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Re: The new MLS youth league
Anonymous #748062 09/30/20 09:03 PM
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That's the point big fish that's not da or mls

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Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

RB or NYCFC 2005s. light years ahead of all non MLS teams. if your kid is not playing mls academy your wasting your $4,000 per year take that $ and invest in a college fund

And if your kid is playing on a MLS team you are wasting your gas money, chances are HE won't make it either

Very true but he will have 20 times more of a chance than your kid and he's not paying for it

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Look let's face it - developing WC talent will only happen if there is incentive to do so, and even with the signing on to the FIFA rules for player compensation, it aint' happening here in the good ol' US of A. MLS is a monopolistic cabal that effectively owns the USNT (through the SUM marketing and distribution revenue). Sure, USSF, and by extension SUM and MLS could make a little more if our MNT teams were more effective, but really they are banking on not having such disasterous luck in the CONCACAF hex again. They'll make it just good enough to get through to the WC proper, take their $$, and give a carp about winning. Also, no offence to Jurgen et al, but after reading "Das Reboot", he sorta sucks and my big takeaway is you win the WC when you have the luck of the talent coming together at the same time (France, Germany, Spain, Brasil, etc). The game today is all about big $$, big transfers and big risk and the USA has decided to play small ball... it's not bad business - the buy-in for new MLS franchises is ~$200mm - think of that as their Series E venture capital round -- implies the total post-money valuation of the whole biz (MLS, which owns the teams and a % of SUM) is $6bn (30 clubs X $200mm). Total estimated value of PL is ~$9.5bn(1) - top clubs obvs very valuable but drops off quick because of pro/rel. So, to protect their franchises and value, MLS pays crap to players, isn't a top 20 club in the world (nor will it ever will be), and has an "academy" that any other country in the world would laff at. It's really too bad - we all know we could compete with Europe if we gave a damn, but unfortunately the writing is on the wall. I think the kids coming up are great, but please, look at the young French, Germans, Italians and English and tell me we're even playing the same game. Sorry for the rant.

(1) https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1. This is obviously woefully low, given the recent Man City/CFG investment by Silver Lake valuing the biz at ~$5bn, but that also includes the entire CFG biz (which, ironically, includes NYCFC)

The answer is skip the MLS and move to europe to develop your talent. Sergiño Dest just signed for Barcelona. With Reyna, Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams all 21 or under the US has the core of a great generation of talent coming through. Now we just need to replace that clown of a coach, preferably with a non-US model.

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Larry Miller #748079 10/01/20 09:59 PM
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What’s your opinion of Filippo and Giuseppe moving to Europe to coach ?

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Look let's face it - developing WC talent will only happen if there is incentive to do so, and even with the signing on to the FIFA rules for player compensation, it aint' happening here in the good ol' US of A. MLS is a monopolistic cabal that effectively owns the USNT (through the SUM marketing and distribution revenue). Sure, USSF, and by extension SUM and MLS could make a little more if our MNT teams were more effective, but really they are banking on not having such disasterous luck in the CONCACAF hex again. They'll make it just good enough to get through to the WC proper, take their $$, and give a carp about winning. Also, no offence to Jurgen et al, but after reading "Das Reboot", he sorta sucks and my big takeaway is you win the WC when you have the luck of the talent coming together at the same time (France, Germany, Spain, Brasil, etc). The game today is all about big $$, big transfers and big risk and the USA has decided to play small ball... it's not bad business - the buy-in for new MLS franchises is ~$200mm - think of that as their Series E venture capital round -- implies the total post-money valuation of the whole biz (MLS, which owns the teams and a % of SUM) is $6bn (30 clubs X $200mm). Total estimated value of PL is ~$9.5bn(1) - top clubs obvs very valuable but drops off quick because of pro/rel. So, to protect their franchises and value, MLS pays crap to players, isn't a top 20 club in the world (nor will it ever will be), and has an "academy" that any other country in the world would laff at. It's really too bad - we all know we could compete with Europe if we gave a damn, but unfortunately the writing is on the wall. I think the kids coming up are great, but please, look at the young French, Germans, Italians and English and tell me we're even playing the same game. Sorry for the rant.

