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SUSA Central Islip Master Plan
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Below are the file attachments of the Master Plan, and the legend to the SUSA Soccer Complex. The size of the original file was quite huge, and I decided to make it a download as reducing the size to fit on the board for viewing was not viewable.

For the purist, I have also uploaded the original .pdf file should you choose to download it. You can view and download the file here

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Below are the file attachments of the Master Plan, and the legend to the SUSA Soccer Complex. The size of the original file was quite huge, and I decided to make it a download as reducing the size to fit on the board for viewing was not viewable.

For the purist, I have also uploaded the original .pdf file should you choose to download it. You can view and download the file here


I wonder why there are no comments. When this project was first reported there was a load of comments with majority negative. This looks like first class facility

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Below are the file attachments of the Master Plan, and the legend to the SUSA Soccer Complex. The size of the original file was quite huge, and I decided to make it a download as reducing the size to fit on the board for viewing was not viewable.

For the purist, I have also uploaded the original .pdf file should you choose to download it. You can view and download the file here


I wonder why there are no comments. When this project was first reported there was a load of comments with majority negative. This looks like first class facility


I think because it looks like a top-shelf facility, and the fact that construction has started has quieted the naysayers.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Below are the file attachments of the Master Plan, and the legend to the SUSA Soccer Complex. The size of the original file was quite huge, and I decided to make it a download as reducing the size to fit on the board for viewing was not viewable.

For the purist, I have also uploaded the original .pdf file should you choose to download it. You can view and download the file here


I wonder why there are no comments. When this project was first reported there was a load of comments with majority negative. This looks like first class facility


It's about half of what they claimed they were building earlier in the year, but to be fair this is "phase 1". Construction hasn't really started yet but it would be great if they have some of the fields up and running by next fall. Looking forward to having more turf fields out there.

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Below are the file attachments of the Master Plan, and the legend to the SUSA Soccer Complex. The size of the original file was quite huge, and I decided to make it a download as reducing the size to fit on the board for viewing was not viewable.

For the purist, I have also uploaded the original .pdf file should you choose to download it. You can view and download the file here


I wonder why there are no comments. When this project was first reported there was a load of comments with majority negative. This looks like first class facility


It's about half of what they claimed they were building earlier in the year, but to be fair this is "phase 1". Construction hasn't really started yet but it would be great if they have some of the fields up and running by next fall. Looking forward to having more turf fields out there.



Yes because turf is so much better than grass and causes less injuries right?

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Larry Miller #697080 11/23/17 12:19 AM
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I am not affiliated with any club or any organization but any time an entity decides to build a complex like this it can only be good for the youth game of soccer.

As for your comments about injuries on turf fields being greater than grass fields you need to back up that opinion with empirical evidence or FACTS. Of course we would all prefer to have the games played on pristine grass much of which does not exist on Long Island!

Based on my experience in Nassau and Suffolk counties too many grass fields are unkempt, unwatered, littered with goose feces and with surfaces so uneven, hard as a rock and grassless in areas to the point of becoming mud fields when it rains. My actual experience while running on many of these fields, many of which are poorly maintained by school districts are more hazardous to my health (and the players) than a great turf field that is even and predictable throughout. These poorly maintained grass fields have rocks, broken glass, ruts and holes that are a danger to one's ankles and joints and just abominable! There are some grass fields that are beautiful but they are in the minority. I am sure most players will agree with me that my preference (not that I have a choice) is to officiate games on turf fields as they are actually safer and have virtually no hazards that exist on the horrible grass fields that most clubs do not control and are powerless to fix. Just the facts.

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
Below are the file attachments of the Master Plan, and the legend to the SUSA Soccer Complex. The size of the original file was quite huge, and I decided to make it a download as reducing the size to fit on the board for viewing was not viewable.

For the purist, I have also uploaded the original .pdf file should you choose to download it. You can view and download the file here


I wonder why there are no comments. When this project was first reported there was a load of comments with majority negative. This looks like first class facility


It's about half of what they claimed they were building earlier in the year, but to be fair this is "phase 1". Construction hasn't really started yet but it would be great if they have some of the fields up and running by next fall. Looking forward to having more turf fields out there.



