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#407909 - 07/27/10 10:43 AM Re: Collegiate Soccer Life : Experience After Commitment [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
regarding the playing in the south - 1 your welcome since my daughter is very concerned she will not be able be to do it.
While some level of self-doubt is normal, sending a child to a southern school who is not sure of their soccer abilities, leaving home town friends in early August to join the college preseason camp, and being a long way from family (assuming you are from New York) all combine for a rather dicey starting point. If your daughter has serious concerns about an ability to handle the situation, now is the time as a parent to step in and suggest that playing that far from home without the usual support structure might be beyond your daughter's emotional maturity at this time.
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I think she fears things like here where the coaches are like drill sergents - running the kids untill they drop.
College coaching is a JOB - for many, a full time JOB. College coaches are paid to get results and develop a university's name and sports program. To maintain their jobs, coaches typically need to generate wins. Therefore, having your daughter and family (your guidance) identify a coach who can balance the need to win with building a team environment is critical. Speak to current players and their families on your target team. More importantly, speak with players who LEFT the college team to see why they decided to depart from the program.
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
When are games in the south played?
The collegiate season is the same whether you are from the North or South.
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
When they go down ahead of the rest of the school for training do they train all day or in the am and pm? I know they practice for 2 hrs in the am and 2 hrs in the pm around class schedules and Iam sure the temps as well.
Expect that you will have to do some class scheduling around practice times; each school is different, but you can expect 4 hours per day from September onwards based on NCAA regulations (maximum). Again, do your research here and be sure that your family understands the parameters of your target program.
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Thanks for all the info
Thank you for contributing.

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#407951 - 07/27/10 04:33 PM Re: Collegiate Soccer Life : Experience After Commitment [Re: BoardLord]
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The information about practices above is wrong. The NCAA always has rules in place whether it is during season,preseason or off season. More than 2 soccer practices a day are in violation of the NCAA rules.

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#407956 - 07/27/10 05:19 PM Re: Collegiate Soccer Life : Experience After Commitment [Re: Anonymous]
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The information about practices above is wrong. The NCAA always has rules in place whether it is during season,preseason or off season. More than 2 soccer practices a day are in violation of the NCAA rules.
BOTN Industries removed the reference to August practice regulations as the information might have been confusing to some readers. Since you brought up the topic, the real regulations deal with the topic of "Countable Athletically Related Activities" which is defined by "NCAA Bylaw #17 - Playing and Practice Season, General Rules". In short, off-season (August) three-per-days are not prohibited by NCAA rules provided that an institution uses three "related activities" in a single day which many opt not to do.

BOTN Industries has copied only a subset of this rule which is dense, complex, and if you have ever seen a presentation on this topic, it would make your head spin.

Some excerpts follow.

17.02.11 Practice Units
In determining the first permissible preseason practice date, an institution shall count back from its first scheduled contest, one unit for each day beginning with the opening of classes, one unit for each day classes are not in session in the week of the first scheduled intercollegiate contest and two units for each other day in the preseason practice period, except that the institution shall not count any units during the preseason when all institutional dormitories are closed, the institution's team must leave campus, and practice is not conducted. (Adopted: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91, Revised: 1/10/92, 4/14/03)

17.02.11.1 Sunday
Sundays are excluded from the counting. (Adopted: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91)

17.02.11.2 Week
The "week" of the first scheduled intercollegiate contest is defined as the six days, excluding Sunday, preceding the date of competition (even if one or more of the days fall into different traditional calendar weeks). (Adopted: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91)

17.02.11.3 Opening Day of Classes
The "opening day of classes" is defined as the first day of classes as listed in the member institution’s official catalog. Required freshman orientation is not considered to be the opening day of classes for the academic year. (Adopted: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91)

17.02.11.4 First Day of Practice
The first day of practice may be conducted on the day when the last practice unit occurs, which is determined by counting backward from the day of the first permissible regularly scheduled contest. For example, in football or women’s volleyball, practice may be held on the day that the 29th practice unit actually


Regarding the number of hours per week, Section 17.1 provides additional details.

