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Re: EDP takes over NYCSL. NPL Club v Club goes to EDP National League
Larry Miller #742454 07/06/20 10:20 PM
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So in looking at registration for the fall the new fee is $800 per team last spring it was $400 per team. So the credit for the the spring of $400 goes to the fall and you have to pay an additional $400. Very slick Gary not a credit at all just kept the fees. That’s criminal

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Larry Miller #742461 07/06/20 11:02 PM
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Is it really $800 for the fall? That is criminal.

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So in looking at registration for the fall the new fee is $800 per team last spring it was $400 per team. So the credit for the the spring of $400 goes to the fall and you have to pay an additional $400. Very slick Gary not a credit at all just kept the fees. That’s criminal

It’s $800 fall and spring $400 for spring only EDP is &875 full year

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Anonymous #742480 07/07/20 09:17 AM
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So in looking at registration for the fall the new fee is $800 per team last spring it was $400 per team. So the credit for the the spring of $400 goes to the fall and you have to pay an additional $400. Very slick Gary not a credit at all just kept the fees. That’s criminal

That $800 is for the full year.

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The ECNL Boys has a better geographical diversity than the new MLS League - Boys ECNL 20-21 Map While US Club/ECNL lost out here in the NYC metro area, it was very successful in getting former DA clubs in many other parts of the country - including NC, California and Washington State. The Boys ECNL is much closer in quality to the new MLS league than it was too the Boys DA league. Don't see why the ECNL would want to cut ties with the LI clubs. They are important for the NE Conference and when (it's definitely a when and not if) the MLS league decides to cut out non-MLS clubs, the Boys ECNL will be well positioned to absorb Met Oval, BWG, NYSC, FCW and the others at that time.

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Here is a question to ponder...for Long Island where there is no longer a US Club Soccer presence, are clubs like Albertson, East meadow, and SUSA who have ECNL teams, but no other teams supporting or playing in US Club (not their fault) keep their ECNL status?

It is very clear that US Club Soccer got soccer punched in the gut, and are very pissed. I wonder how they will react to losing this top, top soccer market? Your thoughts?

GG is to blame. NPL was growing with good clubs and GG started changing the rules on the fly allowing clubs to by their way in SUSA buys isa, Cedar Stars & SPA then GG allowed Barca in but not KK.
US club then usurped gg with ECNL relegating NPL to Second tier status and the decline was on with GG creating a new league every year.

ECNL Boys Does not have The National presence that USYS has. There are too many Geographical gaps in ECNL Boys that Is why they have the use 3/2 model. The LI boys ECNL club teams are typically in the bottom third of the standings at all age groups.

The ECNL girls side is in much better shape.

Child please...ECNL Li Boys teams cannot Match up with the best USYS. NL Conf teams and USYS NL Conf. Is much closer aligned than ECNL..

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Anonymous #743153 07/10/20 05:28 PM
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That is partially true. If you are playing for two different teams within the SAME club....yes, you can be club passed and declare one team for the state cup. However, if you plan on playing in both LIJSL and EDP....one of the teams that you play for MUST be in the premiere leagues of EDP. Unless they make some sort of concession...which I have heard they may via passing through got soccer Vs LIJSL....players will not be able to play in NYCSL and LIJSL. It will be the same pass.

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Larry Miller #743157 07/10/20 05:45 PM
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Isn’t NYCSL done?

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Anonymous #743165 07/10/20 06:43 PM
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Isn’t NYCSL done?


It's now a sub-division of CJSL but in reality it's done.

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Larry Miller #743792 07/21/20 07:59 AM
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Dear US Club Soccer members in the NY/CT metro area:

Since the recent announcement that NYCSL and CCSL will no longer honor its sanctioning agreement with US Club Soccer and will align with EDP and US Youth Soccer beginning this fall, we have been in constant discussion with many clubs and leaders in the region. In these discussions, the feedback we have received from the clubs has been consistent and overwhelming. While every club has a unique perspective in some ways on how this decision may impact them, it's abundantly clear that virtually no clubs were given any notice or information on this decision prior to its announcement, virtually no clubs had input as to what they desired or felt was best, and every club was put in a difficult position because the timing of the announcement deliberately gave no organization time to adequately plan for the upcoming fall soccer season.

