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#463731 - 03/02/12 01:45 PM Re: 2 months = next Messi [Re: CJ Orlando]
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[quote=Anonymous]The good thing about the academy is that you have committed players and parents who attend practices and games. They are some, not all, but some of the better players so that elevates practices and games.There are a good number of games and tournaments that allow the kids and parents to judge themselves as to where they are and develop. The college coaches are there mainly at games occasinally practices but not by the hundreds and it is mainly coahes from the area until you get to the 2 yearly showcases where there are coaches from all over. The coaches will watch a game for 20 to 30 min and are gone so you have to start to be identified. They don't stay all game.The national evaluators never tell the kids a thing. Who knows if they are there or not and for how long.The bad things about the academies are , The coaching stinks.The coaches are political animals and are often bought by the parents . The coaches are there not to develop the players but to win games. They do not care if the kids are recruited or not or developed and will say so. They want to look like winners so that the national evaluators will rate them highly and they can move up and maybe get a national coaching job. The politics on the academy are worse than any club team. Who gets picked to go to a national ID camp is sold to the highest bidder and at the whim of the coach even at the free academies.They are more expensive than any club team no matter how many tournaments you go to.Most of the academy kids that are recruited would have been recruited any way and the colleges that most go to well they could have gotten into without the academy status. Yes there are a few great schools that academy players get into but what you don't know is that many of the parents are alumni or benefactors of those schools. There are a handfull who make it with no pull but few. The club managers want their academy teams to follow all the rules in hopes of moving up into the higher echelons of management of the national teams and they can only do that if they force the kids to follow all the rules whether it makes the kids happy or not.It should not be a 10 month academy it should run all year long.Why would you give July and August off in the East. You should give off Jan and Feb.off if you want to give time off. The USSF interested in developing players should build indoor turf field at the academies then it can run all year long european style.As in most soccer it is never about the kids. There is a NY kid who dropped out of high school after the 9th grade played on no high school team, academy team state or regional team. He played for a local club and was seen by scout and sent to a pro team and will be there for the next 6 months


Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. You my friend are a fool.


No, my friend, the post is very accurate. It is you that are the fool.


My guess is that neither of you have kids on an Academy team.


Correct, I don't and he wouldn't.. We all know too many that are and are not happy. Don't try your bullsh*t approach with me, it will not fly!

The only way that academies would be worth playing is if your kid could get a million dollar contract to play in some foreign country. Not going to happen. The women's team has folded and the USSF is some 6.1 million in the red this year alone. What is the rainbow you're chasing? smile

The college coaches will come see any good player play, no matter where they play. Get your head out of the sand!


Then, why do you care? Unless you have experience first hand, it is all conjecture and gossip. I, for one, don't make decisions over gossip and tea.

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#463734 - 03/02/12 02:18 PM Re: 2 months = next Messi [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
The good thing about the academy is that you have committed players and parents who attend practices and games. They are some, not all, but some of the better players so that elevates practices and games.There are a good number of games and tournaments that allow the kids and parents to judge themselves as to where they are and develop. The college coaches are there mainly at games occasinally practices but not by the hundreds and it is mainly coahes from the area until you get to the 2 yearly showcases where there are coaches from all over. The coaches will watch a game for 20 to 30 min and are gone so you have to start to be identified. They don't stay all game.The national evaluators never tell the kids a thing. Who knows if they are there or not and for how long.The bad things about the academies are , The coaching stinks.The coaches are political animals and are often bought by the parents . The coaches are there not to develop the players but to win games. They do not care if the kids are recruited or not or developed and will say so. They want to look like winners so that the national evaluators will rate them highly and they can move up and maybe get a national coaching job. The politics on the academy are worse than any club team. Who gets picked to go to a national ID camp is sold to the highest bidder and at the whim of the coach even at the free academies.They are more expensive than any club team no matter how many tournaments you go to.Most of the academy kids that are recruited would have been recruited any way and the colleges that most go to well they could have gotten into without the academy status. Yes there are a few great schools that academy players get into but what you don't know is that many of the parents are alumni or benefactors of those schools. There are a handfull who make it with no pull but few. The club managers want their academy teams to follow all the rules in hopes of moving up into the higher echelons of management of the national teams and they can only do that if they force the kids to follow all the rules whether it makes the kids happy or not.It should not be a 10 month academy it should run all year long.Why would you give July and August off in the East. You should give off Jan and Feb.off if you want to give time off. The USSF interested in developing players should build indoor turf field at the academies then it can run all year long european style.As in most soccer it is never about the kids. There is a NY kid who dropped out of high school after the 9th grade played on no high school team, academy team state or regional team. He played for a local club and was seen by scout and sent to a pro team and will be there for the next 6 months


