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#466222 - 03/21/12 06:04 PM College Camps
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What are the best college camps for entering senior year? I have interest from schools, but I just am curious what most people think?

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#466235 - 03/21/12 09:56 PM Re: College Camps [Re: arsenalrules]
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What are the best college camps for entering senior year? I have interest from schools, but I just am curious what most people think?

Thanks
Dear arsenalrules : "College camps" is a topic that we have often discussed here on the BOTN College Forum.

Before we share some of the previous postings, let's cover our cardinal rule for camp selection : Attend a camp associated with your target college or coach if and only if that coach has already seen you play and expressed an interest in having you potentially join the roster.

Camps are relatively expensive vehicles for showcasing and your family should have some type of verbal agreement with the college coach as to your student-athlete's position on the depth chart particularly if you are having your child attend for recruitment purposes.

Now, for some additional postings on the subject here on the College Forum :

College Camps : Some Guidelines
Using Your Top Ten College List to Drive Camp Selection
Issues with College Camps as Showcase Events
Conversations Before Attending a College Camp

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#466241 - 03/21/12 10:33 PM Re: College Camps [Re: BoardLord]
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Originally Posted By: BoardLord
Originally Posted By: arsenalrules
What are the best college camps for entering senior year? I have interest from schools, but I just am curious what most people think?

Thanks
Dear arsenalrules : "College camps" is a topic that we have often discussed here on the BOTN College Forum.

Before we share some of the previous postings, let's cover our cardinal rule for camp selection : Attend a camp associated with your target college or coach if and only if that coach has already seen you play and expressed an interest in having you potentially join the roster.

Camps are relatively expensive vehicles for showcasing and your family should have some type of verbal agreement with the college coach as to your student-athlete's position on the depth chart particularly if you are having your child attend for recruitment purposes.

Now, for some additional postings on the subject here on the College Forum :

College Camps : Some Guidelines
Using Your Top Ten College List to Drive Camp Selection
Issues with College Camps as Showcase Events
Conversations Before Attending a College Camp


what about junior prospect clinics or 1 day clinics, do you recommend that there is a conversation with coaching staff prior to attending?

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#466245 - 03/21/12 11:14 PM Re: College Camps [Re: Anonymous]
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Ok, thanks for the info. What happens if a few coaches are definitely watching me play in the next few weeks; Should I delay as much as possible to signup for those camps to confirm interest or will I risk being sold out of the camp? Thanks Again

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#466285 - 03/22/12 12:49 PM Re: College Camps [Re: BoardLord]
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Great info on this site! What would you recommend for camps for between Freshman/Sophmore year? Is it worth going to get a "college like" experience? or is a waste of time and money? My daughter is a decent (not great but very good) player on a R1 Premier team. Several of her teammates are planning to go to camps this summer. She has great academics but not likely a top tier D1 soccer prospect. It is more likely a mid-level D1 or D3 team would be her soccer target school with top quartile academics. She has no idea on major, etc. yet but as freshman in HS, I wouldnt expect her to. She is my oldest so having never been through this, any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

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#466290 - 03/22/12 01:16 PM Re: College Camps [Re: Anonymous]
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what about junior prospect clinics or 1 day clinics, do you recommend that there is a conversation with coaching staff prior to attending?
If your purpose in attending a one-day clinic is for skills enhancement and that alone, attend as your student-athlete sees fit. However, if you are attending a junior-year clinic to be "seen", there are several flaws with this strategy.
  • First, how do you know that the coaches attending actually overlap with universities for which your student-athlete academically qualifies? As a junior year student, you should have PSAT/SAT and PLAN/ACT tests along with your GPA well understood at this point. Have you checked College Board for a potential academic match?
  • Second, have you chosen a camp (rather than just attending with friends) that targets the colleges from your "Top Ten" listing (a separate topic that we have oft discussed here on BOTN's College Forum). There is no reason to attend a camp frequented by coaches from schools in which your student-athlete has no interest.
  • Third, are your student-athlete's intended courses of study carried by a percentage of the schools represented at this camp? No reason to be seen by an engineering technical college if your intended major is romance languages.
Most importantly however is that if you are attending to be seen by a target school, wouldn't you naturally want to be on that coach's radar before the event takes place? Perhaps a chance to introduce the student-athlete in a non-pressured environment if for no other reason than to have a private moment to express an interest in and knowledge about the university and its programs?