Like you, we were also given no notice of this decision and ability to plan for it, which combined with the general uncertainty created by COVID-19 has further complicated this situation.

Over the past two weeks, we have carefully considered a variety of options, and the appropriate way, to help and support the many, many teams and clubs that wish to remain in US Club Soccer.

Due to the ongoing uncertainty created by COVID-19, and in the interest of creating a well-developed, well-planned, and top-notch product, US Club Soccer will delay the start of a new league to replace the former NYCSL until the spring of 2021. To be very clear, US Club Soccer is committed to providing league and cup competition in this area – and will be launching such a platform in January of 2021. However, we do not want to rush a plan of action for the fall due to the incredibly short timelines deliberately created by the cynical manner in which the recent events transpired.

Our plan for January of 2021 and beyond is to create a league that is governed by the clubs, and for the clubs. It is US Club Soccer's intention to administer the new league in the inaugural year, and at the appropriate time, transition the administration duties to whomever the clubs decides is the right fit. The league and its leadership, as determined by the clubs, will determine all rules and regulations, bylaws and operations. It is US Club Soccer's intention to create a non-profit entity, with all proceeds retained by the league and re-invested in the league and players, not a for-profit organization.

In the first year, US Club Soccer will create a reasonable league administration fee, that we feel will be more than amenable to the clubs/teams, but that will still allow for monies to cover coaching development programs and post-season financial support. Because the league is not intended to produce a profit for an individual or individuals, it will be possible to keep costs well below the myriad of fees that are now being charged in the market. We are cognizant of the financial and other challenges players, parents, and clubs are facing and are focused on ensuring the new league addresses those issues.

Thanks for the encouragement and feedback throughout the week. We hear you and look forward to a continuing partnership. For more information, please contact your US Club Soccer Membership Services Representative, Mike Gould, at mgould@usclubsoccer.org or (732) 564-4440.

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Larry Miller #743799 07/21/20 10:03 AM
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Whatever happened to USCS's Alliance Soccer League?

Start a new league mid-year? Clubs will join leagues for the fall, then what; leave and switch?

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Larry Miller #743801 07/21/20 10:31 AM
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"we were also given no notice of this decision and ability to plan for it"

Once again MG got blind sided.

He's probably got emails and voice mails from two years ago that haven't been responded to.

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Larry Miller #743805 07/21/20 12:26 PM
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Can someone with knowledge please answer the following?
Can my daughter play EDP and also NYPL with 2 different clubs now with these changes?
Thank you.

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Anonymous #743809 07/21/20 01:21 PM
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Can someone with knowledge please answer the following?
Can my daughter play EDP and also NYPL with 2 different clubs now with these changes?
Thank you.


Maybe. EDP and NYPL are now both carded through USYSA. Normally you are restricted to having only one USYSA card from a single club. An exception was made by ENYSSA to allow a player to card for a "regular" travel league such as LIJSL with one club while also having a separate "premier" card for EDP from a second club.

I believe that CJSL players are eligible for the same exemption that LIJSL players have but I am not sure. But even if CJSL players are eligible for that exemption, with NYCSL being a separate sub-entity under CJSL I'm not sure if such an exemption carries over with that.

Our club has decided to pull all of our teams out of NYCSL for the fall and are instead putting all teams either in LIJSL or EDP (or both) rather than having to worry about it. We also have concerns about the health of NYCSL overall as we expect them to lose a lot of teams now that they are no longer using US Club passes and are no longer part of US Clubs State Cup program. With NYCSL expecting the full years payment up front, we don't want to potentially be throwing all that money away if the league ends up not having enough teams to fill divisions or worse, do not play at all due to Covid and end up not issuing refunds.

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Larry Miller #743813 07/21/20 02:05 PM
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So the answer is maybe ?
Great, doesn't help.

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Anonymous #743818 07/21/20 02:48 PM
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LIJSL boys U9 town teams played on Saturday’s. Boys U9 NYCSL teams played on Sunday. Would this still be the same? Would a child still be able to do the two leagues. I’m sure a lot people here probably have older kids but would love the guidance. Thanks

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Anonymous #743831 07/21/20 09:01 PM
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Can someone with knowledge please answer the following?
Can my daughter play EDP and also NYPL with 2 different clubs now with these changes?
Thank you.