You are so far off it's unbelievable. The Academy clubs in NY might be somewhat tainted, but they're not the norm. The Academy is the future of ELITE YOUTH BOY'S SOCCER. Period, end of story, thanks for comin', adios!

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#463742 - 03/02/12 02:58 PM Re: 2 months = next Messi [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
The good thing about the academy is that you have committed players and parents who attend practices and games. They are some, not all, but some of the better players so that elevates practices and games.There are a good number of games and tournaments that allow the kids and parents to judge themselves as to where they are and develop. The college coaches are there mainly at games occasinally practices but not by the hundreds and it is mainly coahes from the area until you get to the 2 yearly showcases where there are coaches from all over. The coaches will watch a game for 20 to 30 min and are gone so you have to start to be identified. They don't stay all game.The national evaluators never tell the kids a thing. Who knows if they are there or not and for how long.The bad things about the academies are , The coaching stinks.The coaches are political animals and are often bought by the parents . The coaches are there not to develop the players but to win games. They do not care if the kids are recruited or not or developed and will say so. They want to look like winners so that the national evaluators will rate them highly and they can move up and maybe get a national coaching job. The politics on the academy are worse than any club team. Who gets picked to go to a national ID camp is sold to the highest bidder and at the whim of the coach even at the free academies.They are more expensive than any club team no matter how many tournaments you go to.Most of the academy kids that are recruited would have been recruited any way and the colleges that most go to well they could have gotten into without the academy status. Yes there are a few great schools that academy players get into but what you don't know is that many of the parents are alumni or benefactors of those schools. There are a handfull who make it with no pull but few. The club managers want their academy teams to follow all the rules in hopes of moving up into the higher echelons of management of the national teams and they can only do that if they force the kids to follow all the rules whether it makes the kids happy or not.It should not be a 10 month academy it should run all year long.Why would you give July and August off in the East. You should give off Jan and Feb.off if you want to give time off. The USSF interested in developing players should build indoor turf field at the academies then it can run all year long european style.As in most soccer it is never about the kids. There is a NY kid who dropped out of high school after the 9th grade played on no high school team, academy team state or regional team. He played for a local club and was seen by scout and sent to a pro team and will be there for the next 6 months


You are so far off it's unbelievable. The Academy clubs in NY might be somewhat tainted, but they're not the norm. The Academy is the future of ELITE YOUTH BOY'S SOCCER. Period, end of story, thanks for comin', adios!


Isn't that what we said about SUPER Y?

