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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #720919 04/19/19 11:25 AM
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Looks like the MLS has been reading this forum and is taking our advice. Ha!

https://www.si.com/soccer/2019/04/18/mls-academies-training-compensation-solidarity-fifa-rules

Hopefully they’ll follow full FIFA rules and training compensation payments will be made all the way down to the U12 developer. This has huge implications with the DA eliminating U12 - foreseeably spreading the rewards to non-DA clubs as well. What a great incentive to develop for all clubs in the ladder.



Sounds like Bullcrap, if they cared they would stop importing so many players. They will do whatever is in their cash interests. Which is why no promotion/relegation, can not have a stadium investment empty because I can not run a football club, blah, blah blah. Lastly the best thing for them with their apparent increase in South American imports is to rename the league. My suggestions are as follow ( in no particular order)

1) Mexico Football League North
2) Honduras Football League North
3) Guatemala Football League North
AND as a parting cheap shot at US Soccer ........ Trinidad and Tobago Football League North

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #720926 04/19/19 02:28 PM
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US Soccer needs to approve it for money to make it beyond the MLS clubs.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #720936 04/20/19 07:12 AM
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Looks like the MLS has been reading this forum and is taking our advice. Ha!

https://www.si.com/soccer/2019/04/18/mls-academies-training-compensation-solidarity-fifa-rules

Hopefully they’ll follow full FIFA rules and training compensation payments will be made all the way down to the U12 developer. This has huge implications with the DA eliminating U12 - foreseeably spreading the rewards to non-DA clubs as well. What a great incentive to develop for all clubs in the ladder.



Sounds like Bullcrap, if they cared they would stop importing so many players. They will do whatever is in their cash interests. Which is why no promotion/relegation, can not have a stadium investment empty because I can not run a football club, blah, blah blah. Lastly the best thing for them with their apparent increase in South American imports is to rename the league. My suggestions are as follow ( in no particular order)

1) Mexico Football League North
2) Honduras Football League North
3) Guatemala Football League North
AND as a parting cheap shot at US Soccer ........ Trinidad and Tobago Football League North


Clubs hire players who will help them win. It isn't entirely their fault the US isn't producing the same level of talent. They can only work on their own DA players and in reality very few of them have what it takes to play professionally.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #720978 04/22/19 07:23 AM
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That’s BS. The kids here are just as athletic as kids in Europe, probably more, but the level of training is poor at best. They can’t use talent and they can’t develop it. Just look at the resumes on some of the details trainers and your left scratching your head. Then throw in the politics involved and it’s no surprise we stink.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #721017 04/23/19 08:27 AM
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That’s BS. The kids here are just as athletic as kids in Europe, probably more, but the level of training is poor at best. They can’t use talent and they can’t develop it. Just look at the resumes on some of the details trainers and your left scratching your head. Then throw in the politics involved and it’s no surprise we stink.

The U.S has athletic players at every age group difference is the majority lacks soccer "smarts" (knowledge of the game, positioning, guile, awareness). In these areas, the U.S is years behind South America, Africa and Europe.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #721043 04/23/19 07:22 PM
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Nysc beat Man U in Mic tournament in Spain last week

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #721046 04/23/19 09:00 PM
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This is all part of the broader move by MLS clubs to form their own national league and break away from the DA. Now that MLS has a feasible way to fund a portion of the significant cost they expend to develop talent in their academy system they now have a clear pathway to form their own league. And they will showcase the talent in the league by playing in more overseas tournaments, friendlies, etc. to showcase their talent to the rest of the world. No more meaningless league games against inferior competition (do you really think NYCFC's business plan is to play Met Oval 3-4 times per year) and showcases that do nothing but serve the college programs.

The DA served a useful purpose for the MLS clubs to establish their academy system but that value proposition just ended with this announcement. The DA might be an appropriate "player development" model but it is not an appropriate "business development" model for the MLS clubs. The MLS academies will now be more closely aligned with the pro team environment and that does not include the DA system that everybody thinks is here forever (remember they dropped U12's in the middle of the night with no club feedback and will drop U13's next season; looks like another big hint).

