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#443432 - 08/09/11 10:43 AM
Re: USSF Academy Players, Teams, Leagues, and Coaches
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Hang on a minute. If your quote below in bold is true, what can possibly be done?
It's impossible NO MATTER what the calendar says. This is why "new" MNT gets picked every year at youth levels. Those who develop late, have a chance to shine later. This is where the USDA is HUGE!.
Further, think about what you are saying here...if the calendar year approach tends to be early in the year loaded, then the school year approach tends to be later in the year loaded! Bottom line, at these ages, if you take any 12 month period, the older kids may tend to have an edge physically.
To the genius who mocked the fun comments. We need to make the GAME fun, not by giving out trophies and medals, but by allowing it to become a passion of enjoyment, rather than an obsession with winning...until age 13 or 14 at the earliest.
The passionate, good players will go on to be better than what we produce today, and the "fat non athletic ones" will "suffer the indignity" of a few less, (not really earned) trophies!"...at u14, you think there is THAT much of a difference between a March and October born player?"
Yes. Some, but more important there is massive difference in stage of physical maturity among kids with same dob and this disparity is at its maximum at 13 and 14, [ i]which is why trying to predict exceptional play as an adult at this age is impossible[/i] outside a handful of truly brilliant payers: and even then predicting whether they will be a good college player vs a MNT player is impossible. The birth year effect does its damage at 9 or 10: 80% of kids picked at the first travel tryout are in the first half of the birth year. So those in the second who make it half are really good, and tend to flourish at ODP etc when back in the first half of their year.
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#443457 - 08/09/11 02:44 PM
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Hang on a minute. If your quote below in bold is true, what can possibly be done?
It's impossible NO MATTER what the calendar says. This is why "new" MNT gets picked every year at youth levels. Those who develop late, have a chance to shine later. This is where the USDA is HUGE!.
Further, think about what you are saying here...if the calendar year approach tends to be early in the year loaded, then the school year approach tends to be later in the year loaded! Bottom line, at these ages, if you take any 12 month period, the older kids may tend to have an edge physically.
To the genius who mocked the fun comments. We need to make the GAME fun, not by giving out trophies and medals, but by allowing it to become a passion of enjoyment, rather than an obsession with winning...until age 13 or 14 at the earliest.
The passionate, good players will go on to be better than what we produce today, and the "fat non athletic ones" will "suffer the indignity" of a few less, (not really earned) trophies!"...at u14, you think there is THAT much of a difference between a March and October born player?"
Yes. Some, but more important there is massive difference in stage of physical maturity among kids with same dob and this disparity is at its maximum at 13 and 14, [ i]which is why trying to predict exceptional play as an adult at this age is impossible[/i] outside a handful of truly brilliant payers: and even then predicting whether they will be a good college player vs a MNT player is impossible. The birth year effect does its damage at 9 or 10: 80% of kids picked at the first travel tryout are in the first half of the birth year. So those in the second who make it half are really good, and tend to flourish at ODP etc when back in the first half of their year. Calendar year or July to August, it makes no material difference. The slightly older and faster maturing kids have an advantage. This kind if evens itself out U15....Keeping the game fun and enjoyable at 10,11,12 & 13 is very important.
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#443473 - 08/09/11 04:53 PM
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Hang on a minute. If your quote below in bold is true, what can possibly be done?
It's impossible NO MATTER what the calendar says. This is why "new" MNT gets picked every year at youth levels. Those who develop late, have a chance to shine later. This is where the USDA is HUGE!.
Further, think about what you are saying here...if the calendar year approach tends to be early in the year loaded, then the school year approach tends to be later in the year loaded! Bottom line, at these ages, if you take any 12 month period, the older kids may tend to have an edge physically.
To the genius who mocked the fun comments. We need to make the GAME fun, not by giving out trophies and medals, but by allowing it to become a passion of enjoyment, rather than an obsession with winning...until age 13 or 14 at the earliest.
The passionate, good players will go on to be better than what we produce today, and the "fat non athletic ones" will "suffer the indignity" of a few less, (not really earned) trophies!"...at u14, you think there is THAT much of a difference between a March and October born player?"
