTP even if he did the right thing by ignoring it?

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I have seen a high school game the other day that a player hit the ball purposely with his hand to avoid a definite goal inside the box and all that was given was a PK and a yellow. Per FIFA rules an intentional handball that would have been a goal in the box is an automatic red and a PK. Either Refs and AR are so afraid that just don't want to give a card but they should always ref the game from the side of a child's safety.
Too bad you weren't playing under FIFA rules. NFHS rules differ. DOGSO in the box is a yellow card under NFHS and has been a couple of years.
https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource-content/soccer-rules-changes-2018-19/

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Not for fouls that don't involve making a play for the ball. Handling, pushing, pulling, etc are still red cards even if within the box as they didn't involve a play for the ball.
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12-8-1f, 15 (NEW): 1. A player, coach or bench personnel shall be cautioned (yellow card) for:
15. A player who commits an offense against an opponent within his/her team penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, if the offense was an attempt to play the ball.
Rationale: This change addresses the issues of denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity (DOGSO) that occur in the game that places a player and team in double jeopardy when applying a penalty.

My point was it doesn't matter what FIFA rules say. You have to look at NFHS rules.

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I have seen a high school game the other day that a player hit the ball purposely with his hand to avoid a definite goal inside the box and all that was given was a PK and a yellow. Per FIFA rules an intentional handball that would have been a goal in the box is an automatic red and a PK. Either Refs and AR are so afraid that just don't want to give a card but they should always ref the game from the side of a child's safety.
Too bad you weren't playing under FIFA rules. NFHS rules differ. DOGSO in the box is a yellow card under NFHS and has been a couple of years.
https://www.nfhs.org/sports-resource-content/soccer-rules-changes-2018-19/

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Not for fouls that don't involve making a play for the ball. Handling, pushing, pulling, etc are still red cards even if within the box as they didn't involve a play for the ball.
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12-8-1f, 15 (NEW): 1. A player, coach or bench personnel shall be cautioned (yellow card) for:
15. A player who commits an offense against an opponent within his/her team penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, if the offense was an attempt to play the ball.
Rationale: This change addresses the issues of denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity (DOGSO) that occur in the game that places a player and team in double jeopardy when applying a penalty.

My point was it doesn't matter what FIFA rules say. You have to look at NFHS rules.

Read your own quote. "if the offense was an attempt to play the ball". Handling, pushing, pulling, etc are still red cards.

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Bet none of you yahoo's knew about a zero tolerance policy - here it is.


"Zero tolerance" has been around for a while but it's a tad unrealistic so the refs each set their own lines in the sand.
What is unrealistic is some of the parents expectations from the game that leads to the misbehavior. You can argue all day long about whether rules are right or wrong but they are in place, have been in place and should come as no surprise to anyone. What it does do for referees aside from what they already have from the LOTG is the additional discretion to enforce the ZTP.

Question for LiRef: if parents do yell about calls during the game and the ref just ignores it the whole game, is he subject to any disciplinary action for not following the ZTP even if he did the right thing by ignoring it?

So you are asking that if the parents violate the ZTP and the referee does nothing is HE subject to discipline? The answer is an obvious NO. The ZTP is another tool for the referee to use. Apparently you disagree with the ZTP since you consider the referee ignoring it to be doing the right thing? But if he lets the crowd bash him the entire game he will not be having a good game. DO you think any referee likes being yelled at the entire game? Do you think that could affect his performance?

If he does not enforce the ZTP just like if he does not call obvious fouls he is not subject to discipline. If he was being evaluated by an assessor he would fail his assessment if he does not call appropriate fouls or other violations of the Laws of the Game.

That could result in him getting lower level games by an assignor if they know he blew several important calls during a highly competitive game, but since we don’t exactly have a surplus of referees, I’m not sure the problem would be solved.

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Originally Posted by LoveThisGame20
I understand the need to find "Where are all the referees" and the need to enforce a zero tolerance policy. I can honestly say I have never questioned a Ref or AR for making a bad offsides call or an obvious handball. But a good Ref or AR should always intervene when a Kids health is at risk. I have seen many slide tackles from behind with no chance to get to the ball without going through the player and the ref does not even call this clear foul with a yellow. I have seen a high school game the other day that a player hit the ball purposely with his hand to avoid a definite goal inside the box and all that was given was a PK and a yellow. Per FIFA rules an intentional handball that would have been a goal in the box is an automatic red and a PK. Either Refs and AR are so afraid that just don't want to give a card but they should always ref the game from the side of a child's safety. My last example was at the Jeff Cup a u16 kid jumped and cleated a player in the chest (the ball was about 5 feet high) and the player was knocker on his but and the ref was not going to call it but the coach almost had a baby on the sideline (hyperbole) had the kid pull his jersey up and you can count the studs. The ref then called the foul but no yellow which should have been given. I guess bad refs are all over the country......