You heard it here first, the DA as you know it will disappear in the next 2-3 years. Sorry ladies, once the boys disappear the girls will disappear very quickly and ECNL will fil the void.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #721049 04/24/19 07:15 AM
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This is all part of the broader move by MLS clubs to form their own national league and break away from the DA. Now that MLS has a feasible way to fund a portion of the significant cost they expend to develop talent in their academy system they now have a clear pathway to form their own league. And they will showcase the talent in the league by playing in more overseas tournaments, friendlies, etc. to showcase their talent to the rest of the world. No more meaningless league games against inferior competition (do you really think NYCFC's business plan is to play Met Oval 3-4 times per year) and showcases that do nothing but serve the college programs.

The DA served a useful purpose for the MLS clubs to establish their academy system but that value proposition just ended with this announcement. The DA might be an appropriate "player development" model but it is not an appropriate "business development" model for the MLS clubs. The MLS academies will now be more closely aligned with the pro team environment and that does not include the DA system that everybody thinks is here forever (remember they dropped U12's in the middle of the night with no club feedback and will drop U13's next season; looks like another big hint).

You heard it here first, the DA as you know it will disappear in the next 2-3 years. Sorry ladies, once the boys disappear the girls will disappear very quickly and ECNL will fil the void.


I don't see this happening. There are not enough mls clubs with academy teams at all ages and even so wont be enough to form a league across the USA. Dropping U12 and U13 is not an indication of cancelling the DA. Those ages should not have been part of this program anyway.

while eliminating U12 and maybe U1, they will splitting U16/17 to be 2 age groups. Which all makes sense.

That doesn't indicate that they will cancel DA all together.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #721052 04/24/19 07:43 AM
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Nysc beat Man U in Mic tournament in Spain last week


That's a good result.

For the record, there's always some question as to whether these elite Euro teams send their "real" U-whatever teams to play these events. The answer from talking to coaches from UK clubs is yes.

BUT, one thing to keep in mind is for the most part the best players of a certain age in a club like Manchester United-say the best 05s--generally play a year a or two up. This will depend of course on a bunch of things, including physical maturity. But in European academies you can expect to see the cream of an age group playing up (so look to see the best 05 at least playing 04 and possibly with the clubs' 03s).

That happens here too of course, but not as often as it probably should because coaches would rather win than develop players.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #721053 04/24/19 07:58 AM
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This is all part of the broader move by MLS clubs to form their own national league and break away from the DA. Now that MLS has a feasible way to fund a portion of the significant cost they expend to develop talent in their academy system they now have a clear pathway to form their own league. And they will showcase the talent in the league by playing in more overseas tournaments, friendlies, etc. to showcase their talent to the rest of the world. No more meaningless league games against inferior competition (do you really think NYCFC's business plan is to play Met Oval 3-4 times per year) and showcases that do nothing but serve the college programs.

The DA served a useful purpose for the MLS clubs to establish their academy system but that value proposition just ended with this announcement. The DA might be an appropriate "player development" model but it is not an appropriate "business development" model for the MLS clubs. The MLS academies will now be more closely aligned with the pro team environment and that does not include the DA system that everybody thinks is here forever (remember they dropped U12's in the middle of the night with no club feedback and will drop U13's next season; looks like another big hint).

You heard it here first, the DA as you know it will disappear in the next 2-3 years. Sorry ladies, once the boys disappear the girls will disappear very quickly and ECNL will fil the void.



You're getting to some kernels of truth here, but you're way off in other ways,

It's not feasible for MLS to break away and form it's own national academy league. The travel is absurd! (Do you really think NYCFC's business plan is to play Red Bulls and Philly Union 3-4 times per year because the travel to anyone else is too far?) Parents won't go for their kids traveling at 15 and 16 to Montreal and New England and DC every other weekend (I mean some parents would, but others believe their kids should, um, go to school in addition to playing soccer).

I agree the DA is not what it's cracked up to be. The problem here though is that we need more of what in England are Tier 1 academies. As we discussed with Chris Richards, MLS academies do not and should not have the monopoly on talent. Just because an MLS franchise is in a completely fabricated Div 1 position in the professional soccer pyramid should not mean it's academy is "Div. 1." In England Fulham is a tier 1 youth academy. Fulham's first team will be relegated from the premier league this year. See what I'm getting at?

The problem is they need to extend the training compensation and solidarity payment decision to ALL youth clubs in the US. Then you have incentive and an ROI for developing players. Then you will have more competition in the youth market and MLS franchise academies won't be beating World Class 8-0, as the U14s did in the fall.

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Nysc beat Man U in Mic tournament in Spain last week


That's a good result.

