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#486282 - 08/03/12 06:49 PM Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coacheso he [Re: CJ Orlando]
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Of course they go to see talent. What do you expect a coach to do? They go to see talent where ever they may be.

If you are reading, and not just being emotional everyone here is saying only that there are just as many college coaches at club games as academy.

Yes, if you are good, you can be seen anywhere or for that matter on a not very good team. This is what must be clear: YOUR CHANCE OF GETTING INTO A BETTER SCHOOL, AND/OR GET SCHOLARSHIP MONEY ARE WAY BETTER IN ACADEMY PROGRAM THAN NOT. Simple. Not impossible. Just way better. At least that is what I have to believe.

If your kid got into his first choice school, in part because of soccer. Congrats to him! Job well done. But he is the exception, not the rule. I think. I also have to justify all that money I spend to see my kid on the bench.

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#486283 - 08/03/12 06:52 PM Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coacheso he [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Its true. I never said anything about financial aid, because I am not privy to it. I merely stated, in response to the post about how the academies dont get alot of player into top schools, that Albuttsun has TWO, one this year, 1 next going to Ivy's, and another to a TOP 25 D1 academic school. That does not count all the others. This is not an Albuttsun thing, it's an Academy thing. Please dont ignorantly refute. Go look it up. It's fact. Then, find the best club team you can and compare. Let me help:


I wont name names but here are the colleges for 1 of the top u18 teams in the country (local team) vs one of the local Academies
Local Club
Cornell-1
Suny (New Paltz, Albany, Binghamton, Plattsburg, Oneonta, Cortland)-9
St. Johns-1
Hartwick-1
Hartford-1
MIT-2
FDU-1
Fordham-1
Adedlphi-1

Don't know how many got athletic scholarships, but for sure The D3's didnt

Local Academy (s=some athletic money, at least 1/2)

Harvard-2
Columbia-1
Marist-1 (S)
Holy Cross-2 (s)
Northwestern-1
Georgetown-1
NJIT-1 (S)
Clemson-1 (S)
Maryland-1 (S)
Stonybrook-1 (S)
Mercy-2
Plus 4 unknowns


I think the comparisons speak for themselves


Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Falcon
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
There are 2 on Albuttsun Alone. Wont name names, but go read it for yourself. They have outstanding grades, and are both outstanding soccer players. Both were highly recruited by they Ivy league school. Please don't write back, "name them". Go do the research. 1 Defender, 1 Striker/Mid

How can you post this! It is nothing but conjecture. Financial aid package. Who and how much? Would not have gotten in without soccer How about would not have gotten in without grades and SAT scores even with soccer. Big scholarships to big time soccer schools but chose Ivy's. Name 2. That is your opinion based on I don't know what. But it is the type of nonsense that gets posted here all the time


This happens. I know first hand of several that have chosen the Ivy track and turned down meaningful scholarship money to do so. Yes there are a few kids that would get into an Ivy without the sport but this is very very rare.....look at the admissions rate......less than 12% at Harvard, Yale, Princeton etc. Off the chart grades is not enough when there are 30,000 applications from all over the WORLD for 1500-1800 spots. Also, read up on the admissions process for athletes at Ivy league schools and you will see how being a recruited athlete helps. Mind you families choosing an Ivy education over scholarship money generally have put themselves in a position where they can make that decision financially.....Also need based financial aid at the Ivy schools can be substantial and in many cases, are higher than athletic scholarship money. Food for thought and a little survey....please respond to the following.....If the choice is a 1/2 scholarship to UNC or UCONN or Maryland or no scholarship money but soccer and a Harvard education that the family can afford and won't saddle the kid with debt, which would you choose?

I take the Ivy league education.


You give people too much credit.....I think many would choose what they see on ESPN TV first!


Other than Beachside, there is not one local non-academy club with a strong track record of sending kids on to play college soccer.

These are the same clubs that are charging twice as much as the local academies.

