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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: Anonymous] #723401 06/12/19 11:05 AM
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Some of the town teams you have to live in that town like Garden City. What you have not said is what birth year your son is 2010? 2009? Also what skill level is your son?

He is a 2010, skill level, Scale of 1 thru 10, (10 being the highest), I would say 7.


At that age it's all about development. No team is perfect. Ideally, you want a good coach and good players for him to practice against. Most important is where will he have the most fun with friends and look forward to it, so that he tries really hard. Usually what they get out of it is a byproduct of how much they put into it. Keep it fun


Yes keep it fun he's only U9/ 10?? Pressure will only lead him to quit at 15/16

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: Anonymous] #723402 06/12/19 11:06 AM
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Some of the town teams you have to live in that town like Garden City. What you have not said is what birth year your son is 2010? 2009? Also what skill level is your son?

He is a 2010, skill level, Scale of 1 thru 10, (10 being the highest), I would say 7.


At that age it's all about development. No team is perfect. Ideally, you want a good coach and good players for him to practice against. Most important is where will he have the most fun with friends and look forward to it, so that he tries really hard. Usually what they get out of it is a byproduct of how much they put into it. Keep it fun



Agreed. Also go to the place that's closest, easiest, most fun and has a parent pool you want to talk to as you'll be spending a lot of time with them in the next few years. There will be so many changes both in any team that you are on and in your son's physique that it's way too early to be sacrificing yourself unless he's so keen to excel that he's out in the garden daily for hours, kicking a ball against the garage wall. There are so many hurdles ahead of you both and then just wait until soccer's competitors kick in - girls, cars, weed, video games, beer and sloth - in no particular order. Don't get too caught up in it too early, if he is keen, your son will find his own peer group and tell you where he wants to be. By the time they are 16, all the better players on the Island will know each other, how they rank and they'll make sure they play together. And promise yourself you'll never coach from the sideline, or call out the ref, you'll have several stress free years ahead if you can follow that, as it's truly only a game. It's ultimately odd to see them at U18, with their beards and men's physiques running around in shorts after a ball. So many of them grow out of it, even the ones with promise, they'd rather go the college they prefer than sacrifice their education and more importantly, their social life for a pointless game that no-one will be watching anyway. Chill, enjoy and don't get too caught up in it. Wish someone had told me that eight years ago.

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: Anonymous] #723405 06/12/19 11:32 AM
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Some of the town teams you have to live in that town like Garden City. What you have not said is what birth year your son is 2010? 2009? Also what skill level is your son?

He is a 2010, skill level, Scale of 1 thru 10, (10 being the highest), I would say 7.


At that age it's all about development. No team is perfect. Ideally, you want a good coach and good players for him to practice against. Most important is where will he have the most fun with friends and look forward to it, so that he tries really hard. Usually what they get out of it is a byproduct of how much they put into it. Keep it fun



Agreed. Also go to the place that's closest, easiest, most fun and has a parent pool you want to talk to as you'll be spending a lot of time with them in the next few years. There will be so many changes both in any team that you are on and in your son's physique that it's way too early to be sacrificing yourself unless he's so keen to excel that he's out in the garden daily for hours, kicking a ball against the garage wall. There are so many hurdles ahead of you both and then just wait until soccer's competitors kick in - girls, cars, weed, video games, beer and sloth - in no particular order. Don't get too caught up in it too early, if he is keen, your son will find his own peer group and tell you where he wants to be. By the time they are 16, all the better players on the Island will know each other, how they rank and they'll make sure they play together. And promise yourself you'll never coach from the sideline, or call out the ref, you'll have several stress free years ahead if you can follow that, as it's truly only a game. It's ultimately odd to see them at U18, with their beards and men's physiques running around in shorts after a ball. So many of them grow out of it, even the ones with promise, they'd rather go the college they prefer than sacrifice their education and more importantly, their social life for a pointless game that no-one will be watching anyway. Chill, enjoy and don't get too caught up in it. Wish someone had told me that eight years ago.


Very insightful. That being said, which of the mentioned clubs in original post would you suggest?

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: Anonymous] #723410 06/12/19 12:08 PM
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Some of the town teams you have to live in that town like Garden City. What you have not said is what birth year your son is 2010? 2009? Also what skill level is your son?

He is a 2010, skill level, Scale of 1 thru 10, (10 being the highest), I would say 7.


At that age it's all about development. No team is perfect. Ideally, you want a good coach and good players for him to practice against. Most important is where will he have the most fun with friends and look forward to it, so that he tries really hard. Usually what they get out of it is a byproduct of how much they put into it. Keep it fun



Agreed. Also go to the place that's closest, easiest, most fun and has a parent pool you want to talk to as you'll be spending a lot of time with them in the next few years. There will be so many changes both in any team that you are on and in your son's physique that it's way too early to be sacrificing yourself unless he's so keen to excel that he's out in the garden daily for hours, kicking a ball against the garage wall. There are so many hurdles ahead of you both and then just wait until soccer's competitors kick in - girls, cars, weed, video games, beer and sloth - in no particular order. Don't get too caught up in it too early, if he is keen, your son will find his own peer group and tell you where he wants to be. By the time they are 16, all the better players on the Island will know each other, how they rank and they'll make sure they play together. And promise yourself you'll never coach from the sideline, or call out the ref, you'll have several stress free years ahead if you can follow that, as it's truly only a game. It's ultimately odd to see them at U18, with their beards and men's physiques running around in shorts after a ball. So many of them grow out of it, even the ones with promise, they'd rather go the college they prefer than sacrifice their education and more importantly, their social life for a pointless game that no-one will be watching anyway. Chill, enjoy and don't get too caught up in it. Wish someone had told me that eight years ago.


Very insightful. That being said, which of the mentioned clubs in original post would you suggest?