For the record, there's always some question as to whether these elite Euro teams send their "real" U-whatever teams to play these events. The answer from talking to coaches from UK clubs is yes.

BUT, one thing to keep in mind is for the most part the best players of a certain age in a club like Manchester United-say the best 05s--generally play a year a or two up. This will depend of course on a bunch of things, including physical maturity. But in European academies you can expect to see the cream of an age group playing up (so look to see the best 05 at least playing 04 and possibly with the clubs' 03s).

That happens here too of course, but not as often as it probably should because coaches would rather win than develop players.

This happens only at BWG.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #721055 04/24/19 08:01 AM
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This is all part of the broader move by MLS clubs to form their own national league and break away from the DA. Now that MLS has a feasible way to fund a portion of the significant cost they expend to develop talent in their academy system they now have a clear pathway to form their own league. And they will showcase the talent in the league by playing in more overseas tournaments, friendlies, etc. to showcase their talent to the rest of the world. No more meaningless league games against inferior competition (do you really think NYCFC's business plan is to play Met Oval 3-4 times per year) and showcases that do nothing but serve the college programs.

The DA served a useful purpose for the MLS clubs to establish their academy system but that value proposition just ended with this announcement. The DA might be an appropriate "player development" model but it is not an appropriate "business development" model for the MLS clubs. The MLS academies will now be more closely aligned with the pro team environment and that does not include the DA system that everybody thinks is here forever (remember they dropped U12's in the middle of the night with no club feedback and will drop U13's next season; looks like another big hint).

You heard it here first, the DA as you know it will disappear in the next 2-3 years. Sorry ladies, once the boys disappear the girls will disappear very quickly and ECNL will fil the void.


Based on the environment and information available, this seems spot on. I think there is a lot of very credible speculation here.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #721057 04/24/19 08:10 AM
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The fact is that we do have clubs who are great at developing kids up to a certain point. SO yes, our U13 or U14 teams can compete very favorably with European squads. The issue is that those top European teams continue to develop soccer-wise into their mid/alte teen years whereas here we drop off because we don't have our players at pro academies playing soccer all day. We have our kids continue to go to school and play soccer afterwards. Considering the chances even a top DA kid has of turning professional, do we really want them effectively stopping their education at 15 on the off chance they might be able to make money for a few years as a pro player?

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The fact is that we do have clubs who are great at developing kids up to a certain point. SO yes, our U13 or U14 teams can compete very favorably with European squads. The issue is that those top European teams continue to develop soccer-wise into their mid/alte teen years whereas here we drop off because we don't have our players at pro academies playing soccer all day. We have our kids continue to go to school and play soccer afterwards. Considering the chances even a top DA kid has of turning professional, do we really want them effectively stopping their education at 15 on the off chance they might be able to make money for a few years as a pro player?

here you have it! read parents!

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I hope football never gets big here, because you'll only f it up for the rest of the world, timeouts, no heading , bigger goals, quarters, no relegation promotion, please stick to your baseball.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #721071 04/24/19 08:22 PM
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You are trying to fit your analysis into the old mentality of a Fall, Winter, Spring season. That is not what the academy programs will do. Picture NYCFC playing Red Bull one week, then training for two weeks, then an international trip, then train for two weeks then a trip to Montreal, then a match vs. Philly, then training for anther week, then West Coast trip to play Galaxy, San Jose and Seattle during the winter months and a swing down into Dallas and Florida. See my point.

The old fashioned model of training 3-4 days per week and playing 1-2 games on the weekend is gone. The academy U18/19 will train with the first team (which NYCFC already does), and the new USL teams that all MLS clubs will soon have, the academy teams will scrimmage against each other (U14v U15).

Now think of international programs from LaLiga, EPL etc coming to the east coast for 1-2 weeks and playing matches against RBull, NYCFC and Philly. etc. etc. etc.

I think you get the point here. Go back to what I said originally. There is a whole new "player development" model that the MLS clubs will implement that also has a "business development" model. The old DA system offers the MLS programs neither. NYCFC does not want to play MetOval or FC Westchester and they are wasting their time and money every day they stay in the DA system.

Now flip to the DA. Once the MLS gets their program going (it will start 2020/21 season) the DA will not spend millions of dollars to identify talent if MLS is funding that through their own league.

