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#483465 - 06/28/12 12:50 PM Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL
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With the climate in the youth soccer market rapidly changing, the EMSC has voted to move forward with the times and offer our members alternatives to this changing marketplace. With so many changes occurring in the youth soccer arena, it is no longer necessary to feel as though we are playing in quicksand. We have choices and EMSC has found it advisable and prudent to embrace these choices for our members.

A year ago, EMSC joined the ECNL for our girl’s side and we now feel it's necessary to offer choices and change for our other players as well. We are now pleased to share with you that EMSC has been accepted as a CORE NPL Club in the NYCSL on the boys side. Additionally, EMSC will now be able, in addition to NPL, to offer JSS, RPL and the NY Cup to our teams. As before some our teams will continue to play in the LIJSL.

We are excited about the changes and are looking forward to a bright future for our club.

East Meadow Soccer Club

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#483470 - 06/28/12 01:33 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
With the climate in the youth soccer market rapidly changing, the EMSC has voted to move forward with the times and offer our members alternatives to this changing marketplace. With so many changes occurring in the youth soccer arena, it is no longer necessary to feel as though we are playing in quicksand. We have choices and EMSC has found it advisable and prudent to embrace these choices for our members.

A year ago, EMSC joined the ECNL for our girl’s side and we now feel it's necessary to offer choices and change for our other players as well. We are now pleased to share with you that EMSC has been accepted as a CORE NPL Club in the NYCSL on the boys side. Additionally, EMSC will now be able, in addition to NPL, to offer JSS, RPL and the NY Cup to our teams. As before some our teams will continue to play in the LIJSL.

We are excited about the changes and are looking forward to a bright future for our club.

East Meadow Soccer Club


Wow. The ship be sinking. I give LIJSL no more than 3 years before it completely collapses.

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#483482 - 06/28/12 03:37 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
With the climate in the youth soccer market rapidly changing, the EMSC has voted to move forward with the times and offer our members alternatives to this changing marketplace. With so many changes occurring in the youth soccer arena, it is no longer necessary to feel as though we are playing in quicksand. We have choices and EMSC has found it advisable and prudent to embrace these choices for our members.

A year ago, EMSC joined the ECNL for our girl’s side and we now feel it's necessary to offer choices and change for our other players as well. We are now pleased to share with you that EMSC has been accepted as a CORE NPL Club in the NYCSL on the boys side. Additionally, EMSC will now be able, in addition to NPL, to offer JSS, RPL and the NY Cup to our teams. As before some our teams will continue to play in the LIJSL.

We are excited about the changes and are looking forward to a bright future for our club.

East Meadow Soccer Club


Wow. The ship be sinking. I give LIJSL no more than 3 years before it completely collapses.
what is going to happen with ENYYSA, NERP and Region 1 if LIJSL folds?

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#483486 - 06/28/12 04:14 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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What will happen is the same thing that has been happening for the last couple of years. The competition at Region 1, the sub-regional leagues & ENY will continue to get weaker and weaker as the stronger teams/clubs continue to leave for leagues/organizations offering better competition, fewer rules and fewer arbitary decisions not based not on soccer but on who knows what. Perhaps the powers that be at Region 1 and ENY think this is a short term shifting of the youth socer world and that these clubs will return to the fold one day but in the meantime, top clubs with decades of youth soccer development and experience throughout the region are looking for and finding top quality alternatives to the once all powerful region 1/ENY.

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#483502 - 06/28/12 06:29 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Every league will get weaker and it will lead to more unbalanced matches. It's good to have choices but it will definitly more issues.

I would imagine its only a matter of time until the up and comers move their day of play to the same as LIJSL then then choice will be forced

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#483503 - 06/28/12 06:35 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Every league will get weaker and it will lead to more unbalanced matches. It's good to have choices but it will definitly more issues.