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#463748 - 03/02/12 03:44 PM Re: 2 months = next Messi [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
The good thing about the academy is that you have committed players and parents who attend practices and games. They are some, not all, but some of the better players so that elevates practices and games.There are a good number of games and tournaments that allow the kids and parents to judge themselves as to where they are and develop. The college coaches are there mainly at games occasinally practices but not by the hundreds and it is mainly coahes from the area until you get to the 2 yearly showcases where there are coaches from all over. The coaches will watch a game for 20 to 30 min and are gone so you have to start to be identified. They don't stay all game.The national evaluators never tell the kids a thing. Who knows if they are there or not and for how long.The bad things about the academies are , The coaching stinks.The coaches are political animals and are often bought by the parents . The coaches are there not to develop the players but to win games. They do not care if the kids are recruited or not or developed and will say so. They want to look like winners so that the national evaluators will rate them highly and they can move up and maybe get a national coaching job. The politics on the academy are worse than any club team. Who gets picked to go to a national ID camp is sold to the highest bidder and at the whim of the coach even at the free academies.They are more expensive than any club team no matter how many tournaments you go to.Most of the academy kids that are recruited would have been recruited any way and the colleges that most go to well they could have gotten into without the academy status. Yes there are a few great schools that academy players get into but what you don't know is that many of the parents are alumni or benefactors of those schools. There are a handfull who make it with no pull but few. The club managers want their academy teams to follow all the rules in hopes of moving up into the higher echelons of management of the national teams and they can only do that if they force the kids to follow all the rules whether it makes the kids happy or not.It should not be a 10 month academy it should run all year long.Why would you give July and August off in the East. You should give off Jan and Feb.off if you want to give time off. The USSF interested in developing players should build indoor turf field at the academies then it can run all year long european style.As in most soccer it is never about the kids. There is a NY kid who dropped out of high school after the 9th grade played on no high school team, academy team state or regional team. He played for a local club and was seen by scout and sent to a pro team and will be there for the next 6 months


You are so far off it's unbelievable. The Academy clubs in NY might be somewhat tainted, but they're not the norm. The Academy is the future of ELITE YOUTH BOY'S SOCCER. Period, end of story, thanks for comin', adios!


This may be true in 5 or 10 years but right now, the kids playing are the guinea pigs in the ironing out process. There is much to fix before it works properly. It is all a pipe dream at this point.

Hey, if it makes you feel secure and happy... stay there and be happy. Just stop telling everyone that doesn't want to be a guinea pig that it is the "only" way to go and that the be all and end all is academy. Stop treating people like they are idiots. We get it.. we do.. You believe the hype, we don't!

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#463756 - 03/02/12 04:48 PM Re: 2 months = next Messi [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous

The Academy clubs in NY might be somewhat tainted, but they're not the norm. The Academy is the future of ELITE YOUTH BOY'S SOCCER. Period, end of story, thanks for comin', adios!


Then we are never going to win the world cup.

I was very troubled to set that ID-2 beat Barcelona's 14s 3-1. Almost all the Id2 team where from DA clubs

Conclusion : PDA (who staff ID2) is better than Barcelona at identifying and coaching u14 Boys and/or our boys are just that much better. NOT!!

I would bet that Barca know what they are about identifying and developing youth players for the long term. If we beat them it was because we picked the wrong kids. (This point is a tad subtle and may go over the heads of some here.)

We beat them on athleticism, (an ephemeral advantage at 14) rather than flair, creativity or technique, We are identifying athletes at 14 while kids with flair and creativity, but not as developed yet, are left out.

Come back at 16 and more less the same Barca kids will play our boys of the park, with vision, game understanding and creativity.

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#463757 - 03/02/12 04:55 PM Re: 2 months = next Messi [Re: Anonymous]
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I have had 2 sons go thru the academy system and hate it Both are playing at D1 colleges mainly academic money and a small amount of soccer money,not top10 D1 schools of my dreams either. Both thought it was a waste now in hindsight. Third son did camps and showcases and the results are the same D1 school.Would not ever do the academy with last child. Went through the academy system from when it started until last year and can honestly say, save your money. Tell your kids to study.

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#463766 - 03/02/12 06:10 PM Re: 2 months = next Messi [Re: Anonymous]
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I have had 2 sons go thru the academy system and hate it Both are playing at D1 colleges mainly academic money and a small amount of soccer money,not top10 D1 schools of my dreams either. Both thought it was a waste now in hindsight. Third son did camps and showcases and the results are the same D1 school.Would not ever do the academy with last child. Went through the academy system from when it started until last year and can honestly say, save your money. Tell your kids to study.


