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USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 #710251 07/23/18 09:05 AM
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It's the start of the Fall 2018/Spring 2019 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #710593 08/02/18 11:01 AM
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It's the start of the Fall 2018/Spring 2019 season. Use this thread for your posts regarding this age group.


When do new academy rosters 2018-2019 post on the USDA website?

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #710698 08/04/18 03:30 PM
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Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710740 08/05/18 11:07 PM
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NYCFC is known to tell players to go play for their "farm" team MetOval

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #710777 08/06/18 03:52 PM
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Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710783 08/06/18 09:04 PM
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Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #710787 08/07/18 06:06 AM
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Look, football is not American, that's why you'll never have the athletes playing it, the Americans decided( like the Irish) to get rid of anything English, like cricket,baseball.or rounders as we call it in England,a girls game, football,gridiron, etc etc, now if you had invented football you would have dominated for decades, most of the top athletes in big football country's try football first, over her unfortunately if your no good at yank sports, you try sarker as a last resort, then tennis, lol.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710793 08/07/18 07:46 AM
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On the contrary.....soccer is a popular sport for the youth. But it is probably the most difficult to be good at. It takes a lot more then just athleticism. So most kids take the easy road and play sports that they can find immediate success in like Football and Basketball. Of course those sports are dead ends for the non-elite athlete as well. But they at least have some success on the youth level and on the street basketball court down the block.

So the problem is, like many people have said before, that there are too many options here and most will take the option that is the easiest to be good at at first. That is usually the sport that requires manual functions rather than using your feet. You have to love soccer at a young age and that can only come from the entire family that the kid is born into loving it too. We dont have that here

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710797 08/07/18 08:29 AM
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Look, football is not American, that's why you'll never have the athletes playing it, the Americans decided( like the Irish) to get rid of anything English, like cricket,baseball.or rounders as we call it in England,a girls game, football,gridiron, etc etc, now if you had invented football you would have dominated for decades, most of the top athletes in big football country's try football first, over her unfortunately if your no good at yank sports, you try sarker as a last resort, then tennis, lol.

Can someone explain to me why "sarker" is funny?

Which American accent is that supposed to be making fun of?

Or is it just one of the three or four jokes that Men In Blazers constantly recycle?

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710799 08/07/18 08:44 AM
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Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.


that's everywhere .

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710802 08/07/18 10:08 AM
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Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.


that's everywhere .


Thats what its like all over the world, perhaps even more so since at the higher levels the clubs aren't pay to play.... its really competitive

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710812 08/07/18 11:24 AM
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Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.


Like anything you have to fight to keep your spot! Barcelona ,Ajax and the rest do the same .

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710830 08/07/18 06:53 PM
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Look, football is not American, that's why you'll never have the athletes playing it, the Americans decided( like the Irish) to get rid of anything English, like cricket,baseball.or rounders as we call it in England,a girls game, football,gridiron, etc etc, now if you had invented football you would have dominated for decades, most of the top athletes in big football country's try football first, over her unfortunately if your no good at yank sports, you try sarker as a last resort, then tennis, lol.


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Here's what i saw in Westchester... everybody starts out playing soccer and then kids leave as they and their parents get tired of their kids looking nonathletic compared to kids who can run and are agile and have good foot/eye coordination. Soccer is the only sport where you use YOUR FEET the way you use your hands elsewhere. Hard to do.

You see the poorer athletes dropping off to play lacrosse, where they don't have to run and can instead stand still twirling their sticks (I know at the higher levels you need to be athletic).

For me though, swimming is the biggest magnet for the 'not natural athletes' set. Zero obvious natural skill required and you learn by repeating .. sort of like memorizing facts.

And now Rowing has become the hot tomale... not sure where that fits in yet.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #710831 08/07/18 07:16 PM
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YOUR FEET, with a ball,hmmmmmmm, wonder why they call it football, just doesn't sound right, lol

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710837 08/07/18 10:05 PM
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Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.



Like anything you have to fight to keep your spot! Barcelona ,Ajax and the rest do the same .


Over the age of 16. I get it. But at 12? Seriously? Barcelona (Messi and company) played together for years since they were young boys. The difference is they are taught a philosophy and a style. We change coaches and personnel way too frequently.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710839 08/08/18 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.


As others have said, that is how it works everywhere and with any sport at a high competitive level, college as well.. Also, even past the developmental/puberty years some players will plateau while others accelerate. That's driven more by sheer will power, dedication and work ethic. You can't take your foot off the gas, but some do while others push the pedal to the floor. Landing a spot is only part of the battle.

