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#424277 - 02/05/11 02:50 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: Anonymous]
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should the student make a "phone call" or email? I have heard that it is very difficult to get a coach on the phone.
The student should in almost every situation be the one to make the phone call or send the e-mail (as opposed to the parent). The parent and/or coach role should be to review any material ahead of time to make sure that it is accurate, clear, and well-written.

Yes, it can be difficult to get a coach on a direct connection in many cases. Keep trying and always follow-up a phone call with an e-mail message. Be sure to have a wide net of communications cast.

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#424300 - 02/06/11 08:26 AM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: BoardLord]
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Depending on the prospects "paper" qualifications and school of choice, a coach or assistant will always return calls/emails.
IE:if player is 2.7 GPA, playing on d2 team, the Harvard coach may not return that inquiry.

Each propsect should have 3 "reach" schools, 3 "sweet spot" schools, and 3 "slam dunks"...at minimum.


Casting wide net is good advice

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#424336 - 02/06/11 03:47 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: BoardLord]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
should the student make a "phone call" or email? I have heard that it is very difficult to get a coach on the phone.
The student should in almost every situation be the one to make the phone call or send the e-mail (as opposed to the parent). The parent and/or coach role should be to review any material ahead of time to make sure that it is accurate, clear, and well-written.

Yes, it can be difficult to get a coach on a direct connection in many cases. Keep trying and always follow-up a phone call with an e-mail message. Be sure to have a wide net of communications cast.


Considering that some clubs consider 13 and 14 year olds "old enough not to have their parents involved" except for paying the $$$, of course the player should make the contacts. Nothing is worse than a parent "going to bat" for a 17 or 18 year old officially.

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#424337 - 02/06/11 03:50 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: Anonymous]
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Depending on the prospects "paper" qualifications and school of choice, a coach or assistant will always return calls/emails.
IE:if player is 2.7 GPA, playing on d2 team, the Harvard coach may not return that inquiry.

Each propsect should have 3 "reach" schools, 3 "sweet spot" schools, and 3 "slam dunks"...at minimum.


Casting wide net is good advice


A good link to info on Div. 1, Div. 2, and Div. 3 differences:

http://www.collegeconfidential.com/dean/archives/athletic-scholarship-for-div-3-athlete.htm

(it's about softball, but should hold for all other sports)

As for casting a wide net, it appears from this article that players have to be careful if a Div. 3 school is "promising" a starting spot and financial aid grants (instead of loans) because there are no official scholarships. Div. 1 and Div. 2 have to promise officially it seems, and can't pull the rug out from under players before school starts.

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#424338 - 02/06/11 03:54 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: Anonymous]
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Each propsect should have 3 "reach" schools, 3 "sweet spot" schools, and 3 "slam dunks"...at minimum. Casting wide net is good advice
When we started the College Forum in the 2008-2009 College, Coaches, and Recruitment thread, among the first ten posts was a discussion as to how to build college visit lists. That question from February 2009 is replayed below and will help provide more detail than the classic 3-3-3 model.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
when should I start looking at schools (visiting them, talking to representatives, etc...) and i have heard the player should contact the coaches of the schools he/she wants to go to, if this is true when should I start contacting the coaches?
The first step in visiting schools is your own family's preparations and deciding which schools to visit.

Start by constructing two lists : the first list is a purely academic list of schools that have your son/daughter's majors/interests. The list should contain about ten to twelve schools broken into three buckets : stretch schools (100-200 points above your current SAT scores), on-par schools (those that match your GPA or SAT/ACT scores), and safety schools (those which are an obvious acceptance where you would be in the top quartile of the student body). When you do this academic listing, think to yourself "suppose I could never play soccer again - where would I go?" (CollegeBoard.Com is a great resource for these types of searches.)

Now, construct a second list of the ten soccer programs that would interest your child. Be sure to consider all NCAA divisions as the commitment level will vary greatly. Construct this list without any notion of money/scholarships, but give thought to whether your son/daughter would be a bench-sitter or an active player. For some families, a Division III opportunity with a starting role is worth much more than a Division I limited action role until the junior year.

You will have at most 20 schools at this point. Now, figure our where the overlaps might are between the two lists. This overlap list might have between five and eight schools - which is your initial target market!


