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Re: The new MLS youth league
Larry Miller #747921 09/27/20 10:52 AM
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Klimsmann was starting to change the culture just didnt have the players. American soccer is about being strong , fast and athletic. European soccer has more of a mental , creative aspect. The kids we have in europe now are learning real soccer Which is why playets like pulisic, reyna etc will make the national team better. They wont learn much from coaches like bradley. We need coaches to teach the game

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That’s the point. They have a few legit players and the rest are there due to politics. They went from Bradley to Trapp. The whole organization is a sham. They got rid of Klinsman because he wouldn’t play by there rules. Players like Bradley complained about a coach who has accomplished everything you can in soccer and the powers that be listened to these spoiled underachieving 2nd level type players.

Klinsmann is a terrible manager. Great player who became a con artist. Should have never gotten the job in the first place and set us back.

How did he set us back? By playing half the crap they still play/played ? I look forward to your thoughts on this.

He played players out of position all the time, had some embarrassing losses, didn't take Donovan to the World Cup, tactically terrible, and many other issues. He probably had a lot of good ideas on how to reform soccer in the U.S., but that isn't the job of the National Team manager, that is the job for a technical director or whatever. He sucked.

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Klimsmann was starting to change the culture just didnt have the players. American soccer is about being strong , fast and athletic. European soccer has more of a mental , creative aspect. The kids we have in europe now are learning real soccer Which is why playets like pulisic, reyna etc will make the national team better. They wont learn much from coaches like bradley. We need coaches to teach the game

How did he change the culture exactly?

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Larry Miller #747929 09/27/20 04:40 PM
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Scores from the weekend?

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Larry Miller #747931 09/27/20 06:00 PM
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Look let's face it - developing WC talent will only happen if there is incentive to do so, and even with the signing on to the FIFA rules for player compensation, it aint' happening here in the good ol' US of A. MLS is a monopolistic cabal that effectively owns the USNT (through the SUM marketing and distribution revenue). Sure, USSF, and by extension SUM and MLS could make a little more if our MNT teams were more effective, but really they are banking on not having such disasterous luck in the CONCACAF hex again. They'll make it just good enough to get through to the WC proper, take their $$, and give a carp about winning. Also, no offence to Jurgen et al, but after reading "Das Reboot", he sorta sucks and my big takeaway is you win the WC when you have the luck of the talent coming together at the same time (France, Germany, Spain, Brasil, etc). The game today is all about big $$, big transfers and big risk and the USA has decided to play small ball... it's not bad business - the buy-in for new MLS franchises is ~$200mm - think of that as their Series E venture capital round -- implies the total post-money valuation of the whole biz (MLS, which owns the teams and a % of SUM) is $6bn (30 clubs X $200mm). Total estimated value of PL is ~$9.5bn(1) - top clubs obvs very valuable but drops off quick because of pro/rel. So, to protect their franchises and value, MLS pays crap to players, isn't a top 20 club in the world (nor will it ever will be), and has an "academy" that any other country in the world would laff at. It's really too bad - we all know we could compete with Europe if we gave a damn, but unfortunately the writing is on the wall. I think the kids coming up are great, but please, look at the young French, Germans, Italians and English and tell me we're even playing the same game. Sorry for the rant.

(1) https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1. This is obviously woefully low, given the recent Man City/CFG investment by Silver Lake valuing the biz at ~$5bn, but that also includes the entire CFG biz (which, ironically, includes NYCFC)

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Larry Miller #747935 09/27/20 08:08 PM
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US soccer is run by people with absolute knowledge of soccer. Klinsman was not a politician and the did not play nice in the sandbox. The players Complained because he didn’t care what they thought he should do. Just look at Bradley ( biggest whiner of the bunch, probably wanted daddy to coach). Klinsman actually wanted the academy to run properly not politically

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Anonymous #747948 09/28/20 08:50 AM
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Said he was starting to, not he did. He was teaching more of a mental game. My opinion im sure not everyone will agree. I saw a difference between a klimsman team amd a bradley/arena team. Again, just my opinion.

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Anonymous #747951 09/28/20 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Klimsmann was starting to change the culture just didnt have the players. American soccer is about being strong , fast and athletic. European soccer has more of a mental , creative aspect. The kids we have in europe now are learning real soccer Which is why playets like pulisic, reyna etc will make the national team better. They wont learn much from coaches like bradley. We need coaches to teach the game
The U.S should encourage more creative play, more 5v5 futsal at early ages so players can learn how to make the ball a "part" of them. Just look at the South American players style of play.