I would imagine its only a matter of time until the up and comers move their day of play to the same as LIJSL then then choice will be forced


I don't see change of day changing, and the "freedom" that comes with the NYCSL group of leagues prevents LIJ from getting dumber than they have demonstrated over the years which got them in this mess in the first place.

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#483509 - 06/28/12 07:39 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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That is great news! As a parent and coach, JSS and NYCSL has provided a great opportunity for my players to compete against top talent in their age groups and greatly elevate their play. Many clubs will need to truly consider this move in the years to come. They always want to use the line...in the best interest of the children...but as a soccer club, the best interest of your players is to let them face the top talent and practice hard to stay competitive. Academies are really growing today and more and more players are playing with both clubs and academies. NYCSL and JSS welcomes all teams and the kids get to play some great and fun soccer.

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#483510 - 06/28/12 07:42 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Just wondering if this means that EMSC will be offering the u7, u8 and u9 players to join JSS as well?

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#483511 - 06/28/12 07:44 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: FC SESA]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Giordano
Just wondering if this means that EMSC will be offering the u7, u8 and u9 players to join JSS as well?


Yes, it will be offered.

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#483515 - 06/28/12 08:24 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: FC SESA]
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Just wondering if this means that EMSC will be offering the u7, u8 and u9 players to join JSS as well?



Most definitely. East Meadow will be putting al its players into JSS and the club will also have a seat on the JSS advisory board.

The addition of the EMSC younger teams will add a big boost to the league.

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#483519 - 06/28/12 09:18 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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LIJSL is an old system run by people who actually ruined a monopoly. More clubs are poised to follow from the buzz at tryouts.

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#483521 - 06/28/12 09:35 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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I see the long term effect of the NPL requirements forcing the merger of various smaller clubs in order to meet the team in every age group requirement. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.

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#483522 - 06/28/12 09:35 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Larry,

What happened with you and JSS? Last year you were bashing GG? Why has your mind changed can you please advise us. Besides the obvious money that he is paying you to be on the banner on top of the site. Thanks.

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#483526 - 06/28/12 09:58 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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I see the long term effect of the NPL requirements forcing the merger of various smaller clubs in order to meet the team in every age group requirement. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.


The roster of the Core NPL Clubs is frozen for 14 months with the admission of East Meadow.

The NPL will not affect the smaller clubs. Will the smaller clubs enter their teams into the NYCSL and/or JSS or stay married to LIJSL? If they open their doors to these other leagues parents and players won't need to shop elsewhere. If they stay married and faithful to the LIJSL they will lose players to the new Training Academy Clubs, i.e., ISA, Atletico, etc....

The soccer community has changed...and clubs and their boards are taking notice. Some more decisive and proactive than others at this time.

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#483528 - 06/28/12 10:15 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Larry,

What happened with you and JSS? Last year you were bashing GG? Why has your mind changed can you please advise us. Besides the obvious money that he is paying you to be on the banner on top of the site. Thanks.


On December 7th every year we remember the bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese. Do you really need a history lesson to fully comprehend the significance of that act, the war that followed, and the soldiers that were killed?

Now look in your driveway and look up and down your block. I know you see a lot of Toyotas and Hondas. Have you ever thought how this could happen? How about our relationship with Germany? The point is that peoples and businesses get past a lot of [****] because it is about money and the welfare of others.

In this specific case, I was contacted by an intermediary asking if I would take a dinner with Gary. At the dinner he told me what he wanted and I told him what I wanted (not money.) He agreed and we shook hands. I got what I wanted, and Gary got what he wanted. It's called a win-win

Credit must be given to anyone who creates success. Gary did that with his leagues. BOTN is a news reporting site for Long Island and the Greater NY Area youth soccer community. Simply put, JSS, and the NYCSL could no longer be ignored, and in fact, BOTN had in place a section to start reporting on those leagues this Fall. I actually demostrated it at the dinner.

BOTN is a business....youth soccer is big business, and if you don't think the LIJSL or your club isn't a business then you are one dumb [****]!