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You are trying to fit your analysis into the old mentality of a Fall, Winter, Spring season. That is not what the academy programs will do. Picture NYCFC playing Red Bull one week, then training for two weeks, then an international trip, then train for two weeks then a trip to Montreal, then a match vs. Philly, then training for anther week, then West Coast trip to play Galaxy, San Jose and Seattle during the winter months and a swing down into Dallas and Florida. See my point.

The old fashioned model of training 3-4 days per week and playing 1-2 games on the weekend is gone. The academy U18/19 will train with the first team (which NYCFC already does), and the new USL teams that all MLS clubs will soon have, the academy teams will scrimmage against each other (U14v U15).

Now think of international programs from LaLiga, EPL etc coming to the east coast for 1-2 weeks and playing matches against RBull, NYCFC and Philly. etc. etc. etc.

I think you get the point here. Go back to what I said originally. There is a whole new "player development" model that the MLS clubs will implement that also has a "business development" model. The old DA system offers the MLS programs neither. NYCFC does not want to play MetOval or FC Westchester and they are wasting their time and money every day they stay in the DA system.

Now flip to the DA. Once the MLS gets their program going (it will start 2020/21 season) the DA will not spend millions of dollars to identify talent if MLS is funding that through their own league.



This is an interesting narrative but really is just pure speculation on your part backed up by no evidence. USSF has already accommodated breaks in the schedule to allow non-league games and international trips.

And arguably what NYCFC is doing with their U12 program is virtually the opposite of what you're saying. They are embracing the talent in the region and creating a regional league (including MO and FCW!). And importantly, they are not dropping U12 despite the fact that U12 isn't DA. I would imagine when U13 is dropped this league will expand to that age group. It's a mix of DA and non-DA clubs and provides both good competition and honestly a ridiculously large recruiting net for the pro team (hard to imagine a pro-caliber kid *not* playing on one of these clubs).

So if we're in the realm of speculation, I see NYCFC doing what NYRB is doing - creating a pay-to-play feeder system for U9 to U12 (and eventually U13). That will offset a chunk of DA costs and allow the hoovering up all the talented kids from the region. Does this mean at U14 they suddenly decide, hey, let's *not* play these teams (at least the DA) in our region? I don't know. But it would be a pretty severe shock. I definitely see more accommodation from USSF to allow what you are suggesting - especially intra-division games, etc., but I don't see the ability to make up the quantity of games they currently play.

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You are trying to fit your analysis into the old mentality of a Fall, Winter, Spring season. That is not what the academy programs will do. Picture NYCFC playing Red Bull one week, then training for two weeks, then an international trip, then train for two weeks then a trip to Montreal, then a match vs. Philly, then training for anther week, then West Coast trip to play Galaxy, San Jose and Seattle during the winter months and a swing down into Dallas and Florida. See my point.

The old fashioned model of training 3-4 days per week and playing 1-2 games on the weekend is gone. The academy U18/19 will train with the first team (which NYCFC already does), and the new USL teams that all MLS clubs will soon have, the academy teams will scrimmage against each other (U14v U15).

Now think of international programs from LaLiga, EPL etc coming to the east coast for 1-2 weeks and playing matches against RBull, NYCFC and Philly. etc. etc. etc.

I think you get the point here. Go back to what I said originally. There is a whole new "player development" model that the MLS clubs will implement that also has a "business development" model. The old DA system offers the MLS programs neither. NYCFC does not want to play MetOval or FC Westchester and they are wasting their time and money every day they stay in the DA system.

Now flip to the DA. Once the MLS gets their program going (it will start 2020/21 season) the DA will not spend millions of dollars to identify talent if MLS is funding that through their own league.



A couple of huge snags in your theory - money and travel. The MLS can barely provide a livable wage to players. How will they pay for all of this extended travel for the youngsters? There’s no TV revenue to support it. People like the environment of going to the stadium, but no one is watching the product on TV.

Travel is an issue too. Is the MLS going to fly U14s around the country to play within its own league? Will parents send their kids on long bus trips on weekends? The geograpic size of our country prevents us from mimicking the Europeans.

The DA can survive if they actually put some legit oversight on clubs. Part of that problem was the expansion of clubs over the last few years. They should be going for quality and not quantity. FC Westchester and NYSC are weak clubs that are practically on top of each other, same with BWG, Met O, amd Cosmos. Combine those programs and you have teams that could give the RBs and NYCFC meaningful games in their backyards and also allow the MLS clubs to see emerging players as they mature.