It seriously does depend on where you live, as you'll be driving to training but I'd definitely remove Albertson immediately. Garden City is strong and super intense but a lot of the kids are big on Lacrosse, Farmingdale is family friendly with good turf, Lynbrook is hard to park at, Mineola can be a bit brutal, I have seen nasty coaches 'I could put nine traffic cones on the field and they'd play better than you', Hota is excellent but do you want to spend and I really don't know much about NHP. All I know is my wife never forgave me when my kid moved from a lovely town team with a great parents' sideline to a super-serious, predominantly Latino team with few parents at the games and none she could converse with. Still hasn't. Don't underestimate the social side of it. Your kid will need to want to have the boys over your house and you'll be away in Maryland, Pennsylvania and Jersey half the time, so if it's not a peer group you identify with, stay away, at least until he hits his full height and you know where you really stand.

PS One club you are missing is Levittown, I'd probably be looking there first.

Good luck, stay sane.

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: Anonymous] #723644 06/17/19 12:23 PM
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So my son's possession-based team played against Red Bulls RDS.
All they did was high press... does anyone else find this highly detrimental to the region's overall youth soccer development?
Or do they actually play/practice possession as well (and this was just game strategy)?

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: spaceboy] #723658 06/17/19 03:12 PM
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Get used to it. Teams want wins so they can market themselves as top clubs and get parents money. You end up with a high press and high defensive line and a lot of bypassing the midfield. A possession based team will often lose against teams that use that style. It creates chances by pressuring young kids into mistakes because their technical skills arent high enough and they dont have the experience or awareness to get out of those situations yet.

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: spaceboy] #723666 06/17/19 04:01 PM
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Get used to it. Teams want wins so they can market themselves as top clubs and get parents money. You end up with a high press and high defensive line and a lot of bypassing the midfield.


Which for the RDS players... are they truly improving their soccer skills by becoming really good at pressing?
And doesn't this just encourage more kick and run from any team facing this, thereby furthering the ineptitude of our country's soccer program?

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: Anonymous] #723667 06/17/19 04:16 PM
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Get used to it. Teams want wins so they can market themselves as top clubs and get parents money. You end up with a high press and high defensive line and a lot of bypassing the midfield.


Which for the RDS players... are they truly improving their soccer skills by becoming really good at pressing?
And doesn't this just encourage more kick and run from any team facing this, thereby furthering the ineptitude of our country's soccer program?

If their technical skills aren't high enough then the trainers should work on that aspect, no ? Either that or get players that know how to control and shield from opponent. Kids who crumble under pressure never learned how to play out of the back. All they did was kick the ball out of bounds at the first sign of danger.

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: Anonymous] #723689 06/18/19 10:35 AM
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Get used to it. Teams want wins so they can market themselves as top clubs and get parents money. You end up with a high press and high defensive line and a lot of bypassing the midfield.


Which for the RDS players... are they truly improving their soccer skills by becoming really good at pressing?
And doesn't this just encourage more kick and run from any team facing this, thereby furthering the ineptitude of our country's soccer program?

If their technical skills aren't high enough then the trainers should work on that aspect, no ? Either that or get players that know how to control and shield from opponent. Kids who crumble under pressure never learned how to play out of the back. All they did was kick the ball out of bounds at the first sign of danger.


I would agree but add that the point is to learn those skills. This really does correlate with what was said, that it is hard at young ages to beat that style. The reason is that until the kids gain the experience necessary, they will make mistakes that lead to goals against. It takes a strong discipline to stick with learning possession when you know that it will take a long time before it tuns to success. Many parents do not have the patience to see their kids lose and be told that its better for their long term education and development. They want wins NOW.

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: Anonymous] #723699 06/18/19 12:02 PM
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If their technical skills aren't high enough then the trainers should work on that aspect, no ? Either that or get players that know how to control and shield from opponent. Kids who crumble under pressure never learned how to play out of the back. All they did was kick the ball out of bounds at the first sign of danger.

Our team is good at playing possession, but when there are 5/7 RDS athletes sprinting up high when the goalie plays it out, that just begs for kick and run... which I just find detrimental to US youth soccer.

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If their technical skills aren't high enough then the trainers should work on that aspect, no ? Either that or get players that know how to control and shield from opponent. Kids who crumble under pressure never learned how to play out of the back. All they did was kick the ball out of bounds at the first sign of danger.

Our team is good at playing possession, but when there are 5/7 RDS athletes sprinting up high when the goalie plays it out, that just begs for kick and run... which I just find detrimental to US youth soccer.

What age group?

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: spaceboy] #723714 06/18/19 03:50 PM
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What age group?

U9/U10

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: spaceboy] #723716 06/18/19 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceboy
It seems like the Development Academies are the highest level of soccer now for the older age groups.
What's the landscape for the best leagues/clubs below the DA? Is it the pre-DA programs like Red Bulls RDS?

It's quite confusing with NPL, EDP, NYCSL, WYSL, Premier, blah blah blah...
not to mention all the marketing from the local clubs.
Can someone break it down objectively?



Pre- development Academy on the girls side makes sense. Pre- as in they haven't developed the players yet. That is accurate. GDA, on the other hand doesn't , since they don't really develop most girls in the NE. Quality of training?

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Re: Pre Development Academy [Re: Anonymous] #723743 06/19/19 10:11 AM
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Many of the best young teams possession (when they have the ball) and high press (when they dont) - those tactics work naturally together. Although you are right that it is difficult to play possession against very strong competition. Thats why some teams purposely play below their level to build confidence and technique at the younger age groups.

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Does anyone have experience with the NYCFC Select 7v7 League for U10/U11s boys?
Is the competition the best in the area for the age group?
It's interesting that it remains 7v7 instead of the typical 9v9.

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