Yes because turf is so much better than grass and causes less injuries right?


I'd love a great grass field. Most clubs don't have them. And I like to be able to still play a game after a heavy rain.

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Soccer fields instead of more apartments and strip malls YES!

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I am not affiliated with any club or any organization but any time an entity decides to build a complex like this it can only be good for the youth game of soccer.

As for your comments about injuries on turf fields being greater than grass fields you need to back up that opinion with empirical evidence or FACTS. Of course we would all prefer to have the games played on pristine grass much of which does not exist on Long Island!

Based on my experience in Nassau and Suffolk counties too many grass fields are unkempt, unwatered, littered with goose feces and with surfaces so uneven, hard as a rock and grassless in areas to the point of becoming mud fields when it rains. My actual experience while running on many of these fields, many of which are poorly maintained by school districts are more hazardous to my health (and the players) than a great turf field that is even and predictable throughout. These poorly maintained grass fields have rocks, broken glass, ruts and holes that are a danger to one's ankles and joints and just abominable! There are some grass fields that are beautiful but they are in the minority. I am sure most players will agree with me that my preference (not that I have a choice) is to officiate games on turf fields as they are actually safer and have virtually no hazards that exist on the horrible grass fields that most clubs do not control and are powerless to fix. Just the facts.


So you think ACL/MCL injuries are more likely to happen on grass fields than turf fields, I think you would need to double check your facts on that my friend. And when it is hot out and the turf boils you don’t think there is any type of bacteria growing in there and kids are prone to infections? Let’s not be naive, while most Nassau fields aren’t in great shape I don’t remember seeing broken glass anywhere so that’s a bit of a reach to say the least. Goose crap is a definite problem and nasty but would take a decent grass field over turf any day of the week. Also turf changes the game dramatically with bad hops and play that is too fast

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Actually because of the horrible grass fields yes I do believe that turf fields on Long Island cause less injuries than the grass fields and I am including my own injuries on fields as a soccer referee! That would include ACL and MCL injuries. Look at many school fields that many clubs play on and I think you would agree!!

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Now all SUSA needs are some decent trainers and likable personalities. Sadly none of that will ever happen.

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Now all SUSA needs are some decent trainers and likable personalities. Sadly none of that will ever happen.


Where do you suggest they get trainers from? Trainers-R-Us? IMO, trainers on Long Island, in general, is a very serious issue. Anyone can be a trainer and in too many cases that is the issue. There are trainers that many of you brag about, but in reality have accomplished nothing, or at least nothing that makes them known or admired outside their small area. I can name quite a few.

With the exception of Riley, who knows how to sell himself, and has connived himself into a national presence, and made some success locally years back, who else is there?

SUSA can only hire who is available and the trainer pickin's are slim. My 2 cents.

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Now all SUSA needs are some decent trainers and likable personalities. Sadly none of that will ever happen.


Where do you suggest they get trainers from? Trainers-R-Us? IMO, trainers on Long Island, in general, is a very serious issue. Anyone can be a trainer and in too many cases that is the issue. There are trainers that many of you brag about, but in reality have accomplished nothing, or at least nothing that makes them known or admired outside their small area. I can name quite a few.

With the exception of Riley, who knows how to sell himself, and has connived himself into a national presence, and made some success locally years back, who else is there?

SUSA can only hire who is available and the trainer pickin's are slim. My 2 cents.




You are correct Larry but SUSA also needs to be more responsible and hiring losers like Blabberbury and Creep JR is totally wrong. Please tell me LArry because you would know how is it that JR gets Fired from FC COPA for misconduct and shady actions and then SUSA looks past that and hires him? Knowing that he also got fired from his teaching job a long time ago for misconduct. WTF is going on here?

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Now all SUSA needs are some decent trainers and likable personalities. Sadly none of that will ever happen.