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#486284 - 08/03/12 06:58 PM Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coacheso he [Re: Anonymous]
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[quote=Anonymous]Its true. I never said anything about financial aid, because I am not privy to it. I merely stated, in response to the post about how the academies dont get alot of player into top schools, that Albuttsun has TWO, one this year, 1 next going to Ivy's, and another to a TOP 25 D1 academic school. That does not count all the others. This is not an Albuttsun thing, it's an Academy thing. Please dont ignorantly refute. Go look it up. It's fact. Then, find the best club team you can and compare. Let me help:


I wont name names but here are the colleges for 1 of the top u18 teams in the country (local team) vs one of the local Academies
Local Club
Cornell-1
Suny (New Paltz, Albany, Binghamton, Plattsburg, Oneonta, Cortland)-9
St. Johns-1
Hartwick-1
Hartford-1
MIT-2
FDU-1
Fordham-1
Adedlphi-1

Don't know how many got athletic scholarships, but for sure The D3's didnt

Local Academy (s=some athletic money, at least 1/2)

Harvard-2
Columbia-1
Marist-1 (S)
Holy Cross-2 (s)
Northwestern-1
Georgetown-1
NJIT-1 (S)
Clemson-1 (S)
Maryland-1 (S)
Stonybrook-1 (S)
Mercy-2
Plus 4 unknowns


I think the comparisons speak for themselves


I will follow up with one of the Academy teams in this area for this upcoming year already have committments to:

Harvard
Columbia
Princeton
Michigan
Villanova
Fairfield

What's interesting is that a couple of these kids are probably not playing in the academy again this upcoming season because they want to play school ball.

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#486285 - 08/03/12 07:33 PM Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coacheso he [Re: Anonymous]
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I wont name names but here are the colleges for 1 of the top u18 teams in the country (local team) vs one of the local Academies
Local Club
Cornell-1
Suny (New Paltz, Albany, Binghamton, Plattsburg, Oneonta, Cortland)-9
St. Johns-1
Hartwick-1
Hartford-1
MIT-2
FDU-1
Fordham-1
Adedlphi-1

Don't know how many got athletic scholarships, but for sure The D3's didnt

Local Academy (s=some athletic money, at least 1/2)

Harvard-2
Columbia-1
Marist-1 (S)
Holy Cross-2 (s)
Northwestern-1
Georgetown-1
NJIT-1 (S)
Clemson-1 (S)
Maryland-1 (S)
Stonybrook-1 (S)
Mercy-2
Plus 4 unknowns


Let me stir the pot here with my snobby reply.

First, sending your child to college to play soccer is not something I would consider or allow.

Of the schools mentioned above, I find only five schools that I would consider acceptable for either of my daughters. One of those schools daughter #1 did attend and graduated, and of those five schools, I believe two do not offer any athletic scholarship coinage.

It should have become the parents #1 priority when they found out that a child was on the way to start planning for college financially, and have a plan to get the child into the education system at the earliest possible time. For me, both of my children began school full-time at the age of 2 years and 9 months.

After college both went to graduate school, and daughter #1 still goes to school on her way to a her PHD.

Yes, I know I piss everyone off and I know how many of you view me, but I wonder how many of you still have or will have children living at home with you after college, or are still living at home after high school and going out into the business world?

Soccer is a game like every other sport, and not one that pays well compared to other sports at the professional level. It has always seemed to me that soccer is being used as an alternative to the money you never saved to pay for college, and the reality is it doesn't.

Before you attack me, make sure you clearly identify yourself as I have or there will be no discussion. I am much to busy to banter with a ghost, and besides, I have my fan club meeting I must attend.

Oh, the school included above that daughter #1 attended was Northwestern University with a degree in Astro-Physics.

BTW, how extensively have you read the College Board?

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#486295 - 08/03/12 09:15 PM Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coacheso he [Re: Larry Miller]
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Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
Quote:
I wont name names but here are the colleges for 1 of the top u18 teams in the country (local team) vs one of the local Academies
Local Club
Cornell-1
Suny (New Paltz, Albany, Binghamton, Plattsburg, Oneonta, Cortland)-9
St. Johns-1
Hartwick-1
Hartford-1
MIT-2
FDU-1
Fordham-1
Adedlphi-1

Don't know how many got athletic scholarships, but for sure The D3's didnt

Local Academy (s=some athletic money, at least 1/2)

Harvard-2
Columbia-1
Marist-1 (S)
Holy Cross-2 (s)
Northwestern-1
Georgetown-1
NJIT-1 (S)
Clemson-1 (S)
Maryland-1 (S)
Stonybrook-1 (S)
Mercy-2
Plus 4 unknowns


Let me stir the pot here with my snobby reply.

