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#372069 - 09/15/09 09:34 AM LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away?
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LIJSL has reportedly filed what appears to be a frivolous grievance with USSF against ENYYSA in an attempt to take control of the State Association. It seems that since LIJSL president, Addie Mattei, did not get her agenda passed at the Annual ENYYSA AGM, she has filed a grievance with the USSF.

Folks in the know say there is no way the USSF will find merits in her grievance. LIJSL with the support of East Hudson, Staten Island, and the CJSL want to bar and new members from entering the State Association. This foolish move seems to go way beyond soccer and seeks to change some very basic legal and business principles in this country.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Addie and her new boy-toy Burt Wilkes, of the CJSL try and move ENYYSA to a Third World Dictatorship smile

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#372081 - 09/15/09 11:03 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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BOTN has received information that the USSF has informed the LIJSL Board of Dictators that their grievance has been DENIED.

More to come this week as the Executive Bunch continue to flounder and continue to distance themselves from the ENYYSA.

The nucleus of Addie's/LIJSL issue is the rapidly growing success of JSS. Candidly, Addie/LIJSl is trying to stop this new successful league from any further growth, and it is having just the opposite effect.

I will publish more information when appropriate as there is a swirl of activity going on behind the scenes.

I would also make note and issue caution to the clubs of the CJSL. While I can not publish now what I know, any CJSL Club president who wants to know what their President, Burt Wilkes has been saying can call me for an eye-opening conversation.

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#372084 - 09/15/09 11:16 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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What does this mean for their Academy clubs (LIFC) that they started? Will they be able to continue?

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#372089 - 09/15/09 11:29 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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ALarry where is info available for the pre premier group,
Anfield, FCW, Mass, etc.....

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#372092 - 09/15/09 11:50 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Anonymous]
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What does this mean for their Academy clubs (LIFC) that they started? Will they be able to continue?


Nothing will happen to them....the league will continue and so will their LIFC if parents decide to continue with the program as opposed to some neat alternatives that will be announced within a week or so, but LIJSL is losing registrations and more are expected, while their member clubs appear to be losing confidence in the league.

I think it will become clearer in a day or so for the first boot to fall, and within a very short while for the second boot to fall.

I should point out that since we are talking about a pussy....cat, and not a person, look for four boots to fall cool

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#372093 - 09/15/09 11:54 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Anonymous]
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ALarry where is info available for the pre premier group,
Anfield, FCW, Mass, etc.....


Yes, the info can be found at www.itisupaddiesass.com and I refuse to go to that site to get the info grin

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#372110 - 09/15/09 01:58 PM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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very nice.

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#372125 - 09/15/09 03:53 PM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
LIJSL has reportedly filed what appears to be a frivolous grievance with USSF against ENYYSA in an attempt to take control of the State Association. It seems that since LIJSL president, Addie Mattei, did not get her agenda passed at the Annual ENYYSA AGM, she has filed a grievance with the USSF.

Folks in the know say there is no way the USSF will find merits in her grievance. LIJSL with the support of East Hudson, Staten Island, and the CJSL want to bar and new members from entering the State Association. This foolish move seems to go way beyond soccer and seeks to change some very basic legal and business principles in this country.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Addie and her new boy-toy Burt Wilkes, of the CJSL try and move ENYYSA to a Third World Dictatorship smile


Do you have a copy of that letter? Ussf needs to dismiss Addie and appoint someone who really cares about the kids, soccer and the growth of soccer in America.
How did she get that job in the first place?

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#372128 - 09/15/09 04:05 PM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Anonymous]
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LIJSL has reportedly filed what appears to be a frivolous grievance with USSF against ENYYSA in an attempt to take control of the State Association. It seems that since LIJSL president, Addie Mattei, did not get her agenda passed at the Annual ENYYSA AGM, she has filed a grievance with the USSF.

Folks in the know say there is no way the USSF will find merits in her grievance. LIJSL with the support of East Hudson, Staten Island, and the CJSL want to bar and new members from entering the State Association. This foolish move seems to go way beyond soccer and seeks to change some very basic legal and business principles in this country.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Addie and her new boy-toy Burt Wilkes, of the CJSL try and move ENYYSA to a Third World Dictatorship smile


Do you have a copy of that letter? Ussf needs to dismiss Addie and appoint someone who really cares about the kids, soccer and the growth of soccer in America.
How did she get that job in the first place?