(1) https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1. This is obviously woefully low, given the recent Man City/CFG investment by Silver Lake valuing the biz at ~$5bn, but that also includes the entire CFG biz (which, ironically, includes NYCFC)

The answer is skip the MLS and move to europe to develop your talent. Sergiño Dest just signed for Barcelona. With Reyna, Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams all 21 or under the US has the core of a great generation of talent coming through. Now we just need to replace that clown of a coach, preferably with a non-US model.

This is spot on. You do not need to be recognized here if you are good enough to TRY OUT in Europe. Many more oppurtunities in Europe, people who have not conned their way into the US system all work on their ancestry and getting that EU passport. There are many paths if you are willing to keep working. The US/MLS is simply not interested in cultivating a large amount of US citizen talent. Does not work out for their profit margin.

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Look let's face it - developing WC talent will only happen if there is incentive to do so, and even with the signing on to the FIFA rules for player compensation, it aint' happening here in the good ol' US of A. MLS is a monopolistic cabal that effectively owns the USNT (through the SUM marketing and distribution revenue). Sure, USSF, and by extension SUM and MLS could make a little more if our MNT teams were more effective, but really they are banking on not having such disasterous luck in the CONCACAF hex again. They'll make it just good enough to get through to the WC proper, take their $$, and give a carp about winning. Also, no offence to Jurgen et al, but after reading "Das Reboot", he sorta sucks and my big takeaway is you win the WC when you have the luck of the talent coming together at the same time (France, Germany, Spain, Brasil, etc). The game today is all about big $$, big transfers and big risk and the USA has decided to play small ball... it's not bad business - the buy-in for new MLS franchises is ~$200mm - think of that as their Series E venture capital round -- implies the total post-money valuation of the whole biz (MLS, which owns the teams and a % of SUM) is $6bn (30 clubs X $200mm). Total estimated value of PL is ~$9.5bn(1) - top clubs obvs very valuable but drops off quick because of pro/rel. So, to protect their franchises and value, MLS pays crap to players, isn't a top 20 club in the world (nor will it ever will be), and has an "academy" that any other country in the world would laff at. It's really too bad - we all know we could compete with Europe if we gave a damn, but unfortunately the writing is on the wall. I think the kids coming up are great, but please, look at the young French, Germans, Italians and English and tell me we're even playing the same game. Sorry for the rant.

(1) https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1. This is obviously woefully low, given the recent Man City/CFG investment by Silver Lake valuing the biz at ~$5bn, but that also includes the entire CFG biz (which, ironically, includes NYCFC)

The answer is skip the MLS and move to europe to develop your talent. Sergiño Dest just signed for Barcelona. With Reyna, Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams all 21 or under the US has the core of a great generation of talent coming through. Now we just need to replace that clown of a coach, preferably with a non-US model.

This is spot on. You do not need to be recognized here if you are good enough to TRY OUT in Europe. Many more oppurtunities in Europe, people who have not conned their way into the US system all work on their ancestry and getting that EU passport. There are many paths if you are willing to keep working. The US/MLS is simply not interested in cultivating a large amount of US citizen talent. Does not work out for their profit margin.
I think that sums things up quite nicely.

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How do you propose kids without a European passport can possibly take this “go to Europe” fantasy route to the pros ? The FIFA transfer rules are quite clear on banning international transfers between ages 10-18.

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Dest : has ever even been to the U.S.? Born and raised in Netherlands.
Pulisic: Grew up in US and moved to Dortmund age 16 because he could get a Croatian (EU) passport . EU citizens can do international transfers at age 16. Developed in the US before that .
Adams: Moved to Europe at 20. Developed in the US.
McKennie: Moved to Europe at 18. Developed mostly in US but lived some as a kid in Germany as a young kid .

For the vast majority of American soccer players MLS is the best and only way to develop unless we will have a national team made of mostly dual nationals .