Where do you suggest they get trainers from? Trainers-R-Us? IMO, trainers on Long Island, in general, is a very serious issue. Anyone can be a trainer and in too many cases that is the issue. There are trainers that many of you brag about, but in reality have accomplished nothing, or at least nothing that makes them known or admired outside their small area. I can name quite a few.

With the exception of Riley, who knows how to sell himself, and has connived himself into a national presence, and made some success locally years back, who else is there?

SUSA can only hire who is available and the trainer pickin's are slim. My 2 cents.




You are correct Larry but SUSA also needs to be more responsible and hiring losers like Blabberbury and Creep JR is totally wrong. Please tell me LArry because you would know how is it that JR gets Fired from FC COPA for misconduct and shady actions and then SUSA looks past that and hires him? Knowing that he also got fired from his teaching job a long time ago for misconduct. WTF is going on here?


Your points are well taken, but going back to my post, who else is there? SUSA needs trainers. Every club and academy needs trainers. While we do have some quality trainers they be with more than one team at a time?

IMO, SUSA's engaging with JR, Blabberberry, and Danny Kravitsky will kick them in ass, especially Danny. My educated guess is that Moussa, Bouba, and Glen are keenly aware of the baggage each of those carry, and have addressed and are monitoring them closely.

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Now all SUSA needs are some decent trainers and likable personalities. Sadly none of that will ever happen.


Where do you suggest they get trainers from? Trainers-R-Us? IMO, trainers on Long Island, in general, is a very serious issue. Anyone can be a trainer and in too many cases that is the issue. There are trainers that many of you brag about, but in reality have accomplished nothing, or at least nothing that makes them known or admired outside their small area. I can name quite a few.

With the exception of Riley, who knows how to sell himself, and has connived himself into a national presence, and made some success locally years back, who else is there?

SUSA can only hire who is available and the trainer pickin's are slim. My 2 cents.




You are correct Larry but SUSA also needs to be more responsible and hiring losers like Blabberbury and Creep JR is totally wrong. Please tell me LArry because you would know how is it that JR gets Fired from FC COPA for misconduct and shady actions and then SUSA looks past that and hires him? Knowing that he also got fired from his teaching job a long time ago for misconduct. WTF is going on here?


Your points are well taken, but going back to my post, who else is there? SUSA needs trainers. Every club and academy needs trainers. While we do have some quality trainers they be with more than one team at a time?

IMO, SUSA's engaging with JR, Blabberberry, and Danny Kravitsky will kick them in ass, especially Danny. My educated guess is that Moussa, Bouba, and Glen are keenly aware of the baggage each of those carry, and have addressed and are monitoring them closely.




Ok Larry but what about the option of taking young trainers and developing them into the curriculum that you as a club want to have? To be honest SUSA needs a better curriculum and hiring young hungry trainers and developing them is not a bad idea dont you think?

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SUSA and all the other academy’s, and clubs are NOT at fault. The market does not have anywhere close to enough quality trainers to handle the demand.

I’ve noticed, as I’m sure most of you have that out in the country teams are better trained. Why? One major reason is the cost of living in rural America, and the cost of living on Long Island,and the surrounding NYC areas.

I’m sure SUSA’s management would love to bring in more trainers, but at what cost?

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I'm also a referee and a parent. The fields we ref on that are grass are horrendous!! There are few complexes that have excellent grass fields, but like LI Ref said, when it rains, there are no games.

The grass fields constantly flood. Puddles and mush in front of the goal area. The poop alone is just gross. The grass is never cut and it just slows the ball down drastically.

Most of the time the grass fields aren't properly lined either because its the club's responsibility to line them every game, which I would say 70% of the time they are not.

While not enough research has been done on the turf fields pros and cons, I would say that turf field tends to be less dangerous where we live do to the climate and the fact that we are at sea level.

Ask the players and the referees who run on these every weekend which they prefer. Perhaps you can ask SUSA to build you a dome with grass fields lol

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
SUSA and all the other academy’s, and clubs are NOT at fault. The market does not have anywhere close to enough quality trainers to handle the demand.