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Look, football is not American, that's why you'll never have the athletes playing it, the Americans decided( like the Irish) to get rid of anything English, like cricket,baseball.or rounders as we call it in England,a girls game, football,gridiron, etc etc, now if you had invented football you would have dominated for decades, most of the top athletes in big football country's try football first, over her unfortunately if your no good at yank sports, you try sarker as a last resort, then tennis, lol.


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Here's what i saw in Westchester... everybody starts out playing soccer and then kids leave as they and their parents get tired of their kids looking nonathletic compared to kids who can run and are agile and have good foot/eye coordination. Soccer is the only sport where you use YOUR FEET the way you use your hands elsewhere. Hard to do.

You see the poorer athletes dropping off to play lacrosse, where they don't have to run and can instead stand still twirling their sticks (I know at the higher levels you need to be athletic).

For me though, swimming is the biggest magnet for the 'not natural athletes' set. Zero obvious natural skill required and you learn by repeating .. sort of like memorizing facts.

And now Rowing has become the hot tomale... not sure where that fits in yet.




Have you ever played Lacrosse or Swim ??

Lacrosse players don't run?? Yeah Right. a couple of miles each game.

Swimming ?? Yeah Right a couple of miles each practice

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #710851 08/08/18 01:28 PM
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Swimming is definitely a sport but it is not one that attracts top athletes. Maybe in California but not here.

I would say that 15 years ago the "kids dont play soccer" thing had some merit but nowadays i see a lot more kids wearing soccer fan gear than nfl or mlb. Basketball has a lot of popularity with kids, especially in the city, but soccer seems to be pretty popular.

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Anonymous] #710901 08/09/18 08:31 PM
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Is NYCFC or NYRB cutting kids from 2005 groups ? Where do they go ?

yes they want all their groups to be the strongest teams in the area


Thats a great policy. So you cherry pick a kid because you thought he was one of the better players for the age group, then you train him with their philosophy and after 1 year you cut ties with that kid because you think you found somebody better. Is it any wonder why we can’t produce a good starting 11 on the world stage? You need to develope chemistry and play together for more than one season. The DA model stinks too. For every kid they take, there is a ripple effect for 2 other teams also. First, the original team has to try and replace the quality player they just took. Second when the kid gets cut he has to then look for another team that will bend over backwards to accommodate that player because hes an “ex redbull” he must be good. Give me a break. The revolving door way of doing things is not working.


As others have said, that is how it works everywhere and with any sport at a high competitive level, college as well.. Also, even past the developmental/puberty years some players will plateau while others accelerate. That's driven more by sheer will power, dedication and work ethic. You can't take your foot off the gas, but some do while others push the pedal to the floor. Landing a spot is only part of the battle.

Amazing that NYCFC cut players already before the season even started. They didn't even give some of them the chance to play for one season. They have zero respect for kids and parents. And after they dump them they throw them to metoval ...

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #710904 08/09/18 08:40 PM
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I dont think thats how its done everywhere. Were not talking about college were talking about 11 year olds. They need to stop decimating teams if they are just gonna cut the kid the following year. They need to show stability with their club. Build a program, dont start an all star team.

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Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #710907 08/09/18 09:18 PM
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The philosophy/style comes first. You train your coaches in that style, then you select a group of players that fit that style. You implement your philosophy and bring the kids up as a unit. In this country you go to a DA game and oftentimes you will see good individual skill, but can they play as a team. Play unselfish? Thats the difference. We celebrate fancy footskills and play as individuals to impress the coaches. Its not basketball where you need 2 great players and you can dominate. Its about working as a unit. Can’t build a program if the door is always revolving with new coaches and players. By 16 if you want to start plugging in new players than by all means do it. But at 11-12 years old it is counterproductive.

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Red Bulls and NYCFC take players from other teams indiscriminately and they don’t have a commitment with them. If they have a hard time to adapt or a bad season they just replace them and that is not what a DEVELOPEMENT Academy is supposed to be. I just see a revolving door of kids but coaches never take any responsibility to help the players. They know that for the next season they will have a line of 3or4 kids equally good with just different talents.

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Red Bulls and NYCFC take players from other teams indiscriminately and they don’t have a commitment with them. If they have a hard time to adapt or a bad season they just replace them and that is not what a DEVELOPEMENT Academy is supposed to be. I just see a revolving door of kids but coaches never take any responsibility to help the players. They know that for the next season they will have a line of 3or4 kids equally good with just different talents.



Agree . Also those coaches from NYRB with English accent like big strong boys

Re: USSF BDA Fall 2018/Spring 2019 [Re: Larry Miller] #710927 08/10/18 10:04 AM
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On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!

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On a positive note an academy player from BW Gottschee was recruited by Liverpool FC. congrats to the player and the club !!!


Define “recruited”.

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