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#476854 - 05/21/12 06:56 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Who really cares. It is so subjective it cannot be taken seriously. Some of the referees have poor sportsmanship. I hope everyone is filling out their referee evaluations. I cannot believe the different levels of officiating I have seen this year so far


So knowing what you are doing out there is what you define as Sportsmanship? If that's the case. most of these youger teams should get no points as they are still just learning the game!


What?

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#476856 - 05/21/12 07:01 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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The referees have poor sportmanship?? The referee is there to call the game not to be a sporting fellow. If you have a problem with how the game is being called then step up and become a referee. To accuse the referee of poor sportmanship is just silly. Just because you don't like the calls doesn't meen he's displaying poor sportmanship. He is not a competitor. But it look real easy from the touchline. It's not. Referees make mistakes just like Coaches and players. Referees put up with an unbelievable amount of nonsense and inappropriate behavior. Referee assaults have increased dramatically this season. No referee deserves to be touched for calling a less than perfect youth game. This thread is about Sportmanship, not referees. Poor officiating is never an excuse for behaving inappropriately.


Who said this had anything to do with not liking how the game is called. Making mistakes is expected and has nothing to do with sportsmanship. I'm talking about the refs that communicate poorly, have an attitude if spoken to and bully young players and/or their own AR's, which I have seen.

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#476858 - 05/21/12 07:05 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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If the coach who is red carded is the only coach on the sidelines, then the team must take a forfeit. Another parent CANNOT assume duties as coach unless they are a card carrying coach and/or trainer.


And only if they check in before the coach is ejected.

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#476859 - 05/21/12 07:08 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Yes some referees are good some are not so good. Has the crop been worse this year, maybe. The referees deserve respect, you may not like the calls but respect the position. I have seen referees yelled at and cursed at by players, coaches and parents. If they want to be respected, give red cards out, show you are in charge. I have never seen a ref touched, but that should be an automatic red card. Show you are in charge.


Must be a lot of refs on this forum. Refs always get my respect as I am one in other sports and at higher levels. Drives me crazy when a ref shows up and is arrogant to players and coaches thinking that proves he is in charge.

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#476940 - 05/22/12 09:04 AM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
There are a lot of bugs in the leagues system. I spoke to the ref at my game last weekend and he says a lot can't even log in or get kicked out once they do get into the system. Sounds like it is more about the league having a poor system then the referees doing what they are supposed to do.


Service Unavailable

HTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable.


Well it's been 2 days now. While the home page will load, the "coaches enter scores" link returns the following message...

Content Not Found Looking for something?

We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a working page on our site.
Please try our Search option to find the product.


and you guessed it, the search function doesn't work either. what a joke.

You wonder why sportsmanship scores aren't up to date?

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#476986 - 05/22/12 11:36 AM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
The referees have poor sportmanship?? The referee is there to call the game not to be a sporting fellow. If you have a problem with how the game is being called then step up and become a referee. To accuse the referee of poor sportmanship is just silly. Just because you don't like the calls doesn't meen he's displaying poor sportmanship. He is not a competitor. But it look real easy from the touchline. It's not. Referees make mistakes just like Coaches and players. Referees put up with an unbelievable amount of nonsense and inappropriate behavior. Referee assaults have increased dramatically this season. No referee deserves to be touched for calling a less than perfect youth game. This thread is about Sportmanship, not referees. Poor officiating is never an excuse for behaving inappropriately.


Well, most of the refs I have gotten have been ladies or gentlemen, offering a smile and a handshake before the game and speaking to the players and their AR’s with respect, even some humor. There will always be a few that do not, but that is what the evals are for – to point them out.

But a ref needs to only communicate with a hand signal or the whistle and nothing more. If you expect a description or discussion every time you don’t know what happened, you need to realize you are not entitled to one. All the ref has to do is point direction and that will tell you what kind of kick it is or who has the throw. When a coach starts to yell at a ref for an explanation of a call, that’s when you may get that attitude because you don’t know you are not supposed to get one.

Who said this had anything to do with not liking how the game is called. Making mistakes is expected and has nothing to do with sportsmanship. I'm talking about the refs that communicate poorly, have an attitude if spoken to and bully young players and/or their own AR's, which I have seen.

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#476993 - 05/22/12 12:06 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
The referees have poor sportmanship?? The referee is there to call the game not to be a sporting fellow. If you have a problem with how the game is being called then step up and become a referee. To accuse the referee of poor sportmanship is just silly. Just because you don't like the calls doesn't meen he's displaying poor sportmanship. He is not a competitor. But it look real easy from the touchline. It's not. Referees make mistakes just like Coaches and players. Referees put up with an unbelievable amount of nonsense and inappropriate behavior. Referee assaults have increased dramatically this season. No referee deserves to be touched for calling a less than perfect youth game. This thread is about Sportmanship, not referees. Poor officiating is never an excuse for behaving inappropriately.


Well, most of the refs I have gotten have been ladies or gentlemen, offering a smile and a handshake before the game and speaking to the players and their AR’s with respect, even some humor. There will always be a few that do not, but that is what the evals are for – to point them out.

But a ref needs to only communicate with a hand signal or the whistle and nothing more. If you expect a description or discussion every time you don’t know what happened, you need to realize you are not entitled to one. All the ref has to do is point direction and that will tell you what kind of kick it is or who has the throw. When a coach starts to yell at a ref for an explanation of a call, that’s when you may get that attitude because you don’t know you are not supposed to get one.

Who said this had anything to do with not liking how the game is called. Making mistakes is expected and has nothing to do with sportsmanship. I'm talking about the refs that communicate poorly, have an attitude if spoken to and bully young players and/or their own AR's, which I have seen.