If the LIJSL and the ENYYSA conducted themselves in a business like manner, and had partnered with people throughout the years they may have faired much better, but partnering with others was not part of their corporate mind-set.

By the way, which do you own? A Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, or Toyota?

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#483529 - 06/28/12 10:26 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
Originally Posted By: Joe Giordano
Just wondering if this means that EMSC will be offering the u7, u8 and u9 players to join JSS as well?



Most definitely. East Meadow will be putting al its players into JSS and the club will also have a seat on the JSS advisory board.

The addition of the EMSC younger teams will add a big boost to the league.


Larry,

I heard Addie and Joan are looking for the potion of fountain of youth to rejuvenate the once and mighty LIJSL.:)
Did you know that they were both pin-up girl in a sleazy magazine more than 50 years ago? Lol...

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#483530 - 06/28/12 10:30 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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Larry,

What happened with you and JSS? Last year you were bashing GG? Why has your mind changed can you please advise us. Besides the obvious money that he is paying you to be on the banner on top of the site. Thanks.


On December 7th every year we remember the bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese. Do you really need a history lesson to fully comprehend the significance of that act, the war that followed, and the soldiers that were killed?

Now look in your driveway and look up and down your block. I know you see a lot of Toyotas and Hondas. Have you ever thought how this could happen? How about our relationship with Germany? The point is that peoples and businesses get past a lot of [****] because it is about money and the welfare of others.

In this specific case, I was contacted by an intermediary asking if I would take a dinner with Gary. At the dinner he told me what he wanted and I told him what I wanted (not money.) He agreed and we shook hands. I got what I wanted, and Gary got what he wanted. It's called a win-win

Credit must be given to anyone who creates success. Gary did that with his leagues. BOTN is a news reporting site for Long Island and the Greater NY Area youth soccer community. Simply put, JSS, and the NYCSL could no longer be ignored, and in fact, BOTN had in place a section to start reporting on those leagues this Fall. I actually demostrated it at the dinner.

BOTN is a business....youth soccer is big business, and if you don't think the LIJSL or your club isn't a business then you are one dumb [****]!

If the LIJSL and the ENYYSA conducted themselves in a business like manner, and had partnered with people throughout the years they may have faired much better, but partnering with others was not part of their corporate mind-set.

By the way, which do you own? A Honda, Nissan, Mitsubishi, or Toyota?
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I have a Yugo. The 2 stroke engine version.

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#483534 - 06/28/12 11:20 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Larry,

Thank you. I appreciate the honesty. Hopefully GG wil keep his end of the bargain.

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#483549 - 06/29/12 08:01 AM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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#483581 - 06/29/12 11:33 AM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: PFKUnited]
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Please help me as i am completely confused!

In very broad terms with reagrds to amount of geography and travel NPL = Region1? BOTH TOP PREMIER?
RPL = Eastern NY BOTH LOWER PREMIER?
NYCLS = LIJSL or does JSS = LIJSL?

then ECNL that EM and Albuttsun compete in is National Premier.

If I am a div 2 LIJSL travel team that wants to play on LI every week but want to leave LIJSL, my choice is JSS or please explain what NYCLS is.

THANKS!

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#483582 - 06/29/12 11:39 AM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: PFKUnited]
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Never thought I'd see the day. Choices are good. Standing still never is.


“If the rate of change outside an organization exceeds the rate of change on the inside, the end is near.” ; Jack Welch

This is true for the soccer clubs that are blindly sticking with the LIJSL

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#483584 - 06/29/12 11:49 AM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Please help me as i am completely confused!

In very broad terms with reagrds to amount of geography and travel NPL = Region1? BOTH TOP PREMIER?
RPL = Eastern NY BOTH LOWER PREMIER?
NYCLS = LIJSL or does JSS = LIJSL?

then ECNL that EM and Albuttsun compete in is National Premier.

If I am a div 2 LIJSL travel team that wants to play on LI every week but want to leave LIJSL, my choice is JSS or please explain what NYCLS is.

