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Stony Brook SC - Atletico FC Joint Announcement
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Re: Stony Brook SC - Atletico FC Joint Announcement
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Took months to finally come out. Good luck to both clubs and the children!

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It's a smart move by both sides.
Stony brook can use indoor facilities and Atletico can use the outdoor facilities plus be able to field teams over u14 if kids stay. Smart move in the today's soccer climate

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's a smart move by both sides.
Stony brook can use indoor facilities and Atletico can use the outdoor facilities plus be able to field teams over u14 if kids stay. Smart move in the today's soccer climate


Yes kids can stay together longer.

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Larry, what are your thoughts on KK having agreements with new clubs every season?

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Larry, what are your thoughts on KK having agreements with new clubs every season?


KK Athletics does not have any agreements with clubs.

Atletico has had two "agreements" and will continue to work with whoever is out there trying to help their players as well! Eventually, everyone may wake up and see that all their "huge" options are really pie in the sky and until then if the clubs are smart, they will do the same.

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Larry, what are your thoughts on KK having agreements with new clubs every season?


Let me say I have expressed my thoughts to the Atletico folks. Let me also say that in the Suffolk area of Atletico, SB, Sachem, LGN, Terryville, and others the issue as I see it is that SUSA's coming facility and the their political and league affiliation contacts and content that partnerships between clubs may be needed. Neighbors Sachem and LGN, are hustling big-time to attract players and this new attraction puts more roadblocks in the way of these clubs attracting talent.

In this particular case as a poster above smartly pointed out that Atletico gets outdoor fields, and SB gets indoor. At first blush that is a positive to counter the SUSA complex, however there are flashing yellow lights that both sides need to watch out for...for example, Atletico is an autocratic club while SB in a club run by a volunteer board. A not-for-profit, and a for profit each with its own agenda. Hopefully this "deal" was well thought and well discussed.

Now, Atletico can have access to play in an LIJSL team, as well as both clubs placing teams in EDP will also expand soccer options and control travel if that is the wish amongst parents. Hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained!!

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
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Larry, what are your thoughts on KK having agreements with new clubs every season?


Let me say I have expressed my thoughts to the Atletico folks. Let me also say that in the Suffolk area of Atletico, SB, Sachem, LGN, Terryville, and others the issue as I see it is that SUSA's coming facility and the their political and league affiliation contacts and content that partnerships between clubs may be needed. Neighbors Sachem and LGN, are hustling big-time to attract players and this new attraction puts more roadblocks in the way of these clubs attracting talent.

In this particular case as a poster above smartly pointed out that Atletico gets outdoor fields, and SB gets indoor. At first blush that is a positive to counter the SUSA complex, however there are flashing yellow lights that both sides need to watch out for...for example, Atletico is an autocratic club while SB in a club run by a volunteer board. A not-for-profit, and a for profit each with its own agenda. Hopefully this "deal" was well thought and well discussed.

Now, Atletico can have access to play in an LIJSL team, as well as both clubs placing teams in EDP will also expand soccer options and control travel if that is the wish amongst parents. Hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained!!


It also helps when kids from both clubs jump ship this summer, they will be able to still put together a roster to compete. Question will be who will be coaching this joint venture teams and will the parents be happy? Not having a KK as your trainer will certainly push additional players out the door in the older age groups.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Larry, what are your thoughts on KK having agreements with new clubs every season?


Let me say I have expressed my thoughts to the Atletico folks. Let me also say that in the Suffolk area of Atletico, SB, Sachem, LGN, Terryville, and others the issue as I see it is that SUSA's coming facility and the their political and league affiliation contacts and content that partnerships between clubs may be needed. Neighbors Sachem and LGN, are hustling big-time to attract players and this new attraction puts more roadblocks in the way of these clubs attracting talent.

In this particular case as a poster above smartly pointed out that Atletico gets outdoor fields, and SB gets indoor. At first blush that is a positive to counter the SUSA complex, however there are flashing yellow lights that both sides need to watch out for...for example, Atletico is an autocratic club while SB in a club run by a volunteer board. A not-for-profit, and a for profit each with its own agenda. Hopefully this "deal" was well thought and well discussed.

Now, Atletico can have access to play in an LIJSL team, as well as both clubs placing teams in EDP will also expand soccer options and control travel if that is the wish amongst parents. Hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained!!


It also helps when kids from both clubs jump ship this summer, they will be able to still put together a roster to compete. Question will be who will be coaching this joint venture teams and will the parents be happy? Not having a KK as your trainer will certainly push additional players out the door in the older age groups.



Gee, and I think kids from neighboring clubs are the ones that will jump ship and head over to SB/Atletico and move on up, and not the other way around!!~

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I believe not having KK as a your trainer may be a deal breaker for some. SB trainers are not up to par as most of their older teams are now LIJS Kurt can traine very well but as they age they leave and SB may not be the best option.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
I believe not having KK as a your trainer may be a deal breaker for some. SB trainers are not up to par as most of their older teams are now LIJS Kurt can traine very well but as they age they leave and SB may not be the best option.