NEWSFLASH - Yes we refs do make mistakes and yes we refs do miss calls. It happens from U6 all the way to the EPL. It doesn't mean there are bad refs all over the country...it means that the refs are human all over the country. I'm sure if you added up all the plays in a game where a ref had to make a decision and/or all the times in a game where the ref blew his/her whistle, the vast majority of the time the ref would be correct and the errors like the ones you pointed out would be minimal.

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Bet none of you yahoo's knew about a zero tolerance policy - here it is.


"Zero tolerance" has been around for a while but it's a tad unrealistic so the refs each set their own lines in the sand.
What is unrealistic is some of the parents expectations from the game that leads to the misbehavior. You can argue all day long about whether rules are right or wrong but they are in place, have been in place and should come as no surprise to anyone. What it does do for referees aside from what they already have from the LOTG is the additional discretion to enforce the ZTP.

Question for LiRef: if parents do yell about calls during the game and the ref just ignores it the whole game, is he subject to any disciplinary action for not following the ZTP even if he did the right thing by ignoring it?

So you are asking that if the parents violate the ZTP and the referee does nothing is HE subject to discipline? The answer is an obvious NO. The ZTP is another tool for the referee to use. Apparently you disagree with the ZTP since you consider the referee ignoring it to be doing the right thing? But if he lets the crowd bash him the entire game he will not be having a good game. DO you think any referee likes being yelled at the entire game? Do you think that could affect his performance?

If he does not enforce the ZTP just like if he does not call obvious fouls he is not subject to discipline. If he was being evaluated by an assessor he would fail his assessment if he does not call appropriate fouls or other violations of the Laws of the Game.

That could result in him getting lower level games by an assignor if they know he blew several important calls during a highly competitive game, but since we don’t exactly have a surplus of referees, I’m not sure the problem would be solved.

No need to be defensive, it was a legitimate question. I've seen some really thick skinned officials who were good at letting things roll off their back. I do think the ZTP is a good thing at the youth level.

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NEWSFLASH - Yes we refs do make mistakes and yes we refs do miss calls. It happens from U6 all the way to the EPL. It doesn't mean there are bad refs all over the country...it means that the refs are human all over the country. I'm sure if you added up all the plays in a game where a ref had to make a decision and/or all the times in a game where the ref blew his/her whistle, the vast majority of the time the ref would be correct and the errors like the ones you pointed out would be minimal.
Of course there are bad refs all over the country. They are a small percentage of the ones you see though. Just like there are bad parents, coaches, and players all over the country.

Let's say (just to make the math easy), 10% "bad" people. At most, you'll see three refs in one game. That means you'd have to watch at least four games to run into a "bad" one. Coaches you might have 2, 3, 4, 5, or even 6 (total between the teams) at each game. So it will take anywhere from 2-5 games before you run into a "bad" one. Fans? You'd probably have at least 20, maybe close to 100 at each game. That's going to give you a couple (if not more) each game.

By far the majority of refs do a good job. A very small handful are "bad". I bet if you looked at it, the majority of the parents you've dealt with do just fine, and a handful are truly "bad". But somehow it's good to say "parents shouldn't be allowed at the field".

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as the season begins - a reminder
Treat the officiating crew as professionals with the upmost respect- the way that you would want to be treated yourself.
Be reasonable - there is nothing worse than someone who wants the call to go the other way when it is obvious it is not.
Respect is a two way street. If you are not respectful yourself - you cannot expect that you will be treated fairly.
The directive for LIJSL's zero tolerance policy is being reinforced for this coming season.
You will find that ref's will not put up with the sarcasm or the abuse any longer.
The choice is yours.
Comments/debate/dispute and arguing will not be tolerated.

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You will find that ref's will not put up with the sarcasm or the abuse any longer.
Comments/debate/dispute and arguing will not be tolerated.

I call BS on both statements. Within a week (two at the outside) refs will be complaining about the "abuses" they've suffered. Ask them if they ejected anyone. Bet you the answer is "no". You want it to stop... use the tools available to you at the time.

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I have witnessed several High School games this season,the officiating has been sub par to put it mildly. They are overweight, slow to follow play and have missed way too many calls to mention. Obvious penalties, off-sides, hand balls, etc, etc. Jericho has been the victim most of the times.

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I have witnessed several High School games this season,the officiating has been sub par to put it mildly. They are overweight, slow to follow play and have missed way too many calls to mention. Obvious penalties, off-sides, hand balls, etc, etc. Jericho has been the victim most of the times.
Good thing you've signed up for classes. Once you get certified, you can be out there and bring up the level of the referees on your own.