17.1.5.1 Daily and Weekly Hour Limitations-Playing Season
A student-athlete’s participation in countable athletically related activities (see Bylaw 17.02.1) shall be limited to a maximum of four hours per day and 20 hours per week. (Adopted: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91)

17.1.5.2 Weekly Hour Limitations -- Outside of Playing Season
(Adopted: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91, Revised: 1/10/95 effective 8/1/95, 1/14/97, 118/1/00, 10/31/02 effective 8/1/03, 3/10/04)
(a) Sports other than Division I-A and I-AA football. Outside of the playing season during the academic year, only a student-athlete's participation in required weight-training, conditioning and individual skill instruction requested by the student-athlete shall be permitted. A student-athlete's participation in such activities per Bylaw 17.02.1 shall be limited to a maximum of eight hours per week, of which not more than two hours per week may be spent on individual skill workouts.

17.1.5.2.1 Institutional Vacation Period and Summer
A student-athlete may not participate in any countable athletically related activities outside the playing season during any institutional vacation period and/or summer. Certified strength and conditioning coaches, including countable coaches, may design and conduct specific workout programs for student-athletes, provided such workouts are voluntary and conducted at the request of the student-athlete. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/03; Revised: 4/29/04)

17.1.5.5.1 No Class Time Missed for Practice Activities
No class time shall be missed for practice activities except when a team is traveling to an away-from-home contest and the practice is in conjunction with the contest.

17.1.5.5.1.1 Exception - Championship Practice
At any conference or NCAA championship, student-athletes from the team representing the host institution shall be permitted to miss class time to attend practice activities conducted the day before the competition.

17.1.5.5.2 Preseason Off-Campus Intrasquad Games and Practice Activities Prohibition
Preseason off-campus intrasquad games and preseason publicized off-campus practice activities conducted at a site not normally used by the institution for practice shall be prohibited in all sports.


This is only a sampling of the rather complex rules involving in-season and out-of-season scheduling and practices.

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#408007 - 07/28/10 03:52 PM Re: Collegiate Soccer Life : Experience After Commitment [Re: BoardLord]
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as usuall thanks for all the helpful information. The uncertainty of my daughter does not come from her soccer ability it comes from the intense heat and humitity that is in the south for such a long period of time. She has played at a high level for many years so skill is not in question and we would be moving south as well so family will be there to support her. She wants to be sure that the heat wont get to her or that appropriate breaks during training will be given before she makes that final decision and up root the whole family. Her degree choice is also a major decision as well so there are more then one factors to concider, but as a die hard soccer player, she wants to play soccer so ......

the question about when are the games played I ment what time of day?

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#408022 - 07/28/10 07:57 PM Re: Collegiate Soccer Life : Experience After Commitment [Re: Anonymous]
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the question about when are the games played I ment what time of day?
As a freshman, if the coach says "you're in" (which might not happen often), it will not matter whether the call comes at 4:00am or 4:00pm - you play ... and as a freshman, you play your tush off. Games times depend on the school and conference.

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#410826 - 09/01/10 06:51 PM Re: Collegiate Soccer Life : Experience After Commitment [Re: BoardLord]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
I have a question of concern as my child enters the college search - how is it to play soccer in the southern states with the heat? Does anyone know ??
Excellent question and one that those of us in the Northeast United States tend to take for granted. BOTN Industries is familiar with several women's players who last season were in the mid-Atlantic region (Delaware to Virginia) for their first collegiate camps. If you recall the beginning of August last year, temperatures in this region were 100 degrees for the first ten days of camp (similar to what our region is experiencing right now). Each player lost between seven and twelve pounds during those first two weeks. Now, if you are starting with 110-130 pound players, start thinking about losing up to 10% of body mass and trying to play at the same level and more with older players.

The first rule of thumb is to get on top of your athletic packet and make sure that you get into training camp ready to play. BOTN Industries does not believe that freshman players really understand the import of this. (Sophomore players always seem to be better aware of the need to beat the requirements.)

Second rule of thumb is nutrition and hydration. Staying healthy, including nine to ten hours of sleep in the early days away from home, cannot be sufficiently emphasized. A sick freshman student during training camp is a one way ticket to the bench.

Third rule of thumb is communication and ultimately common sense. Coaches will press players but players also need to constantly communicate to their coach about their bodies and what they are feeling. We often talk on the college board about communicating with your coach and being comfortable. Complaining about being tired is one thing. Complaining about nausea is a secondary point. Calling out light headedness or a dizzy spell takes this to a third level. Hopefully, you see the point. A good coaching staff recognizes the weather impact on their players and will adjust accordingly.