Yes. Some, but more important there is massive difference in stage of physical maturity among kids with same dob and this disparity is at its maximum at 13 and 14, [ i]which is why trying to predict exceptional play as an adult at this age is impossible[/i] outside a handful of truly brilliant payers: and even then predicting whether they will be a good college player vs a MNT player is impossible. The birth year effect does its damage at 9 or 10: 80% of kids picked at the first travel tryout are in the first half of the birth year. So those in the second who make it half are really good, and tend to flourish at ODP etc when back in the first half of their year. Calendar year or July to August, it makes no material difference. The slightly older and faster maturing kids have an advantage. This kind if evens itself out U15....Keeping the game fun and enjoyable at 10,11,12 & 13 is very important. As a coach, I often start practice with the boys holding hands and singing kumbaya, and then we warm up by playing duck duck goose.
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#443477 - 08/09/11 05:48 PM
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Hang on a minute. If your quote below in bold is true, what can possibly be done?
It's impossible NO MATTER what the calendar says. This is why "new" MNT gets picked every year at youth levels. Those who develop late, have a chance to shine later. This is where the USDA is HUGE!.
Further, think about what you are saying here...if the calendar year approach tends to be early in the year loaded, then the school year approach tends to be later in the year loaded! Bottom line, at these ages, if you take any 12 month period, the older kids may tend to have an edge physically.
To the genius who mocked the fun comments. We need to make the GAME fun, not by giving out trophies and medals, but by allowing it to become a passion of enjoyment, rather than an obsession with winning...until age 13 or 14 at the earliest.
The passionate, good players will go on to be better than what we produce today, and the "fat non athletic ones" will "suffer the indignity" of a few less, (not really earned) trophies!"...at u14, you think there is THAT much of a difference between a March and October born player?"
Yes. Some, but more important there is massive difference in stage of physical maturity among kids with same dob and this disparity is at its maximum at 13 and 14, [ i]which is why trying to predict exceptional play as an adult at this age is impossible[/i] outside a handful of truly brilliant payers: and even then predicting whether they will be a good college player vs a MNT player is impossible. The birth year effect does its damage at 9 or 10: 80% of kids picked at the first travel tryout are in the first half of the birth year. So those in the second who make it half are really good, and tend to flourish at ODP etc when back in the first half of their year. Calendar year or July to August, it makes no material difference. The slightly older and faster maturing kids have an advantage. This kind if evens itself out U15....Keeping the game fun and enjoyable at 10,11,12 & 13 is very important. As a coach, I often start practice with the boys holding hands and singing kumbaya, and then we warm up by playing duck duck goose. hahahaha.. smartest post I have seen so far! Thanks for the break! So much crap in here!
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#443490 - 08/09/11 08:46 PM
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Hang on a minute. If your quote below in bold is true, what can possibly be done?
It's impossible NO MATTER what the calendar says. This is why "new" MNT gets picked every year at youth levels. Those who develop late, have a chance to shine later. This is where the USDA is HUGE!.
Further, think about what you are saying here...if the calendar year approach tends to be early in the year loaded, then the school year approach tends to be later in the year loaded! Bottom line, at these ages, if you take any 12 month period, the older kids may tend to have an edge physically.
To the genius who mocked the fun comments. We need to make the GAME fun, not by giving out trophies and medals, but by allowing it to become a passion of enjoyment, rather than an obsession with winning...until age 13 or 14 at the earliest.
The passionate, good players will go on to be better than what we produce today, and the "fat non athletic ones" will "suffer the indignity" of a few less, (not really earned) trophies!"...at u14, you think there is THAT much of a difference between a March and October born player?"
Yes. Some, but more important there is massive difference in stage of physical maturity among kids with same dob and this disparity is at its maximum at 13 and 14, [ i]which is why trying to predict exceptional play as an adult at this age is impossible[/i] outside a handful of truly brilliant payers: and even then predicting whether they will be a good college player vs a MNT player is impossible. The birth year effect does its damage at 9 or 10: 80% of kids picked at the first travel tryout are in the first half of the birth year. So those in the second who make it half are really good, and tend to flourish at ODP etc when back in the first half of their year. Calendar year or July to August, it makes no material difference. The slightly older and faster maturing kids have an advantage. This kind if evens itself out U15....Keeping the game fun and enjoyable at 10,11,12 & 13 is very important. As a coach, I often start practice with the boys holding hands and singing kumbaya, and then we warm up by playing duck duck goose. hahahaha.. smartest post I have seen so far! Thanks for the break! So much crap in here! I love Duck Duck Goose, but for fitness, Red Rover is the best!
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#443496 - 08/09/11 10:05 PM
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Hang on a minute. If your quote below in bold is true, what can possibly be done?
It's impossible NO MATTER what the calendar says. This is why "new" MNT gets picked every year at youth levels. Those who develop late, have a chance to shine later. This is where the USDA is HUGE!.