I’ve noticed, as I’m sure most of you have that out in the country teams are better trained. Why? One major reason is the cost of living in rural America, and the cost of living on Long Island,and the surrounding NYC areas.

I’m sure SUSA’s management would love to bring in more trainers, but at what cost?


OK but JR , Blabberburry and jerk Dan take a big load of salary to stay and train crap level. So wouldnt it make sense to hire younger trainers and train nd develop them? of course this would require BOUBA and Moussa to get of there asses in their office spaces and go and inspect quality of training in diff locations but it would be a good start!

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Larry Miller
SUSA and all the other academy’s, and clubs are NOT at fault. The market does not have anywhere close to enough quality trainers to handle the demand.

I’ve noticed, as I’m sure most of you have that out in the country teams are better trained. Why? One major reason is the cost of living in rural America, and the cost of living on Long Island,and the surrounding NYC areas.

I’m sure SUSA’s management would love to bring in more trainers, but at what cost?


OK but JR , Blabberburry and jerk Dan take a big load of salary to stay and train crap level. So wouldnt it make sense to hire younger trainers and train nd develop them? of course this would require BOUBA and Moussa to get of there asses in their office spaces and go and inspect quality of training in diff locations but it would be a good start!



First of all, Bouba and Moussa are always off their asses when it's practice and game times. Second, you want Bouba nnd Moussa to train the trainers? That does not make business sense to me. Train them and then they split or go into business for themselves, and take teams like Danny did to Kurt, like Joe Diliberti did to SUSA?

How about you start the ANON TRAINING TRAINERS ACADEMY? I'm confident I can get SUSA and others to be paid clients.

As far as JR, Blabberberry, and Danny K., I have made my thoughts known to Moussa employing very direct language.

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
SUSA and all the other academy’s, and clubs are NOT at fault. The market does not have anywhere close to enough quality trainers to handle the demand.

I’ve noticed, as I’m sure most of you have that out in the country teams are better trained. Why? One major reason is the cost of living in rural America, and the cost of living on Long Island,and the surrounding NYC areas.

I’m sure SUSA’s management would love to bring in more trainers, but at what cost?


OK but JR , Blabberburry and jerk Dan take a big load of salary to stay and train crap level. So wouldnt it make sense to hire younger trainers and train nd develop them? of course this would require BOUBA and Moussa to get of there asses in their office spaces and go and inspect quality of training in diff locations but it would be a good start!



First of all, Bouba and Moussa are always off their asses when it's practice and game times. Second, you want Bouba nnd Moussa to train the trainers? That does not make business sense to me. Train them and then they split or go into business for themselves, and take teams like Danny did to Kurt, like Joe Diliberti did to SUSA?

How about you start the ANON TRAINING TRAINERS ACADEMY? I'm confident I can get SUSA and others to be paid clients.

As far as JR, Blabberberry, and Danny K., I have made my thoughts known to Moussa employing very direct language.



How about making the trainers sign a contract stating after leaving you are not allowed to take any players or teams of the organization as well as coaching within the same 3 to 5 mile radius? would that hold up in court?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Larry Miller][quote=Anonymous][quote=Larry Miller]SUSA and all the other academy’s, and clubs are NOT at fault. The market does not have anywhere close to enough quality trainers to handle the demand.

I’ve noticed, as I’m sure most of you have that out in the country teams are better trained. Why? One major reason is the cost of living in rural America, and the cost of living on Long Island,and the surrounding NYC areas.

I’m sure SUSA’s management would love to bring in more trainers, but at what cost?


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OK but JR , Blabberburry and jerk Dan take a big load of salary to stay and train crap level. So wouldnt it make sense to hire younger trainers and train nd develop them? of course this would require BOUBA and Moussa to get of there asses in their office spaces and go and inspect quality of training in diff locations but it would be a good start!



