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#461318 - 02/05/12 05:15 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: LIRef77
Your claim that 75% of the referees are too old is flawed and incorrect. Many new referees have been trained in the last 4 years that I know of. Even if you attended games for the last 10 years at most you would have seen 100-200 games. You have not seen half of the referees that are out there. Many young referees don't want to deal with the adults and would rather be ARs. If you think we're too old and unfit, by all means sign up for the next class! Looks easy but it's not.


Don't be sensitive. In all sports there are poor referees. Good referees go unnoticed and the game flows well. I agree 75% is out of line. In the past few seasons we have about 2 of the 9 games that the referee is a problem, most of the time just a poor attitude, interacts with players, parents and coaches, too much desire to let everyone know he is the referee. They just smother the game and honestly the game could have been played better without them.


Sensitive? Referees are not allowed to be sensitive with all they have to deal with on the pitch. I'm glad you guys don't do political polling because your math makes no sense. Both guys agree that 75% of all referees are bad yet you have no proof. For you to knw would mean that you would have seen a representative sample, which you did not, and would be able to make a definitive result. Unfortunately you are biased and cannot be objective about it. Are there bad referees out there? Yes. Is it 75%? I don't agree. Then the last poster proves my point by repeating that percentage to then say that in the past few seasons, you say that 2 out of 9 referees were a problem. Your own observation makes your math suspect. If we go by your latest observation, then 22% of the referees are doing a bad job which means 78% are doing a GOOD job. You guys love to just throw numbers out there that are meaningless and make no sense. Your point is to lambast the majority of referees and until you come up with a scientific survey with a representative sample (remember statistics in college?) your numbers are wrong. From a statistical standpoint even if you felt that ALL of the referees that you saw were bad, you may not have seen enough of a representative sample to make an accurate "guess". The other problem with the numbers that you cite is that as a spectator or coach you have a bias and are not qualified to make a judgement. Most critics in this category rate the referee based on wins and loses.


I said I agreed 75% was out of line, then went on to say I think its more like 2 of 9 or 22%.

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#461343 - 02/06/12 10:16 AM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Larry Miller]
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Larry, when the LI cup brackets are going to be ready?

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#461346 - 02/06/12 10:21 AM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Larry, when the LI cup brackets are going to be ready?


They are ready, but not released. Why? It's the LIJSL. Do they need a reason? It is this non-communication on their part which one of many reasons why the league is in decline and teams and clubs are grabbing at every non-LIJSL program they can get into. The Executive Bunch doesn't get it.

Look for some very candid and sharply worded Opinion Pieces in the coming weeks from BOTN with regards to the LIJSL.

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#461376 - 02/06/12 02:38 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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I just wanted to throw my two cents in. I'm a 5 sport High School Official, i'm not perfect, I don't make all the right calls. It's human nature, we make mistakes! As I tell the players in my pre-game meeting, you won't make all your shots, your coach won't call all the right plays, and I won't make all the right calls! But I promise I won't yell at you when you make a mistake! As an official you have to make a call a split second after the play occured. We don't have time to think about it, review it. I try and not be friendly with parents because it could give the other team the impression that I favor that team. So we have a job to do, WE DON'T CARE WHO WINS OR LOSES!!! We just want a good, clean, close game! As I told another official the other night doing a girls basketball game, this player made a basket, she probably doesn't score a lot because she had the biggest smile on her face, she looked into the stands to see her parents jumping for joy! I told that official I wish I could have taken that picture and show all the parents before each game, that this is what it's all about, your children! Your children having a great time, smiling and playing. Compared to other countries in which they rather teach violence!

So in closing please respect officials, because it's not an easy job, we are not perfect! We don't go into your work place and tell you your paper clips are not in the right spot, your pencils are sharpened the right way, your just standing around doing nothing!

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#461379 - 02/06/12 03:04 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Well said!

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#461380 - 02/06/12 03:09 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
I just wanted to throw my two cents in. I'm a 5 sport High School Official, i'm not perfect, I don't make all the right calls. It's human nature, we make mistakes! As I tell the players in my pre-game meeting, you won't make all your shots, your coach won't call all the right plays, and I won't make all the right calls! But I promise I won't yell at you when you make a mistake! As an official you have to make a call a split second after the play occured. We don't have time to think about it, review it. I try and not be friendly with parents because it could give the other team the impression that I favor that team. So we have a job to do, WE DON'T CARE WHO WINS OR LOSES!!! We just want a good, clean, close game! As I told another official the other night doing a girls basketball game, this player made a basket, she probably doesn't score a lot because she had the biggest smile on her face, she looked into the stands to see her parents jumping for joy! I told that official I wish I could have taken that picture and show all the parents before each game, that this is what it's all about, your children! Your children having a great time, smiling and playing. Compared to other countries in which they rather teach violence!