In closing, even if your target school is listed to be present at the camp selected, sometimes, those coaches listed can be just helping to "market" the camp. If the coach "stops in" for 30 minutes over the course of one or two days, did that help your student-athlete?

Again, this is why it is always best to speak directly with the target coach prior to handing over your hard earned cash for a college camp.

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#466293 - 03/22/12 01:23 PM Re: College Camps [Re: arsenalrules]
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Ok, thanks for the info. What happens if a few coaches are definitely watching me play in the next few weeks; Should I delay as much as possible to signup for those camps to confirm interest or will I risk being sold out of the camp? Thanks Again
Life lesson here : if a paying prospective player in which the coach expresses an interest would be able to schedule his or her time to attend the coach's camp, do you believe that you would be locked out due to space? BOTN thinks that chance is highly unlikely - do not buy the marketing spin here from a college camp. Speak with the coach directly to get the square story.

If coaches have confirmed their willingness to see you play over the next several weeks, why not wait until you get initial indications of interest prior to signing up for camps?

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#466298 - 03/22/12 01:47 PM Re: College Camps [Re: Anonymous]
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Great info on this site!
Thank you.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
What would you recommend for camps for between Freshman/Sophmore year?
Since you indicate later in this discussion that your daughter has not chosen a potential college major, we can likely safely assume that you have not yet built a listing of your "Top Ten" Academic and Athletic choices. Without that map, you are flying blind in terms of choosing a camp for recruitment purposes.

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Is it worth going to get a "college like" experience? or is a waste of time and money?
Not to punt on this question, but "worth" is something that your family has to measure based on your budget and student-athlete's desires. BOTN would recommend that a freshman or sophomore year player focus on playing summer showcases with their premier level team to increase exposure and increase the chances of desired target coaches being able to see you play.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
My daughter is a decent (not great but very good) player on a R1 Premier team. Several of her teammates are planning to go to camps this summer.
Again, is the camp a social event (friends), a skills event (individual), or something that you have targeted for a recruitment and exposure need (future)? We would prefer seeing a freshman level team focus on some summer showcase events in an effort to laying that foundation for the sophomore/junior/senior year push that really starts at U/16.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
She has great academics but not likely a top tier D1 soccer prospect. It is more likely a mid-level D1 or D3 team would be her soccer target school with top quartile academics. She has no idea on major, etc. yet but as freshman in HS, I wouldnt expect her to. She is my oldest so having never been through this, any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Without having invested some time into researching potential schools, it is impossible to say anything about possible level. Certainly, Patriot League schools are academically excellent across the board (Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, American and others) however these are considered lower level Division I teams when it comes to soccer competitions. NESCAC Division III options are always superior academically with a range of competition levels.

In summary, some summer showcases should be the first priority with any camps being used to fill-in down time. That said, the showcases that you attend in the Spring 2012 season (and early Summer 2012) should be guiding your student-athlete in directions of interest.

Hope that this information helps.

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#466316 - 03/22/12 03:38 PM Re: College Camps [Re: BoardLord]
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Originally Posted By: BoardLord
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Great info on this site!
Thank you.
Your welcome