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Larry Miller #747952 09/28/20 09:23 AM
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What NY teams are in this league

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Scores from the weekend?

Look up...the link is on top under the sponsor banners.

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Larry Miller #747964 09/28/20 02:17 PM
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Who cares. It’s a glorified travel league. Parents paying top dollar for nothing

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Larry Miller #747985 09/28/20 08:19 PM
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what league would you suggest is better.

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Larry Miller #747995 09/28/20 10:18 PM
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U can do any league. At this point they r all the same.

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Larry Miller #747998 09/29/20 07:48 AM
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You are a clown, let's take the 2005 age group as an example, name a better team Cedar Stars Bergen that plays in EDP or ECNL - the silence is deafening because you one does not exist. Let's take the 2004 age group, name a better team than Met Oval, once again you can not. There are some decent one off teams at other clubs but top to bottom across all age groups the ECNL and EDP clubs can not compete with the old DA teams.

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Larry Miller #748001 09/29/20 08:06 AM
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You are the idiot. Can cedar stars play met oval right now ? No they can’t , so right now you will play the same teams over and over. They are not even keeping a record of the games. And lastly there are plenty of teams out there that not only could keep up with the teams you mentioned but would beat them. Get out of your bubble. That’s what I’ll call you from now on, Bubble boy

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Anonymous #748002 09/29/20 08:09 AM
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U r wrong,one da team here and one da team there does not make a better league ,and the coaching ain't that good and mls not much better

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You are the idiot. Can cedar stars play met oval right now ? No they can’t , so right now you will play the same teams over and over. They are not even keeping a record of the games. And lastly there are plenty of teams out there that not only could keep up with the teams you mentioned but would beat them. Get out of your bubble. That’s what I’ll call you from now on, Bubble boy

hmm- can cedar stars play met oval? yes
are they keeping records of the games? yes - link on top of this page

I’m not your Bubble Boy but I’ve seen a lot of teams and leagues and would be interested in what teams you are thinking of?

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Larry Miller #748004 09/29/20 08:25 AM
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MLS league is clearly the best overall league for boys soccer. Does that mean there arent good teams in BECNL or EDP that can beat some MLS league teams? Of course not. But the overall league experience and average quality of play across teams in the MLS league is the highest we have. Just because some 'as good or better' teams exist outside of the league does not negate that MLS League is the best organized competition.

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Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

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Anonymous #748021 09/29/20 04:52 PM
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Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

RB or NYCFC 2005s. light years ahead of all non MLS teams. if your kid is not playing mls academy your wasting your $4,000 per year take that $ and invest in a college fund

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Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

RB or NYCFC 2005s. light years ahead of all non MLS teams. if your kid is not playing mls academy your wasting your $4,000 per year take that $ and invest in a college fund

And if your kid is playing on a MLS team you are wasting your gas money, chances are HE won't make it either

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Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

RB or NYCFC 2005s. light years ahead of all non MLS teams. if your kid is not playing mls academy your wasting your $4,000 per year take that $ and invest in a college fund

i do laugh at the comparisons to non DA- At the HS ages you are most likely paying 2k for spring training and games- at least with the academies you are getting a fall, winter, and spring with 2 seasons, tournaments, and 4x/week training.....

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Anonymous #748036 09/30/20 07:21 AM
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Of course RB and NYCFC are better than the non-MLS teams, that was not the point. However the Red Bull's made a curios decision by taking a kid who could not start on the Bergen u17 team but somehow is good enough for Red Bull's u17? Go Figure. The point was name an ECNL or EDP team at 2005 that can compete with the best 2005 Bergen team - I do not think one exists.

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Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

RB or NYCFC 2005s. light years ahead of all non MLS teams. if your kid is not playing mls academy your wasting your $4,000 per year take that $ and invest in a college fund
Are you following the discussion? The ask was for the person arguing there are NON-DA teams that were better than Bergen?

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Why can't Bergen play Met Oval? They are playing Gottschee this weekend so not sure what the issue is with playing Met Oval. They played NY Soccer Club the first week of the season and FC Westchester the 2nd week of the season so it is not a NY/NJ issue.

Also what 2005 team do you think can keep up with Bergen?

who cares. Big Fish in a tiny pond

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