There does not seem to be any mechanism to remove her from her position....Actually the entire board needs to go...but if they did then the market place would not adjust properly. There is too much negativity surrounding her, Bill Peet, Joan Czach, and the rest right now....I like the idea of letting this play out over the coming weeks.

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#372144 - 09/15/09 07:13 PM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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this is just a question with no intent to stir up suspicions, i am just curious. does anyone know why lisjl moved its headquarters all the way out east on long island, and why they chose that piece of real estate.

701-9 Koehler Avenue
Ronkonkoma, New York 11779

who owned the land or the building before lijsl decided to buy/or lease/or build on it? basically can anyone help me follow the money? who profited from lijsl moving to that spot? because now that they are so far away from 2/3 of the clubs it makes it harder for them to maintain control over long island soccer. there's got to be a hidden money reason for them to move so far out east. or am I barking up the wrong tree. did someone have a hidden personal or familiy or business ownership in the real estate.

i mean if you want to keep Albuttsun and new hyde park and great neck and franklin square why are you going to make them drive twice as far.

say i'm in lawrence or east rockaway. it used to take me an hour round trip give or take to get to plainview. now it takes me 2 hours round trip to replace a lost player pass.





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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
LIJSL has reportedly filed what appears to be a frivolous grievance with USSF against ENYYSA in an attempt to take control of the State Association. It seems that since LIJSL president, Addie Mattei, did not get her agenda passed at the Annual ENYYSA AGM, she has filed a grievance with the USSF.

Folks in the know say there is no way the USSF will find merits in her grievance. LIJSL with the support of East Hudson, Staten Island, and the CJSL want to bar and new members from entering the State Association. This foolish move seems to go way beyond soccer and seeks to change some very basic legal and business principles in this country.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Addie and her new boy-toy Burt Wilkes, of the CJSL try and move ENYYSA to a Third World Dictatorship smile


Do you have a copy of that letter? Ussf needs to dismiss Addie and appoint someone who really cares about the kids, soccer and the growth of soccer in America.
How did she get that job in the first place?


There does not seem to be any mechanism to remove her from her position....Actually the entire board needs to go...but if they did then the market place would not adjust properly. There is too much negativity surrounding her, Bill Peet, Joan Czach, and the rest right now....I like the idea of letting this play out over the coming weeks.

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#372153 - 09/15/09 09:08 PM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Anonymous]
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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
this is just a question with no intent to stir up suspicions, i am just curious. does anyone know why lisjl moved its headquarters all the way out east on long island, and why they chose that piece of real estate.

701-9 Koehler Avenue
Ronkonkoma, New York 11779

who owned the land or the building before lijsl decided to buy/or lease/or build on it? basically can anyone help me follow the money? who profited from lijsl moving to that spot? because now that they are so far away from 2/3 of the clubs it makes it harder for them to maintain control over long island soccer. there's got to be a hidden money reason for them to move so far out east. or am I barking up the wrong tree. did someone have a hidden personal or familiy or business ownership in the real estate.

i mean if you want to keep Albuttsun and new hyde park and great neck and franklin square why are you going to make them drive twice as far.

say i'm in lawrence or east rockaway. it used to take me an hour round trip give or take to get to plainview. now it takes me 2 hours round trip to replace a lost player pass.





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Originally Posted By: Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
LIJSL has reportedly filed what appears to be a frivolous grievance with USSF against ENYYSA in an attempt to take control of the State Association. It seems that since LIJSL president, Addie Mattei, did not get her agenda passed at the Annual ENYYSA AGM, she has filed a grievance with the USSF.

Folks in the know say there is no way the USSF will find merits in her grievance. LIJSL with the support of East Hudson, Staten Island, and the CJSL want to bar and new members from entering the State Association. This foolish move seems to go way beyond soccer and seeks to change some very basic legal and business principles in this country.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Addie and her new boy-toy Burt Wilkes, of the CJSL try and move ENYYSA to a Third World Dictatorship smile


Do you have a copy of that letter? Ussf needs to dismiss Addie and appoint someone who really cares about the kids, soccer and the growth of soccer in America.
How did she get that job in the first place?


