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reprinted from Newsday

The New York Islanders want to turn it into a sports center, while New York City FC eyes the Elmont site for its professional soccer team.

By Stefanie Dazio and Jim Baumbach

The New York Islanders and New York City FC released details of competing proposals Sunday to redevelop Belmont Park in Elmont with both vowing to hire locally for some of the thousands of predicted jobs and pledging to set aside space for community use.

The Islanders’ proposal includes an 18,000-seat, year-round arena that would host 150 events annually, as well as 435,000 square feet of space for retail, a hotel with 200 to 250 rooms, and a 10,000 square-foot “innovation center” that would be developed with input from residents.

NYCFC, a professional soccer team partially owned by the Yankees, is calling for a 26,000-seat open-air stadium in addition to 400,000 square-feet of space for retail, a 5.2-acre community park and a 2-acre soccer facility.

Five of the area’s elected officials hosted the meeting. It included a question-and-answer session with a moderator reading pre-submitted queries from an audience of about 200.

Before the session, about 20 people protested development plans, saying they want education, research or technology centers built that would bring high-paying jobs to the area.

Both teams’ plans call for opening the Long Island Rail Road’s Belmont Park station year-round. The teams would build north of Hempstead Turnpike, adjacent to the train station.

“We are very thoughtful developers and we don’t build and then move on,” said Richard Browne, managing partner for Sterling. “We build where we live and we keep on with it and manage our property like we manage our homes.”

Both would incorporate outlet stores into their retail components, according to the proposals. Neither presentation included costs or financing.

“We’ve been looking for a soccer stadium for four years now and we’re very excited to be working with Related Companies to propose our ideas at this site,” said Jon Stemp, NYCFC chief infrastructure officer, referring to the lead developer of the soccer team’s plan.

The Islanders expect to bring more than 5,500 temporary construction jobs to the site with 2,000 full-time, permanent, year-round jobs. NYCFC said it would need 4,500 temporary construction jobs and have 1,600 direct and indirect jobs through retail and the soccer stadium.

After an audience member asked whether the hockey and soccer teams could share the site, both sides agreed it wasn’t feasible. Although the site has plenty of acreage, representatives for both teams said putting them at the same location would mean additional development and create more opposition.

NYCFC has played the majority of its Major League Soccer home games at Yankee Stadium since it started play two years ago.

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I heard it was a LOCK for the islanders

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Definitely a lock for Isles. Arena will host more events rather than a open field stadium. More tax revenue for the county. Hope the Isles group gave the funding in place. God help them if they ask for tax payer $$$. It will be another circus.

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Cannot see how it would be a "lock" for the Islanders since they left Long Island and went to a venue that was totally unsuitable for hockey, had blocked view seats and ticked off their fans. That was a total debacle and PR nightmare. This was after they went along with a Nassau Coliseum plan paid for by the taxpayers which while it was a modest would have cost the taxpayers, which they wisely rejected building. (a venue for wealthy owners)

You could argue that the NYCFC proposal would have a lot less impact on the area since it would be only 17 home games and include a soccer facility for the community. The area is a soccer haven with many soccer fans in the immediate area.

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If you are going to choose the proposal based on the fact that it would have "a lot less impact on the area" then why would you bother to build a stadium at all? Either have one and use it, or don't have one.

"the area is soccer haven with many soccer fans in the immediate area" makes no sense. You do not build a stadium based on the "immediate" area. How many of those "soccer haven" fans travel to watch the cosmos? They average what, less than 5,000?

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New York City FC unveiled details for its proposed soccer stadium for Belmont Race Track at a hearing at Elmont Memorial High School in Elmont, N.Y. Sunday.

The stadium would seat 26,000. It also would include 400,000 square feet of space for retail, a 5.2 acres community park and a two-acre soccer facility.

The MLS team has played at Yankee Stadium since its inception in 2015.