Maybe. EDP and NYPL are now both carded through USYSA. Normally you are restricted to having only one USYSA card from a single club. An exception was made by ENYSSA to allow a player to card for a "regular" travel league such as LIJSL with one club while also having a separate "premier" card for EDP from a second club.

I believe that CJSL players are eligible for the same exemption that LIJSL players have but I am not sure. But even if CJSL players are eligible for that exemption, with NYCSL being a separate sub-entity under CJSL I'm not sure if such an exemption carries over with that.

Our club has decided to pull all of our teams out of NYCSL for the fall and are instead putting all teams either in LIJSL or EDP (or both) rather than having to worry about it. We also have concerns about the health of NYCSL overall as we expect them to lose a lot of teams now that they are no longer using US Club passes and are no longer part of US Clubs State Cup program. With NYCSL expecting the full years payment up front, we don't want to potentially be throwing all that money away if the league ends up not having enough teams to fill divisions or worse, do not play at all due to Covid and end up not issuing refunds.

Its all up to the individual leagues themselves. CJSL ALLOWS players to play on two different clubs as long as on team is playing in a higher level like EDP. However that player must decide which teams roster he or she wants to play on for State Cup.

Advice.. speak to your club coach or administrator. They should know the answers. Or just contact the leagues.

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Larry Miller #743833 07/21/20 09:52 PM
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You do realize that playing two games back to back every weekend is a recipe to burn out your kid. Absolutely zero need to have kids play on two teams, it is the height of stupidity.

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You do realize that playing two games back to back every weekend is a recipe to burn out your kid. Absolutely zero need to have kids play on two teams, it is the height of stupidity.
But it’s ok to play three different sports?

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Anonymous #743835 07/21/20 11:24 PM
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"we were also given no notice of this decision and ability to plan for it"

Once again MG got blind sided.

He's probably got emails and voice mails from two years ago that haven't been responded to.

His customer service is horrible.

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Larry Miller #743846 07/22/20 09:36 AM
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GG did what he does best, look out for #1 and from the start of JSS and NYCSL to the way he flipped it in the dead of night during a pandemic he's shown once again that he is brilliant. Doesn't have many fans, but boy oh boy he has quite the bank account

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GG did what he does best, look out for #1 and from the start of JSS and NYCSL to the way he flipped it in the dead of night during a pandemic he's shown once again that he is brilliant. Doesn't have many fans, but boy oh boy he has quite the bank account

I think what you are saying is Gary Grossman is a prick. He is. He will step over you if you're on the ground and keep walking, but he may see if you have a wallet on you first.

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Three different sports in the same season? No that is no ok - I am an orthopedic surgeon in a sports medicine practice in New York - so yes I know what I am talking about. ACL reconstructs are up around 150% relative to 10 years ago, which I believe is a direct result of over training.

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Larry Miller #743894 07/22/20 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
GG did what he does best, look out for #1 and from the start of JSS and NYCSL to the way he flipped it in the dead of night during a pandemic he's shown once again that he is brilliant. Doesn't have many fans, but boy oh boy he has quite the bank account

I think what you are saying is Gary Grossman is a prick. He is. He will step over you if you're on the ground and keep walking, but he may see if you have a wallet on you first.

I'm stealing this line! Spot on btw.

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You do realize that playing two games back to back every weekend is a recipe to burn out your kid. Absolutely zero need to have kids play on two teams, it is the height of stupidity.
But it’s ok to play three different sports?

Actually, yes. Playing multiple sports works against mental burnout and sharpens a more diverse set of muscles.

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Larry Miller #743925 07/23/20 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Originally Posted by Anonymous
GG did what he does best, look out for #1 and from the start of JSS and NYCSL to the way he flipped it in the dead of night during a pandemic he's shown once again that he is brilliant. Doesn't have many fans, but boy oh boy he has quite the bank account

I think what you are saying is Gary Grossman is a prick. He is. He will step over you if you're on the ground and keep walking, but he may see if you have a wallet on you first.

PT Barnum and a Con Man wrapped into one. Always just looking out for himself, ALWAYS!!!
he is probably reading this laughing and still sleeps like a baby

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