THANKS!


Your choice is RPL assuming you are U12 or older. JSS is for intramural teams wishing to enjoy a more robust program that is a true travel program.

NPL may or may not equal or exceed Region 1 and that will be determined on the NPL teams after the schedules are out.

RPL is above ENYYSA premier, which could not even offer a BU14 or BU16 age group this past Spring due to lack of interest from their 12 member leagues. What does that tell you about how teams and clubs position ENY is their plans?

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#483618 - 06/29/12 01:55 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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What does this mean to the girls teams? The statement clearly says 'accepted as a CORE NPL Club in the NYCSL on the boys side. Will the girls teams play both NPL and ECNL, and will their 'B' teams play RPL, JSS or LIJSL, or a combination there of?

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#483619 - 06/29/12 01:58 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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What does this mean to the girls teams? The statement clearly says 'accepted as a CORE NPL Club in the NYCSL on the boys side. Will the girls teams play both NPL and ECNL, and will their 'B' teams play RPL, JSS or LIJSL, or a combination there of?


It is my understanding that the girls side of the NPL is currently frozen. This does not mean that it will always be so.

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#483622 - 06/29/12 02:08 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: CJ Orlando]
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What does this mean to the girls teams? The statement clearly says 'accepted as a CORE NPL Club in the NYCSL on the boys side. Will the girls teams play both NPL and ECNL, and will their 'B' teams play RPL, JSS or LIJSL, or a combination there of?


It is my understanding that the girls side of the NPL is currently frozen. This does not mean that it will always be so.


Girls and boys NPL club admissions are frozen for 14 months

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#483629 - 06/29/12 02:33 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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Thanks. So the girls A teams will play ECNL, and boys top team will play NPL, and the rest of the EM teams will pick and choose from the leagues. NPL is frozen for 14 months, and at that time clubs may/will be dropped or added. Thanks for clarifying.

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#483633 - 06/29/12 03:20 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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All of this is good news for all soccer. The kids are now more free to play and let soccer development take place at the pace of kids and not just calendar year and at the rules policeman's pace (LIJ). Hudson Valley already is gone from ENY and more teams will be going quickly. Who wants to be left behind?
It is all rebalancing and getting the best teams to play more locally and more competitively. It is a natural progression and it is an awesome idea started long ago with US Club. This model, I really believe, trumps a USSF Academy model. Wait and see. more kids will forgo Academy soccer for this.. Any thoughts?

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#483639 - 06/29/12 05:02 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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It's always all about money for the people running the leagues. If you want your kid to play the best soccer and they are good enough go over seas. US soccer is and always will be a joke with all it it's nepotism up until the highest level. You people who believe all these leagues will get your kid scholarships are the suckers they are looking for. If your kid is looking to play for fun any league will do. The more choices the more the pool gets drained. No clear side which league is the best so they all fall under the category of decent at best and everyone will have an argument to why the league they play in is the best.

In my opinion if you are accepted into a league it should because your team is good enough. By league wins and tournament wins. It's not brain surgery. Every league now will have many crap teams in it so the leagues lose credibility. Region 1 always only had the best. Say what you want but it was the right model. If you are a true Acadmey then kids should not have to pay a dime. Again in the US they are almost all crap. Good Luck

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#483647 - 06/29/12 06:25 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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From what I can tell.

JSS = better version of S. S. I.
NYCSL = better version of LIJSL
RPL = better version of Presidents/NERP/Region 1
NPL = EDP with a different set of member clubs.

I think that the EDP/NPL model of franchised clubs with guaranteed spots regardless of the merits of the individual teams is questionable. But if it makes these clubs happy to have their own exclusive playground to send their top teams to, it doesn't matter to me.

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#483654 - 06/29/12 07:40 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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JSS and SSI are totally different. You cant compare the two leagues. SSI is a recreational intramural program for non try out fun soccer. JSS even in their lower rec divisions still has competitive , try out teams which are more advanced then regular SSI teams are.