So in closing please respect officials, because it's not an easy job, we are not perfect! We don't go into your work place and tell you your paper clips are not in the right spot, your pencils are sharpened the right way, your just standing around doing nothing!


I agree with you.

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#461398 - 02/06/12 06:08 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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[quote=Anonymous]I just wanted to throw my two cents in. I'm a 5 sport High School Official, i'm not perfect, I don't make all the right calls. It's human nature, we make mistakes! As I tell the players in my pre-game meeting, you won't make all your shots, your coach won't call all the right plays, and I won't make all the right calls! But I promise I won't yell at you when you make a mistake! As an official you have to make a call a split second after the play occured. We don't have time to think about it, review it. I try and not be friendly with parents because it could give the other team the impression that I favor that team. So we have a job to do, WE DON'T CARE WHO WINS OR LOSES!!! We just want a good, clean, close game! As I told another official the other night doing a girls basketball game, this player made a basket, she probably doesn't score a lot because she had the biggest smile on her face, she looked into the stands to see her parents jumping for joy! I told that official I wish I could have taken that picture and show all the parents before each game, that this is what it's all about, your children! Your children having a great time, smiling and playing. Compared to other countries in which they rather teach violence!

So in closing please respect officials, because it's not an easy job, we are not perfect! We don't go into your work place and tell you your paper clips are not in the right spot, your pencils are sharpened the right way, your just standing around doing nothing! [/quote

I agree with everything you said,except where you said you want 'good, clean CLOSE games".Good and clean would have sufficed.I'm sure you don't but some refs seem to think it's part of their job to keep the games. close

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#461417 - 02/06/12 09:37 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
I just wanted to throw my two cents in. I'm a 5 sport High School Official, i'm not perfect, I don't make all the right calls. It's human nature, we make mistakes! As I tell the players in my pre-game meeting, you won't make all your shots, your coach won't call all the right plays, and I won't make all the right calls! But I promise I won't yell at you when you make a mistake! As an official you have to make a call a split second after the play occured. We don't have time to think about it, review it. I try and not be friendly with parents because it could give the other team the impression that I favor that team. So we have a job to do, WE DON'T CARE WHO WINS OR LOSES!!! We just want a good, clean, close game! As I told another official the other night doing a girls basketball game, this player made a basket, she probably doesn't score a lot because she had the biggest smile on her face, she looked into the stands to see her parents jumping for joy! I told that official I wish I could have taken that picture and show all the parents before each game, that this is what it's all about, your children! Your children having a great time, smiling and playing. Compared to other countries in which they rather teach violence!

So in closing please respect officials, because it's not an easy job, we are not perfect! We don't go into your work place and tell you your paper clips are not in the right spot, your pencils are sharpened the right way, your just standing around doing nothing!


If all officials had your attitude we would have less problems, but some of the officials are as bad as some of the parents and coaches. And just like those parents and coaches, they don't think they are the problem.

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#461418 - 02/06/12 09:38 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
I just wanted to throw my two cents in. I'm a 5 sport High School Official, i'm not perfect, I don't make all the right calls. It's human nature, we make mistakes! As I tell the players in my pre-game meeting, you won't make all your shots, your coach won't call all the right plays, and I won't make all the right calls! But I promise I won't yell at you when you make a mistake! As an official you have to make a call a split second after the play occured. We don't have time to think about it, review it. I try and not be friendly with parents because it could give the other team the impression that I favor that team. So we have a job to do, WE DON'T CARE WHO WINS OR LOSES!!! We just want a good, clean, close game! As I told another official the other night doing a girls basketball game, this player made a basket, she probably doesn't score a lot because she had the biggest smile on her face, she looked into the stands to see her parents jumping for joy! I told that official I wish I could have taken that picture and show all the parents before each game, that this is what it's all about, your children! Your children having a great time, smiling and playing. Compared to other countries in which they rather teach violence!

So in closing please respect officials, because it's not an easy job, we are not perfect! We don't go into your work place and tell you your paper clips are not in the right spot, your pencils are sharpened the right way, your just standing around doing nothing!


I'm glad you are not a surgeon. Just me, but I don't think telling everyone before you start that they should expect incorrect calls to be made is a great pre-game talk!

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#461421 - 02/06/12 09:56 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Yes when its 8-0 and you are still going for the kill I think good refs will help the helpless just to stick it to some of those morons who coach

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