“We’ve been looking for a soccer stadium for four years now and we’re very excited to be working with Related Companies to propose our ideas this this site,” NYCFC chief infrastructure officer was quoted by Newsday.

Related Companies is the club’s lead developer.

Belmont is not NYCFC’s top priority. The team is considering other possibilities, including the Harlem River Yards in the South Bronx, a spot near the stadium and in Flushing, Queens.

City and the Islanders are the only two bidders at Belmont, which is located mostly in Nassau County on Long Island. NYCFC would prefer to have a team in the five boroughs.

The hockey team has proposed an 18,000-seat arena, 435,000 square feet of space for retail, a hotel with 200 to 250 rooms and a 10,000-square foot “innovation center,” according to a report Monday’s Newsday.

The Islanders, who play at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, have only targeted Elmont. “We have blinders on for Belmont,” team co-owner Jonathan Ledecky was quoted by Newsday.

For more details on the bids, visit:

https://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/belmont-park-redevelopment-islanders-soccer-1.15370380

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The New York Islanders and New York City FC released details of competing proposals Sunday to redevelop Belmont Park in Elmont with both vowing to hire locally for some of the thousands of predicted jobs and pledging to set aside space for community use.

The Islanders’ proposal includes an 18,000-seat, year-round arena that would host 150 events annually, as well as 435,000 square feet of space for retail, a hotel with 200 to 250 rooms, and a 10,000 square-foot “innovation center” that would be developed with input from residents.

NYCFC, a professional soccer team partially owned by the Yankees, is calling for a 26,000-seat open-air stadium in addition to 400,000 square-feet of space for retail, a 5.2-acre community park and a 2-acre soccer facility.



A look at the Islanders' site map for
A look at the Islanders' site map for their proposed Belmont Park redevelopment plan. Photo Credit: Sterling Project Development

The hearing at Elmont Memorial High School represented the first time the teams’ ownership groups publicly released specifics about the bids to redevelop 43 acres of state-owned land that both previously submitted to Empire State Development.




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Five of the area’s elected officials hosted the meeting. It included a question-and-answer session with a moderator reading pre-submitted queries from an audience of about 200.

Before the session, about 20 people protested development plans, saying they want education, research or technology centers built that would bring high-paying jobs to the area.

Both teams’ plans call for opening the Long Island Rail Road’s Belmont Park station year-round. The teams would build north of Hempstead Turnpike, adjacent to the train statio

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Hearing Islanders were awarded the site

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Shame and a big loss for LI youth. It would have have been awesome for NYCFC to get that site and eventually build out youth academy on LI. The old crusty politicians don't know that soccer is the fasting growing sport, and they went with the nostaglic "we want you back", and caved into "mainstream" advertisers and television networks. Hockey has plateaued. It's like all those baseball fields they built in the north that are sitting there mostly vacant.

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Shame and a big loss for LI youth. It would have have been awesome for NYCFC to get that site and eventually build out youth academy on LI. The old crusty politicians don't know that soccer is the fasting growing sport, and they went with the nostaglic "we want you back", and caved into "mainstream" advertisers and television networks. Hockey has plateaued. It's like all those baseball fields they built in the north that are sitting there mostly vacant.

LOL bet they know how much they will get on the other side of the proposal

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Shame and a big loss for LI youth. It would have have been awesome for NYCFC to get that site and eventually build out youth academy on LI. The old crusty politicians don't know that soccer is the fasting growing sport, and they went with the nostaglic "we want you back", and caved into "mainstream" advertisers and television networks. Hockey has plateaued. It's like all those baseball fields they built in the north that are sitting there mostly vacant.

LOL bet they know how much they will get on the other side of the proposal


Yup. Indoor facility $ > Outdoor facility $. It's really quite simple

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Shame and a big loss for LI youth. It would have have been awesome for NYCFC to get that site and eventually build out youth academy on LI. The old crusty politicians don't know that soccer is the fasting growing sport, and they went with the nostaglic "we want you back", and caved into "mainstream" advertisers and television networks. Hockey has plateaued. It's like all those baseball fields they built in the north that are sitting there mostly vacant.