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You are trying to fit your analysis into the old mentality of a Fall, Winter, Spring season. That is not what the academy programs will do. Picture NYCFC playing Red Bull one week, then training for two weeks, then an international trip, then train for two weeks then a trip to Montreal, then a match vs. Philly, then training for anther week, then West Coast trip to play Galaxy, San Jose and Seattle during the winter months and a swing down into Dallas and Florida. See my point.

The old fashioned model of training 3-4 days per week and playing 1-2 games on the weekend is gone. The academy U18/19 will train with the first team (which NYCFC already does), and the new USL teams that all MLS clubs will soon have, the academy teams will scrimmage against each other (U14v U15).

Now think of international programs from LaLiga, EPL etc coming to the east coast for 1-2 weeks and playing matches against RBull, NYCFC and Philly. etc. etc. etc.

I think you get the point here. Go back to what I said originally. There is a whole new "player development" model that the MLS clubs will implement that also has a "business development" model. The old DA system offers the MLS programs neither. NYCFC does not want to play MetOval or FC Westchester and they are wasting their time and money every day they stay in the DA system.

Now flip to the DA. Once the MLS gets their program going (it will start 2020/21 season) the DA will not spend millions of dollars to identify talent if MLS is funding that through their own league.




You are trying to fit your analysis into a very narrow utterly MLS-focused model.

Your idea seems OK in theory. Basically, the MLS franchise academies would follow some modified version of the first team schedule, a la the UEFA Champions League where in the group stages the U17 teams play on the same day in the same city as their first teams. Or a separate schedule not aligned to the first team--doesn't matter. Anyway, what do you expect it will cost to do all this traveling around the country? How many teams are going? U14-U18/19? Flights, hotel rooms, food. What offsets these costs? Selling James Sands or Joe Scally to a second division club in Spain and putting the paltry training compensation and solidarity payments that MLS now wants back into the academy to sell more players to second and third division teams in Europe? Will that cover it?

The big problem here is the focus on MLS. It is extremely short sighted by USSF (and you). Why is traveling around the US with teenagers who are in school a better idea than building a real development system. In between DC United and Montreal should be a dozen other clubs that can compete--really compete--with the MLS franchise academies. That's how it should be. In New Haven, Elm City Express should have an academy that is a professional academy that can compete. In Kingston, Stockade should have an academy that can compete. Why don't they now? Because there's no ROI for these clubs. Why? Because USSF and MLS are only in it for MLS (just like you are only interested in MLS) and won't support any business structure that doesn't benefit MLS. Who loses in this system? Well, did you get to watch the US play in Russia last summer? Right. You lose.

Look, we have the prime example in New York of a club and an investor who wanted to build something real in this area. That is the Cosmos and Rocco Commisso. Is Rocco perfect? No. But he never wanted to join MLS. He wants an open system. He wanted to build an academy that fed the first team and where they could sell players on the world market and make some $--a real ROI. He did not want to join MLS and then fly his academy kids around the country every couple of weeks to play in Houston or San Jose or Orlando. Much better to build a system where weekly competition is available close to home.

So Rocco set out to do that. What happened? NASL made mistakes sure. But MLS and USSF together saw Rocco as a real threat and did everything to crush NASL and him. So Cosmos first team languishes playing in NPSL and their academy isn't competitive.

Think beyond the closed MLS system! Maybe you think there are only enough good players in the NYC area to fill NYRB and NYCFC. I think there are more good ones than can fit on those two teams. But they're spread thin around hundreds of pay to play clubs. Change the system and we'll see better development around the country.

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You are trying to fit your analysis into the old mentality of a Fall, Winter, Spring season. That is not what the academy programs will do. Picture NYCFC playing Red Bull one week, then training for two weeks, then an international trip, then train for two weeks then a trip to Montreal, then a match vs. Philly, then training for anther week, then West Coast trip to play Galaxy, San Jose and Seattle during the winter months and a swing down into Dallas and Florida. See my point.

The old fashioned model of training 3-4 days per week and playing 1-2 games on the weekend is gone. The academy U18/19 will train with the first team (which NYCFC already does), and the new USL teams that all MLS clubs will soon have, the academy teams will scrimmage against each other (U14v U15).

Now think of international programs from LaLiga, EPL etc coming to the east coast for 1-2 weeks and playing matches against RBull, NYCFC and Philly. etc. etc. etc.