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#483668 - 06/29/12 10:04 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
All of this is good news for all soccer. The kids are now more free to play and let soccer development take place at the pace of kids and not just calendar year and at the rules policeman's pace (LIJ). Hudson Valley already is gone from ENY and more teams will be going quickly. Who wants to be left behind?
It is all rebalancing and getting the best teams to play more locally and more competitively. It is a natural progression and it is an awesome idea started long ago with US Club. This model, I really believe, trumps a USSF Academy model. Wait and see. more kids will forgo Academy soccer for this.. Any thoughts?


Larry, did Ken Gulmi ever keep his promise and resign from the East Hudson League or are the teams in that league going to be betrayed and also head to NYCSL?

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#483673 - 06/29/12 10:28 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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All of this is good news for all soccer. The kids are now more free to play and let soccer development take place at the pace of kids and not just calendar year and at the rules policeman's pace (LIJ). Hudson Valley already is gone from ENY and more teams will be going quickly. Who wants to be left behind?
It is all rebalancing and getting the best teams to play more locally and more competitively. It is a natural progression and it is an awesome idea started long ago with US Club. This model, I really believe, trumps a USSF Academy model. Wait and see. more kids will forgo Academy soccer for this.. Any thoughts?


Larry, did Ken Gulmi ever keep his promise and resign from the East Hudson League or are the teams in that league going to be betrayed and also head to NYCSL?


IMO, the answer is YES and YES.

Ken Gulmi resigned from the EHYSL. I'm told most of the clubs are going back. The questions I have from the club side is, it's still Ken's board, and Ken is still 3rd down from the top of ENYYSA where he is a vice-president. Then there is the human factor.

Do you think after 30 years running the league, and I'm told Ken had the North ODP uniform contract as he owns the soccer store in town. Ken totally out of the picture? I don't think so.

Next year at this time you'll know if Ken's resignation was for real, or will the clubs go back to Plan B?

BTW, I don't think for one minute Ken decided to resign. Does anyone else think he was pushed?

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#483674 - 06/29/12 10:29 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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JSS is LIJSL for U7-U9.

NYCSL is LIJSL starting at U10.

JSS is just a league to provide players at the age of U7 the ability to play competitively and have the opportunity to travel.

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#483682 - 06/30/12 07:17 AM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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The RPL is offered at U11-U14 in the Fall and U11-U18 in the Spring. The RPL is a division within the NYCSL that is broader in scope than the "traditional travel league"offered by the NYCSL, which is offered at U10-U18. The RPL is attracting top teams from mainly Long Island, Westchester, and the 5 Boroughs.

The NYCSL NPL is a Club based League within the NY Club Soccer League. Only those clubs who have been accepted by US Club can participate in the League.

The NYCSL also offers the NY State Cup for U9-U18 teams. The NY Cup is based on the UEFA model. Meaning all teams are guaranteed 3 games and 50% of all teams play 4 games!!! Winning teams qualify to play in a Regional event and then play for a "National Championship"

Just Say Soccer (JSS) offers clubs & teams the opportunity to field teams in the U7-U9 age groups. The primary focus on all age groups is "development". The JSS League does not publish standings for the U7&U8 age groups.

All U7 & U8 games use the 6 v 6 format and are played on a 30 x 50 field using small goals. The U9 League does keep standings. The U9 format is 8 v 8. Last season the JSS U8 & U9 league had over 130 teams participate in EACH AGE Group. JSS has 3 different levels of play (Major, Intermediate & Minor)

JSS/NYCSL has an Advisory Board which consists of approx 18 Club Presidents who advise the league on rules, format of play etc.

I am so glad that the new league is gaining the trust of the clubs as an alternative to the "old" establishment

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#483703 - 06/30/12 12:11 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
With the climate in the youth soccer market rapidly changing, the EMSC has voted to move forward with the times and offer our members alternatives to this changing marketplace. With so many changes occurring in the youth soccer arena, it is no longer necessary to feel as though we are playing in quicksand. We have choices and EMSC has found it advisable and prudent to embrace these choices for our members.

