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strange Offside call #667776
11/14/16 08:09 PM
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In our game yesterday the following occurred:

• In our defending half, the most advanced opposing team’s attacker, A1, received a ball from one of her teammates in an onside position. She turned and started driving at the center fullback D1, who with the keeper behind her, was one of two defenders behind the ball.
• As A1 was preparing to try to beat D1, D1 attempted a tackle. Both players struck the ball at the same time and both ended up on the ground, A1, having tripped over the ball, was now in a more advanced position (closer to our goal) than D1, but D1 had the ball in front of her.
• A1 was a bit quicker to recover, got up, dispossessed D1 of the ball and started to drive toward the goal.
• The whistle was blown and the refs call off-side on the A1.
• I asked the AR, who had risen his flag to explain this and he said the A1 came from an off-side position to take the ball. I replied, yes but the ball was not played to her from a teammate – she was dribbling, lost possession to D1, and then quickly regained it - he said it didn’t matter. I was chatting with him before the game and he seemed pretty knowledgeable. Also opposing coach didn’t object to a call that in my mind took away a really good scoring chance for them.

Is the AR’s interpretation correct?

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Re: strange Offside call [Re: IATKIS] #667782
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I am not a ref, but I'll be very interested in hearing if the AR's read is correct. Here's what I found for Rule 11:
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Law 11: Offside
When an attacking player receives the ball while on his opponents half, he must be level or behind the second to last defender (the last typically being the goalkeeper). However, this rule only applies if he is involved with the play. To get a better understanding of the offside rule, please see the guide section for a more detailed explanation.

It says "receives" the ball.

If the ref's read is correct, an team playing in their offense half shouldn't bother challenging the GK on a pass back.

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exactly!

Re: strange Offside call [Re: IATKIS] #667845
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If the following is true:
* A1 initially received the ball while onside
* A1 did not come from an offside position after the collision

Then I think it was a bad call made by the AR. An example would be say the keeper decides to put the ball down and play it, and there was an attacker behind him hanging out but not interfering, the attacker has every right to try and play the ball. He is in an offside position, but did not receive the ball directly from a teammate.

When I work with my AR's I tell them to be cautious about raising the flag to quickly. I explain lets make eye contact as much as possible and lets see how it all pans out, I tell the AR to stand still where they think the offside occurred and not raise the flag so quickly in case the defender makes an attempt at the ball first. Lots of new interpretations of offisde to learn.

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Originally Posted By: Anonymous414141
If the following is true:
* A1 initially received the ball while onside
* A1 did not come from an offside position after the collision

Then I think it was a bad call made by the AR. An example would be say the keeper decides to put the ball down and play it, and there was an attacker behind him hanging out but not interfering, the attacker has every right to try and play the ball. He is in an offside position, but did not receive the ball directly from a teammate.

When I work with my AR's I tell them to be cautious about raising the flag to quickly. I explain lets make eye contact as much as possible and lets see how it all pans out, I tell the AR to stand still where they think the offside occurred and not raise the flag so quickly in case the defender makes an attempt at the ball first. Lots of new interpretations of offisde to learn.


I don't understand the section I bolded. According the OP, A1 receives the ball in an onside position. After the collision, let's say A1 (without the ball) continues past D1. If A1 comes "back" to the ball, that could be considered offsides?

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Based on the description of the play, appears was not the correct call by the AR. However, the ref has the authority to overrule the call, and did not, possibly he/she was not in the correct position to do so?

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To add further comments, A1 CANNOT be offside because 1- he did not receive the ball from a team mate while in an offside position and 2- he did not receive the ball from an opponent's DELIBERATE save (which would be gaining an unfair advantage) Therefore, it CANNOT be considered offside and both the AR and the CR are wrong if it happened the way it was described.

Even the most knowledgeable Referees at the highest levels (like the World Cup) make mistakes and it looks like this crew made one.


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