At younger age groups I think it should be more than a whistle and pointing a hand, especially when there is apparent confusion.

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#477031 - 05/22/12 01:16 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
The referees have poor sportmanship?? The referee is there to call the game not to be a sporting fellow. If you have a problem with how the game is being called then step up and become a referee. To accuse the referee of poor sportmanship is just silly. Just because you don't like the calls doesn't meen he's displaying poor sportmanship. He is not a competitor. But it look real easy from the touchline. It's not. Referees make mistakes just like Coaches and players. Referees put up with an unbelievable amount of nonsense and inappropriate behavior. Referee assaults have increased dramatically this season. No referee deserves to be touched for calling a less than perfect youth game. This thread is about Sportmanship, not referees. Poor officiating is never an excuse for behaving inappropriately.


Well, most of the refs I have gotten have been ladies or gentlemen, offering a smile and a handshake before the game and speaking to the players and their AR’s with respect, even some humor. There will always be a few that do not, but that is what the evals are for – to point them out.

But a ref needs to only communicate with a hand signal or the whistle and nothing more. If you expect a description or discussion every time you don’t know what happened, you need to realize you are not entitled to one. All the ref has to do is point direction and that will tell you what kind of kick it is or who has the throw. When a coach starts to yell at a ref for an explanation of a call, that’s when you may get that attitude because you don’t know you are not supposed to get one.

Who said this had anything to do with not liking how the game is called. Making mistakes is expected and has nothing to do with sportsmanship. I'm talking about the refs that communicate poorly, have an attitude if spoken to and bully young players and/or their own AR's, which I have seen.




At younger age groups I think it should be more than a whistle and pointing a hand, especially when there is apparent confusion.


Don’t agree. If a ref points towards your goal after a whistle with their hand level to the ground, that’s a direct kick for the other team and you are on defense. If the hand points towards your goal first and then the ref raises it up over their head, then that’s a indirect kick for the other team. It really doesn’t matter if the foul was a trip or a kick, a push or a hold, its still a direct kick. There is no need for any explanation. Refs point to the corner for a corner kick, the goal for a goal kick, and point direction for a throw in. That’s why they use the signals.

But I do know refs will talk to the players real fast, while we at the sidelines don’t even see it, telling them what they did. “You tripped him” or “that was a push” is all the players need. If the game stopped every time for an explanation of what the call was soccer games would become as long as baseball games!

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#477095 - 05/22/12 04:57 PM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
The referees have poor sportmanship?? The referee is there to call the game not to be a sporting fellow. If you have a problem with how the game is being called then step up and become a referee. To accuse the referee of poor sportmanship is just silly. Just because you don't like the calls doesn't meen he's displaying poor sportmanship. He is not a competitor. But it look real easy from the touchline. It's not. Referees make mistakes just like Coaches and players. Referees put up with an unbelievable amount of nonsense and inappropriate behavior. Referee assaults have increased dramatically this season. No referee deserves to be touched for calling a less than perfect youth game. This thread is about Sportmanship, not referees. Poor officiating is never an excuse for behaving inappropriately.


Well, most of the refs I have gotten have been ladies or gentlemen, offering a smile and a handshake before the game and speaking to the players and their AR’s with respect, even some humor. There will always be a few that do not, but that is what the evals are for – to point them out.

But a ref needs to only communicate with a hand signal or the whistle and nothing more. If you expect a description or discussion every time you don’t know what happened, you need to realize you are not entitled to one. All the ref has to do is point direction and that will tell you what kind of kick it is or who has the throw. When a coach starts to yell at a ref for an explanation of a call, that’s when you may get that attitude because you don’t know you are not supposed to get one.

Who said this had anything to do with not liking how the game is called. Making mistakes is expected and has nothing to do with sportsmanship. I'm talking about the refs that communicate poorly, have an attitude if spoken to and bully young players and/or their own AR's, which I have seen.




At younger age groups I think it should be more than a whistle and pointing a hand, especially when there is apparent confusion.


Don’t agree. If a ref points towards your goal after a whistle with their hand level to the ground, that’s a direct kick for the other team and you are on defense. If the hand points towards your goal first and then the ref raises it up over their head, then that’s a indirect kick for the other team. It really doesn’t matter if the foul was a trip or a kick, a push or a hold, its still a direct kick. There is no need for any explanation. Refs point to the corner for a corner kick, the goal for a goal kick, and point direction for a throw in. That’s why they use the signals.

But I do know refs will talk to the players real fast, while we at the sidelines don’t even see it, telling them what they did. “You tripped him” or “that was a push” is all the players need. If the game stopped every time for an explanation of what the call was soccer games would become as long as baseball games!


I guess because all 10 year olds know all the signals. I've seen games where a ref calls a foul, the kids are confused on what was called, the wrong team takes the free kick and he shrugs his shoulders and let's them play on.

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#477157 - 05/23/12 07:02 AM Re: LIJSL Fall Sportsmanship Standings [Re: Anonymous]
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Actually when it comes to the younger players we do help them learn and understand the game. If it's on a small sided field you use signals and verbalize what the rstart is. If it's an illegal throw-in we are encouraged to let them try it again. If anything referees are more in tune with young players than many parents and coaches are since they may not yet fully understand the game. You would be amazed how fast young players learn the game. MOST players know and understand when you call a foul against them. I know with young players I will use the hand signal and simultaneously call it out loud as in "that's a goal kick" or point to the corner while saying out loud "corner kick". After that happens a few times in a game they get it and I no longer need to verbalize what the restart is. Referees always have to take in to account the age of the players in a match and call the game accordingly. Parents and Coaches underestimate the soccer intelligence of even the youngest players out there. Most are fast learners.

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