Thank you for posting this as it is insightful. Part of the fundamental problem that most people ignore is the mission of the USDA. The mission is to indentify kids for National Team and professional soccer opportunities. That is the mission....not my opinion but the stated mission. With that in mind, development for college is not the goal. College rosters were populated with Premier / Club players long before developmental academies came along. Parents with the passive support of club directors have allowed the impression that "DA is the path to college" flourish. Many many kids end up in the same spot that would have ended up without an academy. Other than providing an opportunitity for a few players per state to attend national camp, the academies offer no tangible benefit to players. You have been through it. I have been watching how that program has unfolded since it was a white paper concept. Flawed in the beginning and flawed now. My son is an underclassman and he has firm offers an ACC school, a Big Ten School and help with admission from an Ivy. He has only played high school and premier......DA ask him to join all the time but we don't see the point. We know kids that are at academies right now that have been cut from more than one club. Many people know that.

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#463767 - 03/02/12 06:15 PM Re: 2 months = next Messi [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
I have had 2 sons go thru the academy system and hate it Both are playing at D1 colleges mainly academic money and a small amount of soccer money,not top10 D1 schools of my dreams either. Both thought it was a waste now in hindsight. Third son did camps and showcases and the results are the same D1 school.Would not ever do the academy with last child. Went through the academy system from when it started until last year and can honestly say, save your money. Tell your kids to study.


Do you have a bridge in Brooklyn that I can buy? Next time, try posing as a Nigerian Prince with an oil contract.

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#463771 - 03/02/12 07:09 PM Re: 2 months = next Messi [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous

The Academy clubs in NY might be somewhat tainted, but they're not the norm. The Academy is the future of ELITE YOUTH BOY'S SOCCER. Period, end of story, thanks for comin', adios!


Then we are never going to win the world cup.

I was very troubled to set that ID-2 beat Barcelona's 14s 3-1. Almost all the Id2 team where from DA clubs

Conclusion : PDA (who staff ID2) is better than Barcelona at identifying and coaching u14 Boys and/or our boys are just that much better. NOT!!

I would bet that Barca know what they are about identifying and developing youth players for the long term. If we beat them it was because we picked the wrong kids. (This point is a tad subtle and may go over the heads of some here.)

We beat them on athleticism, (an ephemeral advantage at 14) rather than flair, creativity or technique, We are identifying athletes at 14 while kids with flair and creativity, but not as developed yet, are left out.

Come back at 16 and more less the same Barca kids will play our boys of the park, with vision, game understanding and creativity.


And you think barca's 14's were really 14's? They were probably 12's and 13's.

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#463776 - 03/02/12 08:59 PM Re: 2 months = next Messi [Re: Falcon]
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Originally Posted By: Falcon
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
I have had 2 sons go thru the academy system and hate it Both are playing at D1 colleges mainly academic money and a small amount of soccer money,not top10 D1 schools of my dreams either. Both thought it was a waste now in hindsight. Third son did camps and showcases and the results are the same D1 school.Would not ever do the academy with last child. Went through the academy system from when it started until last year and can honestly say, save your money. Tell your kids to study.


Thank you for posting this as it is insightful. Part of the fundamental problem that most people ignore is the mission of the USDA. The mission is to indentify kids for National Team and professional soccer opportunities. That is the mission....not my opinion but the stated mission. With that in mind, development for college is not the goal. College rosters were populated with Premier / Club players long before developmental academies came along. Parents with the passive support of club directors have allowed the impression that "DA is the path to college" flourish. Many many kids end up in the same spot that would have ended up without an academy. Other than providing an opportunitity for a few players per state to attend national camp, the academies offer no tangible benefit to players. You have been through it. I have been watching how that program has unfolded since it was a white paper concept. Flawed in the beginning and flawed now. My son is an underclassman and he has firm offers an ACC school, a Big Ten School and help with admission from an Ivy. He has only played high school and premier......DA ask him to join all the time but we don't see the point. We know kids that are at academies right now that have been cut from more than one club. Many people know that.


While it may not be its exact mission, facts are facts. 90 percent of D1 recruits come from Academy clubs. Just go to any of the recruiting sites or the college's own websites and you will see this for yourself.

Keep telling yourself that the coaches are going to premier club games.

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