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Larry Miller #748093 10/02/20 11:54 AM
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If the kid is good enough the foreign clubs will know by 16-18yrs old.
The transition from U18 to college or MLS then to Europe isn't likely.
Can the rookie of the year in MLS play in La Liga or Premier or Bundesliga?

MLS League is just a glorified old DA League its another reason why US Soccer isn't developing too many leagues we are a watered down for profit Soccer country.

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How do you propose kids without a European passport can possibly take this “go to Europe” fantasy route to the pros ? The FIFA transfer rules are quite clear on banning international transfers between ages 10-18.

Not my problem, as they said in Braveheart “You’re F—-ed”. Working on it for my kid. Besides there are plenty of other places to play, Turkey China Australia New Zealand Korea, leagues all across the world if that is what your kid wants to do.

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If the kid is good enough the foreign clubs will know by 16-18yrs old.
The transition from U18 to college or MLS then to Europe isn't likely.
Can the rookie of the year in MLS play in La Liga or Premier or Bundesliga?

MLS League is just a glorified old DA League its another reason why US Soccer isn't developing too many leagues we are a watered down for profit Soccer country.

That’s great but they can’t transfer until their 18th birthday unless they have a way to get a European passport then they can in most cases not do it until their 16th birthday .

Also I really don’t think European clubs pay that much attention to American teenagers unless they are in youth national teams or really the very best players at an MLS academy .
Redbulls and NYCFC do have the plus of a connection with good European clubs .

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How do you propose kids without a European passport can possibly take this “go to Europe” fantasy route to the pros ? The FIFA transfer rules are quite clear on banning international transfers between ages 10-18.

Not my problem, as they said in Braveheart “You’re F—-ed”. Working on it for my kid. Besides there are plenty of other places to play, Turkey China Australia New Zealand Korea, leagues all across the world if that is what your kid wants to do.

The FIFA rules apply to all countries not just the EU and none of the countries you mention are any better than the US at soccer development except maybe a couple clubs in Turkey .

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Dest : has ever even been to the U.S.? Born and raised in Netherlands.
Pulisic: Grew up in US and moved to Dortmund age 16 because he could get a Croatian (EU) passport . EU citizens can do international transfers at age 16. Developed in the US before that .
Adams: Moved to Europe at 20. Developed in the US.
McKennie: Moved to Europe at 18. Developed mostly in US but lived some as a kid in Germany as a young kid .

For the vast majority of American soccer players MLS is the best and only way to develop unless we will have a national team made of mostly dual nationals .

Its well documented most of the current US wunderkids in europe went regularly for tryouts and camps with clubs in europe. This was arranged through contacts. But as someone else has pointed out, there are plenty of scouts from european clubs here in the states. If your kid is good enough he will be scouted at an early age. But on the flipside your kid is NOT going to develop to their full potential playing here in the US. This is just the way it is, Europe is the primary destination for young Brazilian talent too, and they have a full soccer culture.
Bottom line: if your kid has not been picked up at 15 then the most you can hope for is an MLS contract.

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If the kid is good enough the foreign clubs will know by 16-18yrs old.
The transition from U18 to college or MLS then to Europe isn't likely.
Can the rookie of the year in MLS play in La Liga or Premier or Bundesliga?

MLS League is just a glorified old DA League its another reason why US Soccer isn't developing too many leagues we are a watered down for profit Soccer country.

That’s great but they can’t transfer until their 18th birthday unless they have a way to get a European passport then they can in most cases not do it until their 16th birthday .

Also I really don’t think European clubs pay that much attention to American teenagers unless they are in youth national teams or really the very best players at an MLS academy .
Redbulls and NYCFC do have the plus of a connection with good European clubs .

Hate to break it to you but if your kid is not at a MLS academy by 15 then maybe you should be thinking of college at best

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If the kid is good enough the foreign clubs will know by 16-18yrs old.
The transition from U18 to college or MLS then to Europe isn't likely.
Can the rookie of the year in MLS play in La Liga or Premier or Bundesliga?