It is ideal if you already have these lists, but working on these before your junior year Winter Recess or Easter break is critical. Those are the High School vacation periods where you really need to start your campus tours. Try to visit campuses while student activity is active - you get a much better sense of the campus "vibe". Take the tours, eat a meal at the campus, and speak with students.

Importantly, start e-mailing the head coach and assistant coach at each school. Send a copy of your soccer profile along with your e-mail to the coaching staff. Express your interest in their schools and do not hesitate to show some enthusiasm. Fill out any on-line recruitment material. Schedule a visit with the coach to see the athletic facilities.


Whether developing a simple 3-3-3 list or following our more detailed approach, the results will mirror the amount of work put into the search and preparation. Good luck!

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#424389 - 02/07/11 12:06 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: BoardLord]
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Can you email the coach or fill out those college questionnaires for athletic recruit prospects if you are a sophomore and haven't taken the PSAT, SATs or ACTs yet? If a recruiting tournament is over the summer between 10th and 11th grade a student normally wouldn't have taken those yet but wouldn't they still want to contact a coach to tell them they were going to be at a particular tournament?

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#424407 - 02/07/11 02:35 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: macine15]
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Can you email the coach or fill out those college questionnaires for athletic recruit prospects if you are a sophomore and haven't taken the PSAT, SATs or ACTs yet?
If you are preparing for a showcase event, your son/daughter should absolutely e-mail the college coaches of the programs in which he/she has an interest. If your child has not taken any of the standardized tests as yet (expected from sophomore year students), include academic details covering your class schedule (honors classes, early AP courses) along with your average and class rank (approximately). This will help partially determine the academic fit from the coach's perspective.

Originally Posted By: macine15
If a recruiting tournament is over the summer between 10th and 11th grade a student normally wouldn't have taken those yet but wouldn't they still want to contact a coach to tell them they were going to be at a particular tournament?
As we stated, getting onto the coach's radar, particularly if your son/daughter has a sincere interest in the college or university, is to your family's benefit. The earlier you start the communication efforts over e-mail, the better your long term visibility will be.

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#424412 - 02/07/11 03:13 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: BoardLord]
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Remember though, coaches can't return emails other than the standard, hey we can't talk with you but...until your junior year. Many of the coaches we contacted emailed little thanks for your schedule we will be watching and some we got a form letter. It was the personal reponses that actually panned out to something later.

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#424430 - 02/07/11 05:18 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: Anonymous]
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Thank you for your feedback, this is very helpful.

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#424679 - 02/10/11 10:39 AM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: macine15]
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My daughter just called a d1 coach and the message said if you are a jr or sr he could not call you back.


Can a D1 coach call back a sophomore?

can they return emails to sophomores?

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#424687 - 02/10/11 11:53 AM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: Anonymous]
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My daughter just called a d1 coach and the message said if you are a jr or sr he could not call you back.
The details on contact rules are included in the NCAA Rules and Regulations thread here on the BOTN College Board, but we will answer your specific questions here in-line.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Can a D1 coach call back a sophomore?
Coaches may call you or your family members once in March and then again starting on or after July 1 following your junior year in high school. After July 1, a college coach is limited to one telephone call per week to you or your family. Unlimited calls are permitted during the five days immediately preceding your official visit by the college you will be visiting; on the day of a coach's off-campus contact with you by that coach; during the National Letter of Intent signing date in your sport through the two days after the signing date.

You or your parents may call a coach at your own expense as often as you wish. Coaches also may accept collect calls from you on or after July 1 after completion of your junior year. Please note that if you call a coach prior to the July 1 date and leave a message, the coach is not permitted to return your call until July 1.

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
can they return emails to sophomores?
College coaches can acknowledge having received an e-mail but cannot proactively engage in a recruiting discussion. More often than not, a college coach will completely steer clear of interactions with sophomores. They will however make note of the data that you send to them; if it is game details at a recruiting showcase, while you might not receive acknowledgement, often times the coach will be reading and acting on the information.

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#426122 - 03/02/11 02:11 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: BoardLord]
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Does anyone have any input on how some summer camps are like elite 300 or PPA? Looking for a camp for my HS rising jr son this summer to give him exposure to Div 3 to Div 1 coaches. Thanks.