LOL bet they know how much they will get on the other side of the proposal


Yup. Indoor facility $ > Outdoor facility $. It's really quite simple


Indoor 41 home games for Hockey

Outdoor 15 home game ?

Indoor during winter = concerts

Outdoor during winter = NOTHING

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Add to the above restaurants and shopping, and events that can be held in the Spring and Summer, and when the Islanders are out of town...I am thinking of it as a MSG type venue. Is a Long Island NBA team on anyone's to-do list?

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Don't tease me like that Larry..brought back memories of Dr. J. in the ABA.

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Add to the above restaurants and shopping, and events that can be held in the Spring and Summer, and when the Islanders are out of town...I am thinking of it as a MSG type venue. Is a Long Island NBA team on anyone's to-do list?


Larry I am thinking NCAA Hoops opening round tournament venue.....

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Add to the above restaurants and shopping, and events that can be held in the Spring and Summer, and when the Islanders are out of town...I am thinking of it as a MSG type venue. Is a Long Island NBA team on anyone's to-do list?


Larry I am thinking NCAA Hoops opening round tournament venue.....


Good call!!

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Add to the above restaurants and shopping, and events that can be held in the Spring and Summer, and when the Islanders are out of town...I am thinking of it as a MSG type venue. Is a Long Island NBA team on anyone's to-do list?


Larry I am thinking NCAA Hoops opening round tournament venue.....


Certainly a better place for the Islanders to play but consistent long term high attendance depends upon team performance. Winning and being one of the best team around will pretty much guarantee high attendance. Being average to mediocre will result in attendance similar to now (at or near the bottom) . That is just the proven history of the Islanders. The same applies to the NJ Devils if you have checked their recent attendance figures (at or near the bottom). Rangers are at MSG in the heart of Manhattan which pretty much guarantees high attendance. Not so if they relocated to White Plains.

Concerts? Perhaps. But the competition from MSG, Barclays, Prudential Center, Jones Beach, PNC, the Beacon, the Paramount, Nassau Coliseum, etc is not going away. I doubt those venues will just hand over concert dates to Belmont.

NCAA - probably at some point. But those events only get allocated to venues every decade or so...at best. Not enough reason to build an arena. MSG holds one or two major conference championship every year. Why? Location, location, location.

Look I hope this development turns out great and the Islanders do well. However, it is not the case of "if you build it they will come". Rather it is "if you built it they will come if the team is playing well and if the event is not something I can attend elsewhere". Too many other events and things to do in the Metro area that people can and will spend their money on.

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Nassau Coliseum will be no more in 5 years with the new Belmont Arena. No need for Nassau County to compete against themselves in regard to Concerts & Family Shows. It will just drive down their %. Plus Belmont will have the LIRR & Nassau Coliseum won't. Time to sell that valuable Real Estate to Hofstra or private industry.

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Nassau Coliseum will be no more in 5 years with the new Belmont Arena. No need for Nassau County to compete against themselves in regard to Concerts & Family Shows. It will just drive down their %. Plus Belmont will have the LIRR & Nassau Coliseum won't. Time to sell that valuable Real Estate to Hofstra or private industry.


That would be great but Nassau County have screwed up that piece of real estate so many times in the past that I just expect more of the same in the future.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Nassau Coliseum will be no more in 5 years with the new Belmont Arena. No need for Nassau County to compete against themselves in regard to Concerts & Family Shows. It will just drive down their %. Plus Belmont will have the LIRR & Nassau Coliseum won't. Time to sell that valuable Real Estate to Hofstra or private industry.


That would be great but Nassau County have screwed up that piece of real estate so many times in the past that I just expect more of the same in the future.