MLS League is just a glorified old DA League its another reason why US Soccer isn't developing too many leagues we are a watered down for profit Soccer country.

That’s great but they can’t transfer until their 18th birthday unless they have a way to get a European passport then they can in most cases not do it until their 16th birthday .

Also I really don’t think European clubs pay that much attention to American teenagers unless they are in youth national teams or really the very best players at an MLS academy .
Redbulls and NYCFC do have the plus of a connection with good European clubs .

Hate to break it to you but if your kid is not at a MLS academy by 15 then maybe you should be thinking of college at best

We will see

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Hate to break it to you but more than half the kids at a mls academy at 15 don’t make it to u19. Get over yourself.

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Hate to break it to you but most kids at any academy even in Europe never go pro . Academies are machines that take kids in and spit them out and every once in a while produce a good pro player .

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In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”

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In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
In Europe playing in an academy and not making it,gives you a sense of pride that you made it that far,here you feel that you failed,culture,lack of love for the game,what is in it for me and on and on,ridiculous from the top down

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In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
In Europe playing in an academy and not making it,gives you a sense of pride that you made it that far,here you feel that you failed,culture,lack of love for the game,what is in it for me and on and on,ridiculous from the top down

And 99% of them get a sense of failing when they are eventually cut and the realization that spent all their time pursuing football instead of other interests academic and otherwise. Do most of those academies prepare the kids for jobs other than football?

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In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
In Europe playing in an academy and not making it,gives you a sense of pride that you made it that far,here you feel that you failed,culture,lack of love for the game,what is in it for me and on and on,ridiculous from the top down

And 99% of them get a sense of failing when they are eventually cut and the realization that spent all their time pursuing football instead of other interests academic and otherwise. Do most of those academies prepare the kids for jobs other than football?

And 99% of parents get a sense of being conned when they eventually add up how much they spent on little Johnnys soccer for 10 years, instead of using that $50,000 for his college fund

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In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
In Europe playing in an academy and not making it,gives you a sense of pride that you made it that far,here you feel that you failed,culture,lack of love for the game,what is in it for me and on and on,ridiculous from the top down

And 99% of them get a sense of failing when they are eventually cut and the realization that spent all their time pursuing football instead of other interests academic and otherwise. Do most of those academies prepare the kids for jobs other than football?

And 99% of parents get a sense of being conned when they eventually add up how much they spent on little Johnnys soccer for 10 years, instead of using that $50,000 for his
college fund

I thought we all are going to get college for free soon

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In England of kids who enter an academy at age 9 less than 1% ever make it as a pro at any level. As Bowie said “It Ain’t Easy.”
In Europe playing in an academy and not making it,gives you a sense of pride that you made it that far,here you feel that you failed,culture,lack of love for the game,what is in it for me and on and on,ridiculous from the top down

And 99% of them get a sense of failing when they are eventually cut and the realization that spent all their time pursuing football instead of other interests academic and otherwise. Do most of those academies prepare the kids for jobs other than football?

And 99% of parents get a sense of being conned when they eventually add up how much they spent on little Johnnys soccer for 10 years, instead of using that $50,000 for his
college fund

I thought we all are going to get college for free soon

You say it like it is a bad thing .

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And 99% of parents get a sense of being conned when they eventually add up how much they spent on little Johnnys soccer for 10 years, instead of using that $50,000 for his
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What's wrong with paying for little Johnny's soccer for 10 years? You sounds like 'financial adviser' who offers solutions like
. Don't pay for cable - you can save so much $$$ in 20 years
. For your vocations, no need to go oversees and learn about the world. Find some cheaper options and save money
. Don't buy expensive outfit, go to cheaper stores and save money
. and etc.

I am pretty sure most of the families understand what are the chances that their kids going to make to professional sport and still pay for their kids to have the best possible experience just because they love their kids.

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You say it like it is a bad thing .[/quote]

And you say it like someone who won't be paying for it. But what the heck, suck the life out of the 1% and then when they are dead move to the next 1% if they haven't fled yet, right?

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