I think most of the older teams are in EDP.

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
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Larry, what are your thoughts on KK having agreements with new clubs every season?


Let me say I have expressed my thoughts to the Atletico folks. Let me also say that in the Suffolk area of Atletico, SB, Sachem, LGN, Terryville, and others the issue as I see it is that SUSA's coming facility and the their political and league affiliation contacts and content that partnerships between clubs may be needed. Neighbors Sachem and LGN, are hustling big-time to attract players and this new attraction puts more roadblocks in the way of these clubs attracting talent.

In this particular case as a poster above smartly pointed out that Atletico gets outdoor fields, and SB gets indoor. At first blush that is a positive to counter the SUSA complex, however there are flashing yellow lights that both sides need to watch out for...for example, Atletico is an autocratic club while SB in a club run by a volunteer board. A not-for-profit, and a for profit each with its own agenda. Hopefully this "deal" was well thought and well discussed.

Now, Atletico can have access to play in an LIJSL team, as well as both clubs placing teams in EDP will also expand soccer options and control travel if that is the wish amongst parents. Hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained!!


It also helps when kids from both clubs jump ship this summer, they will be able to still put together a roster to compete. Question will be who will be coaching this joint venture teams and will the parents be happy? Not having a KK as your trainer will certainly push additional players out the door in the older age groups.



Gee, and I think kids from neighboring clubs are the ones that will jump ship and head over to SB/Atletico and move on up, and not the other way around!!~


Move on up to what? Both clubs just added numbers, they are doing nothing to advance a childs path over what else is out there. Sorry, just stating a fact. I wish KK well, they were a force on their own years ago.

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It is my understanding that Kurt will be training the older teams himself.

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Will he be doing the KK moving up or the current older groups.

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Unlike most people in this thread, I was in the room when this was announced.

The illusion is that it will create more opportunities, but that only applies for the better kids. The emphasis in the meeting, whether those there admit it or not, was that the programs will be stronger in a joint fashion providing opportunities for the best teams/players to band together for showcases and higher level tournaments. That goes all the way down below U14. They stated that not much will change, but having been through this with another program, that's going to be bullcrap.

It's the race to nowhere folks.

The net effect is going to be a reduction in opportunities for the kids that are developing, and pigeon holing kids before they truly develop. U14 and unders are supposed to start joint training sessions through out the spring to the tune of 2x a month. Anyone want to hazard a guess what that means? It means that they're going to be ranking and moving players from squad to squad and forming their super squads for these special tournaments and basically ignoring the rest of the kids and making them fund the whole venture for the better kids.

Despite the DOC's best intentions that's where it's going. It's going to be a very stratified, tiered set up where kids cannot move teams because their development will not be focused on because of the emphasis of these special teams.

There were a lot of naive folks in that room who bought this whole thing as being good for everyone. It's not. It's good for the prestige of the programs involved, it's good for the top teams and older age groups. The net effect is it's going to take a program(SB) that was community based and really a big part of the community, and it's going to turn it into the cutthroat world of Academy soccer. You cannot possibly serve both the community and the Academy folks at the same time. There is a place for the moderately competitive travel kids. This will freeze them out and discourage them.

Sorry, I just don't see this as being such a positive thing.

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This is an amazing move for the older boys. Very excited about this , from both teams perspective.

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Yes the better players will most likely move up - nut question is who will be training these players? KK? As many of the SB teams don't have many great teams maybe one here or there but nothing like KK has haad in the past when he had older teams. If I am a parent I want KK as my trainer. Question is will it be at SB fields or the indoor location in farmingville

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Unlike most people in this thread, I was in the room when this was announced.

The illusion is that it will create more opportunities, but that only applies for the better kids. The emphasis in the meeting, whether those there admit it or not, was that the programs will be stronger in a joint fashion providing opportunities for the best teams/players to band together for showcases and higher level tournaments. That goes all the way down below U14. They stated that not much will change, but having been through this with another program, that's going to be bullcrap.

It's the race to nowhere folks.

The net effect is going to be a reduction in opportunities for the kids that are developing, and pigeon holing kids before they truly develop. U14 and unders are supposed to start joint training sessions through out the spring to the tune of 2x a month. Anyone want to hazard a guess what that means? It means that they're going to be ranking and moving players from squad to squad and forming their super squads for these special tournaments and basically ignoring the rest of the kids and making them fund the whole venture for the better kids.

Despite the DOC's best intentions that's where it's going. It's going to be a very stratified, tiered set up where kids cannot move teams because their development will not be focused on because of the emphasis of these special teams.

There were a lot of naive folks in that room who bought this whole thing as being good for everyone. It's not. It's good for the prestige of the programs involved, it's good for the top teams and older age groups. The net effect is it's going to take a program(SB) that was community based and really a big part of the community, and it's going to turn it into the cutthroat world of Academy soccer. You cannot possibly serve both the community and the Academy folks at the same time. There is a place for the moderately competitive travel kids. This will freeze them out and discourage them.

Sorry, I just don't see this as being such a positive thing.


