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Re: BU-11 Fall2011/Spring2012 [Re: Anonymous] #459614
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I thought the coach and trainer were one in the same? My view as an outsider was not that there were incorrect tactical decisions, but that the kids were being trained to play high level technical soccer, which would have served them well in the long run, but also came at the risk of not winning games. For example, they did a great job moving the ball around the back, but the risk is that one bad pass and the other side gets a breakaway. I also think they may have suffered from having too many talented players, if that makes any sense. That is, they did not have as high a work rate as other teams and lacked kids who run up and down the field and win lots of balls. But the overall talent on that team was undeniable.

It was a team of super star kids & ego-centric parents. Never a good combo...

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Re: BU-11 Fall2011/Spring2012 [Re: Anonymous] #459618
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
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I thought the coach and trainer were one in the same? My view as an outsider was not that there were incorrect tactical decisions, but that the kids were being trained to play high level technical soccer, which would have served them well in the long run, but also came at the risk of not winning games. For example, they did a great job moving the ball around the back, but the risk is that one bad pass and the other side gets a breakaway. I also think they may have suffered from having too many talented players, if that makes any sense. That is, they did not have as high a work rate as other teams and lacked kids who run up and down the field and win lots of balls. But the overall talent on that team was undeniable.

It was a team of super star kids & ego-centric parents. Never a good combo...



That is another way of putting it I guess.

Re: BU-11 Fall2011/Spring2012 [Re: Anonymous] #459619
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All top teams have super egos parents which is the nature of the beast.
The coach was different than the trainer, the coach made the game day decisions while the trainer gave the half time speech.

The HOTA players could move the ball around but when you put a certain player in a position they cannot handle, do not adjust quickly you made a failed tactical decision as a coach.

This is a shame they disbanded but sometimes it works out the best for all parties involved. So many U10 super star teams imploded by the time they are U12 due to overzealous people who say they are in it for the kids.

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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
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I thought the coach and trainer were one in the same? My view as an outsider was not that there were incorrect tactical decisions, but that the kids were being trained to play high level technical soccer, which would have served them well in the long run, but also came at the risk of not winning games. For example, they did a great job moving the ball around the back, but the risk is that one bad pass and the other side gets a breakaway. I also think they may have suffered from having too many talented players, if that makes any sense. That is, they did not have as high a work rate as other teams and lacked kids who run up and down the field and win lots of balls. But the overall talent on that team was undeniable.

It was a team of super star kids & ego-centric parents. Never a good combo...


I agree that the HOTA parents were over the top. The kids were not as talented as they thought. They were not as nearly as athletic as most of the other teams. As the more athletic teams( NHP, Elmont, Farmingdale) became more skilled, HOTA drifted into D1 mediocrity. Their losses came because they were not better than the teams they played and not beacause they played some "techinical" brand of soccer. That is just some trainer's nonsensical excuse

Re: BU-11 Fall2011/Spring2012 [Re: Anonymous] #459625
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
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I thought the coach and trainer were one in the same? My view as an outsider was not that there were incorrect tactical decisions, but that the kids were being trained to play high level technical soccer, which would have served them well in the long run, but also came at the risk of not winning games. For example, they did a great job moving the ball around the back, but the risk is that one bad pass and the other side gets a breakaway. I also think they may have suffered from having too many talented players, if that makes any sense. That is, they did not have as high a work rate as other teams and lacked kids who run up and down the field and win lots of balls. But the overall talent on that team was undeniable.

It was a team of super star kids & ego-centric parents. Never a good combo...


I agree that the HOTA parents were over the top. The kids were not as talented as they thought. They were not as nearly as athletic as most of the other teams. As the more athletic teams( NHP, Elmont, Farmingdale) became more skilled, HOTA drifted into D1 mediocrity. Their losses came because they were not better than the teams they played and not beacause they played some "techinical" brand of soccer. That is just some trainer's nonsensical excuse


Mediocrity? Like tieing more skilled Elmont for 6th place. They had too many of the same type of player, very skilled, but not athletically gifted. But they did play good technical soccer.