A year ago, EMSC joined the ECNL for our girl’s side and we now feel it's necessary to offer choices and change for our other players as well. We are now pleased to share with you that EMSC has been accepted as a CORE NPL Club in the NYCSL on the boys side. Additionally, EMSC will now be able, in addition to NPL, to offer JSS, RPL and the NY Cup to our teams. As before some our teams will continue to play in the LIJSL.

We are excited about the changes and are looking forward to a bright future for our club.

East Meadow Soccer Club


Wow. The ship be sinking. I give LIJSL no more than 3 years before it completely collapses.
what is going to happen with ENYYSA, NERP and Region 1 if LIJSL folds?


why would you want or wish for lijsl to collapse. your daughter may be on one of the premier teams lij may not compete at the premier level but there are hundreds of girls in this age group that still want to play soccer even if they cant compete at the premier level. lij will still hopefully be a home for all girls to play soccer and enjoy the competitiveness of playing with there friends, wish every one well not just YOUR PREMIER DAUGHTER

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#483705 - 06/30/12 12:34 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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With the climate in the youth soccer market rapidly changing, the EMSC has voted to move forward with the times and offer our members alternatives to this changing marketplace. With so many changes occurring in the youth soccer arena, it is no longer necessary to feel as though we are playing in quicksand. We have choices and EMSC has found it advisable and prudent to embrace these choices for our members.

A year ago, EMSC joined the ECNL for our girl’s side and we now feel it's necessary to offer choices and change for our other players as well. We are now pleased to share with you that EMSC has been accepted as a CORE NPL Club in the NYCSL on the boys side. Additionally, EMSC will now be able, in addition to NPL, to offer JSS, RPL and the NY Cup to our teams. As before some our teams will continue to play in the LIJSL.

We are excited about the changes and are looking forward to a bright future for our club.

East Meadow Soccer Club


Wow. The ship be sinking. I give LIJSL no more than 3 years before it completely collapses.
what is going to happen with ENYYSA, NERP and Region 1 if LIJSL folds?


why would you want or wish for lijsl to collapse. your daughter may be on one of the premier teams lij may not compete at the premier level but there are hundreds of girls in this age group that still want to play soccer even if they cant compete at the premier level. lij will still hopefully be a home for all girls to play soccer and enjoy the competitiveness of playing with there friends, wish every one well not just YOUR PREMIER DAUGHTER


Whether LIJ collapses or just becomes a shell of its former self, what makes you say that JSS and NYCSL won't offer exactly the same level of play that you currently get in LIJJSL? The answer is your team will less all the red tape and considerably better customer service and amenities, plus much more freedom to move your child should it be necessary.

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#483710 - 06/30/12 01:04 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: FC SESA]
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JSS is LIJSL for U7-U9.

NYCSL is LIJSL starting at U10.

JSS is just a league to provide players at the age of U7 the ability to play competitively and have the opportunity to travel.


so NYCSL gives me ompetitive games in just nassau suffolk? thats what we are looking for

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#483711 - 06/30/12 01:43 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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My boys u14 team competed in NYCSL this past Spring season. They not only played teams from long island, but also competed against teams from Brooklyn, Yonkers and Queens. Soccer clubs as well as academies.

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#483718 - 06/30/12 02:50 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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yes

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#483721 - 06/30/12 03:46 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
With the climate in the youth soccer market rapidly changing, the EMSC has voted to move forward with the times and offer our members alternatives to this changing marketplace. With so many changes occurring in the youth soccer arena, it is no longer necessary to feel as though we are playing in quicksand. We have choices and EMSC has found it advisable and prudent to embrace these choices for our members.