Hopefully it works out better than those clubs existing partnerships. When SURF rolled in to SB the top girls got to go to all the showcases they could handle while everyone else got ignored like you just described. And KK's partnership with Sachem didn't amount to much more than KK getting access to Sachems grass fields. Good for KK but Sachem got nothing out of it.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Unlike most people in this thread, I was in the room when this was announced.

The illusion is that it will create more opportunities, but that only applies for the better kids. The emphasis in the meeting, whether those there admit it or not, was that the programs will be stronger in a joint fashion providing opportunities for the best teams/players to band together for showcases and higher level tournaments. That goes all the way down below U14. They stated that not much will change, but having been through this with another program, that's going to be bullcrap.

It's the race to nowhere folks.

The net effect is going to be a reduction in opportunities for the kids that are developing, and pigeon holing kids before they truly develop. U14 and unders are supposed to start joint training sessions through out the spring to the tune of 2x a month. Anyone want to hazard a guess what that means? It means that they're going to be ranking and moving players from squad to squad and forming their super squads for these special tournaments and basically ignoring the rest of the kids and making them fund the whole venture for the better kids.

Despite the DOC's best intentions that's where it's going. It's going to be a very stratified, tiered set up where kids cannot move teams because their development will not be focused on because of the emphasis of these special teams.

There were a lot of naive folks in that room who bought this whole thing as being good for everyone. It's not. It's good for the prestige of the programs involved, it's good for the top teams and older age groups. The net effect is it's going to take a program(SB) that was community based and really a big part of the community, and it's going to turn it into the cutthroat world of Academy soccer. You cannot possibly serve both the community and the Academy folks at the same time. There is a place for the moderately competitive travel kids. This will freeze them out and discourage them.

Sorry, I just don't see this as being such a positive thing.


Hopefully it works out better than those clubs existing partnerships. When SURF rolled in to SB the top girls got to go to all the showcases they could handle while everyone else got ignored like you just described. And KK's partnership with Sachem didn't amount to much more than KK getting access to Sachems grass fields. Good for KK but Sachem got nothing out of it.


Correct. Sachem got nothing out of it because Sachem didn't know how or want to know how to get something out of it. Don't blame KK. Blame the highly incompetent Sachem Board, and let's not forget that LIPS was not happy that KK was in the picture. Got it?

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
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Unlike most people in this thread, I was in the room when this was announced.

The illusion is that it will create more opportunities, but that only applies for the better kids. The emphasis in the meeting, whether those there admit it or not, was that the programs will be stronger in a joint fashion providing opportunities for the best teams/players to band together for showcases and higher level tournaments. That goes all the way down below U14. They stated that not much will change, but having been through this with another program, that's going to be bullcrap.

It's the race to nowhere folks.

The net effect is going to be a reduction in opportunities for the kids that are developing, and pigeon holing kids before they truly develop. U14 and unders are supposed to start joint training sessions through out the spring to the tune of 2x a month. Anyone want to hazard a guess what that means? It means that they're going to be ranking and moving players from squad to squad and forming their super squads for these special tournaments and basically ignoring the rest of the kids and making them fund the whole venture for the better kids.

Despite the DOC's best intentions that's where it's going. It's going to be a very stratified, tiered set up where kids cannot move teams because their development will not be focused on because of the emphasis of these special teams.

There were a lot of naive folks in that room who bought this whole thing as being good for everyone. It's not. It's good for the prestige of the programs involved, it's good for the top teams and older age groups. The net effect is it's going to take a program(SB) that was community based and really a big part of the community, and it's going to turn it into the cutthroat world of Academy soccer. You cannot possibly serve both the community and the Academy folks at the same time. There is a place for the moderately competitive travel kids. This will freeze them out and discourage them.

Sorry, I just don't see this as being such a positive thing.


Hopefully it works out better than those clubs existing partnerships. When SURF rolled in to SB the top girls got to go to all the showcases they could handle while everyone else got ignored like you just described. And KK's partnership with Sachem didn't amount to much more than KK getting access to Sachems grass fields. Good for KK but Sachem got nothing out of it.


Correct. Sachem got nothing out of it because Sachem didn't know how or want to know how to get something out of it. Don't blame KK. Blame the highly incompetent Sachem Board, and let's not forget that LIPS was not happy that KK was in the picture. Got it?


LIPS was only unhappy when he couldn't make money off the kids.

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I think is a great move. Anytime we played Stony Brook or KK teams the kids were very well trained. hopefully they pool their resources together correctly.

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I think is a great move. Anytime we played Stony Brook or KK teams the kids were very well trained. hopefully they pool their resources together correctly.


I think they can create some strong teams if they do this right.

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OMG more f the dame.....the over / under on this joint announcement is 16 months

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Looks like sachem and Smithtown merger will be in the same situation. Everyone is trying to compete with Susa. I also agree that this will not work out well for most players but financially it will in the short term.

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SUSA will kill themselves. Grabbing as many players and as much money as they can to pay that big monthly bill of theirs will be their downfall. They don't have anything good enough to be there paying all that cash for.

It is already happening, their winter leagues were AWFUL!!

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