Further, think about what you are saying here...if the calendar year approach tends to be early in the year loaded, then the school year approach tends to be later in the year loaded! Bottom line, at these ages, if you take any 12 month period, the older kids may tend to have an edge physically.
To the genius who mocked the fun comments. We need to make the GAME fun, not by giving out trophies and medals, but by allowing it to become a passion of enjoyment, rather than an obsession with winning...until age 13 or 14 at the earliest.
The passionate, good players will go on to be better than what we produce today, and the "fat non athletic ones" will "suffer the indignity" of a few less, (not really earned) trophies!"...at u14, you think there is THAT much of a difference between a March and October born player?"
Yes. Some, but more important there is massive difference in stage of physical maturity among kids with same dob and this disparity is at its maximum at 13 and 14, [ i]which is why trying to predict exceptional play as an adult at this age is impossible[/i] outside a handful of truly brilliant payers: and even then predicting whether they will be a good college player vs a MNT player is impossible. The birth year effect does its damage at 9 or 10: 80% of kids picked at the first travel tryout are in the first half of the birth year. So those in the second who make it half are really good, and tend to flourish at ODP etc when back in the first half of their year. As a matter of fact I did think about this carefully. Having two regimes with different age years might actually be a good thing! But the problem is at the first hurdle (whatever the date range): many potentially good players are lost to the game for good once they to not make that first travel team at 9 or 10. And yes: I don't believe forming a MNT at U14 has any value whatsoever except for creating a group of U14 National parents.
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#443497 - 08/09/11 11:08 PM
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Hang on a minute. If your quote below in bold is true, what can possibly be done?
It's impossible NO MATTER what the calendar says. This is why "new" MNT gets picked every year at youth levels. Those who develop late, have a chance to shine later. This is where the USDA is HUGE!.
Further, think about what you are saying here...if the calendar year approach tends to be early in the year loaded, then the school year approach tends to be later in the year loaded! Bottom line, at these ages, if you take any 12 month period, the older kids may tend to have an edge physically.
To the genius who mocked the fun comments. We need to make the GAME fun, not by giving out trophies and medals, but by allowing it to become a passion of enjoyment, rather than an obsession with winning...until age 13 or 14 at the earliest.
The passionate, good players will go on to be better than what we produce today, and the "fat non athletic ones" will "suffer the indignity" of a few less, (not really earned) trophies!"...at u14, you think there is THAT much of a difference between a March and October born player?"
Yes. Some, but more important there is massive difference in stage of physical maturity among kids with same dob and this disparity is at its maximum at 13 and 14, [ i]which is why trying to predict exceptional play as an adult at this age is impossible[/i] outside a handful of truly brilliant payers: and even then predicting whether they will be a good college player vs a MNT player is impossible. The birth year effect does its damage at 9 or 10: 80% of kids picked at the first travel tryout are in the first half of the birth year. So those in the second who make it half are really good, and tend to flourish at ODP etc when back in the first half of their year. As a matter of fact I did think about this carefully. Having two regimes with different age years might actually be a good thing! But the problem is at the first hurdle (whatever the date range): many potentially good players are lost to the game for good once they to not make that first travel team at 9 or 10. And yes: I don't believe forming a MNT at U14 has any value whatsoever except for creating a group of U14 National parents. This last comment is probably the most accurate in this entire thread.
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#443498 - 08/10/11 01:52 AM
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And yes: I don't believe forming a MNT at U14 has any value whatsoever except for creating a group of U14 National parents.
This last comment is probably the most accurate in this entire thread. Note that our new MNT coach is a U14 BNT parent - or rather, his son was at the national camp for 1997 players, anyway. Somehow managed to get there without going through the normal channels.
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#443504 - 08/10/11 07:41 AM
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And yes: I don't believe forming a MNT at U14 has any value whatsoever except for creating a group of U14 National parents.
This last comment is probably the most accurate in this entire thread. Note that our new MNT coach is a U14 BNT parent - or rather, his son was at the national camp for 1997 players, anyway. Somehow managed to get there without going through the normal channels. How is this different from any coach's son on any team. Look at Bob Bradley's son. This is the politics of soccer. Go down the line. High profile parents who played soccer with soccer playing kids get their pushed up the line with or without the talent that others are measured by.It is a closed small network with social promotion. The national camp recommendations are usually made by former players who evaluate kids. Mainly they evaluate each others kids and their own kids and their kids friends. I would venture to say that almost all well known soccer playing parents who have kids playing soccer will have their kids seen at a national camp. No where is this more visible than at the academies.
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