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What's a jericho?

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I have witnessed several High School games this season,the officiating has been sub par to put it mildly. They are overweight, slow to follow play and have missed way too many calls to mention. Obvious penalties, off-sides, hand balls, etc, etc. Jericho has been the victim most of the times.
Good thing you've signed up for classes. Once you get certified, you can be out there and bring up the level of the referees on your own.
You must be one of the bad one's since you are deflecting and refuse to acknowledge the issue of existing bad referees. Your solution is to get new one's. What do we do about the current bad batch? If you hired a contractor to do some work (most if not all expect a substantial amount of $$$ up front) and once the work is complete you are not satisfied. Would you accept the "oh well, I hope you learn and get certified to do contracting work". I'm sure you wouldn't.

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I have witnessed several High School games this season,the officiating has been sub par to put it mildly. They are overweight, slow to follow play and have missed way too many calls to mention. Obvious penalties, off-sides, hand balls, etc, etc. Jericho has been the victim most of the times.
Good thing you've signed up for classes. Once you get certified, you can be out there and bring up the level of the referees on your own.
You must be one of the bad one's since you are deflecting and refuse to acknowledge the issue of existing bad referees. Your solution is to get new one's. What do we do about the current bad batch? If you hired a contractor to do some work (most if not all expect a substantial amount of $$$ up front) and once the work is complete you are not satisfied. Would you accept the "oh well, I hope you learn and get certified to do contracting work". I'm sure you wouldn't.

Most parents, and even a surprising number of coaches and trainers, do not know or understand the rules. And then they try to apply their ignorance to calls made, or not made, halfway across the field as opposed to trusting the judgement of the referee or AR that is 20 yards away from the action. There are some bad refs, but the vast majority are making the right calls most of the time. When I'm just a spectator I am constantly amused by the amount of sheer nonsense coming from the sidelines.

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[quote=Anonymous]I have witnessed several High School games this season,the officiating has been sub par to put it mildly. They are overweight, slow to follow play and have missed way too many calls to mention. Obvious penalties, off-sides, hand balls, etc, etc. Jericho has been the victim most of the times.
Good thing you've signed up for classes. Once you get certified, you can be out there and bring up the level of the referees on your own.
You must be one of the bad one's since you are deflecting and refuse to acknowledge the issue of existing bad referees. Your solution is to get new one's. What do we do about the current bad batch? If you hired a contractor to do some work (most if not all expect a substantial amount of $$$ up front) and once the work is complete you are not satisfied. Would you accept the "oh well, I hope you learn and get certified to do contracting work". I'm sure you wouldn't.


Hey,
Let me put my 2 cents here. I was a parent who couldn't stand some referee calls and I was so vocal about and one time I had a parent who confronted me saying it's his daughter who is refereeing the game and what if it was my daughter out there and how I would feel about people screaming at her for what ever calls she did or didn't do. And you know what I did, I took the class with my daughter and became a referee. In my class, there were mostly high school kids and there was two coaches, and 3 adults like me. One coach didn't finish the class and 2 adults also did quit.
I am referring the games now for the last 6 years and yes, we, referees are not perfect. Most of the adult referees, like me, do this for the love of the game and/or want to be more involved with their kids. It's not our primary jobs, t's more like a hobby. Don't expect much from high school kids who do this for the money or because their parents did them to do it though I admire them for doing it just because they could. I also admire those guys who are trying their best to produce referees for youth soccer. Most of them doing it almost for free. So, I tell you this, be happy for what you have. With the infrastructure of youth sport (I know only about soccer) You could easily end up having a single coach refereeing the game for all ages. I see a lot of crazy stuff coming from parents and coaches, which makes me very sad. Don't be that asshole who creams on referees during youth games ( and I am not saying you are). We all want everything perfect, I get that.

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I have witnessed several High School games this season,the officiating has been sub par to put it mildly. They are overweight, slow to follow play and have missed way too many calls to mention. Obvious penalties, off-sides, hand balls, etc, etc. Jericho has been the victim most of the times.
Good thing you've signed up for classes. Once you get certified, you can be out there and bring up the level of the referees on your own.
You must be one of the bad one's since you are deflecting and refuse to acknowledge the issue of existing bad referees. Your solution is to get new one's. What do we do about the current bad batch? If you hired a contractor to do some work (most if not all expect a substantial amount of $$$ up front) and once the work is complete you are not satisfied. Would you accept the "oh well, I hope you learn and get certified to do contracting work". I'm sure you wouldn't.
Since this board allows anonymous posters, you have no idea if I'm a ref, a parent, a player, or just a fan. You also have no idea if this is my first post on the board or my one millionth.

The more "good" workers you have, the less you have to rely on the poor ones. Pretty simple really.

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