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USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 #724920 07/31/19 11:47 AM
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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Larry Miller] #725023 08/02/19 10:26 AM
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Hey! Just be glad your kid doesn't play for Crossfire Premier in Seattle. With the new tiered 18/19 system, the team's nearest away league game is 800 miles away. This despite winning its division in the age group the last two seasons over MLS teams.

Oh.... wait a minute, was Crossfire Premier involved in some "disagreements" with USSF about $ owed the club per FIFA rules for training compensation and transfer fees for former Crossfire player Deandre Yedlin? Why yes, they were involved in some "disagreements."

Hmmm wonder why the two-time reigning division champion is in the lower tier.... Way to go USSF!

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Larry Miller] #725027 08/02/19 11:16 AM
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Yeah, the new Red/Blue split at DA U18/19 really puts all of the local non-MLS clubs down to second tier status. Why give up HS soccer for that?

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Larry Miller] #725028 08/02/19 11:36 AM
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My son is younger. What's the new split? MLS / non-MLS ? Is it coming to younger ages?

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #725029 08/02/19 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is younger. What's the new split? MLS / non-MLS ? Is it coming to younger ages?


Info here:

https://www.socceramerica.com/publi...ment-academy-shakeup-us-soccer-move.html

Of course where is there currently no info? On the DA website!

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #725030 08/02/19 11:56 AM
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My son is younger. What's the new split? MLS / non-MLS ? Is it coming to younger ages?

For this season it's only U18/19 - 36 teams (including all 22 MLS teams) in top Red division; and 44 teams in Blue second tier. Teams will only play the other division teams at showcases, the new DA cup, and playoffs (for those who make it).

Good bet this will be introduced in at least some of the lower age groups in the next few years.

Once again, US Soccer makes soccer decisions in the boardroom based on political concerns rather than on the field. As someone mentioned above, Crossfire which has been best academy club in NW at U18/19 last 2 years got demoted down to Blue Tier. Just pathetic how the crony US Soccer/SUM/MLS cartel operates.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #725032 08/02/19 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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My son is younger. What's the new split? MLS / non-MLS ? Is it coming to younger ages?

For this season it's only U18/19 - 36 teams (including all 22 MLS teams) in top Red division; and 44 teams in Blue second tier. Teams will only play the other division teams at showcases, the new DA cup, and playoffs (for those who make it).

Good bet this will be introduced in at least some of the lower age groups in the next few years.

Once again, US Soccer makes soccer decisions in the boardroom based on political concerns rather than on the field. As someone mentioned above, Crossfire which has been best academy club in NW at U18/19 last 2 years got demoted down to Blue Tier. Just pathetic how the crony US Soccer/SUM/MLS cartel operates.


From Soccer America article: The criteria U.S. Soccer used to divide the clubs was: "performance history, player production, market and the ability to provide meaningful games."


Inter Miami CF is in the top tier. Miami's new MLS academy team has never played a game! What "history," "production" do they have?!

Yes, it's expected they will poach the best from the area clubs (Weston, Kendall, etc.), but still they should have to earn it--a concept not familiar to USSF/SUM/MLS who prefer to reward buying (rather than playing) your way to the top.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #725036 08/02/19 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
My son is younger. What's the new split? MLS / non-MLS ? Is it coming to younger ages?

For this season it's only U18/19 - 36 teams (including all 22 MLS teams) in top Red division; and 44 teams in Blue second tier. Teams will only play the other division teams at showcases, the new DA cup, and playoffs (for those who make it).

Good bet this will be introduced in at least some of the lower age groups in the next few years.

Once again, US Soccer makes soccer decisions in the boardroom based on political concerns rather than on the field. As someone mentioned above, Crossfire which has been best academy club in NW at U18/19 last 2 years got demoted down to Blue Tier. Just pathetic how the crony US Soccer/SUM/MLS cartel operates.


From Soccer America article: The criteria U.S. Soccer used to divide the clubs was: "performance history, player production, market and the ability to provide meaningful games."


Inter Miami CF is in the top tier. Miami's new MLS academy team has never played a game! What "history," "production" do they have?!

Yes, it's expected they will poach the best from the area clubs (Weston, Kendall, etc.), but still they should have to earn it--a concept not familiar to USSF/SUM/MLS who prefer to reward buying (rather than playing) your way to the top.


By all accounts Miami did poach a lot of Weston players, but I agree it's utter BS to put a new club in the top tier until the prove themselves. Demoting Crossfire is also absurd.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #725037 08/02/19 04:06 PM
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How about Virginia Development Academy — which is located in Washington DC area— having to play against teams in Florida and vice versa. Whose idea was that?