A year ago, EMSC joined the ECNL for our girl’s side and we now feel it's necessary to offer choices and change for our other players as well. We are now pleased to share with you that EMSC has been accepted as a CORE NPL Club in the NYCSL on the boys side. Additionally, EMSC will now be able, in addition to NPL, to offer JSS, RPL and the NY Cup to our teams. As before some our teams will continue to play in the LIJSL.

We are excited about the changes and are looking forward to a bright future for our club.

East Meadow Soccer Club


Wow. The ship be sinking. I give LIJSL no more than 3 years before it completely collapses.
what is going to happen with ENYYSA, NERP and Region 1 if LIJSL folds?


why would you want or wish for lijsl to collapse. your daughter may be on one of the premier teams lij may not compete at the premier level but there are hundreds of girls in this age group that still want to play soccer even if they cant compete at the premier level. lij will still hopefully be a home for all girls to play soccer and enjoy the competitiveness of playing with there friends, wish every one well not just YOUR PREMIER DAUGHTER


Whether LIJ collapses or just becomes a shell of its former self, what makes you say that JSS and NYCSL won't offer exactly the same level of play that you currently get in LIJJSL? The answer is your team will less all the red tape and considerably better customer service and amenities, plus much more freedom to move your child should it be necessary.


I will believe that when I see it.

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#483722 - 06/30/12 03:50 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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That comment coming from you should be heeded like your someone in the know.

I guess when you're anonymous it's easy to be "obvious"

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#484215 - 07/08/12 08:57 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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what is NDL and what does it stand for ? is that same as NDP as both names used in article on main page of BOTN

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#484216 - 07/08/12 09:06 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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what is NDL and what does it stand for ? is that same as NDP as both names used in article on main page of BOTN



NDL? I think you mean NPL. The NDP is a 3 year old experiment of the LIJSL, which has seen attrition of teams over the years, and more to come this Fall. It is a league that does not keep standings or scores, and does not allow any news about it to get out, and has no web presence. It is for 7 & 8 year olds.

The NPL is a national league and and you can click on the NYCSL banner above and read about the league on their website.

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#484227 - 07/09/12 08:58 AM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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I think the NDP league was set up to take the place of the free U9 pre travel league that went away.

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#484251 - 07/09/12 06:44 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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NDP again has nothing to do with LIJSL. Just a bunch of Nassau games clubs that want to play games without standings. NOthing to do with LIJSL. Not an experiment.

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#484252 - 07/09/12 07:32 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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NDP again has nothing to do with LIJSL. Just a bunch of Nassau games clubs that want to play games without standings. NOthing to do with LIJSL. Not an experiment.


LIJSL has everything to do with this league, however, since it has not been a success with falling numbers over the past years coupled with the success of the JSS and NYCSL, the LIJSL appears to be in damage control mode, and distancing themselves from the NDP.

If this league was a success the LIJSL would be screaming from the top of the 50 foot Addie Mattei-Iaia statue at Soccer Park.

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#484266 - 07/10/12 09:35 AM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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From what I can tell.

I think that the EDP/NPL model of franchised clubs with guaranteed spots regardless of the merits of the individual teams is questionable. But if it makes these clubs happy to have their own exclusive playground to send their top teams to, it doesn't matter to me.


EDP does not guarantee spots to anyone:

"5. Member Clubs are expected to enter all age groups where they have a team of the requisite caliber. Teams that are not of EDP level at a given age group should not be entered, and the league may decline to offer such teams a spot in an EDP bracket upon its normal review."

http://edpsoccer.org/pdf/edpteams.pdf

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#484269 - 07/10/12 10:50 AM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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You are 100% incorrect on all accounts regarding NDP. There are NO falling numbers. It is a program to keep the competitive pychos out and allow children to develope, unlike your promotion of JSS and it's way to create income and a more competitive group to play against LIJSL.

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#484271 - 07/10/12 10:55 AM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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You are 100% incorrect on all accounts regarding NDP. There are NO falling numbers. It is a program to keep the competitive pychos out and allow children to develope, unlike your promotion of JSS and it's way to create income and a more competitive group to play against LIJSL.