There does not seem to be any mechanism to remove her from her position....Actually the entire board needs to go...but if they did then the market place would not adjust properly. There is too much negativity surrounding her, Bill Peet, Joan Czach, and the rest right now....I like the idea of letting this play out over the coming weeks.


Do the math from the east end and you'll find that a club out there has just as long a drive to that office as those in the clubs you mention. It ain't all about those clubs.

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#372179 - 09/16/09 08:35 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Anonymous]
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using Bill Peet as an example of the board, why is he still involved. they need younger people who have a sense of what is going on with youth soccer in general. peet must be 80+ - what can he contribute to LI soccer? That is why it is so hard for LI soccer to move forward and we are being run out of town by teams from other regions

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#372183 - 09/16/09 08:42 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Anonymous]
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using Bill Peet as an example of the board, why is he still involved. they need younger people who have a sense of what is going on with youth soccer in general. peet must be 80+ - what can he contribute to LI soccer? That is why it is so hard for LI soccer to move forward and we are being run out of town by teams from other regions


Did it ever occur to any of you that MAYBE the OFGs (Old Fat Guys) and the WOL (Wrinkled Old Ladies) are there for the money?

Has anyone really gone over the reimbursements, cancelled checks, the detailed statements from the Hilton, their retreats, etc....

In my opinion, they are not there for soccer, but for the amenities you generous parents finance. In my opinion, I think they have their hands in the till.

Let me ask you a question;

The LIJSL shows cash in the neighborhood of $3,000,000. What the [****] are they doing with that money? They still charge for everything they do, $100 to transfer a player, they charge and almost force you to play the Waldbaum's, they charge for ODP, etc.... and I ask why? It seems to me all these programs should be self-funded, unless the LIJSL Board of Dictators have other plans for the money that don't include the kids? What do you think?

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#372190 - 09/16/09 09:13 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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Larry, has there ever been an official government audit of it's books? This might shed some light and bring it all out for the public to see.

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#372196 - 09/16/09 09:49 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: SoccerSince72]
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Larry, has there ever been an official government audit of it's books? This might shed some light and bring it all out for the public to see.


They have an accounting firm...so what? They are entitled to be reimbursed, to go to business events, create business evemts (at the Hilton), and they can continue to keep fining and charging...but does that make it in the best interest of their customers and clubs?

I don't think so. I think they are an isolated group, very incestuous, insulated, and have gone unchallenged by the soccer community with the exception of me....that is until now.

Addie with her big trailer park trashy mouthy threatened Gary Grossman. That was not very smart. Gary is educated, bright, runs a business with over 100 employees, and he is not some jerk off the street who has any intention of kissing up to Addie. In fact, Addie has become consumed with Gary and JSS and the fun has just begun...JSS and Gary Grossman WILL change soccer for the better on Long island and New York State and you won't have to wait months or years to find out what JSS is up to....any day now, any day now..., but what do I know, a guy with a "rouge" website grin

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#372222 - 09/16/09 12:53 PM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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Originally Posted By: Larry Miller
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
using Bill Peet as an example of the board, why is he still involved. they need younger people who have a sense of what is going on with youth soccer in general. peet must be 80+ - what can he contribute to LI soccer? That is why it is so hard for LI soccer to move forward and we are being run out of town by teams from other regions


Did it ever occur to any of you that MAYBE the OFGs (Old Fat Guys) and the WOL (Wrinkled Old Ladies) are there for the money?

Has anyone really gone over the reimbursements, cancelled checks, the detailed statements from the Hilton, their retreats, etc....

In my opinion, they are not there for soccer, but for the amenities you generous parents finance. In my opinion, I think they have their hands in the till.

Let me ask you a question;

The LIJSL shows cash in the neighborhood of $3,000,000. What the [****] are they doing with that money? They still charge for everything they do, $100 to transfer a player, they charge and almost force you to play the Waldbaum's, they charge for ODP, etc.... and I ask why? It seems to me all these programs should be self-funded, unless the LIJSL Board of Dictators have other plans for the money that don't include the kids? What do you think?