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
What would you recommend for camps for between Freshman/Sophmore year?
Since you indicate later in this discussion that your daughter has not chosen a potential college major, we can likely safely assume that you have not yet built a listing of your "Top Ten" Academic and Athletic choices. Without that map, you are flying blind in terms of choosing a camp for recruitment purposes.
You are correct. We haven't made a top 10 Academic and Athletic list yet but after reading all the threads here, I will definitely start that process with her. In your experience, does this list change a lot from freshman to senior years? I would think it would but probably is still good idea to have a "work in progress" list.
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Is it worth going to get a "college like" experience? or is a waste of time and money?
Not to punt on this question, but "worth" is something that your family has to measure based on your budget and student-athlete's desires. BOTN would recommend that a freshman or sophomore year player focus on playing summer showcases with their premier level team to increase exposure and increase the chances of desired target coaches being able to see you play.
When I said "worth", I was talking about if the camp experience is a realistic exposure to life on a college team or at least to what college coaches expect and emphasize. Do freshman players even interact with current players or the coaches at these camps? The costs seem to be a little higher than a typical camp but that is not my main consideration of worth.
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
My daughter is a decent (not great but very good) player on a R1 Premier team. Several of her teammates are planning to go to camps this summer.
Again, is the camp a social event (friends), a skills event (individual), or something that you have targeted for a recruitment and exposure need (future)? We would prefer seeing a freshman level team focus on some summer showcase events in an effort to laying that foundation for the sophomore/junior/senior year push that really starts at U/16.
Her team is scheduled to do several showcase tournaments this year. The camp would hopefully be a little social, a lot skills, and not necessarily recruitment exposure to a specific school but an introduction to what she can expect in the coming years. I was also hoping she could see a little of what life could be like on a college campus by living in a dorm for week and interacting with similar minded students/players.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
She has great academics but not likely a top tier D1 soccer prospect. It is more likely a mid-level D1 or D3 team would be her soccer target school with top quartile academics. She has no idea on major, etc. yet but as freshman in HS, I wouldnt expect her to. She is my oldest so having never been through this, any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Without having invested some time into researching potential schools, it is impossible to say anything about possible level. Certainly, Patriot League schools are academically excellent across the board (Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, American and others) however these are considered lower level Division I teams when it comes to soccer competitions. NESCAC Division III options are always superior academically with a range of competition levels.
I understand that there are various degrees of academic and athletic levels at both D1 and D3 schools. I think my point here was she is not a top 10 soccer school prospect and I dont expect her to get a full ride to Duke for example. She may not be an athletic scholarship at all. But academics are very important to us and if she can use her soccer skills to get into a better academic school, we would be happy with that. D1 D2 or D3.
In summary, some summer showcases should be the first priority with any camps being used to fill-in down time. That said, the showcases that you attend in the Spring 2012 season (and early Summer 2012) should be guiding your student-athlete in directions of interest.

Hope that this information helps.

This has helped a lot. I am still leaning towards filling in some down time with a camp or two. Do you have any suggestions of a fairly local camp, say a 3-4 hour drive away at most from NYC area which might make sense? I've read some camps have multiple colleges involved and am thinking that might be good also to give her exposure to several different coaches.

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#466332 - 03/22/12 07:03 PM Re: College Camps [Re: Anonymous]
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In your experience, does this list change a lot from freshman to senior years? I would think it would but probably is still good idea to have a "work in progress" list.
Your lists will likely have additions, but the key point is having the discipline to remove institutions that are truly no longer useful. We just looked back at our own girls roster from some time back and can tell you to expect about 75% turnover from freshman year to senior year. It is normal as tastes change ... and your young players mature. It is an adventure; would love to be given the chance to relive those years.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
When I said "worth", I was talking about if the camp experience is a realistic exposure to life on a college team or at least to what college coaches expect and emphasize. Do freshman players even interact with current players or the coaches at these camps? The costs seem to be a little higher than a typical camp but that is not my main consideration of worth.
In all the years we have done the College Forum, this is the first time we have been asked about candidate interaction with established team members. The truth is that these camps are largely summer time (June/July) affairs when the college players themselves are back home with their own families. Camps are largely (if we are being honest) revenue sources for assistant coaches to augment their annual income.


Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Her team is scheduled to do several showcase tournaments this year. The camp would hopefully be a little social, a lot skills, and not necessarily recruitment exposure to a specific school but an introduction to what she can expect in the coming years. I was also hoping she could see a little of what life could be like on a college campus by living in a dorm for week and interacting with similar minded students/players.
Experiencing dorm life is a very insightful vision of yours in preparing your daughter for a collegiate soccer career. Brilliant actually. The camp life over a couple of days will not completely give the same picture, but as a High School player, there is not a better opportunity (short of official visits) which can give a student-athlete the same experience.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
This has helped a lot. I am still leaning towards filling in some down time with a camp or two. Do you have any suggestions of a fairly local camp, say a 3-4 hour drive away at most from NYC area which might make sense? I've read some camps have multiple colleges involved and am thinking that might be good also to give her exposure to several different coaches.
To be honest, we typically will not recommend camps as a matter of keeping this information relatively free from bias. If you have specific camps that you would like to discuss, feel free to ask.

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