This all said, you should expect your son or daughter to be drilling 90 minutes in 90+ degree weather during August training camps. It comes with the territory. Temperatures in the 70s in October (while it is 50s in the North) comes with its price.

Thanks very much for the question.


My child plays in FL. It is brutally hot. They get weighed before and after training and games to see if they've lost too much water; if so, they have to sit out the next training session. Games do not get called because of heat either, and there are no extra water breaks like we get up here once the temps hit a certain level.

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#410828 - 09/01/10 06:53 PM Re: Collegiate Soccer Life : Experience After Commitment [Re: Anonymous]
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as usuall thanks for all the helpful information. The uncertainty of my daughter does not come from her soccer ability it comes from the intense heat and humitity that is in the south for such a long period of time. She has played at a high level for many years so skill is not in question and we would be moving south as well so family will be there to support her. She wants to be sure that the heat wont get to her or that appropriate breaks during training will be given before she makes that final decision and up root the whole family. Her degree choice is also a major decision as well so there are more then one factors to concider, but as a die hard soccer player, she wants to play soccer so ......

the question about when are the games played I ment what time of day?


My daughter plays in FL. Games are any time, some in the evening and some midday when even spectators get heat headaches (that would be me). Pre-season practices were early morning and early evening but that changes once classes start.

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#410831 - 09/01/10 07:40 PM Re: Collegiate Soccer Life : Experience After Commitment [Re: Powderfinger]
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I can add to this. Scheduling also depends on what type of facilities are available and who is using them. If the school has one field for multiple sports, then everyone is fighting the time and space issue. If that school has a football team, I bet you can guess who takes precedent. At some schools, soccer doesn't always rank high on the totem pole where there are multiple athletic team offerings.

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#410953 - 09/03/10 07:53 AM Re: Collegiate Soccer Life : Experience After Commitment [Re: NYYellowCard]
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another question to the training question - how intense are the different levels? We know they train for 2 hrs in the AM and 2 hrs in the PM give or take. As my daughter enters her Jr year and is in her college search she is trying to decide what level she should consider. We are hearing all different things about the intensity of the training such as a DII expects their players to be able to run 2 miles in under 14 min. I would expect each school to have their own individual expectations, but can anyone give a general idea of what to look forward to at the different Divisions!!! She is currently considering DII and can certainly do 2 miles in 14 min, but if they kill the girls the way the HS's do they make the kids hate soccer - why oh why must they do that to them????

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#411043 - 09/03/10 11:49 PM Re: Collegiate Soccer Life : Experience After Commitment [Re: Anonymous]
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another question to the training question - how intense are the different levels? We know they train for 2 hrs in the AM and 2 hrs in the PM give or take. As my daughter enters her Jr year and is in her college search she is trying to decide what level she should consider. We are hearing all different things about the intensity of the training such as a DII expects their players to be able to run 2 miles in under 14 min. I would expect each school to have their own individual expectations, but can anyone give a general idea of what to look forward to at the different Divisions!!! She is currently considering DII and can certainly do 2 miles in 14 min, but if they kill the girls the way the HS's do they make the kids hate soccer - why oh why must they do that to them????
Before starting a discussion about NCAA Divisions, be sure that you already have a listing of the top ten academic and athletic options which your family and daughter will pursue. Armed with that entry information that we have often discussed here on the College Board, you might find that some of the NCAA Division decisions are made for you based on majors and the academic caliber of the universities chosen.

The intensity of training is often dictated by the college coach's own program and the league in which the team plays. You can expect that NCAA Division I teams playing in the most competitive leagues in terms of post-season placements will be the most demanding overall. The surest way to gain some concrete information about conditioning would be to have a conversation with the target college coach about the preseason athletic conditioning package received by incoming freshmen. You can expect that the conditioning required before entering the college preseason camp at any Division I program will far exceed anything your daughter has experienced at the scholastic or premier levels.

Included here for your convenience is a sample conditioning pack for a women's soccer halfback. While there are simpler packets provided directly by coaches to players, this example might help you gain some insight into the conditioning being sought.

Women's Soccer - Halfback Conditioning Package

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