I think you get the point here. Go back to what I said originally. There is a whole new "player development" model that the MLS clubs will implement that also has a "business development" model. The old DA system offers the MLS programs neither. NYCFC does not want to play MetOval or FC Westchester and they are wasting their time and money every day they stay in the DA system.

Now flip to the DA. Once the MLS gets their program going (it will start 2020/21 season) the DA will not spend millions of dollars to identify talent if MLS is funding that through their own league.




You are trying to fit your analysis into a very narrow utterly MLS-focused model.

Your idea seems OK in theory. Basically, the MLS franchise academies would follow some modified version of the first team schedule, a la the UEFA Champions League where in the group stages the U17 teams play on the same day in the same city as their first teams. Or a separate schedule not aligned to the first team--doesn't matter. Anyway, what do you expect it will cost to do all this traveling around the country? How many teams are going? U14-U18/19? Flights, hotel rooms, food. What offsets these costs? Selling James Sands or Joe Scally to a second division club in Spain and putting the paltry training compensation and solidarity payments that MLS now wants back into the academy to sell more players to second and third division teams in Europe? Will that cover it?

The big problem here is the focus on MLS. It is extremely short sighted by USSF (and you). Why is traveling around the US with teenagers who are in school a better idea than building a real development system. In between DC United and Montreal should be a dozen other clubs that can compete--really compete--with the MLS franchise academies. That's how it should be. In New Haven, Elm City Express should have an academy that is a professional academy that can compete. In Kingston, Stockade should have an academy that can compete. Why don't they now? Because there's no ROI for these clubs. Why? Because USSF and MLS are only in it for MLS (just like you are only interested in MLS) and won't support any business structure that doesn't benefit MLS. Who loses in this system? Well, did you get to watch the US play in Russia last summer? Right. You lose.

Look, we have the prime example in New York of a club and an investor who wanted to build something real in this area. That is the Cosmos and Rocco Commisso. Is Rocco perfect? No. But he never wanted to join MLS. He wants an open system. He wanted to build an academy that fed the first team and where they could sell players on the world market and make some $--a real ROI. He did not want to join MLS and then fly his academy kids around the country every couple of weeks to play in Houston or San Jose or Orlando. Much better to build a system where weekly competition is available close to home.

So Rocco set out to do that. What happened? NASL made mistakes sure. But MLS and USSF together saw Rocco as a real threat and did everything to crush NASL and him. So Cosmos first team languishes playing in NPSL and their academy isn't competitive.

Think beyond the closed MLS system! Maybe you think there are only enough good players in the NYC area to fill NYRB and NYCFC. I think there are more good ones than can fit on those two teams. But they're spread thin around hundreds of pay to play clubs. Change the system and we'll see better development around the country.


You nailed it.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #721093 04/25/19 11:27 AM
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The DA, up to this point, has been more exploratory than effective - let’s see if they can learn from it. Speaking of which, the DA has started to send out it’s annual player survey. Does anyone know how they use them? It would be great if they were transparent and released the findings. And they need to get back to producing the club reviews. It would be a great incentive “to do it right” if a club is held accountable.

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I think if the MLS splits to do their own thing they would only run two older teams free to play. Maybe they do u14 and u15 but charge a bit for it and play more locally to keep costs down. They really only care about a few players who are getting closer to adulthood and may or may not have "it". Getting away from USSF rules would let them structure an organization however they want.

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Bottom line is that it’s a joke. They are pushing kids not based on talent but on who they know. Better players are being marginalized so kids with some type of influence get privilege. If your kid wants to be a professional then get him out of the US. In some cases it’s so blatant. Kids playing up who aren’t even the best players in their own age group.

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Bottom line is that it’s a joke. They are pushing kids not based on talent but on who they know. Better players are being marginalized so kids with some type of influence get privilege. If your kid wants to be a professional then get him out of the US. In some cases it’s so blatant. Kids playing up who aren’t even the best players in their own age group.


sounds like you have some issues with NYCFC academy? I know it happens at BWG with a kid playing two years up

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Bottom line is that it’s a joke. They are pushing kids not based on talent but on who they know. Better players are being marginalized so kids with some type of influence get privilege. If your kid wants to be a professional then get him out of the US. In some cases it’s so blatant. Kids playing up who aren’t even the best players in their own age group.


sounds like you have some issues with NYCFC academy? I know it happens at BWG with a kid playing two years up



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