First, sending your child to college to play soccer is not something I would consider or allow.

Of the schools mentioned above, I find only five schools that I would consider acceptable for either of my daughters. One of those schools daughter #1 did attend and graduated, and of those five schools, I believe two do not offer any athletic scholarship coinage.

It should have become the parents #1 priority when they found out that a child was on the way to start planning for college financially, and have a plan to get the child into the education system at the earliest possible time. For me, both of my children began school full-time at the age of 2 years and 9 months.

After college both went to graduate school, and daughter #1 still goes to school on her way to a her PHD.

Yes, I know I piss everyone off and I know how many of you view me, but I wonder how many of you still have or will have children living at home with you after college, or are still living at home after high school and going out into the business world?

Soccer is a game like every other sport, and not one that pays well compared to other sports at the professional level. It has always seemed to me that soccer is being used as an alternative to the money you never saved to pay for college, and the reality is it doesn't.

Before you attack me, make sure you clearly identify yourself as I have or there will be no discussion. I am much to busy to banter with a ghost, and besides, I have my fan club meeting I must attend.

Oh, the school included above that daughter #1 attended was Northwestern University with a degree in Astro-Physics.

BTW, how extensively have you read the College Board?


Actually, well done. I tell all the kids I coach that soccer is a means to an end. The end is not the scholarship, it is getting into a better academic school then you would otherwise get into. 90% of the kids who play at Ivy League schools would not get in without having been recruited for soccer. I went to a top school, and there was more talent playing intramurals than playing on the team - a lot of recruited kids dropped off the team to focus on their grades. That is the way it should be. The whole "my kid is going to get a scholarship" crowd is delusional.

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#486302 - 08/03/12 11:25 PM Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coacheso he [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
Quote:
I wont name names but here are the colleges for 1 of the top u18 teams in the country (local team) vs one of the local Academies
Local Club
Cornell-1
Suny (New Paltz, Albany, Binghamton, Plattsburg, Oneonta, Cortland)-9
St. Johns-1
Hartwick-1
Hartford-1
MIT-2
FDU-1
Fordham-1
Adedlphi-1

Don't know how many got athletic scholarships, but for sure The D3's didnt

Local Academy (s=some athletic money, at least 1/2)

Harvard-2
Columbia-1
Marist-1 (S)
Holy Cross-2 (s)
Northwestern-1
Georgetown-1
NJIT-1 (S)
Clemson-1 (S)
Maryland-1 (S)
Stonybrook-1 (S)
Mercy-2
Plus 4 unknowns


Let me stir the pot here with my snobby reply.

First, sending your child to college to play soccer is not something I would consider or allow.

Of the schools mentioned above, I find only five schools that I would consider acceptable for either of my daughters. One of those schools daughter #1 did attend and graduated, and of those five schools, I believe two do not offer any athletic scholarship coinage.

It should have become the parents #1 priority when they found out that a child was on the way to start planning for college financially, and have a plan to get the child into the education system at the earliest possible time. For me, both of my children began school full-time at the age of 2 years and 9 months.

After college both went to graduate school, and daughter #1 still goes to school on her way to a her PHD.

Yes, I know I piss everyone off and I know how many of you view me, but I wonder how many of you still have or will have children living at home with you after college, or are still living at home after high school and going out into the business world?

Soccer is a game like every other sport, and not one that pays well compared to other sports at the professional level. It has always seemed to me that soccer is being used as an alternative to the money you never saved to pay for college, and the reality is it doesn't.

Before you attack me, make sure you clearly identify yourself as I have or there will be no discussion. I am much to busy to banter with a ghost, and besides, I have my fan club meeting I must attend.

Oh, the school included above that daughter #1 attended was Northwestern University with a degree in Astro-Physics.

BTW, how extensively have you read the College Board?


Actually, well done. I tell all the kids I coach that soccer is a means to an end. The end is not the scholarship, it is getting into a better academic school then you would otherwise get into. 90% of the kids who play at Ivy League schools would not get in without having been recruited for soccer. I went to a top school, and there was more talent playing intramurals than playing on the team - a lot of recruited kids dropped off the team to focus on their grades. That is the way it should be. The whole "my kid is going to get a scholarship" crowd is delusional.