We know at least $70,000 went to the LI United teams in the last 12 months alone. That is huge amount of money for just 5 or 6 teams. The parents in it may promote the merits of it, but the truth is, they are not picking up the bulk of the tab, we are. This program was the beginning of the end for LIJSL in my opinion. The poaching and unsettling of players, taking spots in divisions that were not earned, taking money out of the pockets of parents nothing to do with their program, and now they are reaping what they have sowed, i.e the birth of JSS. More clubs will make the leap of faith in the coming years and LIJSL will only have themselves to blame.

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#372785 - 09/23/09 08:46 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Anonymous]
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Larry, I am not 100% sure how this works, but let's say my team and parents are sick of LIJ and want a change. Let's say we want to enter into JSS. Are we able to do that on our own? What if our Club says "if you are wearing the name of our town on your jersey, you must register with LIJ". What if clubs block their own teams from going? Getting confidence in JSS is one thing, but letting teams go there with clubs tied up or "obligated" to LIJ may cause a problem. Especially since my club has multiple LIJ employees in our organization (of course not in print since that is conflict of interest, but they run things).

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#372794 - 09/23/09 09:39 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Anonymous]
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Larry, I am not 100% sure how this works, but let's say my team and parents are sick of LIJ and want a change. Let's say we want to enter into JSS. Are we able to do that on our own? What if our Club says "if you are wearing the name of our town on your jersey, you must register with LIJ". What if clubs block their own teams from going? Getting confidence in JSS is one thing, but letting teams go there with clubs tied up or "obligated" to LIJ may cause a problem. Especially since my club has multiple LIJ employees in our organization (of course not in print since that is conflict of interest, but they run things).


Legally, your club can not block what leagues your team chooses to affiliate with. My guess is that you will not get any resistance. That said, it may be within the 45 days that your club may want to register with the USYSA version of JSS. There is a lot going on behind the scenes right now...and I believe that major changes are taking place and will continue to take place. LIJSL is a wounded animal and the vultures are circling their prey as I write this.

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#372804 - 09/23/09 11:00 AM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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Legally they can. A club can choose who they will be affiliated with - USYSA, US Club, SAY, etc. A club can choose to be affilated with only 1 sanctioning body. Individual teams within a club cannot make that choice.

A team, however, can choose to move to another club that allows dual carding.

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#372819 - 09/23/09 12:44 PM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Anonymous]
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Legally they can. A club can choose who they will be affiliated with - USYSA, US Club, SAY, etc. A club can choose to be affilated with only 1 sanctioning body. Individual teams within a club cannot make that choice.

A team, however, can choose to move to another club that allows dual carding.


Your post is TOTALLY wrong. A club, a league, or a team can choose to be affiliated with any or all 4 of the sanctioning bodies.

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#372824 - 09/23/09 01:23 PM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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"dual carding" means more than one club. A club can be affliated with all 4 if they wish. But the if only 1, that is whom the team is affilated with as teams ahve no authority to choose whom they will be affiliated with. Teams affiliate wth a club. The club affiliates with the governing bodies.

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#372827 - 09/23/09 01:39 PM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Anonymous]
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"dual carding" means more than one club. A club can be affliated with all 4 if they wish. But the if only 1, that is whom the team is affilated with as teams ahve no authority to choose whom they will be affiliated with. Teams affiliate wth a club. The club affiliates with the governing bodies.


No, that is not true. case in point...teams that play for a club that also play MAPS. The DHT play in the State Cup (USYSA) and play in various USCS events. It has nothing to do with the Dix Hills Club. If you have been told otherwise or you think otherwise, you are 100% WRONG.

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#373078 - 09/25/09 12:27 PM Re: LIJSL a League Out of Control as Market Share is Slipping Away? [Re: Larry Miller]
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many people on this board have probably been through much more in soccer that i have been years alive, but will there ever be a league that is created that rivals LIJ and will have the amount of teams and competition that LIJ has now? i know the beginning of a few are starting up, but how long do you think it would take to get another LIJ type league and not have it be LIJ? for example, you had cablevision (LIJ). Then you had new places (Direct TV, Verizon) that are rivals. It took time but they are now rising as alternatives with similar services. Just looking to see when our Direct TV or Verizon will be able to rise up and compete with Cablevision (LIJ)

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