Competitive Psychos? You are a psycho for coming up with the phrase and thought.

You are also a "shill" for the league and the NDP. There certainly has been a steady attrition of teams and it is continuing. If your NDP parents didn't want standings and scores and talk about the league they wouldn't be leaving to play in the JSS.

If you were actually telling the truth you wouldn't have to be anonymous, would you?

Now the next anonymous post from you I expect will say that LIJSL has nothing to do with this league.

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#484281 - 07/10/12 04:07 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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Is NDP the same as "Inter-Town"?

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#484283 - 07/10/12 04:30 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Larry Miller]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
You are 100% incorrect on all accounts regarding NDP. There are NO falling numbers. It is a program to keep the competitive pychos out and allow children to develope, unlike your promotion of JSS and it's way to create income and a more competitive group to play against LIJSL.


Competitive Psychos? You are a psycho for coming up with the phrase and thought.

You are also a "shill" for the league and the NDP. There certainly has been a steady attrition of teams and it is continuing. If your NDP parents didn't want standings and scores and talk about the league they wouldn't be leaving to play in the JSS.

If you were actually telling the truth you wouldn't have to be anonymous, would you?

Now the next anonymous post from you I expect will say that LIJSL has nothing to do with this league.


If I was a paid spokesman I'd use my name as well.

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#484288 - 07/10/12 05:16 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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so what is your name big shot?

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#484289 - 07/10/12 05:28 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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yes - a handful of lijsl registered clubs set this up to take the place of the free informal Pre-Travel league that turned into JSS rather then go travel at U9.

Handfull of clubs are in minus East Meadow who are leaving this fall.

Time will tell if more parents and clubs want to go the more competitive, formal, costly route.

Nothing evil.

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#484856 - 07/19/12 12:59 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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NDP and JSS are not much different from each other when it comes to U8, there is an exception in that U7 teams play in JSS. There are no standings in the JSS U7 & U8 divisions, just as there are none in NDP. I bet as the younger trend continues, the U7s will be playing in NDP soon enough to try keep these parents occupied and leaving to other JSS member programs.

I am also sure that there are competitive physcos in NDP as well, you should be realistic. Competitive physcos aside, fact of the matter is that many of our children are competitive by nature. They want to win an NDP match, JSS match...a baseball game, whatever competitive environment you put them in. NDP is no different...there is a winner and a loser, no matter how you want to slice it, its a game. Is winning most important in terms of development? no...maybe not, but the competitive juices of the children come out naturally, with or without the aid of the physco parents. For the NDP U9s, I am sure the team who went un-defeated knows so, whether its posted on a site somewhere or not. They probably feel good about it..and rightly so.

There are pros\cons to both programs (NDP vs JSS)...but don't try and paint a picture that the NDP is free from the ugly things that go along with youth sports. I also wonder how many kids in your club run off to a JSS match after their NDP match. If you think it doesn't happen, again...unrealistic. Maybe you want to believe these aren't facts because you're a NDP supporter...take a closer look internally in your club, I bet you'd be surprised.

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#484874 - 07/19/12 05:19 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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big difference is no additional cost or player registration with a 2nd sanctioning body or the substitution of one sanctioning body with another if you dont want to double register.

After that you are right, a match is a match and the kids know who wins and who lost.

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#484900 - 07/19/12 10:59 PM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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Wrong.. NDP clubs do charge.. watch out for Padetz!! He is a snake in the woods

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#484908 - 07/20/12 08:57 AM Re: Statement from East Meadow regarding move to NYCSL NPL [Re: Anonymous]
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If this is all true, the ndp will be just like the free pre-travel that morphed into jss. When athletes say its not about the money it ALWAYS is and it could be the same thing here.

You do the math $600 per team a year adds up pretty quick.

Long Island likes to pay for everything sports .

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