Truly appreciate the parenting and academic advice. I generally come on this board just to bash the academies.

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#486311 - 08/04/12 08:28 AM Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coacheso he [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Wrong again.

Just ask the college coaches where the majority of the good talent is.



You really think college coaches know [****]. It was a winning college coach who failed to get our talented boys to qualify for the Olympics. There are very few coaches who can ID talent and less that know enough about coaching to make college soccer a developmental experience. The winning college teams have just recruited more of the already talented players


Unfortunate that these coaches are the ones that make the decisions, but the fact is that they do and we all have to live with it. And though our team didn't qualify, and that is terrible, the one that went in ahead of us (Hondura), beat Spain. So I imagine they have a decent squad.


Spanish team players says it is a disgrace the way they lost. I have yet to hear the USA admit the same.You can be sure Spain will change it up. They don't like losing. For years the US has found losing to be ok. I am still waiting on the USA even with Klinsman to change it up. USA players leave the US to play in europe to develop as players,to get what they did not get in high school, ODP,Regional
Academy or even IMG. Where is the coaching?

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#486315 - 08/04/12 09:54 AM Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coacheso he [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Its true. I never said anything about financial aid, because I am not privy to it. I merely stated, in response to the post about how the academies dont get alot of player into top schools, that Albuttsun has TWO, one this year, 1 next going to Ivy's, and another to a TOP 25 D1 academic school. That does not count all the others. This is not an Albuttsun thing, it's an Academy thing. Please dont ignorantly refute. Go look it up. It's fact. Then, find the best club team you can and compare. Let me help:


I wont name names but here are the colleges for 1 of the top u18 teams in the country (local team) vs one of the local Academies
Local Club
Cornell-1
Suny (New Paltz, Albany, Binghamton, Plattsburg, Oneonta, Cortland)-9
St. Johns-1
Hartwick-1
Hartford-1
MIT-2
FDU-1
Fordham-1
Adedlphi-1

Don't know how many got athletic scholarships, but for sure The D3's didnt

Local Academy (s=some athletic money, at least 1/2)

Harvard-2
Columbia-1
Marist-1 (S)
Holy Cross-2 (s)
Northwestern-1
Georgetown-1
NJIT-1 (S)
Clemson-1 (S)
Maryland-1 (S)
Stonybrook-1 (S)
Mercy-2
Plus 4 unknowns


I think the comparisons speak for themselves


I will follow up with one of the Academy teams in this area for this upcoming year already have committments to:

Harvard
Columbia
Princeton
Michigan
Villanova
Fairfield

What's interesting is that a couple of these kids are probably not playing in the academy again this upcoming season because they want to play school ball.


Lets rank theses schools as of dec 15,2011 of 203 D1 schools
Cornell #64
Binghamton #154
Hartwick #108
Hartford #131
St Johns #13 1player [ no money]
MIT D3
FDU #56
Fordham #60
Adelphi #124 Going D2 after fall season
Harvard #161
Columbia #53
Marist #122
Holy Cross #183
Northwestern #35 1 player [no money]
NJIT #199
Georgetown #50 1 player [no money]
Clemson #42 1 player [some athletic money]
Maryland #7 1 player [some athletic money]
Stonybrook #77

Siena #173
Albany #156

Princeton #96
Villanova #78
Michigan #149
Fairfield #38
Oeonta D3

5 players going to soccer schools ranked in the top 50 out of 203, 2 of which got some money. This is what you all are spending all the training money on and having post after post as to which system is best For the money time and craziness that this academy system generates it is a huge failure as it now stands if its purpose were to promote kids into college

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#486319 - 08/04/12 10:07 AM Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coacheso he [Re: Anonymous]
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The ranking number above come from where? Whose rankings are these? What do the rankings represent?

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#486323 - 08/04/12 10:30 AM Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coacheso he [Re: Larry Miller]
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Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
The ranking number above come from where? Whose rankings are these? What do the rankings represent?


The rankings represent the fact that some people have no life and need to get to the beach or something.

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