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First of all, Bouba and Moussa are always off their asses when it's practice and game times. Second, you want Bouba nnd Moussa to train the trainers? That does not make business sense to me. Train them and then they split or go into business for themselves, and take teams like Danny did to Kurt, like Joe Diliberti did to SUSA?

How about you start the ANON TRAINING TRAINERS ACADEMY? I'm confident I can get SUSA and others to be paid clients.

As far as JR, Blabberberry, and Danny K., I have made my thoughts known to Moussa employing very direct language.



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How about making the trainers sign a contract stating after leaving you are not allowed to take any players or teams of the organization as well as coaching within the same 3 to 5 mile radius? would that hold up in court?


I don't know if it is legal, but what if the player decided to follow the trainer? The courts can't make a player stay at any organization.

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Originally Posted by Larry Miller
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SUSA and all the other academy’s, and clubs are NOT at fault. The market does not have anywhere close to enough quality trainers to handle the demand.

I’ve noticed, as I’m sure most of you have that out in the country teams are better trained. Why? One major reason is the cost of living in rural America, and the cost of living on Long Island,and the surrounding NYC areas.

I’m sure SUSA’s management would love to bring in more trainers, but at what cost?


OK but JR , Blabberburry and jerk Dan take a big load of salary to stay and train crap level. So wouldnt it make sense to hire younger trainers and train nd develop them? of course this would require BOUBA and Moussa to get of there asses in their office spaces and go and inspect quality of training in diff locations but it would be a good start!



First of all, Bouba and Moussa are always off their asses when it's practice and game times. Second, you want Bouba nnd Moussa to train the trainers? That does not make business sense to me. Train them and then they split or go into business for themselves, and take teams like Danny did to Kurt, like Joe Diliberti did to SUSA?

How about you start the ANON TRAINING TRAINERS ACADEMY? I'm confident I can get SUSA and others to be paid clients.

As far as JR, Blabberberry, and Danny K., I have made my thoughts known to Moussa employing very direct language.


Uh, various NPL and DA rules actually mandate clubs "train the trainers". There are supposed to be documented uniform training philosophies within clubs in order to create stability for developmental purposes.

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IF you don't like the trainers leave! I mean this isn't rocket science. Its a free market. Tired of the same crap over and over again.

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SUSA and all the other academy’s, and clubs are NOT at fault. The market does not have anywhere close to enough quality trainers to handle the demand.

I’ve noticed, as I’m sure most of you have that out in the country teams are better trained. Why? One major reason is the cost of living in rural America, and the cost of living on Long Island,and the surrounding NYC areas.

I’m sure SUSA’s management would love to bring in more trainers, but at what cost?


OK but JR , Blabberburry and jerk Dan take a big load of salary to stay and train crap level. So wouldnt it make sense to hire younger trainers and train nd develop them? of course this would require BOUBA and Moussa to get of there asses in their office spaces and go and inspect quality of training in diff locations but it would be a good start!



First of all, Bouba and Moussa are always off their asses when it's practice and game times. Second, you want Bouba nnd Moussa to train the trainers? That does not make business sense to me. Train them and then they split or go into business for themselves, and take teams like Danny did to Kurt, like Joe Diliberti did to SUSA?

How about you start the ANON TRAINING TRAINERS ACADEMY? I'm confident I can get SUSA and others to be paid clients.

As far as JR, Blabberberry, and Danny K., I have made my thoughts known to Moussa employing very direct language.


Uh, various NPL and DA rules actually mandate clubs "train the trainers". There are supposed to be documented uniform training philosophies within clubs in order to create stability for developmental purposes.



Of course they do. Its called train the trainers. It happens in all walks of business, well except in Larry's LI soccer world.

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Thanks for posting. How exciting for Long Island soccer and that area in particular. I don't see how anyone could possibly see this as a negative. Long overdue in along Island in my opinion. I do have a quick question. I have a very good friend who recently opened a fantastic bagel store / deli in that area. Do you have any idea who he can contact to discuss the possibility of becoming a vendor In the proposed food court ?
Thanks !

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