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I thought the coach and trainer were one in the same? My view as an outsider was not that there were incorrect tactical decisions, but that the kids were being trained to play high level technical soccer, which would have served them well in the long run, but also came at the risk of not winning games. For example, they did a great job moving the ball around the back, but the risk is that one bad pass and the other side gets a breakaway. I also think they may have suffered from having too many talented players, if that makes any sense. That is, they did not have as high a work rate as other teams and lacked kids who run up and down the field and win lots of balls. But the overall talent on that team was undeniable.

It was a team of super star kids & ego-centric parents. Never a good combo...


I agree that the HOTA parents were over the top. The kids were not as talented as they thought. They were not as nearly as athletic as most of the other teams. As the more athletic teams( NHP, Elmont, Farmingdale) became more skilled, HOTA drifted into D1 mediocrity. Their losses came because they were not better than the teams they played and not beacause they played some "techinical" brand of soccer. That is just some trainer's nonsensical excuse


Mediocrity? Like tieing more skilled Elmont for 6th place. They had too many of the same type of player, very skilled, but not athletically gifted. But they did play good technical soccer.


Yes, the Elmont team that beat HOTA soundly.

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Get your facts straight, the elmont game was after the trainer was removed, the team was in disarray and nobody cared, a 4 to 2 score is not exactly a soundly beating!

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I am surprised that the Hicksville Galaxy took on the Hota kids. Something is weird about that.

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Does anyone know what outdoor league the Latin Boys SC play in, or are they just a compiled team for indoor purposes?

Re: BU-11 Fall2011/Spring2012 [Re: Larry Miller] #459644
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There are some U-12 players on there. But its basically just a few teams combined. Not much competition for them, a little silly.

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Hicksville seemed to be a good team getting better each season. If they took all these HOTA kids did they get rid of a bunch of their own boys or just increase their roster? How many kids are allowed on the roster at this age and if they max out are they really going to sub in all these boys? If so than it could be a good things. I have seen some teams sub nicely while others not so much.
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The Hota team was falling apart due to the coach and not the trainer which is why such a team filled with talent couldn't be in the top five. They were able to possess and move the ball really well but the coach was doing the incorrect tactical decisions.

By the way, how many HOTA players went to Hicksville and is that the Galaxy they went to?

Re: BU-11 Fall2011/Spring2012 [Re: Anonymous] #459648
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I thought the coach and trainer were one in the same? My view as an outsider was not that there were incorrect tactical decisions, but that the kids were being trained to play high level technical soccer, which would have served them well in the long run, but also came at the risk of not winning games. For example, they did a great job moving the ball around the back, but the risk is that one bad pass and the other side gets a breakaway. I also think they may have suffered from having too many talented players, if that makes any sense. That is, they did not have as high a work rate as other teams and lacked kids who run up and down the field and win lots of balls. But the overall talent on that team was undeniable.

It was a team of super star kids & ego-centric parents. Never a good combo...


I agree that the HOTA parents were over the top. The kids were not as talented as they thought. They were not as nearly as athletic as most of the other teams. As the more athletic teams( NHP, Elmont, Farmingdale) became more skilled, HOTA drifted into D1 mediocrity. Their losses came because they were not better than the teams they played and not beacause they played some "techinical" brand of soccer. That is just some trainer's nonsensical excuse


Mediocrity? Like tieing more skilled Elmont for 6th place. They had too many of the same type of player, very skilled, but not athletically gifted. But they did play good technical soccer.


Yes, the Elmont team that beat HOTA soundly.


Not from Hota, but my point is that you are labeling Hota as mediocre based on their record, and comparing them to Elmont, who you say is not mediocre, yet Elmont and Hota had identical records. Your argument makes no sense in that regard.

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You can take up to 15 players on the roster but I have no clue why Hicksville would do something like this. They had a nice team, maybe the coach is going to be on the RB team by the end of the next tryouts.

Re: BU-11 Fall2011/Spring2012 [Re: Anonymous] #459751
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Now that N1 is set, Is there any team that is going to give Farmingdale or NHP a run for the title? Did any N1 team pick up key players? are Albertson and Floral Park revamped since thier last go round in N1? How are these teams doing in winter league?

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Are they any other options in LIJ to get a team relocated to a lower division when the division's coordinator will not accept your requests?

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