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #725042 08/02/19 06:38 PM
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All the non MLS team should leave the academy
and form their own league.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Larry Miller] #725062 08/03/19 09:47 AM
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From an Inter Miami DA coach on Twitter:

"Good news: Will get to see Atlanta, Columbus, Orlando City, and Toronto FC U-19 academies play in FL vs Inter Miami for DA.

Bad news: Unless any of these clubs have made a MASSIVE error their top 17-19 year olds should already be on MLS HGP contracts or USL affiliate contracts."

This gets to the larger issue of the DA at that age and the current state of the overall development picture in the US.

At an MLS DA the U18/19 should be chock full of 16 year olds some 17 and even some 15s—kids playing up for experience and development with an eye toward signing them (ideally selling most of them one day, but there's no transfer market here). In truth if you're 18 or 19 at a purportedly professional team's academy and the team isn't planning to sign you, you're just there trying out for an NCAA roster spot and then maybe someday playing in USL league 2.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #725077 08/04/19 07:08 AM
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All the non MLS team should leave the academy
and form their own league.


At some point DA will break up. Either MLS still leaves and does their own thing, or if the new two tier system is adopted for all age groups then more non MLS clubs will leave. Either way the MLS clubs get what they want. And really it's just highlighting the obvious - unless you're on an MLS team you should at least carefully evaluate if doing DA is worth the time, money and giving up HS.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2019/Spring 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #725078 08/04/19 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
From an Inter Miami DA coach on Twitter:

"Good news: Will get to see Atlanta, Columbus, Orlando City, and Toronto FC U-19 academies play in FL vs Inter Miami for DA.

Bad news: Unless any of these clubs have made a MASSIVE error their top 17-19 year olds should already be on MLS HGP contracts or USL affiliate contracts."

This gets to the larger issue of the DA at that age and the current state of the overall development picture in the US.

At an MLS DA the U18/19 should be chock full of 16 year olds some 17 and even some 15s—kids playing up for experience and development with an eye toward signing them (ideally selling most of them one day, but there's no transfer market here). In truth if you're 18 or 19 at a purportedly professional team's academy and the team isn't planning to sign you, you're just there trying out for an NCAA roster spot and then maybe someday playing in USL league 2.


Even on MLS teams the majority are still there to land a good college spot. They know they're not going pro.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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From an Inter Miami DA coach on Twitter:

"Good news: Will get to see Atlanta, Columbus, Orlando City, and Toronto FC U-19 academies play in FL vs Inter Miami for DA.

Bad news: Unless any of these clubs have made a MASSIVE error their top 17-19 year olds should already be on MLS HGP contracts or USL affiliate contracts."

This gets to the larger issue of the DA at that age and the current state of the overall development picture in the US.

At an MLS DA the U18/19 should be chock full of 16 year olds some 17 and even some 15s—kids playing up for experience and development with an eye toward signing them (ideally selling most of them one day, but there's no transfer market here). In truth if you're 18 or 19 at a purportedly professional team's academy and the team isn't planning to sign you, you're just there trying out for an NCAA roster spot and then maybe someday playing in USL league 2.


Even on MLS teams the majority are still there to land a good college spot. They know they're not going pro.


That's what was said in the post.

That is not, however, how it should be for a "professional" academy.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
From an Inter Miami DA coach on Twitter:

"Good news: Will get to see Atlanta, Columbus, Orlando City, and Toronto FC U-19 academies play in FL vs Inter Miami for DA.

Bad news: Unless any of these clubs have made a MASSIVE error their top 17-19 year olds should already be on MLS HGP contracts or USL affiliate contracts."

This gets to the larger issue of the DA at that age and the current state of the overall development picture in the US.

At an MLS DA the U18/19 should be chock full of 16 year olds some 17 and even some 15s—kids playing up for experience and development with an eye toward signing them (ideally selling most of them one day, but there's no transfer market here). In truth if you're 18 or 19 at a purportedly professional team's academy and the team isn't planning to sign you, you're just there trying out for an NCAA roster spot and then maybe someday playing in USL league 2.


Even on MLS teams the majority are still there to land a good college spot. They know they're not going pro.


That's what was said in the post.

That is not, however, how it should be for a "professional" academy.


No it shouldn't but is. That's partly why MLS clubs want out of DA so they can develop pros. However soccer is still not a highly desired career path in the US. I could see MLS clubs winnow down to just one or two teams (oldest ages) and charging for younger players until the cream starts to rise to the top

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