The answer to this issue is very simple...SUSA should buy the Nassau Coliseum and that would give them a climate controlled indoor facility, and a Nassau location. It would be the perfect compliment to their Central Islip Complex.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nassau Coliseum will be no more in 5 years with the new Belmont Arena. No need for Nassau County to compete against themselves in regard to Concerts & Family Shows. It will just drive down their %. Plus Belmont will have the LIRR & Nassau Coliseum won't. Time to sell that valuable Real Estate to Hofstra or private industry.


Bruce Ratner did not spend $165 million to refurbish Nassau Coliseum in a private/public project with Nassau County for it to close in 5 years. It is astounding that no plans were made to make it large enough to host the Islanders, then again it's astounding that the Islanders left for Brooklyn to play in a venue totally unsuited for ice hockey with a significant number of seats with blocked views that upset many Islander fans.
The Belmont venue is a few years away and is in an area that cannot handle the traffic flow that the Coliseum can. The venue is on Long Island, the majority of people going there will be driving there not taking the LIRR. Also interesting that the venues are both just off of Hempstead Turnpike 15 miles apart.

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Nassau Coliseum will be no more in 5 years with the new Belmont Arena. No need for Nassau County to compete against themselves in regard to Concerts & Family Shows. It will just drive down their %. Plus Belmont will have the LIRR & Nassau Coliseum won't. Time to sell that valuable Real Estate to Hofstra or private industry.


Bruce Ratner did not spend $165 million to refurbish Nassau Coliseum in a private/public project with Nassau County for it to close in 5 years. It is astounding that no plans were made to make it large enough to host the Islanders, then again it's astounding that the Islanders left for Brooklyn to play in a venue totally unsuited for ice hockey with a significant number of seats with blocked views that upset many Islander fans.
The Belmont venue is a few years away and is in an area that cannot handle the traffic flow that the Coliseum can. The venue is on Long Island, the majority of people going there will be driving there not taking the LIRR. Also interesting that the venues are both just off of Hempstead Turnpike 15 miles apart.


I'd be willing to bet a lot of people would take the LIRR to Islander games. There is a station there dedicated just to the racetrack grounds.

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Nassau Coliseum will be a minor league venue compared to the Belmont Arena. Going to be hard for it to survive being 15 miles away. Only so many shows. Idiot politicians at their finest... speaking out of both sides.

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Nassau Coliseum will be no more in 5 years with the new Belmont Arena. No need for Nassau County to compete against themselves in regard to Concerts & Family Shows. It will just drive down their %. Plus Belmont will have the LIRR & Nassau Coliseum won't. Time to sell that valuable Real Estate to Hofstra or private industry.


That would be great but Nassau County have screwed up that piece of real estate so many times in the past that I just expect more of the same in the future.



The answer to this issue is very simple...SUSA should buy the Nassau Coliseum and that would give them a climate controlled indoor facility, and a Nassau location. It would be the perfect compliment to their Central Islip Complex.


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Nassau Coliseum will be no more in 5 years with the new Belmont Arena. No need for Nassau County to compete against themselves in regard to Concerts & Family Shows. It will just drive down their %. Plus Belmont will have the LIRR & Nassau Coliseum won't. Time to sell that valuable Real Estate to Hofstra or private industry.


Bruce Ratner did not spend $165 million to refurbish Nassau Coliseum in a private/public project with Nassau County for it to close in 5 years. It is astounding that no plans were made to make it large enough to host the Islanders, then again it's astounding that the Islanders left for Brooklyn to play in a venue totally unsuited for ice hockey with a significant number of seats with blocked views that upset many Islander fans.
The Belmont venue is a few years away and is in an area that cannot handle the traffic flow that the Coliseum can. The venue is on Long Island, the majority of people going there will be driving there not taking the LIRR. Also interesting that the venues are both just off of Hempstead Turnpike 15 miles apart.


They said the same in NJ regarding the Izod Center in Meadowlands, Prudential Center buried it in a few years. Very similar situation, just 10 miles apart. Devils left Izod, then concerts, impossible for both to survive.

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