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#426136 - 03/02/11 06:44 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: Anonymous]
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Does anyone have any input on how some summer camps are like elite 300 or PPA? Looking for a camp for my HS rising jr son this summer to give him exposure to Div 3 to Div 1 coaches. Thanks.
BOTN Industries does not recognize the two camps mentioned. That said, a rising junior (current sophomore) could have been seen during the Fall or Winter period by a couple of coaches. Has anyone as yet expressed interest?

We think you are asking the question "backwards". Instead of seeking a random camp where some random coaches from a variety of NCAA divisions will be present, why not start with a specific college listing of ten institutions that interest your son? Three where the your son's academics exceed the school's college board rankings, four where there are matches, and three which are stretch schools with requirements slightly beyond your son's academic standing.

Using that list, you can draft a letter to each individual coach expressing an interest in potentially being seen/scouted. You can then target your camp research to summer events where these coaches might be.

One caution to you, poster : BOTN Industries reminds you that summer college camps can be very expensive and, to be honest, they are big business and fund raisers for the attending or hosting coaches. We always recommend to attend a college camp only after some previous contact with the associated coach (via a showcase) or after the coach has extended an indication of interest in your player/son. Only then do you really know that the investment is "targeted" at the right audience.

Soccer generally does not offer a "combine" environment where coaches and players can come together in "pick up" games to allow for random matches to take place. Perhaps, this is an opportunity for the expanding showcase market?

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#427047 - 03/14/11 08:51 AM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: BoardLord]
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Originally Posted By: BoardLord
[quote=Anonymous]Does anyone have any input on how some summer camps are like elite 300 or PPA? Looking for a camp for my HS rising jr son this summer to give him exposure to Div 3 to Div 1 coaches. Thanks.
BOTN Industries does not recognize the two camps mentioned. That said, a rising junior (current sophomore) could have been seen during the Fall or Winter period by a couple of coaches. Has anyone as yet expressed interest?

We think you are asking the question "backwards". Instead of seeking a random camp where some random coaches from a variety of NCAA divisions will be present, why not start with a specific college listing of ten institutions that interest your son? Three where the your son's academics exceed the school's college board rankings, four where there are matches, and three which are stretch schools with requirements slightly beyond your son's academic standing.

Using that list, you can draft a letter to each individual coach expressing an interest in potentially being seen/scouted. You can then target your camp research to summer events where these coaches might be.

One caution to you, poster : BOTN Industries reminds you that summer college camps can be very expensive and, to be honest, they are big business and fund raisers for the attending or hosting coaches. We always recommend to attend a college camp only after some previous contact with the associated coach (via a showcase) or after the coach has extended an indication of interest in your player/son. Only then do you really know that the investment is "targeted" at the right audience.

Soccer generally does not offer a "combine" environment where coaches and players can come together in "pick up" games to allow for random matches to take place. Perhaps, this is an opportunity for the expanding showcase market?






How much of an impact does your current travel club and professional trainer have in getting your son a strong look if all the academics(90's) and talent are in place? I am not much for all the other ODP, camps etc...

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#427127 - 03/14/11 04:21 PM Re: College, Coaches, Recruitment : 2010-2011 [Re: Anonymous]
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How much of an impact does your current travel club and professional trainer have in getting your son a strong look if all the academics(90's) and talent are in place? I am not much for all the other ODP, camps etc...
Your travel club program will need to be attending showcase events at which your target college coaches will also be present. Therefore, the travel club (usually a premier club) will have a significant role in your player's placement.

One of the most often heard complaints from players on non-premier teams seeking to showcase is that said player cannot get into the big recruiting events - this is true.

High School teams are non-existant on the college recruitment front as the caliber of competition is seen as consistently too far below the speed, pace, and skill level needed for a collegiate evaluation.

Professional trainers typically have the least impact on placement when compared to either a head coach (campaigning a player) or the parents themselves in visiting the target schools. Trainers who are well connected into the collegiate ranks will present opportunities.

Academics and talent are both critical success factors, but you have to have your player in front of target college coaches in real game situations at a premier/showcase in order to secure a roster position.

ODP is not required to make any of this happen. Camps are only recommended by BOTN Industries when there is already demonstrated interest from the college coach in your player.

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